ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[Iranus]

India have lost two matches. I would say their batsmen have played very well. But their bowlers are not successful. Their performance are very bad . If their bowlers can’t improve themselves in the next match too, they will be whitewashed by Austrelian squad. MA Starc said, they want to whitewash India in this series.

India have now five consecutive lost their in ODIs. Despite the loss Indian batsmen manged to play well. Bowlers have not been able to bowl a consistent length and even though Pandya bowled today, it was a little too late. Bowling unit needs to step up, cant expect the batsmen to play much better everytime while chasing such a big targets. India lost his match because of weak bowling. Most of the time Kohli’s captaincy has been off color while chasing the game.

The batsmen have been able to perform their duties properly. To bat for 380 runs target, being able to score more than 330 runs is definitely good batting. Indian bowlers are not comfortable on the Australian pitch. They are not giving their best. We have seen Bumrah bowl great in the IPL. But Bumrah is not able to bowl better on the Australian pitch. Although the pitches are mainly batting dependent, such poor bowling cannot be expected from India.

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[SaShiRaJaVu]

The batsmen have been able to perform their duties properly. To bat for 380 runs target, being able to score more than 330 runs is definitely good batting. Indian bowlers are not comfortable on the Australian pitch. They are not giving their best. We have seen Bumrah bowl great in the IPL. But Bumrah is not able to bowl better on the Australian pitch. Although the pitches are mainly batting dependent, such poor bowling cannot be expected from India.

It is not the Indian fast bowlers that are struggling in this pitch, Mitchell Starc is also struggling as he is taken for runs in the first two matches and the only bowler that is successful is Adam Zampa who was able to pick wickets.
I want to see competitive matches rather than flat wickets where batsman dominate and the only way they could loose wicket is when they hit straight to a fielder.

[Sithara007]

It is not the Indian fast bowlers that are struggling in this pitch, Mitchell Starc is also struggling as he is taken for runs in the first two matches and the only bowler that is successful is Adam Zampa who was able to pick wickets.
I want to see competitive matches rather than flat wickets where batsman dominate and the only way they could loose wicket is when they hit straight to a fielder.

Actually Mitchell Starc bowled worse than anyone in the Indian bowling lineup. In the end, it didn't matter because Australia had such a huge score to defend. But I have a feeling that if India had won the toss, and decided to bat first, then things could have been much different. India could have set a total of 350-360, and the Australians could have struggled to chase this down.

[Iranus]

The batsmen have been able to perform their duties properly. To bat for 380 runs target, being able to score more than 330 runs is definitely good batting. Indian bowlers are not comfortable on the Australian pitch. They are not giving their best. We have seen Bumrah bowl great in the IPL. But Bumrah is not able to bowl better on the Australian pitch. Although the pitches are mainly batting dependent, such poor bowling cannot be expected from India.

It is not the Indian fast bowlers that are struggling in this pitch, Mitchell Starc is also struggling as he is taken for runs in the first two matches and the only bowler that is successful is Adam Zampa who was able to pick wickets.
I want to see competitive matches rather than flat wickets where batsman dominate and the only way they could loose wicket is when they hit straight to a fielder.

MA Starc is giving a lot of runs. Cummins and Zampa are successful bowlers. They are getting wickets and giving fewer runs. I think spinners are getting more benefits on this pitch than pacers. India can have an extra spinner in their squad. Because even if the spinners get fewer wickets, they are not spending more runs.

[Vishnu.Reang]

MA Starc is giving a lot of runs. Cummins and Zampa are successful bowlers. They are getting wickets and giving fewer runs. I think spinners are getting more benefits on this pitch than pacers. India can have an extra spinner in their squad. Because even if the spinners get fewer wickets, they are not spending more runs.

I don't know whether it will be a good idea to have an extra spinner. Yuzvendra Chahal went for plenty of runs during the first two matches. Jadeja was a bit better, but even he couldn't manage to take wickets. India can have an extra bowler in the playing XI, but I don't think that it should be a spinner. If they want to include Kuldeep, then it will be better to drop Chahal.

[ene1980]

Your point is correct. The Indian team can give the youngsters a chance. But I think they will be desperate to win the next match. It is a shame for the Indian team to be a whitewash and the Indian cricket fans are very fierce. They could be more aggressive if the India team whitewash.

Australia is playing with a mission, to wish wash India and there is nothing that can be done to avoid that, may be rain might help them as there was rain in New Zealand and the T20 match against West Indies was abandoned and it can happen it the third ODI and save the embarrassment for India .

[Pffrt]

Australia is playing with a mission, to wish wash India and there is nothing that can be done to avoid that, may be rain might help them as there was rain in New Zealand and the T20 match against West Indies was abandoned and it can happen it the third ODI and save the embarrassment for India .

You are underestimating the Indian team. Don't you think that the team is able to beat Australia? Batsman are doing their job accordingly but India couldn’t make a good combination of bowlers. With a few changes, I think India can come back in the next match with more stronger and will have different result.

[JSRAW]

MA Starc is giving a lot of runs. Cummins and Zampa are successful bowlers. They are getting wickets and giving fewer runs. I think spinners are getting more benefits on this pitch than pacers. India can have an extra spinner in their squad. Because even if the spinners get fewer wickets, they are not spending more runs.

I don't know whether it will be a good idea to have an extra spinner. Yuzvendra Chahal went for plenty of runs during the first two matches. Jadeja was a bit better, but even he couldn't manage to take wickets. India can have an extra bowler in the playing XI, but I don't think that it should be a spinner. If they want to include Kuldeep, then it will be better to drop Chahal.

Extra bowler?

And how are we going to fit extra bowler in the Playing XI? and who is going to sit out specialist batsmen or Hardik or Jadeja? You can't change top 5 batsmen (Mayank,Sikhar,Virat, Iyer,Rahul) as batting might get bit weaker.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

Actually Mitchell Starc bowled worse than anyone in the Indian bowling lineup. In the end, it didn't matter because Australia had such a huge score to defend. But I have a feeling that if India had won the toss, and decided to bat first, then things could have been much different. India could have set a total of 350-360, and the Australians could have struggled to chase this down.

The two ODI was played in batting paradise and i really feel sad for the bowlers and the batsman were able to adjust to the pace and score runs off Mitchell Starc and the bowlers who were able to mix the deliveries with scrambled seam and slower balls will have any advantage in these flat pitches and i would like to see India batting first in their next match and see how it goes and until India is able to score above 350 runs Australia will chase them.

[vella85]

Actually Mitchell Starc bowled worse than anyone in the Indian bowling lineup. In the end, it didn't matter because Australia had such a huge score to defend. But I have a feeling that if India had won the toss, and decided to bat first, then things could have been much different. India could have set a total of 350-360, and the Australians could have struggled to chase this down.

The two ODI was played in batting paradise and i really feel sad for the bowlers and the batsman were able to adjust to the pace and score runs off Mitchell Starc and the bowlers who were able to mix the deliveries with scrambled seam and slower balls will have any advantage in these flat pitches and i would like to see India batting first in their next match and see how it goes and until India is able to score above 350 runs Australia will chase them.

Even though Australia has won the series I too would like to see how India go batting first and then see if Australia can chase down the target. I also think that if India bat first that they would need a minimum of 350 runs as the Australian batting line up is very strong however Warner will miss the next ODI match and could also be in doubt for the first test match.

[bryant.coleman]

Even though Australia has won the series I too would like to see how India go batting first and then see if Australia can chase down the target. I also think that if India bat first that they would need a minimum of 350 runs as the Australian batting line up is very strong however Warner will miss the next ODI match and could also be in doubt for the first test match.

The next ODI will be played at Canberra (Manuka Oval) and therefore the conditions may be different from what they had in Sydney. So in case the pitch offers more support for the pace bowlers, it may be a bad decision to choose batting if they win the toss. The last ODI was played at this ground more than 4 years ago (Australia vs New Zealand), and it was a high scoring game with Australia ending up at 378/5.

[JSRAW]

Is anyone else thinking that this series Aus vs Ind getting too friendly?

Players patting each others on back, joking around even after getting hit, rubbing belly (KL-Smith). IPL hijacking the old rivalry.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Is anyone else thinking that this series Aus vs Ind getting too friendly?
Players patting each others on back, joking around even after getting hit, rubbing belly (KL-Smith). IPL hijacking the old rivalry.

Within the next few years, cricket will resemble more like football and club (franchise) cricket will be the first priority for the players, as well as for the boards. Already we are witnessing the trend of players resigning from the international cricket, so that they could concentrate more on the franchise leagues. And this will have a negative impact on the smaller boards.

[Iranus]

Is anyone else thinking that this series Aus vs Ind getting too friendly?
Players patting each others on back, joking around even after getting hit, rubbing belly (KL-Smith). IPL hijacking the old rivalry.

Within the next few years, cricket will resemble more like football and club (franchise) cricket will be the first priority for the players, as well as for the boards. Already we are witnessing the trend of players resigning from the international cricket, so that they could concentrate more on the franchise leagues. And this will have a negative impact on the smaller boards.

The ICC should make some rules now. For example, a player can play in the franchise league for a certain period of time after retiring from international cricket. There should also be some more restrictions. Otherwise, small cricket boards will not last long. Teams like Zimbabwe, West Indies will ruind very quickly. Their players will retire quickly  from the international cricket and play in different leagues.

[Swordsoffreedom]

As far as I know, Rohit Sharma is out of the team now for his personal needs.
I agree with Aakash Chopra. India team need Rohit Sharma to score over 350 runs. Rohit Sharma is also needed for batting for chasing a big target. Because Rohit Sharma can stay at the crease for a long time and bring a big collection for the team. what do you think?

[JSRAW]

Is anyone else thinking that this series Aus vs Ind getting too friendly?
Players patting each others on back, joking around even after getting hit, rubbing belly (KL-Smith). IPL hijacking the old rivalry.

Within the next few years, cricket will resemble more like football and club (franchise) cricket will be the first priority for the players, as well as for the boards. Already we are witnessing the trend of players resigning from the international cricket, so that they could concentrate more on the franchise leagues. And this will have a negative impact on the smaller boards.

ICC should introduce one proposal. Give cricket board option of choosing Limited over cricket (T-20/ODI) or Tests or everything (T-20/ODI + Tests). and ICC should stop romanticize with the Red ball cricket and face the reality, they could save tons of money and by doing so they could finance more countries to adopt T-20/ODI.

[bryant.coleman]

ICC should introduce one proposal. Give cricket board option of choosing Limited over cricket (T-20/ODI) or Tests or everything (T-20/ODI + Tests). and ICC should stop romanticize with the Red ball cricket and face the reality, they could save tons of money and by doing so they could finance more countries to adopt T-20/ODI.

I agree. Red ball cricket is not compatible with 21st century. During the good old days, cricket fans had plenty of time, and they could spend 5 days continuously to watch the test matches. But now no one is having that much time. The time and effort spent on playing test matches could be better spent on playing more T20I or ODI matches. Everyone will benefit. The players will benefit in the form of decreased workload and the boards will benefit in terms of increased revenues.

[JSRAW]

ICC should introduce one proposal. Give cricket board option of choosing Limited over cricket (T-20/ODI) or Tests or everything (T-20/ODI + Tests). and ICC should stop romanticize with the Red ball cricket and face the reality, they could save tons of money and by doing so they could finance more countries to adopt T-20/ODI.

I agree. Red ball cricket is not compatible with 21st century. During the good old days, cricket fans had plenty of time, and they could spend 5 days continuously to watch the test matches. But now no one is having that much time. The time and effort spent on playing test matches could be better spent on playing more T20I or ODI matches. Everyone will benefit. The players will benefit in the form of decreased workload and the boards will benefit in terms of increased revenues.

But we shouldn't expect much from the ICC, for them proposals like this are blasphemous act.

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Anyway 3rd ODI aka Dead rubber game is in progress. Australia resting their premiere bowlers Cummins-Starc, no Warner due to injury. Will didn't get his maiden cap but Cameron Green got one. From Indian side Natarajan earned his cap.

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Edit: Here we go.. Bye bye Dhawan

[bryant.coleman]

India did the right thing by selecting Natarajan. Saini was given two chances and he failed to make use of them. Also, dropping Chahal and selecting Kuldeep Yadav as the spinner was another move in the right direction. Chahal failed to make any impact during the previous matches and there is nothing wrong in trying some left-arm wrist spin against the Australians.

[Juggy777]

India did the right thing by selecting Natarajan. Saini was given two chances and he failed to make use of them. Also, dropping Chahal and selecting Kuldeep Yadav as the spinner was another move in the right direction. Chahal failed to make any impact during the previous matches and there is nothing wrong in trying some left-arm wrist spin against the Australians.

@bryant.coleman I’m not at all surprised by their changes as there’s nothing to lose for team India, but if their experiments work then they’ll have new player’s in their starting 11. Furthermore it seems that Indian batsmen have played it slow and safe, as they have currently scored 76 runs with a loss of a wicket, but in my personal opinion they’ll need to score at least 380+ runs to salvage something from this match.

Source:

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scores/31643/aus-vs-ind-3rd-odi-india-tour-of-australia-2020-21