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Just in ... Asia Cup is cancelled, says Ganguly
Asia cup is cancelled, surprisingly this news didn't came from the ACC (Asian cricket council) but Sourav Ganguly during Instagram chat. ACC's meeting is tomorrow (9th July)  


About WC and IPL

"It's difficult to say which will be India's first international series. We've done our preparations but we can't do much till we know the government rules. We are not in a hurry because the health of players is of the utmost importance. We are monitoring things monthly," added Ganguly.

Ganguly also reiterated the BCCI's stance that the IPL can happen after a decision is announced by the ICC on the fate of the World T20.

"(If the T20 World Cup gets cancelled) then we will try everything to stage the IPL. It is very important for Indian cricket. We will try to host it in India," said Ganguly.

"The cancellation of T20 World Cup will happen soon because all countries are asking for a direction from ICC. We'll know by mid-July. My gut-feeling is saying it's tough."

CA chairman Earl Eddings has already clarified the ICC T20 World Cup was "unlikely" and "unrealistic". "It's a bit of a moving feast at the moment. I'd say it's unlikely, while it hasn't been formally called off this year or postponed, trying to get 16 countries into Australia in the current world where most countries are still going through Covid-19 spiking is very, very difficult," he had said.

However, the International Cricket Council had deferred a decision for one more month and will meet on July 17 to decide the fate of the tournament. "The ICC is trying their best to stage the T20 World Cup because that brings in a lot of revenue," said Ganguly. "We don't have a window for IPL yet because we have to play in Australia in December. That's FTP and we can't change that. Australia is one country where, apart from Melbourne, things are returning to norm

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This is the problem with the Indian cricket team. Personal achievements are always given preference over the team achievements. Look at the Australian team. They would never do something like this. And that's why they have won more ICC tournaments, when compared to the Indians. Mahendra Singh Dhoni is a legend. If he is in form, then he'll find a slot in the playing XI. If that is not the case, then he should sit out.

No idea about the exclusion of Mahendra Singh Dhoni just because he is out of form and there is another exceptional talent replacing him, i have not seen either and hence what is the debate here, the replacement wicket keeper has dropped many catches in a single tournament than what Dhoni might have dropped in his entire career .
Glenn McGrath got his farewell and so does Justin Langer and Shane Warne, coming to New Zealand Brendon McCullum got a farewell match and even the Australian players gave him the guard of honor if you want more, Alastair Cook when he announced his retirement got a grand farewell and the Indian team gave him a guard of honor and there are many more and i consider MSD as the best player from India and he deserves that kind of farewell rather than ignoring him.

Dhoni is now 39 years old. You know that within a few years he will retire. so, BCCI needed a good captain and wicket keeper, it is mandatory. I think they already have been found a better alternative of Dhoni as a captain. Virat Kohli is great as a captain. so now they need a legend wicket keeper.  BCCI can try someone new to pick a better wicket keeper.

[akram143]

Just in ... Asia Cup is cancelled, says Ganguly
Asia cup is cancelled, surprisingly this news didn't came from the ACC (Asian cricket council) but Sourav Ganguly during Instagram chat. ACC's meeting is tomorrow (9th July)  

Its not a wonder because India is sitting at the top 3 in the world in number of corona cases and there is a research from experts says India will face the worse situation of corona in 2021 if vaccine is not found at that time everyday there will be 2.97 new active corona cases will be recorded.

[pakhitheboss]

Just in ... Asia Cup is cancelled, says Ganguly
Asia cup is cancelled, surprisingly this news didn't came from the ACC (Asian cricket council) but Sourav Ganguly during Instagram chat. ACC's meeting is tomorrow (9th July)  

Its not a wonder because India is sitting at the top 3 in the world in number of corona cases and there is a research from experts says India will face the worse situation of corona in 2021 if vaccine is not found at that time everyday there will be 2.97 new active corona cases will be recorded.

That is correct as the second most populated country in the world India will be the worst hit by this virus. They do not have the infrastructure to support such a large population and most states are breaking the daily covid19 reporting records. Good news is that a vaccine has completed the first level of trial and the government agencies are trying to get it released by next month.

I am not sure how they will do it but hopefully by the end of this year they should have a vaccine.

[JSRAW]

Just in ... Asia Cup is cancelled, says Ganguly
Asia cup is cancelled, surprisingly this news didn't came from the ACC (Asian cricket council) but Sourav Ganguly during Instagram chat. ACC's meeting is tomorrow (9th July)  

Its not a wonder because India is sitting at the top 3 in the world in number of corona cases and there is a research from experts says India will face the worse situation of corona in 2021 if vaccine is not found at that time everyday there will be 2.97 new active corona cases will be recorded.

You are right about cases in India but context is different because India didn't had hosting rights for Asia Cup.

Pakistan has a hosting rights for 2020 season and it was supposed to take place in Pakistan but BCCI declined to Pakistan due to obvious reasons and agreed to participate only if there is a neutral location, PCB knew that already so it was mutually decided that UAE will host the tournament.

But covid-19 changed the scenario and WC is about to cancel anytime now (according to ICC + CA). BCCI eyeing on every opportunity to start IPL 2020 so it was obvious choice for them to lobbying and influence the verdict on Asia Cup.  

PS : UAE is also front runner to host IPL 2020.

[akram143]

Just in ... Asia Cup is cancelled, says Ganguly
Asia cup is cancelled, surprisingly this news didn't came from the ACC (Asian cricket council) but Sourav Ganguly during Instagram chat. ACC's meeting is tomorrow (9th July)  

Its not a wonder because India is sitting at the top 3 in the world in number of corona cases and there is a research from experts says India will face the worse situation of corona in 2021 if vaccine is not found at that time everyday there will be 2.97 new active corona cases will be recorded.

You are right about cases in India but context is different because India didn't had hosting rights for Asia Cup.

Pakistan has a hosting rights for 2020 season and it was supposed to take place in Pakistan but BCCI declined to Pakistan due to obvious reasons and agreed to participate only if there is a neutral location, PCB knew that already so it was mutually decided that UAE will host the tournament.

But covid-19 changed the scenario and WC is about to cancel anytime now (according to ICC + CA). BCCI eyeing on every opportunity to start IPL 2020 so it was obvious choice for them to lobbying and influence the verdict on Asia Cup.  

PS : UAE is also front runner to host IPL 2020.

UAE also got decent amount of corona cases but they are good at controlling by giving good regulations but still Do you believe that it is possible to host IPL 2020 successfully?

Honestly I already lost the hope of watching IPL for this year, now the whole country is afraid of covid 19 effect in the near future.

[UmerIdrees]

Just in ... Asia Cup is cancelled, says Ganguly
Asia cup is cancelled, surprisingly this news didn't came from the ACC (Asian cricket council) but Sourav Ganguly during Instagram chat. ACC's meeting is tomorrow (9th July)  

This is really sad to know that finally Asia cup is cancelled and now it will be held in 2022 in Pakistan. All this is being done to make the IPL possible as Asia cup schedule was conflicting with the IPL. If Asia Cup 2020 postponed due to Covid-19, there should be no way PSL or IPL could take place at the same time.

[JSRAW]

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UAE also got decent amount of corona cases but they are good at controlling by giving good regulations but still Do you believe that it is possible to host IPL 2020 successfully?

Honestly I already lost the hope of watching IPL for this year, now the whole country is afraid of covid 19 effect in the near future.

Yeah, 99% chances (Without spectators; question is where?). I have mentioned numerous times that IPL is first priority for BCCI because its their lifeline. They don't have any other choice, so only 1% chance of cancellation. The way i see it, BCCI waiting for official confirmation from the ICC in regards of T-20 World Cup cancellation. Once they cancel WC, then we can expect some quick action from the BCCI.

I might be dead wrong on my calculation when giving % number in favor of IPL/BCCI here but that's make sense to me right now when i look at the big picture.

Just in ... Asia Cup is cancelled, says Ganguly
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This is really sad to know that finally Asia cup is cancelled and now it will be held in 2022 in Pakistan. All this is being done to make the IPL possible as Asia cup schedule was conflicting with the IPL. If Asia Cup 2020 postponed due to Covid-19, there should be no way PSL or IPL could take place at the same time.

Yeah, No Asia cup this year. saw some confirmed news of cancellation as well, now they are looking at 2021 Asia cup in Sri lanka. We could argue if its ethical or not but fact is everything comes down at revenue so its shouldn't be that surprising.

[pakhitheboss]

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UAE also got decent amount of corona cases but they are good at controlling by giving good regulations but still Do you believe that it is possible to host IPL 2020 successfully?

Honestly I already lost the hope of watching IPL for this year, now the whole country is afraid of covid 19 effect in the near future.

Yeah, 99% chances (Without spectators; question is where?). I have mentioned numerous times that IPL is first priority for BCCI because its their lifeline. They don't have any other choice, so only 1% chance of cancellation. The way i see it, BCCI waiting for official confirmation from the ICC in regards of T-20 World Cup cancellation. Once they cancel WC, then we can expect some quick action from the BCCI.

I might be dead wrong on my calculation when giving % number in favor of IPL/BCCI here but that's make sense to me right now when i look at the big picture.

Just in ... Asia Cup is cancelled, says Ganguly
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This is really sad to know that finally Asia cup is cancelled and now it will be held in 2022 in Pakistan. All this is being done to make the IPL possible as Asia cup schedule was conflicting with the IPL. If Asia Cup 2020 postponed due to Covid-19, there should be no way PSL or IPL could take place at the same time.

Yeah, No Asia cup this year. saw some confirmed news of cancellation as well, now they are looking at 2021 Asia cup in Sri lanka. We could argue if its ethical or not but fact is everything comes down at revenue so its shouldn't be that surprising.

2020 is the worst year for sports almost all tournaments are either getting canceled or getting postponed. Already six months have passed in this dreadful year and every day you only are hearing is bad news. I am skeptical, whether it will be possible to conduct Asia cup in 2021 if the pandemic situation is not controlled by that time.

[teosanru]

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UAE also got decent amount of corona cases but they are good at controlling by giving good regulations but still Do you believe that it is possible to host IPL 2020 successfully?

Honestly I already lost the hope of watching IPL for this year, now the whole country is afraid of covid 19 effect in the near future.

Yeah, 99% chances (Without spectators; question is where?). I have mentioned numerous times that IPL is first priority for BCCI because its their lifeline. They don't have any other choice, so only 1% chance of cancellation. The way i see it, BCCI waiting for official confirmation from the ICC in regards of T-20 World Cup cancellation. Once they cancel WC, then we can expect some quick action from the BCCI.

I might be dead wrong on my calculation when giving % number in favor of IPL/BCCI here but that's make sense to me right now when i look at the big picture.

I think the sole problem isn't spectator but the teams and support staff too. We have 8 teams with roaster of 20 players each and followed by support staff and few managers from franchises. Even if they decide to keep it in just one city like Mumbai. Still accommodating so many players within a city can be cumbersome. And not to forget that foreign players would have to undergo a long quarantine. I think all the players would be kept in complete isolation for complete series. So all this doesn't makes sense as per current protocols. But yes it's thousands of crores at stake. I won't be surprised if BCCI gets ready to fight with Government too on this issue.

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UAE also got decent amount of corona cases but they are good at controlling by giving good regulations but still Do you believe that it is possible to host IPL 2020 successfully?

Honestly I already lost the hope of watching IPL for this year, now the whole country is afraid of covid 19 effect in the near future.

Yeah, 99% chances (Without spectators; question is where?). I have mentioned numerous times that IPL is first priority for BCCI because its their lifeline. They don't have any other choice, so only 1% chance of cancellation. The way i see it, BCCI waiting for official confirmation from the ICC in regards of T-20 World Cup cancellation. Once they cancel WC, then we can expect some quick action from the BCCI.

I might be dead wrong on my calculation when giving % number in favor of IPL/BCCI here but that's make sense to me right now when i look at the big picture.

Just in ... Asia Cup is cancelled, says Ganguly
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This is really sad to know that finally Asia cup is cancelled and now it will be held in 2022 in Pakistan. All this is being done to make the IPL possible as Asia cup schedule was conflicting with the IPL. If Asia Cup 2020 postponed due to Covid-19, there should be no way PSL or IPL could take place at the same time.

Yeah, No Asia cup this year. saw some confirmed news of cancellation as well, now they are looking at 2021 Asia cup in Sri lanka. We could argue if its ethical or not but fact is everything comes down at revenue so its shouldn't be that surprising.

2020 is the worst year for sports almost all tournaments are either getting canceled or getting postponed. Already six months have passed in this dreadful year and every day you only are hearing is bad news. I am skeptical, whether it will be possible to conduct Asia cup in 2021 if the pandemic situation is not controlled by that time.

haha don't forget the Olympics. That's the biggest thing that has faced a cancellation this year. I feel pity for these people as they actually do a very long training to participate in this tournament.

[Vishnu.Reang]

I can't control my laughter after seeing BCCI trying so hard to have an IPL this year. The BCCI came up with the IPL, only because they wanted to destroy the Indian Cricket League (ICL). If the Zee Entertainment Enterprises had not came up with the ICL, then the BCCI would have never considered to launch a franchise league of their own. Now the IPL has grown bigger than any other cricket tournament.

[teosanru]

I can't control my laughter after seeing BCCI trying so hard to have an IPL this year. The BCCI came up with the IPL, only because they wanted to destroy the Indian Cricket League (ICL). If the Zee Entertainment Enterprises had not came up with the ICL, then the BCCI would have never considered to launch a franchise league of their own. Now the IPL has grown bigger than any other cricket tournament.

I don't think it's 100% true. I mean yes BCCI might have got some inspiration from ICL but saying that there would have been no IPL if no ICL that is wrong. Cricket took this franchise based league idea actually from football. They could never do this earlier because of 50 over format, but introduction of twenty over game made this idea a reality. But yes that being said BCCI are trying their best to ensure this revenue comes to their pocket this year. Who knows they decide to do two IPLs next year. IPLs are even more profiteer than World Cup. LOL.

[eaLiTy]

The way i see it, BCCI waiting for official confirmation from the ICC in regards of T-20 World Cup cancellation. Once they cancel WC, then we can expect some quick action from the BCCI.
I might be dead wrong on my calculation when giving % number in favor of IPL/BCCI here but that's make sense to me right now when i look at the big picture.

There is a major problem in having a quick turn around even when the ICC cancels the world cup to resume the IPL, the players are at home for months and they need around a month to prepare to get back to peak fitness and match practice to get to international standards. I would like to see transparency from ICC on what they are planning to do and how much money they wanted to risk by conducting the matches during pandemic or take it safely but extending the series.

[Swordsoffreedom]

I can't control my laughter after seeing BCCI trying so hard to have an IPL this year. The BCCI came up with the IPL, only because they wanted to destroy the Indian Cricket League (ICL). If the Zee Entertainment Enterprises had not came up with the ICL, then the BCCI would have never considered to launch a franchise league of their own. Now the IPL has grown bigger than any other cricket tournament.

I don't think it's 100% true. I mean yes BCCI might have got some inspiration from ICL but saying that there would have been no IPL if no ICL that is wrong. Cricket took this franchise based league idea actually from football. They could never do this earlier because of 50 over format, but introduction of twenty over game made this idea a reality. But yes that being said BCCI are trying their best to ensure this revenue comes to their pocket this year. Who knows they decide to do two IPLs next year. IPLs are even more profiteer than World Cup. LOL.

Well said brother. I'm agreed with you. I think BCCI is trying hard to organizing an IPL in this year only for revenue. You know that BCCI earn a rich amount of revenue from IPL sponsors and advertisements. they don't want to lose this handsome amount of money. so, they want to organize IPL in this year hardly. but I don't think that BCCI wants to destroy the Indian cricket league.

[amishmanish]

But yes it's thousands of crores at stake. I won't be surprised if BCCI gets ready to fight with Government too on this issue.

Prodigal son who turns investments 1000s of times is the secretary. Papa is the Home minister. I don't think if they try to go ahead with it, BCCI is gonna need to "fight" the government. Of course, they will make a show out of it so the news channels have something to talk about. For bending public opinion, we have the famed whatsapp army, which btw, is busy making self-goals these days when it comes to pissing off Nepali citizens.

Politics aside, i think they can go ahead with it anytime they want. Its just that most of the "celebrity owners" are probably not on-board considering the conditions in Mumbai and potential loss of investments as the stadiums won't feel. There is the player fees, auction money, advertisement etc that has to be taken care of. IPL runs really close to the entertainment industry and it is in shambles right now.

Everything depends on whether these stakeholders can turn a profit. From the general perception of the Indian public, it can be safely assumed that very few people would like to go out in a crowd of 60,000 in the stadiums. There is no business case for IPL, even if we count the viewing rights.

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Yeah, 99% chances (Without spectators; question is where?). I have mentioned numerous times that IPL is first priority for BCCI because its their lifeline. They don't have any other choice, so only 1% chance of cancellation. The way i see it, BCCI waiting for official confirmation from the ICC in regards of T-20 World Cup cancellation. Once they cancel WC, then we can expect some quick action from the BCCI.

I might be dead wrong on my calculation when giving % number in favor of IPL/BCCI here but that's make sense to me right now when i look at the big picture.

I think the sole problem isn't spectator but the teams and support staff too. We have 8 teams with roaster of 20 players each and followed by support staff and few managers from franchises. Even if they decide to keep it in just one city like Mumbai. Still accommodating so many players within a city can be cumbersome. And not to forget that foreign players would have to undergo a long quarantine. I think all the players would be kept in complete isolation for complete series. So all this doesn't makes sense as per current protocols. But yes it's thousands of crores at stake. I won't be surprised if BCCI gets ready to fight with Government too on this issue.

When $500 Millions at stake then anything is possible all they have to do is invest bit more in logistics and safety of players, which they are already aware of and its very much doable IMO. As far as i know Center gov doesn't have much say in it as they already issued a multiple guideline when they unlocked the lock down (except opening Intl air route, BCCI is capable to hire private jets for personal use) so its all comes down to state gov. BCCI would like to see IPL going ahead in India but their first choice is UAE and UAE seems eager to host IPL season. I would like to see IPL in Sri Lanka as its economical good option but UAE is okay too.

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There is a major problem in having a quick turn around even when the ICC cancels the world cup to resume the IPL, the players are at home for months and they need around a month to prepare to get back to peak fitness and match practice to get to international standards. I would like to see transparency from ICC on what they are planning to do and how much money they wanted to risk by conducting the matches during pandemic or take it safely but extending the series.

Not sure what exactly you meant by transparency... ICC earns from the ICC tournaments mainly ( world cup is about to cancel)
As far as WTC is concern ICC is working on something, Bangladesh board already raised this issue "extending the WTC" and couple of other cricket boards gave green light to this debate so its work in progress.

England and Windies playing against each others, this test series is part of WTC so ICC monitoring it as usual. Pakistan is waiting for their turn and they are already camping in England.

Asia cup cancellation decision came from ACC, ICC doesn't has any say.

[akram143]

^ I don't think BCCI will be looking to host IPL in country like Sri Lanka because they have always security issues due to inside war causes so BCCI will choose UAE if possible. But I am not seeing any news regarding cricket in local media for too long, that's why I thought IPL 2020 has been completely cancelled.

[BitSat19]

^ I don't think BCCI will be looking to host IPL in country like Sri Lanka because they have always security issues due to inside war causes so BCCI will choose UAE if possible. But I am not seeing any news regarding cricket in local media for too long, that's why I thought IPL 2020 has been completely cancelled.

I am sure you wake up after many years because now Sri Lanka is very safe country and no security issues they already done some very good improvements in many fields and BCCI is not going to face any issue regard this but right now no one is sure about this because all things going in limbo until we are not sure about twenty/20 world cup announcement.

[akram143]

^ I don't think BCCI will be looking to host IPL in country like Sri Lanka because they have always security issues due to inside war causes so BCCI will choose UAE if possible. But I am not seeing any news regarding cricket in local media for too long, that's why I thought IPL 2020 has been completely cancelled.

I am sure you wake up after many years because now Sri Lanka is very safe country and no security issues they already done some very good improvements in many fields and BCCI is not going to face any issue regard this but right now no one is sure about this because all things going in limbo until we are not sure about twenty/20 world cup announcement.

Not really, you can see even in 2019 there was a bomb blast in Churches and Luxury hotels.Still there are riots between two communities in SL so I don't think many countries will never allow their players to play on that kind of place.

[pakhitheboss]

^ I don't think BCCI will be looking to host IPL in country like Sri Lanka because they have always security issues due to inside war causes so BCCI will choose UAE if possible. But I am not seeing any news regarding cricket in local media for too long, that's why I thought IPL 2020 has been completely cancelled.

I am sure you wake up after many years because now Sri Lanka is very safe country and no security issues they already done some very good improvements in many fields and BCCI is not going to face any issue regard this but right now no one is sure about this because all things going in limbo until we are not sure about twenty/20 world cup announcement.

Not really, you can see even in 2019 there was a bomb blast in Churches and Luxury hotels.Still there are riots between two communities in SL so I don't think many countries will never allow their players to play on that kind of place.

If the government of srilanka puts adequate security measures then I do not it will be an issue. I think more than security covid19 is a big issue everywhere. Srilanka is still better place with less number of positive cases.