[BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon

[suchmoon]

Probably incompetence, but I mean more in regards to like - I highly doubt that the Trumps are the first people to do this (if all of the allegations are true) -- I also doubt that they're going to be the last ones to do so. An excuse to this could be that it is very expensive for NYS DTF and the IRS to go after this, but like, this is where the money is so wouldn't it be a net gain to be doing this and going against the rich people?

Rich people have expensive lawyers and the government has limited resources so it has to pick and choose. Which somewhat ironically means the biggest white-collar criminals often get away while someone who forgot to put a $5000 stock sale on their tax return may get the book thrown at them.

NY Times have him inheriting around half a billion from his Dad and the real estate empire. He's worth a couple more billion then that now, so I wouldn't say that he's just not successful. Guy did do pretty well for himself throughout the years with his real estate holdings.

Given how he misrepresented his wealth over the years I doubt "billions" is true. Properties are likely mortgaged up the wazoo and money spent on fake tans. This has the advantage of being able to walk away and leave the banks holding the bags, like he did with his multiple bankruptcies.

BTW S&P 500 went up more than fivefold in the last 30 years so there's that too. Pro tip for when you inherit half a billion  

[squatz1]

Probably incompetence, but I mean more in regards to like - I highly doubt that the Trumps are the first people to do this (if all of the allegations are true) -- I also doubt that they're going to be the last ones to do so. An excuse to this could be that it is very expensive for NYS DTF and the IRS to go after this, but like, this is where the money is so wouldn't it be a net gain to be doing this and going against the rich people?

Rich people have expensive lawyers and the government has limited resources so it has to pick and choose. Which somewhat ironically means the biggest white-collar criminals often get away while someone who forgot to put a $5000 stock sale on their tax return may get the book thrown at them.

NY Times have him inheriting around half a billion from his Dad and the real estate empire. He's worth a couple more billion then that now, so I wouldn't say that he's just not successful. Guy did do pretty well for himself throughout the years with his real estate holdings.

Given how he misrepresented his wealth over the years I doubt "billions" is true. Properties are likely mortgaged up the wazoo and money spent on fake tans. This has the advantage of being able to walk away and leave the banks holding the bags, like he did with his multiple bankruptcies.

BTW S&P 500 went up more than fivefold in the last 30 years so there's that too. Pro tip for when you inherit half a billion  

True in regards to the expensive lawyers and such, totally can't fight ya on that one. Makes it a lot more expensive for the government, and I highly doubt that Congress is going to allocate tons of money to catching rich people. They'd most likely lobby for that unit to get like nothing and no one would ever know.

But back to the Trump side of things. S&P has gone up five fold so that would put the $500 mil he received to around $2.5B if it was all in the market. Trump was worth $3.1B (according to Forbes) before the pandemic, but now he's worth $2.1B b/c of the Pandemic effects. Most likely will go back to what it was before.

So I mean, he has outperformed the market with his real estate holdings if you disregard this pandemic.

[eddie13]

Probably incompetence, but I mean more in regards to like - I highly doubt that the Trumps are the first people to do this (if all of the allegations are true) -- I also doubt that they're going to be the last ones to do so. An excuse to this could be that it is very expensive for NYS DTF and the IRS to go after this, but like, this is where the money is so wouldn't it be a net gain to be doing this and going against the rich people?

Rich people have expensive lawyers and the government has limited resources so it has to pick and choose. Which somewhat ironically means the biggest white-collar criminals often get away while someone who forgot to put a $5000 stock sale on their tax return may get the book thrown at them.

NY Times have him inheriting around half a billion from his Dad and the real estate empire. He's worth a couple more billion then that now, so I wouldn't say that he's just not successful. Guy did do pretty well for himself throughout the years with his real estate holdings.

Given how he misrepresented his wealth over the years I doubt "billions" is true. Properties are likely mortgaged up the wazoo and money spent on fake tans. This has the advantage of being able to walk away and leave the banks holding the bags, like he did with his multiple bankruptcies.

BTW S&P 500 went up more than fivefold in the last 30 years so there's that too. Pro tip for when you inherit half a billion  

True in regards to the expensive lawyers and such, totally can't fight ya on that one. Makes it a lot more expensive for the government, and I highly doubt that Congress is going to allocate tons of money to catching rich people. They'd most likely lobby for that unit to get like nothing and no one would ever know.

But back to the Trump side of things. S&P has gone up five fold so that would put the $500 mil he received to around $2.5B if it was all in the market. Trump was worth $3.1B (according to Forbes) before the pandemic, but now he's worth $2.1B b/c of the Pandemic effects. Most likely will go back to what it was before.

So I mean, he has outperformed the market with his real estate holdings if you disregard this pandemic.

Incompetence my ass, lol..
I’m sure this tax avoidance was done by the hands of extremely competent lawyers, under the employ of the Trumps..
Tax lawyers are a thing, and it just sounds to me like the Trumps hired really good ones

Id do the same thing.. Get out of paying all taxes legally possible.. whatever keeps more money between tax lawyers and taxes, choose the lesser..
Wouldn’t you?

[TwitchySeal]

Probably incompetence, but I mean more in regards to like - I highly doubt that the Trumps are the first people to do this (if all of the allegations are true) -- I also doubt that they're going to be the last ones to do so. An excuse to this could be that it is very expensive for NYS DTF and the IRS to go after this, but like, this is where the money is so wouldn't it be a net gain to be doing this and going against the rich people?

Rich people have expensive lawyers and the government has limited resources so it has to pick and choose. Which somewhat ironically means the biggest white-collar criminals often get away while someone who forgot to put a $5000 stock sale on their tax return may get the book thrown at them.

NY Times have him inheriting around half a billion from his Dad and the real estate empire. He's worth a couple more billion then that now, so I wouldn't say that he's just not successful. Guy did do pretty well for himself throughout the years with his real estate holdings.

Given how he misrepresented his wealth over the years I doubt "billions" is true. Properties are likely mortgaged up the wazoo and money spent on fake tans. This has the advantage of being able to walk away and leave the banks holding the bags, like he did with his multiple bankruptcies.

BTW S&P 500 went up more than fivefold in the last 30 years so there's that too. Pro tip for when you inherit half a billion  

True in regards to the expensive lawyers and such, totally can't fight ya on that one. Makes it a lot more expensive for the government, and I highly doubt that Congress is going to allocate tons of money to catching rich people. They'd most likely lobby for that unit to get like nothing and no one would ever know.

But back to the Trump side of things. S&P has gone up five fold so that would put the $500 mil he received to around $2.5B if it was all in the market. Trump was worth $3.1B (according to Forbes) before the pandemic, but now he's worth $2.1B b/c of the Pandemic effects. Most likely will go back to what it was before.

So I mean, he has outperformed the market with his real estate holdings if you disregard this pandemic.

The Forbes list is notoriously inaccurate and rich people get caught lying and pulling tricks to get on it all the time, including Trump.

Even if you assume the list is right and he's not actually a fish over the past 50 years....it's just barely.

Id do the same thing.. Get out of paying all taxes legally possible.. whatever keeps more money between tax lawyers and taxes, choose the lesser..
Wouldn’t you?

Legally? Yeah. I would definitely never donate money to the government.

Nobody is criticizing Trump for not donating money to the government. (he actually is donating his salary now...I wonder if he can write that off the same as if it were charity)

[squatz1]

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Id do the same thing.. Get out of paying all taxes legally possible.. whatever keeps more money between tax lawyers and taxes, choose the lesser..
Wouldn’t you?

Legally? Yeah. I would definitely never donate money to the government.

Nobody is criticizing Trump for not donating money to the government. (he actually is donating his salary now...I wonder if he can write that off the same as if it were charity)

Pretty sure every single one of us here would try to get out as of much taxes as possible. No reason to pay more then needed. Government isn't going to nicely correct your taxes especially if your someone in Trumps situation, where most of your tax information is compiled by you instead of just being sent to the government through a simple W-2 and some 1099's

He is donating his salary to various causes, not sure if they're charities by law so he may not be able to deduct it from his return. Cause ya know, donating to the national parks service is possible but I don't think they're a charity.

Isn't everything he's done legal up until they find him guilty for doing so? LOL.

[JollyGood]

Oh no... Trump caught lying again  

The Forbes list is notoriously inaccurate and rich people get caught lying and pulling tricks to get on it all the time, including Trump.

Even if you assume the list is right and he's not actually a fish over the past 50 years....it's just barely.

And this headline does not bode well for Trump either but polls are polls, what will really happen on the night the voting starts?: Post-ABC poll shows Biden, Harris hold double-digit lead over Trump, Pence

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/post-abc-poll-shows-biden-harris-hold-double-digit-lead-over-trump-pence/2020/08/16/d5c9c312-dfe6-11ea-8dd2-d07812bf00f7_story.html

[BADecker]

^^^ Here's your answer, from Breitbart, no less... one of the few uncorrupt media.


Donald Trump: 'My Biggest Opponent' Is 'Corrupt Media,' Not Joe Biden

"My biggest opponent isn't Biden. It's not the Democrats. It's the corrupt media," Trump said. "We have a corrupt media in this country."

During the interview, the president spoke about the media and recalled his daily press conferences with White House reporters.

"I keep saying to my people here I am getting bombs thrown at me every day by people that are totally, frankly, dishonest reporters. … They're espousing the views of the radical left," he said.

Trump credited his daily press conferences for helping boost his polls and said that biased reporters "make our people angrier."

"I have these people, there's fire out of their eyes coming. They're asking me questions, and I see the fire is burning in their eyes, and I'm looking at some of them. I said, 'Boy, how can you have so much hatred?'" he said.

Trump also said that Biden continues to hide in his basement to avoid the media.

[Gyfts]

I won't blame Joe Biden for this because he doesn't know what's going on and he just listens to his campaign staffers, but who on Joe Biden's campaign thought it was a good idea to do an interview with Cardi B?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/cardi-b-joe-biden-voter-outreach/index.html

And it's not like she admitted to drugging men and robbing them or has gang affiliation with the bloods or anything.

[TwitchySeal]

I won't blame Joe Biden for this because he doesn't know what's going on and he just listens to his campaign staffers, but who on Joe Biden's campaign thought it was a good idea to do an interview with Cardi B?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/cardi-b-joe-biden-voter-outreach/index.html

And it's not like she admitted to drugging men and robbing them or has gang affiliation with the bloods or anything.

I'm guessing the goal was to reach 18-24 year olds who don't follow politics and convince them to vote.  I don't think her past really matters in terms of the election.

[squatz1]

I won't blame Joe Biden for this because he doesn't know what's going on and he just listens to his campaign staffers, but who on Joe Biden's campaign thought it was a good idea to do an interview with Cardi B?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/cardi-b-joe-biden-voter-outreach/index.html

And it's not like she admitted to drugging men and robbing them or has gang affiliation with the bloods or anything.

I'm guessing the goal was to reach 18-24 year olds who don't follow politics and convince them to vote.  I don't think her past really matters in terms of the election.

Her past may not matter in regards to the 18-24 year old women who like her music, but it does matter to that age group of people when it comes to guys who lean to the right. Pretty sure it's a pretty common thing among those in conservative younger guy circles to rag on her for being indicative of a double standard.

Not a fan of her, and not a fan of a politician having an interview with an interview with her.

But ugh -- yeah I guess this is somewhat an outreach program.

I thought we learned that no one, in the grand scheme of things, really cares about endorsements from celebrities.

[Gyfts]

I won't blame Joe Biden for this because he doesn't know what's going on and he just listens to his campaign staffers, but who on Joe Biden's campaign thought it was a good idea to do an interview with Cardi B?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/cardi-b-joe-biden-voter-outreach/index.html

And it's not like she admitted to drugging men and robbing them or has gang affiliation with the bloods or anything.

I'm guessing the goal was to reach 18-24 year olds who don't follow politics and convince them to vote.  I don't think her past really matters in terms of the election.

I guess so. Younger people do not vote as often but it seems like the Biden campaign was scrapping the bottom of the barrel by going for Cardi B. She has zero involvement in politics.

[TwitchySeal]

I won't blame Joe Biden for this because he doesn't know what's going on and he just listens to his campaign staffers, but who on Joe Biden's campaign thought it was a good idea to do an interview with Cardi B?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/cardi-b-joe-biden-voter-outreach/index.html

And it's not like she admitted to drugging men and robbing them or has gang affiliation with the bloods or anything.

I'm guessing the goal was to reach 18-24 year olds who don't follow politics and convince them to vote.  I don't think her past really matters in terms of the election.

I guess so. Younger people do not vote as often but it seems like the Biden campaign was scrapping the bottom of the barrel by going for Cardi B. She has zero involvement in politics.

She supported Bernie and did a couple interviews with him, read an excerpt of that Michael Wolf book with Hillary Clinton, has been criticizing/insulting Trump and republicans pretty regularly for years and I think she said she's thinking about running for congress some day (she's offensive, pisses people off and has a shady past, so obviously that could never happen).

[Quickseller]

I won't blame Joe Biden for this because he doesn't know what's going on and he just listens to his campaign staffers, but who on Joe Biden's campaign thought it was a good idea to do an interview with Cardi B?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/cardi-b-joe-biden-voter-outreach/index.html

And it's not like she admitted to drugging men and robbing them or has gang affiliation with the bloods or anything.

Anyone considering to vote for Biden should read the lyrics of her song WEX and consider if you want to vote for someone who is associating with someone like Cardi B.

[TwitchySeal]

I won't blame Joe Biden for this because he doesn't know what's going on and he just listens to his campaign staffers, but who on Joe Biden's campaign thought it was a good idea to do an interview with Cardi B?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/cardi-b-joe-biden-voter-outreach/index.html

And it's not like she admitted to drugging men and robbing them or has gang affiliation with the bloods or anything.

Anyone considering to vote for Biden should read the lyrics of her song WEX and consider if you want to vote for someone who is associating with someone like Cardi B.

I think you mean WAP (wet ass pussy), it's a song that's over the top offensive about women using men as objects to perform oral sex on them.

It's pretty crazy to see Trump supporters (not singling you out QS, there are lots) criticizing Biden for doing an interview with someone who has offensive, not politically correct lyrics.  I thought you guys hated the whole idea of being politically correct.

And it's not like Biden and Cardi B are actually pals.

Kid Rock and Trump are though:



Balls in your Mouth
by Kid Rock

Code:

Cruising through town in my jacked up truck
Eyes open 'cause I'm scopin for a big butt slut
One that I can take straight back to my house
And have suck my dick and put my balls in her mouth
Now get, get with it looked across the street
Seen a slimmy in a skirt bopping to the beat
So I capped up my forty threw it under my seat
Rolled up on the freak and I started to speak
But before I could she go grabbed my dick
Licked her lips and started talking that porno shit
She said "look here I know our kid rock"
Then whispered in my ear "I want to swallow your cock"
Well blow me up then blow me down
'Cause I think I just found the biggest freak in town
And now I can't wait to get her back to my house
Set her on her knees and put my balls in her mouth
Balls in your mouth
Balls in your mouth
"you want my balls in your mouth?"
Back to my crib with no delay
Big grin on my grill and not much to say
Except hey yo bitch how's about
I drop my drawers and put my ballis in your mouth?
Then it was like straight out of a porn
She dropped to her knees and started blowing my horn
And after that without no doubt
She opened up wide and put my balls in her mouth
Next to cutie started rubbing my back
She put her finger right between my booty crack
So I grabbed her wrist quick and said hold up slut
"Ain't Nobody sticking nothing in my butt"
Now right then I knew I had a ho and a half
And all that I could do is sit back and laugh
Stare at the ceiling thinking about
This chick I just met's got my balls in her mouth

He's also said some really nice things about Kanye West.



Here are some of his lyrics:

Fuck you and your Hampton house/ I’ll f--k your Hampton spouse/ Came on her Hampton blouse/ And in her Hampton mouth

Gave her a handshake only for my man’s sake/ She in her birthday suit cause of the damn cake/ Now there’s crumbs all over the damn place/ And she want me to come all over her damn face

In that pussy so deep I could have drowned twice/ Rose gold Jesus piece with the brown ice/ Eating good, vegetarian with the brown rice/ Girls kissing girls, cause it's hot, right?/ But unless they use a strap-on then they not dykes

Now if I fuck this model/ And she just bleached her asshle/ And I get bleach on my T-shirt/ I’mma feel like an asshole

So what gives?

[PrimeNumber7]

WAP is an especially raunchy song. Worse than either of anything Kid Rock or West has written. Pop culture is overall trashy.

I would rather that Biden voters consider Planned Parenthood, and the reasons it was founded. The founder of PP, Margaret Sanger wanted to reduce the black population via abortions. This is why there are so many PP clinics in black neighborhoods. In fact the leading cause of deaths for black Americans is abortion, by a pretty large amount. The Democrats and Biden are in favor of increasing access to abortions including late term abortions.

There may be some reasonable reasons to have an abortion, but using it as a means of population control is just despicable. PP has disavowed Sanger, but their actions continue to match Sanger. 

This is basically what the Chinese are doing to the Uighurs.

[JollyGood]

I think you might be on to something there. So many youth are disaffected and every vote counts so maybe that was why the Biden team decided to do it.

If Trump did the same thing to reach out to say 18-24 year olds, who would he have the interview with?

I won't blame Joe Biden for this because he doesn't know what's going on and he just listens to his campaign staffers, but who on Joe Biden's campaign thought it was a good idea to do an interview with Cardi B?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/cardi-b-joe-biden-voter-outreach/index.html

And it's not like she admitted to drugging men and robbing them or has gang affiliation with the bloods or anything.

I'm guessing the goal was to reach 18-24 year olds who don't follow politics and convince them to vote.  I don't think her past really matters in terms of the election.

[TwitchySeal]

WAP is an especially raunchy song. Worse than either of anything Kid Rock or West has written.

It seems like you're going out of your way to defend Trump for the same thing that Biden is being criticized of.

'Balls in Your Mouth' and 'Wet Ass Pussy' are both intentionally offensive for the sake of being offensive and they're both about objectifying the opposite sex while performing various sex acts.  I feel like an old man typing this.

To be fair, Kid Rock does draw the line when he feels a finger near his booty crack, while Cardi B seems to really enjoy having a nose going up and down her booty crack 'like a credit card'

Next to cutie started rubbing my back
She put her finger right between my booty crack
So I grabbed her wrist quick and said hold up slut
"Ain't Nobody sticking nothing in my butt"
Now right then I knew I had a ho and a half
And all that I could do is sit back and laugh
Stare at the ceiling thinking about
This chick I just met's got my balls in her mouth

So I guess it's not unfair to say her song is more raunchy....but come on, they're both raunchy as hell and Biden did an interview over Zoom with Cardi B while Trump has Kid Rock over for long weekends at Maralago for 36 holes and who knows what?

My only point really is that it's just terribly clear that stupid issues like rude lyrics written by the woman interviewing him don't really matter, you're just looking for something, anything, to use as an example of him being bad.  And if even more ironically, right now I'm saying to you the same thing that republicans have been saying to Democrats for the past 4 years.  The only difference is Biden has basically kept his head down and avoided controversy.

[dupeddonk]

WAP is an especially raunchy song. Worse than either of anything Kid Rock or West has written.

It seems like you're going out of your way to defend Trump for the same thing that Biden is being criticized of.

'Balls in Your Mouth' and 'Wet Ass Pussy' are both intentionally offensive for the sake of being offensive and they're both about objectifying the opposite sex while performing various sex acts.  I feel like an old man typing this.

To be fair, Kid Rock does draw the line when he feels a finger near his booty crack, while Cardi B seems to really enjoy having a nose going up and down her booty crack 'like a credit card'

Next to cutie started rubbing my back
She put her finger right between my booty crack
So I grabbed her wrist quick and said hold up slut
"Ain't Nobody sticking nothing in my butt"
Now right then I knew I had a ho and a half
And all that I could do is sit back and laugh
Stare at the ceiling thinking about
This chick I just met's got my balls in her mouth

So I guess it's not unfair to say her song is more raunchy....but come on, they're both raunchy as hell and Biden did an interview over Zoom with Cardi B while Trump has Kid Rock over for long weekends at Maralago for 36 holes and who knows what?

My only point really is that it's just terribly clear that stupid issues like rude lyrics written by the woman interviewing him don't really matter, you're just looking for something, anything, to use as an example of him being bad.  And if even more ironically, right now I'm saying to you the same thing that republicans have been saying to Democrats for the past 4 years.  The only difference is Biden has basically kept his head down and avoided controversy.

someone make a meme 

trump 2020
bc cardi b has a filthy mouth

[suchmoon]

Anyone considering voting for a reality TV celebrity because the other candidate talked to a celebrity of some sort really needs to get their priorities checked by a licensed professional.

[squatz1]

Anyone considering voting for a reality TV celebrity because the other candidate talked to a celebrity of some sort really needs to get their priorities checked by a licensed professional.

LOL.

I'm really hoping that no one is going down that line of thinking, though I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Important to note that (both?) celebrities in question have credible allegations for sexual assault and such. So take that as you will.

Little different to vote for one of these people compared to just voting for someone that talked to this celebrity. But ya know, politics is interesting.