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September 25, 2020, 06:10:56 PM
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I asked him something similar but he did not reply:

Is there any statistical data or projection to back up these claims? Do you a URL?

How and why does Biden winning mean the economy will go downhill and wages will decline or the livelihood of children will decline over their lifetime?

How and why does Biden winning mean US citizens lose money and freedoms?



This is false. If Trump wins, investments in your 401k are likely to continue to increase, as will your wages, and standard of living. If Biden wins, the economy will go to the shitter, real wages will decline, as will investments in your 401k. If you have children, their livelihoods over their lifetimes will decline.

If Trump wins, you will profit, and if Biden wins, you will lose a lot of money, and freedoms.


This is false. If Trump wins, investments in your 401k are likely to continue to increase, as will your wages, and standard of living. If Biden wins, the economy will go to the shitter, real wages will decline, as will investments in your 401k. If you have children, their livelihoods over their lifetimes will decline.

If Trump wins, you will profit, and if Biden wins, you will lose a lot of money, and freedoms.

Unless you have a crystal ball it's impossible for you to know any of this.  I would advise thinking twice before blindly believing what Trump has to say about what will happen in the future.  (or what happened in the past)

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September 27, 2020, 02:16:26 PM
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Not sure exactly what he has managed to achieve that can be classed as a success for the citizens of the USA.

SCOTUS judges
Isis
Iran deal
NAFTA
NATO
China
Obamacare fines
Had the economy booming before the China virus
Reduced regulations making businesses easier to start and run
Reduced taxes

Things were going excellently before Covid really, but the left has quite successfully blamed Covid on Trump and shut everything they can down to make trump look bad, even admitted in that aoc tweet before she deleted it..
Also inflating Covid numbers and deaths for maximum fear..

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September 27, 2020, 03:00:51 PM
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eddie the things you stated/listed as Trump successes mostly seem to be failures than successes.

I guess he could claim some credit for the economy before COVID-19 but he is a diplomatic failure on a colossal level.


Not sure exactly what he has managed to achieve that can be classed as a success for the citizens of the USA.

SCOTUS judges
Isis
Iran deal
NAFTA
NATO
China
Obamacare fines
Had the economy booming before the China virus
Reduced regulations making businesses easier to start and run
Reduced taxes

Things were going excellently before Covid really, but the left has quite successfully blamed Covid on Trump and shut everything they can down to make trump look bad, even admitted in that aoc tweet before she deleted it..
Also inflating Covid numbers and deaths for maximum fear..



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Things were going excellently before Covid really, but the left has quite successfully blamed Covid on Trump and shut everything they can down to make trump look bad, even admitted in that aoc tweet before she deleted it..

I keep hearing this defense, implying that the democrats are blaming Trump that the virus existed at all. Just to be clear, Trump is being blamed for the covid related decisions he made based on what he knew and when.  He's not being blamed 'for covid'.


and shut everything they can down to make trump look bad, even admitted in that aoc tweet before she deleted it..

The shutdowns are happening in pretty much every country in the world.

The aoc tweet you're referring to never existed.  Somebody photoshopped it and a Republican running for congress in FL shared it on facebook and people have been believing it ever since.  

"Fact check: A fake tweet claims AOC urged governors to shut down businesses to hurt Trump"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/14/fact-check-aoc-didnt-tweet-keeping-economy-shut-down/5352149002/



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September 27, 2020, 07:55:59 PM
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Also inflating Covid numbers and deaths for maximum fear..

No. If anything the deaths are undercounted. We hit 200k excess deaths (2020 compared to prior years) about a month before the official COVID-19 count reached 200k. I can't think of any reason why 200k extra people would be dying this year. Is AOC poisoning them or something?

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NYTimes got their eyes on a shitload of Trumps tax returns over past 20 years.

Haven't gotten through much of it yet, looks like it's gonna take a while.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes-timeline.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/27/us/trump-taxes-takeaways.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/27/us/trump-taxes-editors-note.html



(This is one of those times where I highly recommend reading the actual report by the journalists who did the research before falling for click bait or letting a Tim Pool explain it to you.   Just sayin.)


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September 27, 2020, 10:52:59 PM
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NYTimes got their eyes on a shitload of Trumps tax returns over past 20 years.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html

Been reading this for the last half hour... too fucking long, they should have made it a tweet.

Trump appears to have scammed the IRS for $73 million, or as trumpists would say - such an astute businessman, got the taxpayers to fund his fake billionaire lifestyle. Totally presidential.


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NYTimes got their eyes on a shitload of Trumps tax returns over past 20 years.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html

Been reading this for the last half hour... too fucking long, they should have made it a tweet.

Trump appears to have scammed the IRS for $73 million, or as trumpists would say - such an astute businessman, got the taxpayers to fund his fake billionaire lifestyle. Totally presidential.



Interactive timeline is cool: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes-timeline.html

Impressive how it wasn't your standard 'lied about my income' scam, it was a refund scam.  Gotta be brave to pull one of those.  Or stupid.

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(This is one of those times where I highly recommend reading the actual report by the journalists who did the research before falling for click bait

The N.Y. times right?? Yeah...
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NYTimes got their eyes on a shitload of Trumps tax returns over past 20 years.

It looks like the Chinese government was able to obtain Trump's returns and gave them to the NYTimes. The NYTimes claimed whoever gave them Trump's returns had "legal access" to them, however whoever gave the NYTimes Trump's alleged returns did not have the ability to legally access the returns in order to disclose them to a 3rd party, which casts doubt on their claim.

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September 28, 2020, 12:05:37 AM
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Impressive how it wasn't your standard 'lied about my income' scam

To be fair, paying $750 in income tax while pretending to be a billionaire probably involves lying about income too. Don't underestimate Trump's ability to scam in multiple ways.

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Watching the defensive talking points evolve over the next few days will be almost as fascinating as the report itself. I'm sure we'll find out that it's not true, and quite normal if true, and it's Hillary's fault.

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Watching the defensive talking points evolve over the next few days will be almost as fascinating as the report itself. I'm sure we'll find out that it's not true, and quite normal if true, and it's Hillary's fault.
I don't think there is anyone on the forum being paid to post Republican talking points. The same cannot be said for Democratic talking points.

I am curious as to how long the New York Time had this information. Did they sit on it for nearly the entire year since Trump's 2018 returns were due? If so, will the NYT be prosecuted the same way the enquirer was prosecuted for sitting on negative information about Trump for political purposes?

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(This is one of those times where I highly recommend reading the actual report by the journalists who did the research before falling for click bait

The N.Y. times right?? Yeah...

Its showing Trump to be the conniving shyster that any rational person (or anyone with at least a bit of brain stuck in their head.... which excludes most of his base....ever watched one of those rallies?)...knows that he is
 (regardless of party affiliation, btw), so it must be fake news....

suchmoons odds...etc...

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September 28, 2020, 12:36:21 AM
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I don't think there is anyone on the forum being paid to post Republican talking points. The same cannot be said for Democratic talking points.

I don't think I said there's someone paid to do so. I can totally believe that some people parrot Fox News for free.

I am curious as to how long the New York Time had this information. Did they sit on it for nearly the entire year since Trump's 2018 returns were due? If so, will the NYT be prosecuted the same way the enquirer was prosecuted for sitting on negative information about Trump for political purposes?

Good job. Keep avoiding the substance of the report until you find an excuse that works.

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September 28, 2020, 12:36:35 AM
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Watching the defensive talking points evolve over the next few days will be almost as fascinating as the report itself. I'm sure we'll find out that it's not true, and quite normal if true, and it's Hillary's fault.
I don't think there is anyone on the forum being paid to post Republican talking points. The same cannot be said for Democratic talking points.

I am curious as to how long the New York Time had this information. Did they sit on it for nearly the entire year since Trump's 2018 returns were due? If so, will the NYT be prosecuted the same way the enquirer was prosecuted for sitting on negative information about Trump for political purposes?

Why would the NYT be prosecuted? The NYT probably was sitting on his tax returns for a while, but good luck suing the NYT as a public figure. I'd be a worse look if Trump to sued the NYT over this.

Edit - To be clear, everyone knew Trump did not pay taxes back in 2016, so I don't actually think this will have any affect with voters. Billionaires do not get rich cutting checks to Uncle Sam, so there's that.

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September 28, 2020, 03:11:07 AM
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Trump double downs on request for drug testing prior to debate: 

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1310211120922230784

What are the odds we see candidates test positive for cocaine?  Roll Eyes

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September 28, 2020, 03:38:32 AM
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Edit - To be clear, everyone knew Trump did not pay taxes back in 2016, so I don't actually think this will have any affect with voters. Billionaires do not get rich cutting checks to Uncle Sam, so there's that.

I thought at least some of Trump's voters had this illusion that he's a successful businessman. This must be heartbreaking for them.

I'm also curious how he's gonna pay off that $100 million Trump Tower mortgage. Can't refinance - had no income for years. Can't expect to raise money by selling his money-losing businesses. Unless he lied to the IRS about one or more of these things, which would be seriously uncool.

Cherry on top - he sold his stock holdings by 2016... missed the stock market bubble he's bragging about so much LOL.

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September 28, 2020, 04:21:50 AM
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(This is one of those times where I highly recommend reading the actual report by the journalists who did the research before falling for click bait

The N.Y. times right?? Yeah...

Yeah.  Always putting their noses in the business of people in power.

Remember this one?  https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html

Why can't they just mind their own business instead of snitching on our publicly elected leaders?


To be clear, everyone knew Trump did not pay taxes back in 2016, so I don't actually think this will have any affect with voters. Billionaires do not get rich cutting checks to Uncle Sam, so there's that.

Is right wing media already trying to convince people that the NYT report was just about Trump not paying taxes back in 2016 and hey he's a billionaire so who cares?

Don't fall for it.  Read it for yourself.


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September 28, 2020, 04:47:51 AM
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(This is one of those times where I highly recommend reading the actual report by the journalists who did the research before falling for click bait

The N.Y. times right?? Yeah...

Yeah.  Always putting their noses in the business of people in power.

Remember this one?  https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html

Why can't they just mind their own business instead of snitching on our publicly elected leaders?


To be clear, everyone knew Trump did not pay taxes back in 2016, so I don't actually think this will have any affect with voters. Billionaires do not get rich cutting checks to Uncle Sam, so there's that.

Is right wing media already trying to convince people that the NYT report was just about Trump not paying taxes back in 2016 and hey he's a billionaire so who cares?

Don't fall for it.  Read it for yourself.



I can't read it, it's behind a paywall. I read the AP's write up, which probably left out key details but they certainly aren't right wing. Anyway, I wasn't under the impression that Trump paid federal income tax based on previous reporting by the NYT back in 2016, although he did pay something like 30 million in one year a while back.

Billionaires are not moral people. Only exception might be Bill Gates, but then again people think he's involved in population control, so you can't win even if you tried.

People are entitled to their deductions. They aren't entitled to tax evasion, so if there's evidence that Trump broke the law, he deserves penalty.

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