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October 21, 2020, 07:34:16 PM
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Based on the publicly available information, there appears to be more than probable cause to support that the Biden Trump family has broken public corruption laws. In other words, there is a predicate to open an investigation.





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October 21, 2020, 08:05:58 PM
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If you were referring to the Russia investigation, there was no predicate to start the investigation.

The predicate was when a Trump campaign advisor told an Australian diplomat that Russia had politically damaging material on Clinton.  He was referring to the hacked DNC emails that were released on the same day as the 'grab them by the pussy' tapes.  

The investigation revealed the previously unknown details of how Russia influenced the campaign to benefit Trump and the multiple connections between members of the Trump campaign (many now convicted felons) and Russia.  As I've said before, you really should read it if you want to have an informed opinion.  In addition to the executive summary, Volume 1 -  Section 4 is a good place to start: https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

There's also an IG report that found the investigation was not influenced by any political bias, and the reason for opening it was valid, which isn't surprising considering the fact that Obama always distanced himself whenever possible from any DOJ or law enforcement decisions.  Here's the IG report: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6571581/IG-Report-Exec-Summary.pdf

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October 21, 2020, 08:20:50 PM
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Is it a fair take to say that I think both sides are attacking eachother on things that may actually not end up being as bad as they seem at all?

Seems like Team Trump is attacking Biden with the NYPost story about Hunter Biden using his fathers influence to make money for the two of them. Biden has obviously denied this story

Some on the left are pushing this story about Trump, and the Trump family, selling their influence to the Chinese and that Trump has this crazy Chinese bank account.

This is going to be an interesting next 2 weeks or so.




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October 21, 2020, 10:58:27 PM
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By mental illness I’m not referring to physical ailments as mentioned above. I’m talking about the crazy gender neutral creatures I see who are offended by pronouns.

Oh, my mistake, for I truly thought you were talking about neurobiological disorders akin to mental illness and not taking a potshot at the small percentage of those with sexual orientations not in alignment with your own. How awful that must be for you. Have you considered designating some sort of safe space for yourself when the going gets too tough?



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October 21, 2020, 11:22:03 PM
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By mental illness I’m not referring to physical ailments as mentioned above. I’m talking about the crazy gender neutral creatures I see who are offended by pronouns.

Oh, my mistake, for I truly thought you were talking about neurobiological disorders akin to mental illness and not taking a potshot at the small percentage of those with sexual orientations not in alignment with your own. How awful that must be for you. Have you considered designating some sort of safe space for yourself when the going gets too tough?



In other news, the party of Family Values is going to have a rough rest of the week; possibly month, and year.

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"I only later realized it must have been Sacha Baron Cohen. I thought about all the people he previously fooled and I felt good about myself because he didn't get me..."





If this was the Republican party of the 90's pre Clinton scandal, and then the rest of the GOP having their sex scandals, I'd agree with the assumption that this may do anything. Though I think the GOP of this age has evolved to not really care about sex scandals. Depends on your level on the party and what you've said as a person. Which is an obvious part as these are still case by case.

In regards to Giuliani though, I think we all know that he is NOT a bible spewing conservative. Guy went through a pretty nasty divorce (maybe multiple) that was very public.

Can't wait for the movie to come out though, lol.




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October 22, 2020, 06:22:58 PM
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By mental illness I’m not referring to physical ailments as mentioned above. I’m talking about the crazy gender neutral creatures I see who are offended by pronouns.

Oh, my mistake, for I truly thought you were talking about neurobiological disorders akin to mental illness and not taking a potshot at the small percentage of those with sexual orientations not in alignment with your own. How awful that must be for you. Have you considered designating some sort of safe space for yourself when the going gets too tough?

If there's one person on this forum who doesn't need a safe space...  LOL

I hardly would describe anyone who doesn't have my sexual orientation to be "crazy gender neutral creatures I see who are offended by pronouns."  The homosexual people I know are quite aware of their gender and not offended when you call them a man for having a penis or a woman for having a vagina.  I don't believe I mentioned anything about sexual orientation at all, so you are getting offended by something you're making up in your own head.  Maybe you need the safe space from your own mind?

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If you were referring to the Russia investigation, there was no predicate to start the investigation.

The predicate was when a Trump campaign advisor told an Australian diplomat that Russia had politically damaging material on Clinton. 
I don’t think this is sufficient to open an investigation. The amount of lies told at bars is off the charts. If everything said at a bar were to be believed, investigations into everyone and their brother would be opened, and everyone would have a Nobel peace prize (not the participation kind that your side advocates for).



There are not any Chinese companies that need saving. They are all state sponsored entities whose purpose is to benefit the CCP and steal IP/technology from the West.

Trump also already made a fortune as a private citizen, he didn’t need to become president to get rich. Biden on the other hand left public service with multiple mansions after spending his career on a ~120k/year salary; a good salary but probably not enough to pay for the kind of lifestyle he is living.

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By mental illness I’m not referring to physical ailments as mentioned above. I’m talking about the crazy gender neutral creatures I see who are offended by pronouns.

Oh, my mistake, for I truly thought you were talking about neurobiological disorders akin to mental illness and not taking a potshot at the small percentage of those with sexual orientations not in alignment with your own. How awful that must be for you. Have you considered designating some sort of safe space for yourself when the going gets too tough?

If there's one person on this forum who doesn't need a safe space...  LOL

I hardly would describe anyone who doesn't have my sexual orientation to be "crazy gender neutral creatures I see who are offended by pronouns."  The homosexual people I know are quite aware of their gender and not offended when you call them a man for having a penis or a woman for having a vagina.  I don't believe I mentioned anything about sexual orientation at all, so you are getting offended by something you're making up in your own head.  Maybe you need the safe space from your own mind?

Transphobia today is what Homophobia was 20 years ago.  (Yes I understand the differences between the two, I mean the way they're treated)


If you were referring to the Russia investigation, there was no predicate to start the investigation.

The predicate was when a Trump campaign advisor told an Australian diplomat that Russia had politically damaging material on Clinton.
I don’t think this is sufficient to open an investigation. The amount of lies told at bars is off the charts. If everything said at a bar were to be believed, investigations into everyone and their brother would be opened, and everyone would have a Nobel peace prize (not the participation kind that your side advocates for).
Are you saying the FBI should assume anything said in a bar is a lie (even though in this case it was not)?   Give me a break.  You have to look at tons of other factors to determine if the information is credible.  In this case, we now know it was.

everyone and their brother would be opened, and everyone would have a Nobel peace prize (not the participation kind that your side advocates for).

Not sure what you're saying here (other than 'my side is good, yours is bad) I don't see what investigating claims made in bars has to do with the Nobel Prize and I think they only award the Nobel Peace Prize for one cause a year.  Sometimes it's shared between two people or organizations that contributed to the same cause, but it's not something they give out like candy.

Is this related to the World Food Program, which Hunter Biden used to be on the board for, winning the Nobel Peace Prize this year?

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Transphobia today is what Homophobia was 20 years ago.  

Both of these words are propaganda deflection terms.. 
Those who are the ones actually afraid of the lgbtq+++ agenda are those who stand by to accept the filthy degeneracy being pushed into the faces of our young children as a positive and "normal"..

Those who are NOT afraid will not cower down to it and will speak their mind, not being afraid to be labeled as "transphobic" and "homophobic"..
Anti-normalization of dangerous degeneracy, especially when it is pushed to children, is not fear, it is conviction..
Yes "dangerous" for many real physical and mental health risks..

In the big picture it is just one more tool of which to more easily enslave the people via disarming them of all strong morals and convictions..

I am all for your rights to fuck, dress, and act however you want, but I will not protect you from ridicule, idolize you for it, or pretend like it is a positive or good decision, especially to be pushed to children as it is now..
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After a Court ruled the Trump Foundation was being used inappropriately, the family should have felt ashamed but they carried on as if nothing happened. Trump was ordered to pay a $2 million settlement in November 2019 for misusing the foundation for his business and political purposes yet here he is still in office, at least until the elections take place.



If Barr were to appoint a special prosecutor, it would create another avenue in which the story would be thrust into the news.

Surely you're not suggesting a presidential nominees ties to a foreign country be investigated during the election, are you?  Because I thought you said that was treason or something.

In other news, I recently learned that the World Food Program was one of the non profits that Hunter Biden was on the board for and they won a Nobel Prize last week.  What a stark contrast to Trumps children (and himself) exploiting the Trump foundation for personal gain.  (they were forced to shut it down and they're now barred from running, or being on the board of any charity in the state of NY...I believe for life.

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Transphobia today is what Homophobia was 20 years ago.  

Both of these words are propaganda deflection terms..  

What term would you prefer to be used when describing people that think negatively of homosexuals and transgender people in general instead of homophobia and transphobia?

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What term to describe people that view homosexualsity negatively
Logical..

treat them like shit because they're gay
Asshole..
We should have the right to association and be free to disagree, which does not equate to "treat like shit"..


believe it was their decision to be gay or believe they have something wrong with them would you prefer?
Logical..
They either made the decision, or their is something wrong with them from an evolutionary/Darwinistic/mental health point of view..
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They either made the decision, or their is something wrong with them from an evolutionary/Darwinistic/mental health point of view..

Not true. Homosexuality exists because it is mandated by evolution, meaning evolution has dictated that a place for it exists. Its not a "problem" unique to human beings, either. Do you think gay lions also choose to be gay?

One of the psychiatrists I used to work for thinks that severe, organic mental illness like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder is also the result of evolution as it actually makes people seem sexually appealing to at least a portion of the population, however small it may be. Homosexuality is likely the same thing as counterintuitive as it may sound -- it provides some value to the survival of the species, perhaps from a communal standpoint. If it didn't it wouldn't exist.

Its not like they are incapable of breeding. That would be an example of an actual problem.





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Blacks who vote for Omnibus Crime Bill Biden and Kamala-the-Cop are equal in stupidity to whites who fancy that Trump will save them from brown people.  I suppose that they are all just Americans.

Hey, Biden-lovers, isn’t The Nation one of your favourite left-wing rags?


In the progressive modern world of Twitter-tier attention spans, nobody has a long enough memory to see these cheap political jobbers for what they are:  Tyrants of the lowest order, each and all, who only tell their fans what they want to hear for long enough to get the power to betray them.



I’ve lost track of this thread—well, I never kept track of it; but I do owe some brief replies here.  (Some of which I began to prepare a few days ago.)



Roosevelt’s Court Packing Scheme

How do you suppose that he got away with instant tyranny, as much as he wanted?  (For pedantic correctness:  Off the top of my head, I don’t know if the Roosevelt gold ban was one of the issues directly impacted by the court-stacking threat; but I do know that the Commerce Clause abuse that is nowadays institutionalized to Federalize everything did start with Roosevelt, for exactly that reason.  And your Supreme Court should have, and otherwise would have promptly torn up everything from Socialist Insecurity, to quotas imposed on how much farmers could grow, etc., etc.)

A president can't just pack the courts though.  His only real power is to stop them from being packed.  For the number of judges to change, you need enough of the 400+ members of the House that represent the entire country and are elected every 2 years to make it happen.  So, not really tyranny.

Why do you speak as if I were proposing some weird theory?  Roosevelt’s court packing scheme is so infamous that it is currently a Wikipedia redirect from “Court packing”!  (Just making a point; n.b. that I do not recommend “learning” about history or politics from Wikipedia.  (article))



Oh, also:

So, not really tyranny.

Do you suggest that if a democratic government follows some procedures, it cannot be tyranny? (!)

Vide:  Democracy in action!

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Yeah... What kind of goofball would think that the Supreme Court should lean towards constitutional conservatism?
Must’a been dropped on his head..

Needs some Marxist sympathizers on it to counter the libertarian principles that have been there, oh, since it’s formation roundabouts..
Better just take the system so it’s “fair” and all..

Vide:  Democracy in action!



Democracy Defined

And if you're threatening to change the number of justices on the court to use as a bargaining chip, that's literally undemocratic.

How is it literally undemocratic to pass a law that changes the number of justices on the supreme court?

How is it that “democratic” is implicitly equated with “good and justified”?

Democracy is the “ideal” that the lunatics should run the asylum.  But they can’t—which means that the most corrupt mass-manipulators rule over The Peeeeeeople.  So as for “government by the people”.

I agree with this:

Quote from: Dr. Oscar Levy, Preface to Anthony Ludovici’s “Nietzsche: His Life and Works” (London, 1910), pp. viii, xii.
Nietzsche may have been right, therefore he may be unsuccessful. [...] ...the driving power behind democracy is not a political one, it is religiousit is Christianity.

[...]

There [Napoleon] was another victim of democracy...  The mighty sword in the beginning and the mighty pen at the end of the last century [1800s] were alike impotent against—Fate.



The Oppression of “Gender”

By mental illness I’m not referring to physical ailments as mentioned above. I’m talking about the crazy gender neutral creatures I see who are offended by pronouns.

I am more offended by the bastardization of the English language.  I win at taking offence.  The liberals can never compete with my incontestable superiority at being offended by them.  (And nobody can compete with me for literary insults.)

Also, a message to Orwellian “liberals”:  Stop oppressing me.

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This is why I initially refused on principle to set my “gender” in my forum profile.  I don’t have a “gender”, in the ridiculous postmodern meaning which has been quite artfully constructed for that word.  I have a sex, and it is an innate, naturally unalterable part of who I am which I refuse to devalue by calling it a “gender”.

I find the term “gender” highly offensive!

...a thought-control exercise in the power of he who defines which I find deeply oppressive.  Think about it:  This is real oppression!
(And yes "they" is grammatically correct for referring to the singular, or so I've heard.)

No, it is not correct—outside the fantasies of the Newspeak Dictionary, Tenth Edition (or is it the Eleventh now?).

[...]

Back in the day—when people spoke English, in contradistinction to the bastardized postmodern cant used by degenerate anthropoids with pickled brains.

[...]

“Back in the day”, women customarily signed their letters with a parenthesized title so that others would know whether to apply “Mrs.” or “Miss”.  E.g., “Sincerely, Alice Smith (Mrs.)”.  Just sayin’...



Warning: Users of hallucinogenic substances are nuts!


Much though I despise you, I wouldn’t want to see anyone caught up in arguing seriously against someone who thinks that tripping on LSD is an experience comparable to taking a trip to France (!).  (+4 from suchmoon.)

In my experience, I have found that users of hallucinogens always have something subtly broken with their internal logic—even years later, and regardless of general intelligence or educational attainment.  Their judgment is irreparably compromised.  I would not waste my time discussing with them any fixed ideas that they may form, although I must occasionally correct some of their grossly wrong statements for other reasons.

I don’t necessarily dislike such people.  For a contrary example, one of my past girlfriends was an earnestly devoted woman, plus one of the most highly literate people of either sex whom I have ever yet had the pleasure of knowing.  She had dropped acid when she was a university student.  Despite her profound intellect and her sincere intentions, I found that in any matter that required incisively distinguishing reality from illusions, I could not trust her thought process.  Sadly.  Our intercourse on poetry and literature was amazing—as was “intercourse”.  But alas, I could never rely on her judgment.

I do suppose that if you drop enough acid, you can see as many “genders” as you want.



Neological Abortions

Transphobia today is what Homophobia was 20 years ago.

Both of these words are propaganda deflection terms..

Yes.  And both are also etymologically ridiculous.  “Homophobia” literally means ‘fear of sameness’, or perhaps ‘same fear’.  “Transphobia” means ‘across fear’, and is a bastardized hybrid mutt-word.

These neological abortions are typical of the calibre of minds that also produce such chimeras as “polyamory” and “sexology”—although both of these latter words identify real concepts, for which older, better words exist.  I will be cruel and leave the crowd in suspense, so as to avoid casting more pearls here.

Disclaimer:  Whereas Nietzsche was a doctor of philology, I am but an amateur.

Quote from: Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil, #260.
Everywhere that slave-morality gains the ascendancy, language shows a tendency to approximate the significations of the words “good” and “stupid.”

Like him, I am not nice.  I will admit that all that “gender” stuff is a nice theory, in the old-fashioned sense.

nice (adj.)

late 13c., "foolish, ignorant, frivolous, senseless," from Old French nice (12c.) "careless, clumsy; weak; poor, needy; simple, stupid, silly, foolish," from Latin nescius "ignorant, unaware," literally "not-knowing," from ne- "not" (from PIE root *ne- "not") + stem of scire "to know" (see science).

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Right. Anyway:

I'm thinking that Biden is going to win by a landslide.

Wanna bet me another 0.01? Or?

Can I take you up on this in theymos' place?

After reading the latest guffaw about Hunter Biden its apparent the Republicans are quite desperate, and I want in on the bet.





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I want in on the bet.

Uh... I thought you were?


I'm not a hodler -- I actually ....   so I can't do BTC.

Well what is one signature payment in BTC? I can wait a week after the close..
But what if it goes to $300k+? You would have to hodl it now.. ...
I could hodl some satoshis for you if you want..

OK, you have my word that I would honor this type of deal:

(I'm loaning you .01 so you can pay me .02)

With the same conditions as suchmoon. If Trump wins and I don't honor my repayment of 0.02 BTC everybody has permission to run my ass red. But I will repay because that's what I do.

Hell, let's up the stakes for me: I will pay you 0.025 if Trump wins the election (on suchmoon-based terms), seeing as how you are basically giving me a loan of 0.01 BTC.

Address:
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First transaction is from 9.29.14

Let me know what you think. I can sign a more specific message if you agree.

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Quote:
With the same conditions as suchmoon. If Trump wins and I don't honor my repayment of 0.02 BTC everybody has permission to run my ass red. But I will repay because that's what I do.

Hell, let's up the stakes for me: I will pay you [b]0.025[/b] if Trump wins the election (on suchmoon-based terms), seeing as how you are basically giving me a loan of 0.01 BTC.

Address:
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This is nutildah, signing an old-ass Counterparty address on 12/17 (12/16 for most of you still).
Signature:
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Original referenced terms:
suchmoon agrees to pay 0.1 BTC to eddie13 if Donald J Trump wins the 2020 US presidential election, and eddie13 agrees to pay 0.1 BTC to suchmoon if Donald J Trump does not win the 2020 US presidential election.

Decision logic:

Election result is considered decided by the Electoral College meeting. If the Electoral College elects Donald J Trump the president of the US following the 2020 US presidential election eddie13 wins the bet, in any other case suchmoon wins the bet except for the draw conditions listed below.

Conditions for a draw (neither side pays the other side):

    If there is no presidential election in 2020.
    If Donald J Trump is not on the ballot in at least 26 states.
    If the Electoral College doesn't meet by midnight January 31, 2021.

Additional terms:

    EC decision is final regardless of popular vote, pledged electors, unfaithful electors etc.
    No presidential election in 2020 (martial law, martians invading, etc) means a draw.
    Donald J Trump not running for any reason (primaried out, dead, impeached, etc) means a draw even if he wins via write-in.
    Any other candidate getting elected (democrat, republican, third party, etc) means suchmoon wins.
    If Donald J Trump is elected but doesn't get sworn in (dies, goes to prison, moves to Slovenia, etc) eddie13 wins.
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Accepted anyway but I can't find 19fZGJAsampH3UEMp5WroX3Y6eUU1tdA7B staked anywhere either..
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This is probably not the best time to be getting into an even money bet for Trump to win. The betting markets are pricing a ~2/3 chance that Biden will win.

Who knows if he will pay up if Trump wins, considering he apparently has forgotten that he placed his bet. SM probably will.

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October 26, 2020, 06:40:44 PM
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This is probably not the best time to be getting into an even money bet for Trump to win. The betting markets are pricing a ~2/3 chance that Biden will win.

Who knows if he will pay up if Trump wins, considering he apparently has forgotten that he placed his bet. SM probably will.

Was a theymos special offer..

Thought I was already on the hook with sm twitchy and nutildah..
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October 26, 2020, 07:31:34 PM
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Who knows if he will pay up if Trump wins, considering he apparently has forgotten that he placed his bet.

I _just_ offered to make the bet with him _yesterday_, idiot. Obviously I'm prepared to pay up.

Thought I was already on the hook with sm twitchy and nutildah..

You signed a message along with changed terms of the bet, noting that you were "just kidding" about your offer to TwitchySeal. My final offer was not confirmed or denied by you, which is why I thought the bet didn't go through. The message you signed doesn't include the part that you were to lend me 0.01 BTC at the time of the bet, which you never sent... Please go back and re-read the conversation.

I'll give you a redo on that if you want @nutildah to make it clear 1:1..

What I said about the whole loan thing was just kidding Twitchy trying to get him to sign a real staked address..
I'm starting to think that the concept of signing agreements is not as well spread as I had thought, or something..

Oh, well in that case let's just do 0.01 @ 1:1. I can definitely round that up in a year, regardless of what the price is.

Anyway, this last sentence (bolded) will serve as confirmation for me that the bet is on, as apparently it did to you all these months.






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October 26, 2020, 07:37:31 PM
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You and I have action, right eddie?  


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