ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[Juggy777]

I could not agree with you because the Indian team still has world class bowlers.  Some bowlers have been injured after playing cricket for some time and this is the reason why there is a shortage of bowlers in the Indian team from time to time.  Do you think Zaheer Khan is not a world class bowler?  Irfan Pathan was not a world class bowler?  Harbhajan Singh Anil Kumble Aren't they world class bowlers?  And now Jaspreet Bhomra, Bhubaneswar Kumar, they are definitely world class players.  With Jubendra Chahal Kuldeep Yadav they are there.

I would definitely say that the current situation is much better than what we had 10-20 years ago. Now even if one or two of the bowlers are injured, plenty of replacements are available. Previously that was not the case. There were quality replacements available for the batsmen, but there was not enough depth available in the pace bowling department. Check India's performance when Zaheer was out injured.  

@Vishnu.Reang earlier the team management was happy to rely on few individuals only, and therefore others never got a chance to get into the Indian team hence there were limited bowlers only. However under Ms Dhoni’s captaincy this changed, and it’s due his vision that the Indian team managed to create a very strong squad for all the formats.

Sources:

https://cricket.yahoo.net/news/4-captaincy-decisions-taken-ms-135952013

https://www.quora.com/What-are-best-changes-made-by-a-MS-dhoni-in-Indian-cricket-team

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[shamimal93]

I would definitely say that the current situation is much better than what we had 10-20 years ago. Now even if one or two of the bowlers are injured, plenty of replacements are available. Previously that was not the case. There were quality replacements available for the batsmen, but there was not enough depth available in the pace bowling department. Check India's performance when Zaheer was out injured. 

I am not saying that the situation is not better than before.  Of course, India has improved a lot in pace bowling than before.  But this too, exactly ten or fifteen years ago, India's pace attack was not so bad.  When Zaheer Khan got injured, he was replaced by Ashish Nehra, Praveen Kumar and Munaf Patel.  But yes, now India's pace attack is much more than before.  World class players like Bumrah are now in the Indian team.  Some more emerging players are being created.  Among them Navadwip Saini, Prasid Krishna, Joydev Unadkat, Tushar Deshpande, Mohammad Siraj are some of them.  And there is no need to talk about Bhubaneswar Kumar and Mohammad Sami separately.  They are also one of the best bowlers in India.  They are also world-class bowlers.

[JSRAW]

Couple of updates on the World Cricket.

-England planning to tour Pakistan for the White ball cricket soon (2021)
-WI vs NZ Test tour coming up soon. (Nov)
-SA hosting England for White ball cricket, just waiting for Gov's permission (Nov-Dec)

[Juggy777]

Couple of updates on the World Cricket.

-England planning to tour Pakistan for the White ball cricket soon (2021)
-WI vs NZ Test tour coming up soon. (Nov)
-SA hosting England for White ball cricket, just waiting for Gov's permission (Nov-Dec)

@JSRAW normally I do trust your posts when it comes to cricket, but this time I had to google it to make sure that England were actually planning to go and play in Pakistan. Furthermore I’m also hoping that England don’t send their B team to play otherwise it’ll be another dull series, hence do you really feel that England’s top player’s will be ready to travel and play in Pakistan?.

Source:

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/12105116/england-considering-invitation-to-tour-pakistan-in-early-2021

[JSRAW]

Couple of updates on the World Cricket.

-England planning to tour Pakistan for the White ball cricket soon (2021)
-WI vs NZ Test tour coming up soon. (Nov)
-SA hosting England for White ball cricket, just waiting for Gov's permission (Nov-Dec)

@JSRAW normally I do trust your posts when it comes to cricket, but this time I had to google it to make sure that England were actually planning to go and play in Pakistan. Furthermore I’m also hoping that England don’t send their B team to play otherwise it’ll be another dull series, hence do you really feel that England’s top player’s will be ready to travel and play in Pakistan?.

Source:

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/12105116/england-considering-invitation-to-tour-pakistan-in-early-2021

This proposed white ball tour schedule at around same time as their Subcontinent tour (India tour) so i doubt if they are going to send their B team. As far as security is concern, if PCB providing them top notch security and Covid Bio secure bubble then they should visit there with out any doubt. As simple as that.

[Vishnu.Reang]

There is some disappointing piece of news from the ICC.

https://emergingcricket.com/news/ec-podcast/olympics-not-an-immediate-priority-says-icc-global-development-head/

According to the William Glenwright (ICC Head of Global Development), the plans to include cricket within Olympic games have been shelved. Earlier, there were half-hearted efforts from the ICC to include it in the 2028 Olympics. The Associate nations have reacted angrily, saying that they would have received government funding worth millions of USD every year, if cricket becomes an Olympic sports.

[bryant.coleman]

As a cricket lover i would be very happy if i could watch cricket at the Olympic games. Almost all sports in theworld are in the Olympiv games. I don't know why the ICC havn't any interest in including cricket in the Olympics.

They probably don't want a global tournament in which they don't have much control. Previously, ECB and BCCI opposed the inclusion of cricket in Olympics, because they thought that it will have a negative impact on the viewership of the T20 World Cup. Also, the potential benefits will be directed towards the associate members, as they will get large increases in government funding. It goes against the Big 3 objective of limiting cricket to a handful of nations.

BTW, it was Shashank Manohar who showed an interest in including cricket in the Olympics. He is gone now and the power is back in the hands of those who are opposed to the globalization of cricket.

[pakhitheboss]

As a cricket lover i would be very happy if i could watch cricket at the Olympic games. Almost all sports in theworld are in the Olympiv games. I don't know why the ICC havn't any interest in including cricket in the Olympics.

They probably don't want a global tournament in which they don't have much control. Previously, ECB and BCCI opposed the inclusion of cricket in Olympics, because they thought that it will have a negative impact on the viewership of the T20 World Cup. Also, the potential benefits will be directed towards the associate members, as they will get large increases in government funding. It goes against the Big 3 objective of limiting cricket to a handful of nations.

BTW, it was Shashank Manohar who showed an interest in including cricket in the Olympics. He is gone now and the power is back in the hands of those who are opposed to the globalization of cricket.

Inclusion of cricket in the Olympics will reduce their dominance over the ICC, so BCCI does not want cricket to be included in the Olympics. But cricket would have been more respected if it had been included in the Olympic games. There are a lot of people who still do not know anything about cricket. We should spread the game of cricket like football. The president of the ICC should think more about this issue.

T20 format is the only format that can increase the fan following of cricket and also encourage other countries to adopt it. I did read that cricket might get included in 2028 Olympics.

I am not sure whether it will happen or not but if at all it happens it surely create a huge buzz and other countries will surely start adopting it.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Inclusion of cricket in the Olympics will reduce their dominance over the ICC, so BCCI does not want cricket to be included in the Olympics. But cricket would have been more respected if it had been included in the Olympic games. There are a lot of people who still do not know anything about cricket. We should spread the game of cricket like football. The president of the ICC should think more about this issue.

BCCI has every reason to be worried. They are afraid that such a step will result in their subordination to the Indian Olympic Association (IOA). Right now BCCI is the most powerful sports body in India, and they don't want to lose that position. Last year, there was stiff opposition from the part of the BCCI, when the government asked them to agree to the terms proposed by the NADA (National Anti-Doping Agency). You can imagine what will be their reaction, if the government proposes them to work with the IOA.

[pakhitheboss]

Inclusion of cricket in the Olympics will reduce their dominance over the ICC, so BCCI does not want cricket to be included in the Olympics. But cricket would have been more respected if it had been included in the Olympic games. There are a lot of people who still do not know anything about cricket. We should spread the game of cricket like football. The president of the ICC should think more about this issue.

BCCI has every reason to be worried. They are afraid that such a step will result in their subordination to the Indian Olympic Association (IOA). Right now BCCI is the most powerful sports body in India, and they don't want to lose that position. Last year, there was stiff opposition from the part of the BCCI, when the government asked them to agree to the terms proposed by the NADA (National Anti-Doping Agency). You can imagine what will be their reaction, if the government proposes them to work with the IOA.

When have you heard BCCI not opposing and agreeing to everything that comes on their way. People from within BCCI should support the move, there are ex cricketer like Sachin Tendulkar who want cricket to be part of the Olympics and.there are many others too. It will happen you have to wait till 2028.

Sachin's view on cricket being part of the Olympics- https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.outlookindia.com/website/amp/sports-news-sachin-tendulkar-wants-cricket-in-olympics-even-if-in-a-shorter-format/324136

[Vishnu.Reang]

When have you heard BCCI not opposing and agreeing to everything that comes on their way. People from within BCCI should support the move, there are ex cricketer like Sachin Tendulkar who want cricket to be part of the Olympics and.there are many others too. It will happen you have to wait till 2028.

Sachin's view on cricket being part of the Olympics- https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.outlookindia.com/website/amp/sports-news-sachin-tendulkar-wants-cricket-in-olympics-even-if-in-a-shorter-format/324136

Sachin is a legendary cricketer and he cares a lot about the future of the game. Participating in Olympic Games is like the biggest dream for any sports personality. But for people such as N Srinivasan and Sharad Pawar, the priorities are different. They don't have any emotional attachment with the sport of cricket and they are in the board only for their own vested interests. So they don't really care whether the popularity and globalization of cricket takes a hit or not.

[JSRAW]

When have you heard BCCI not opposing and agreeing to everything that comes on their way. People from within BCCI should support the move, there are ex cricketer like Sachin Tendulkar who want cricket to be part of the Olympics and.there are many others too. It will happen you have to wait till 2028.

Sachin's view on cricket being part of the Olympics- https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.outlookindia.com/website/amp/sports-news-sachin-tendulkar-wants-cricket-in-olympics-even-if-in-a-shorter-format/324136

Sachin is a legendary cricketer and he cares a lot about the future of the game. Participating in Olympic Games is like the biggest dream for any sports personality. But for people such as N Srinivasan and Sharad Pawar, the priorities are different. They don't have any emotional attachment with the sport of cricket and they are in the board only for their own vested interests. So they don't really care whether the popularity and globalization of cricket takes a hit or not.

I hope you guys are not expecting him to take any worthy post in ICC or BCCI. He's terrible administrator and might break emotionally or back down during any pressure situation. He's too soft or humble for any cutthroat competition as far as politics goes.

I am in favor of cricket inclusion in the Olympic but i would not be very excited if IOA dictating Indian cricket or BCCI (For Olympics) , they are worst kind of breed. I am afraid that they might try to propose or implement quota system in Olympic cricket team and bring more shitty politics on policies/selection etc. They (BCCI-IOA-NADA) are trying to work together tho so let's hope everything goes well.

[bryant.coleman]

I am in favor of cricket inclusion in the Olympic but i would not be very excited if IOA dictating Indian cricket or BCCI (For Olympics) , they are worst kind of breed. I am afraid that they might try to propose or implement quota system in Olympic cricket team and bring more shitty politics on policies/selection etc. They (BCCI-IOA-NADA) are trying to work together tho so let's hope everything goes well.

I don't think that the BCCI needs to agree to the demands made by IOA, even if cricket becomes a part of the Olympics. We saw this during the 1998 Commonwealth Games, when cricket was included for the first time. The team selection and management was made by the BCCI, and only logistics and other formalities were done by the IOA. BCCI's main concern is about the loss of revenue and not about the administrative interference from the IOA. They believe that in case an additional global tournament occurs every 4 years, then it will lower the viewership of some of the ICC events.

Anyway, the current team at BCCI is much better than what we had earlier. Saurav Ganguly is a great administrator and he has done a lot of great reforms since he became the president of the BCCI. There are some political appointees, but they don't have any criminal background or links to match fixing, as was the case a few years ago.

[JSRAW]

-SA hosting England for White ball cricket, just waiting for Gov's permission (Nov-Dec)

Proteas's Gov gave a green light and England tour of South Africa is good to go for 3 ODI and 3 T-20.

CSA making some efforts to bring back cricket season asap. They are in talk with the SriLankan board for Red ball cricket around Dec-Jan.

[Vishnu.Reang]

-SA hosting England for White ball cricket, just waiting for Gov's permission (Nov-Dec)

Proteas's Gov gave a green light and England tour of South Africa is good to go for 3 ODI and 3 T-20.

CSA making some efforts to bring back cricket season asap. They are in talk with the SriLankan board for Red ball cricket around Dec-Jan.

This is going to be a very competitive series, with the South African players in such great form during this edition of the IPL. It will be exciting to watch players such as Kagiso Rabada, Anrich Nortje, Quinton de Kock and Faf du Plessis playing against Bairstow and Sam Curran. I am not sure about the test-series though. I am afraid that it is going to be one-sided.

[JSRAW]

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This is going to be a very competitive series, with the South African players in such great form during this edition of the IPL. It will be exciting to watch players such as Kagiso Rabada, Anrich Nortje, Quinton de Kock and Faf du Plessis playing against Bairstow and Sam Curran. I am not sure about the test-series though. I am afraid that it is going to be one-sided.

Limited overs cricket only, no test series atm. South Africa trying to lure Srilanka tho.

White ball cricketers from the both teams getting fair amount of practice here so yeah we could expect cracking series. 

[bryant.coleman]

Limited overs cricket only, no test series atm. South Africa trying to lure Srilanka tho.

White ball cricketers from the both teams getting fair amount of practice here so yeah we could expect cracking series.  

Sri Lankan cricketers have been out of action for so long, with only Isuru Udana having match experience from the IPL. However, they have the Lankan Premier League 2020 scheduled to start from next month. There is still a lot of uncertainty about the schedule, but I hope it will go ahead as planned. The last time they did something similar was in 2012 (Sri Lanka Premier League). But it was a disaster.

[Juggy777]

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This is going to be a very competitive series, with the South African players in such great form during this edition of the IPL. It will be exciting to watch players such as Kagiso Rabada, Anrich Nortje, Quinton de Kock and Faf du Plessis playing against Bairstow and Sam Curran. I am not sure about the test-series though. I am afraid that it is going to be one-sided.

Limited overs cricket only, no test series atm. South Africa trying to lure Srilanka tho.

White ball cricketers from the both teams getting fair amount of practice here so yeah we could expect cracking series. 

@JSRAW I’m surprised that South Africa has been able to arrange this series, as I felt that they would be sanctioned by ICC due to their government being involved in their internal matters, but it seems that for now they’re escaping the sanction. Furthermore I have always enjoyed the series between these two sides, and I feel that both the teams are equally balanced, hence it’ll be an very interesting series to watch.

Source:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/30113345/cricket-south-africa-escape-icc-penalty-case-government-interference-now

[bryant.coleman]

Limited overs cricket only, no test series atm. South Africa trying to lure Srilanka tho.

White ball cricketers from the both teams getting fair amount of practice here so yeah we could expect cracking series.  

Sri Lankan cricketers have been out of action for so long, with only Isuru Udana having match experience from the IPL. However, they have the Lankan Premier League 2020 scheduled to start from next month. There is still a lot of uncertainty about the schedule, but I hope it will go ahead as planned. The last time they did something similar was in 2012 (Sri Lanka Premier League). But it was a disaster.

I am very curious about the Sri Lankan Premier League. Hopefully this time they will be able to arrange everything very well. Hope we can see a great and exciting game like IPL. I'm ready to bet on the SPL's matches.

This time they have named it as the "Lankan Premier League (LPL)". Back in 2012, the name was Sri Lanka Premier League (SLPL). I don't understand the obsession with the franchise T20 leagues. If your domestic market is pretty large (such as the case in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Australia, England.etc), then you can be assured that the tournament will be a success. But I really doubt whether smaller nations such as Sri Lanka can get enough revenues and sponsorships to make sure that it will not end up as a loss making venture.

[JSRAW]

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Limited overs cricket only, no test series atm. South Africa trying to lure Srilanka tho.

White ball cricketers from the both teams getting fair amount of practice here so yeah we could expect cracking series. 

@JSRAW I’m surprised that South Africa has been able to arrange this series, as I felt that they would be sanctioned by ICC due to their government being involved in their internal matters, but it seems that for now they’re escaping the sanction.

This drama still going on - Board member already resigned- but they are also kick starting their home season with this England series. After that

2 test match series with Sri Lanka (Dec-Jan)
3 Test match series with Australia (Feb-March)

Followed by Pakistan tour of South Africa, not much details atm.
https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/114686/sri-lanka-australia-and-pakistan-to-tour-south-africa-in-bumper-home-season