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Did anybody newspaper ever publish Trump's tax returns?

The NYTimes won a Pulitzer for the most in depth investigation from documents we recently found out were provided by his Niece.

Like the Mueller report it proves Trump is a fraud and a criminal but it's too long and complicated for many Trump supporters to read even if they wanted to.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html

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August 16, 2020, 10:20:23 PM
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Excellent article, I am reading up on it now but had to post here after reading this part:

"The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show"



The NYTimes won a Pulitzer for the most in depth investigation from documents we recently found out were provided by his Niece.

Like the Mueller report it proves Trump is a fraud and a criminal but it's too long and complicated for many Trump supporters to read even if they wanted to.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html

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August 16, 2020, 11:24:20 PM
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“In todays dollars” X100, lol..
Surprised they value inflating their story so much over possibly redpilling the masses on how terrible $dollars are as a store of value..

Trumps are smart.. Pay as little taxes as possible..
Nice exaggerated hitpiece..
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August 17, 2020, 12:25:08 AM
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Did anybody newspaper ever publish Trump's tax returns?

The NYTimes won a Pulitzer for the most in depth investigation from documents we recently found out were provided by his Niece.

Like the Mueller report it proves Trump is a fraud and a criminal but it's too long and complicated for many Trump supporters to read even if they wanted to.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html

Most likely too long for anyone to read. Hard to put that into a one sentence headline which pretty much means that most Americans won't know about it. Not trying to shit on just Americans here, this is an everyone problem - no one has an attention span and wants to do large scale research on topics that they can just be spoon fed about.

Excellent article, I am reading up on it now but had to post here after reading this part:

"The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show"



The NYTimes won a Pulitzer for the most in depth investigation from documents we recently found out were provided by his Niece.

Like the Mueller report it proves Trump is a fraud and a criminal but it's too long and complicated for many Trump supporters to read even if they wanted to.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html

Q - Why didn't the IRS or NY State Department of Tax and Finance go after him about this?

Is it just common for rich people to do this so no one wants to go after this?




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August 17, 2020, 01:21:37 AM
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Did anybody newspaper ever publish Trump's tax returns?

The NYTimes won a Pulitzer for the most in depth investigation from documents we recently found out were provided by his Niece.

Like the Mueller report it proves Trump is a fraud and a criminal but it's too long and complicated for many Trump supporters to read even if they wanted to.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html

Most likely too long for anyone to read. Hard to put that into a one sentence headline which pretty much means that most Americans won't know about it. Not trying to shit on just Americans here, this is an everyone problem - no one has an attention span and wants to do large scale research on topics that they can just be spoon fed about.

Excellent article, I am reading up on it now but had to post here after reading this part:

"The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances. The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show"



The NYTimes won a Pulitzer for the most in depth investigation from documents we recently found out were provided by his Niece.

Like the Mueller report it proves Trump is a fraud and a criminal but it's too long and complicated for many Trump supporters to read even if they wanted to.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html

Q - Why didn't the IRS or NY State Department of Tax and Finance go after him about this?

Is it just common for rich people to do this so no one wants to go after this?


I guess you could say incompetence, but I imagine it's a lot easier to get away with fraud when you have several family members participating and many different types of assets and separate companies.  The more complicated the better.

imo the tax evasion and bank fraud aren't nearly as damning as the fact that Trumps entire "I'm a self made super successful business man that turned a small loan into billions" is false. (yes TECSHARE and spendulus, we know, he had success in the 2016 election) That may describe Fred Trump, but not Donald who blew tons of money that was given to him and whenever he got in trouble (often) his father just gave him more, and when his father was near death he took control of everything.




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August 17, 2020, 01:47:03 AM
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Probably incompetence, but I mean more in regards to like - I highly doubt that the Trumps are the first people to do this (if all of the allegations are true) -- I also doubt that they're going to be the last ones to do so. An excuse to this could be that it is very expensive for NYS DTF and the IRS to go after this, but like, this is where the money is so wouldn't it be a net gain to be doing this and going against the rich people?

I assume that like, not everything they did is illegal and I think it's fair for us to assume that the NY Times did embellish parts of the story to make it seem worse then it really is. But ya know, rich people and doing illegal shit is pretty common.

NY Times have him inheriting around half a billion from his Dad and the real estate empire. He's worth a couple more billion then that now, so I wouldn't say that he's just not successful. Guy did do pretty well for himself throughout the years with his real estate holdings.




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August 17, 2020, 02:15:57 AM
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Probably incompetence, but I mean more in regards to like - I highly doubt that the Trumps are the first people to do this (if all of the allegations are true) -- I also doubt that they're going to be the last ones to do so. An excuse to this could be that it is very expensive for NYS DTF and the IRS to go after this, but like, this is where the money is so wouldn't it be a net gain to be doing this and going against the rich people?

Rich people have expensive lawyers and the government has limited resources so it has to pick and choose. Which somewhat ironically means the biggest white-collar criminals often get away while someone who forgot to put a $5000 stock sale on their tax return may get the book thrown at them.

NY Times have him inheriting around half a billion from his Dad and the real estate empire. He's worth a couple more billion then that now, so I wouldn't say that he's just not successful. Guy did do pretty well for himself throughout the years with his real estate holdings.

Given how he misrepresented his wealth over the years I doubt "billions" is true. Properties are likely mortgaged up the wazoo and money spent on fake tans. This has the advantage of being able to walk away and leave the banks holding the bags, like he did with his multiple bankruptcies.

BTW S&P 500 went up more than fivefold in the last 30 years so there's that too. Pro tip for when you inherit half a billion  Wink

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Probably incompetence, but I mean more in regards to like - I highly doubt that the Trumps are the first people to do this (if all of the allegations are true) -- I also doubt that they're going to be the last ones to do so. An excuse to this could be that it is very expensive for NYS DTF and the IRS to go after this, but like, this is where the money is so wouldn't it be a net gain to be doing this and going against the rich people?

Rich people have expensive lawyers and the government has limited resources so it has to pick and choose. Which somewhat ironically means the biggest white-collar criminals often get away while someone who forgot to put a $5000 stock sale on their tax return may get the book thrown at them.

NY Times have him inheriting around half a billion from his Dad and the real estate empire. He's worth a couple more billion then that now, so I wouldn't say that he's just not successful. Guy did do pretty well for himself throughout the years with his real estate holdings.

Given how he misrepresented his wealth over the years I doubt "billions" is true. Properties are likely mortgaged up the wazoo and money spent on fake tans. This has the advantage of being able to walk away and leave the banks holding the bags, like he did with his multiple bankruptcies.

BTW S&P 500 went up more than fivefold in the last 30 years so there's that too. Pro tip for when you inherit half a billion  Wink

True in regards to the expensive lawyers and such, totally can't fight ya on that one. Makes it a lot more expensive for the government, and I highly doubt that Congress is going to allocate tons of money to catching rich people. They'd most likely lobby for that unit to get like nothing and no one would ever know.

But back to the Trump side of things. S&P has gone up five fold so that would put the $500 mil he received to around $2.5B if it was all in the market. Trump was worth $3.1B (according to Forbes) before the pandemic, but now he's worth $2.1B b/c of the Pandemic effects. Most likely will go back to what it was before.

So I mean, he has outperformed the market with his real estate holdings if you disregard this pandemic.




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August 17, 2020, 02:53:05 AM
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Probably incompetence, but I mean more in regards to like - I highly doubt that the Trumps are the first people to do this (if all of the allegations are true) -- I also doubt that they're going to be the last ones to do so. An excuse to this could be that it is very expensive for NYS DTF and the IRS to go after this, but like, this is where the money is so wouldn't it be a net gain to be doing this and going against the rich people?

Rich people have expensive lawyers and the government has limited resources so it has to pick and choose. Which somewhat ironically means the biggest white-collar criminals often get away while someone who forgot to put a $5000 stock sale on their tax return may get the book thrown at them.

NY Times have him inheriting around half a billion from his Dad and the real estate empire. He's worth a couple more billion then that now, so I wouldn't say that he's just not successful. Guy did do pretty well for himself throughout the years with his real estate holdings.

Given how he misrepresented his wealth over the years I doubt "billions" is true. Properties are likely mortgaged up the wazoo and money spent on fake tans. This has the advantage of being able to walk away and leave the banks holding the bags, like he did with his multiple bankruptcies.

BTW S&P 500 went up more than fivefold in the last 30 years so there's that too. Pro tip for when you inherit half a billion  Wink

True in regards to the expensive lawyers and such, totally can't fight ya on that one. Makes it a lot more expensive for the government, and I highly doubt that Congress is going to allocate tons of money to catching rich people. They'd most likely lobby for that unit to get like nothing and no one would ever know.

But back to the Trump side of things. S&P has gone up five fold so that would put the $500 mil he received to around $2.5B if it was all in the market. Trump was worth $3.1B (according to Forbes) before the pandemic, but now he's worth $2.1B b/c of the Pandemic effects. Most likely will go back to what it was before.

So I mean, he has outperformed the market with his real estate holdings if you disregard this pandemic.

Incompetence my ass, lol..
I’m sure this tax avoidance was done by the hands of extremely competent lawyers, under the employ of the Trumps..
Tax lawyers are a thing, and it just sounds to me like the Trumps hired really good ones Wink

Id do the same thing.. Get out of paying all taxes legally possible.. whatever keeps more money between tax lawyers and taxes, choose the lesser..
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August 17, 2020, 03:51:41 AM
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Probably incompetence, but I mean more in regards to like - I highly doubt that the Trumps are the first people to do this (if all of the allegations are true) -- I also doubt that they're going to be the last ones to do so. An excuse to this could be that it is very expensive for NYS DTF and the IRS to go after this, but like, this is where the money is so wouldn't it be a net gain to be doing this and going against the rich people?

Rich people have expensive lawyers and the government has limited resources so it has to pick and choose. Which somewhat ironically means the biggest white-collar criminals often get away while someone who forgot to put a $5000 stock sale on their tax return may get the book thrown at them.

NY Times have him inheriting around half a billion from his Dad and the real estate empire. He's worth a couple more billion then that now, so I wouldn't say that he's just not successful. Guy did do pretty well for himself throughout the years with his real estate holdings.

Given how he misrepresented his wealth over the years I doubt "billions" is true. Properties are likely mortgaged up the wazoo and money spent on fake tans. This has the advantage of being able to walk away and leave the banks holding the bags, like he did with his multiple bankruptcies.

BTW S&P 500 went up more than fivefold in the last 30 years so there's that too. Pro tip for when you inherit half a billion  Wink

True in regards to the expensive lawyers and such, totally can't fight ya on that one. Makes it a lot more expensive for the government, and I highly doubt that Congress is going to allocate tons of money to catching rich people. They'd most likely lobby for that unit to get like nothing and no one would ever know.

But back to the Trump side of things. S&P has gone up five fold so that would put the $500 mil he received to around $2.5B if it was all in the market. Trump was worth $3.1B (according to Forbes) before the pandemic, but now he's worth $2.1B b/c of the Pandemic effects. Most likely will go back to what it was before.

So I mean, he has outperformed the market with his real estate holdings if you disregard this pandemic.

The Forbes list is notoriously inaccurate and rich people get caught lying and pulling tricks to get on it all the time, including Trump.

Even if you assume the list is right and he's not actually a fish over the past 50 years....it's just barely.



Id do the same thing.. Get out of paying all taxes legally possible.. whatever keeps more money between tax lawyers and taxes, choose the lesser..
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Legally? Yeah. I would definitely never donate money to the government.

Nobody is criticizing Trump for not donating money to the government. (he actually is donating his salary now...I wonder if he can write that off the same as if it were charity)

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Id do the same thing.. Get out of paying all taxes legally possible.. whatever keeps more money between tax lawyers and taxes, choose the lesser..
Wouldn’t you?
Legally? Yeah. I would definitely never donate money to the government.

Nobody is criticizing Trump for not donating money to the government. (he actually is donating his salary now...I wonder if he can write that off the same as if it were charity)

Pretty sure every single one of us here would try to get out as of much taxes as possible. No reason to pay more then needed. Government isn't going to nicely correct your taxes especially if your someone in Trumps situation, where most of your tax information is compiled by you instead of just being sent to the government through a simple W-2 and some 1099's

He is donating his salary to various causes, not sure if they're charities by law so he may not be able to deduct it from his return. Cause ya know, donating to the national parks service is possible but I don't think they're a charity.

Isn't everything he's done legal up until they find him guilty for doing so? LOL.




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Oh no... Trump caught lying again  Roll Eyes

The Forbes list is notoriously inaccurate and rich people get caught lying and pulling tricks to get on it all the time, including Trump.

Even if you assume the list is right and he's not actually a fish over the past 50 years....it's just barely.


And this headline does not bode well for Trump either but polls are polls, what will really happen on the night the voting starts?: Post-ABC poll shows Biden, Harris hold double-digit lead over Trump, Pence

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^^^ Here's your answer, from Breitbart, no less... one of the few uncorrupt media.


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"My biggest opponent isn't Biden. It's not the Democrats. It's the corrupt media," Trump said. "We have a corrupt media in this country."

During the interview, the president spoke about the media and recalled his daily press conferences with White House reporters.

"I keep saying to my people here I am getting bombs thrown at me every day by people that are totally, frankly, dishonest reporters. … They're espousing the views of the radical left," he said.

Trump credited his daily press conferences for helping boost his polls and said that biased reporters "make our people angrier."

"I have these people, there's fire out of their eyes coming. They're asking me questions, and I see the fire is burning in their eyes, and I'm looking at some of them. I said, 'Boy, how can you have so much hatred?'" he said.

Trump also said that Biden continues to hide in his basement to avoid the media.


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I won't blame Joe Biden for this because he doesn't know what's going on and he just listens to his campaign staffers, but who on Joe Biden's campaign thought it was a good idea to do an interview with Cardi B?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/cardi-b-joe-biden-voter-outreach/index.html

And it's not like she admitted to drugging men and robbing them or has gang affiliation with the bloods or anything.

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I won't blame Joe Biden for this because he doesn't know what's going on and he just listens to his campaign staffers, but who on Joe Biden's campaign thought it was a good idea to do an interview with Cardi B?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/cardi-b-joe-biden-voter-outreach/index.html

And it's not like she admitted to drugging men and robbing them or has gang affiliation with the bloods or anything.

I'm guessing the goal was to reach 18-24 year olds who don't follow politics and convince them to vote.  I don't think her past really matters in terms of the election.

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August 19, 2020, 01:13:58 AM
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I won't blame Joe Biden for this because he doesn't know what's going on and he just listens to his campaign staffers, but who on Joe Biden's campaign thought it was a good idea to do an interview with Cardi B?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/cardi-b-joe-biden-voter-outreach/index.html

And it's not like she admitted to drugging men and robbing them or has gang affiliation with the bloods or anything.

I'm guessing the goal was to reach 18-24 year olds who don't follow politics and convince them to vote.  I don't think her past really matters in terms of the election.

Her past may not matter in regards to the 18-24 year old women who like her music, but it does matter to that age group of people when it comes to guys who lean to the right. Pretty sure it's a pretty common thing among those in conservative younger guy circles to rag on her for being indicative of a double standard.

Not a fan of her, and not a fan of a politician having an interview with an interview with her.

But ugh -- yeah I guess this is somewhat an outreach program.

I thought we learned that no one, in the grand scheme of things, really cares about endorsements from celebrities.




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August 19, 2020, 07:35:11 AM
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I won't blame Joe Biden for this because he doesn't know what's going on and he just listens to his campaign staffers, but who on Joe Biden's campaign thought it was a good idea to do an interview with Cardi B?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/cardi-b-joe-biden-voter-outreach/index.html

And it's not like she admitted to drugging men and robbing them or has gang affiliation with the bloods or anything.

I'm guessing the goal was to reach 18-24 year olds who don't follow politics and convince them to vote.  I don't think her past really matters in terms of the election.


I guess so. Younger people do not vote as often but it seems like the Biden campaign was scrapping the bottom of the barrel by going for Cardi B. She has zero involvement in politics.


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August 19, 2020, 09:44:04 AM
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I won't blame Joe Biden for this because he doesn't know what's going on and he just listens to his campaign staffers, but who on Joe Biden's campaign thought it was a good idea to do an interview with Cardi B?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/cardi-b-joe-biden-voter-outreach/index.html

And it's not like she admitted to drugging men and robbing them or has gang affiliation with the bloods or anything.

I'm guessing the goal was to reach 18-24 year olds who don't follow politics and convince them to vote.  I don't think her past really matters in terms of the election.


I guess so. Younger people do not vote as often but it seems like the Biden campaign was scrapping the bottom of the barrel by going for Cardi B. She has zero involvement in politics.



She supported Bernie and did a couple interviews with him, read an excerpt of that Michael Wolf book with Hillary Clinton, has been criticizing/insulting Trump and republicans pretty regularly for years and I think she said she's thinking about running for congress some day (she's offensive, pisses people off and has a shady past, so obviously that could never happen).


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I won't blame Joe Biden for this because he doesn't know what's going on and he just listens to his campaign staffers, but who on Joe Biden's campaign thought it was a good idea to do an interview with Cardi B?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/cardi-b-joe-biden-voter-outreach/index.html

And it's not like she admitted to drugging men and robbing them or has gang affiliation with the bloods or anything.
Anyone considering to vote for Biden should read the lyrics of her song WEX and consider if you want to vote for someone who is associating with someone like Cardi B.

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August 19, 2020, 04:59:32 PM
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I won't blame Joe Biden for this because he doesn't know what's going on and he just listens to his campaign staffers, but who on Joe Biden's campaign thought it was a good idea to do an interview with Cardi B?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/cardi-b-joe-biden-voter-outreach/index.html

And it's not like she admitted to drugging men and robbing them or has gang affiliation with the bloods or anything.
Anyone considering to vote for Biden should read the lyrics of her song WEX and consider if you want to vote for someone who is associating with someone like Cardi B.

I think you mean WAP (wet ass pussy), it's a song that's over the top offensive about women using men as objects to perform oral sex on them.

It's pretty crazy to see Trump supporters (not singling you out QS, there are lots) criticizing Biden for doing an interview with someone who has offensive, not politically correct lyrics.  I thought you guys hated the whole idea of being politically correct.

And it's not like Biden and Cardi B are actually pals.

Kid Rock and Trump are though:



Balls in your Mouth
by Kid Rock
Code:
Cruising through town in my jacked up truck
Eyes open 'cause I'm scopin for a big butt slut
One that I can take straight back to my house
And have suck my dick and put my balls in her mouth
Now get, get with it looked across the street
Seen a slimmy in a skirt bopping to the beat
So I capped up my forty threw it under my seat
Rolled up on the freak and I started to speak
But before I could she go grabbed my dick
Licked her lips and started talking that porno shit
She said "look here I know our kid rock"
Then whispered in my ear "I want to swallow your cock"
Well blow me up then blow me down
'Cause I think I just found the biggest freak in town
And now I can't wait to get her back to my house
Set her on her knees and put my balls in her mouth
Balls in your mouth
Balls in your mouth
"you want my balls in your mouth?"
Back to my crib with no delay
Big grin on my grill and not much to say
Except hey yo bitch how's about
I drop my drawers and put my ballis in your mouth?
Then it was like straight out of a porn
She dropped to her knees and started blowing my horn
And after that without no doubt
She opened up wide and put my balls in her mouth
Next to cutie started rubbing my back
She put her finger right between my booty crack
So I grabbed her wrist quick and said hold up slut
"Ain't Nobody sticking nothing in my butt"
Now right then I knew I had a ho and a half
And all that I could do is sit back and laugh
Stare at the ceiling thinking about
This chick I just met's got my balls in her mouth

He's also said some really nice things about Kanye West.



Here are some of his lyrics:

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Fuck you and your Hampton house/ I’ll f--k your Hampton spouse/ Came on her Hampton blouse/ And in her Hampton mouth

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Gave her a handshake only for my man’s sake/ She in her birthday suit cause of the damn cake/ Now there’s crumbs all over the damn place/ And she want me to come all over her damn face

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In that pussy so deep I could have drowned twice/ Rose gold Jesus piece with the brown ice/ Eating good, vegetarian with the brown rice/ Girls kissing girls, cause it's hot, right?/ But unless they use a strap-on then they not dykes

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Now if I fuck this model/ And she just bleached her asshle/ And I get bleach on my T-shirt/ I’mma feel like an asshole






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