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February 28, 2015, 11:15:41 PM
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I just got a 15 unit batch of SP20's approximately 30 hours ago.  I absolutely love these rigs!!!  However, I am running into an issue with one rig.  It says, "LOOP[0] ON TO:0 (w:38)
0: disabled (Asic all engines fail BIST).

Bad ASIC. It may have been damaged during shipping, or it may just be a bad ASIC that slipped through QC. There's almost certainly nothing to be done besides replacing it. Spondoolies might be able to send you a replacement hashboard; you'd have to ask them.

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February 28, 2015, 11:18:35 PM
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Hi all,

I just got a 15 unit batch of SP20's approximately 30 hours ago.  I absolutely love these rigs!!!  However, I am running into an issue with one rig.  It says, "LOOP[0] ON TO:0 (w:38)
0: disabled (Asic all engines fail BIST).

I have IBM 2880W PSU's with breakout boards.  All of the others are running well on these IBM 2880W PSU's except for one I had problems connecting to last night [I will deal with it after I finish my new mining closet in the next couple of days].

I have replaced the PCI-e cord in port 1 of the SP20 and I've changed ports with a new cord on the breakout board.  Yet, it still says, "LOOP[0] ON TO:0 (w:38)
0: disabled (Asic all engines fail BIST)."

I was getting too sleepy last night to continue trouble shooting it.  If someone else has had this issue or has something to offer for me to try, please chime in.

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February 28, 2015, 11:18:52 PM
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I just got a 15 unit batch of SP20's approximately 30 hours ago.  I absolutely love these rigs!!!  However, I am running into an issue with one rig.  It says, "LOOP[0] ON TO:0 (w:38)
0: disabled (Asic all engines fail BIST).

Bad ASIC. It may have been damaged during shipping, or it may just be a bad ASIC that slipped through QC. There's almost certainly nothing to be done besides replacing it. Spondoolies might be able to send you a replacement hashboard; you'd have to ask them.

Thanks, I suppose I need to get in touch with someone then.  I have another rig that I cannot connect to at all.  I know I have the correct IP address on it but it will not let me communicate with it.  It just says the server will not let me connect to it.

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February 28, 2015, 11:27:16 PM
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Hi Everyone,

I have the same problem as mentioned below.  10 SP31 units have been held in US Customs in Cincinnati for the last four days. Emailed Spondoolies but haven't heard back yet.  Call into DHL and hope it can be resolved. 


quote author=elduderino link=topic=521520.msg9893125#msg9893125 date=1419032066]
Hey there,

I have kind of a funny story.

I ordered the 15 SP20 deal from the website and paid for it on the 5th.
Figured I'd saved bunch of money from the shipping.
I got a notice that it was shipped on the 10th.

From there it made it from Israel to Italy and Belgium on the 11th.
On the 12th, it went through London, UK and
on the 13th it left there, and made it to New York, NY on the 14th.

So far, so good.

From there:
14th,  arrived at DHL's hub in Cincinnati, OH
15th, Clearance event, Cincinnati, OH
16th, Customs status updated, Cincinnati, OH
17th, Clearance event, Cincinnati, OH
18th, Customs status updated, Cincinnati, OH

I got a call from someone at DHL, who said they needed some information (for customs, ostensibly).
I furnished the requested information, and the rep said I'd get it the next day (today).
Now, I got an email from the Phoenix, AZ office that it will probably be held up for 'customs' for 4-5 days

I ordered (and paid for) it on the 5th, and I MIGHT get it in time to be an unexpected Christmas gift.








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February 28, 2015, 11:31:47 PM
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Hi Everyone,

I have the same problem as mentioned below.  10 SP31 units have been held in US Customs in Cincinnati for the last four days. Emailed Spondoolies but haven't heard back yet.  Call into DHL and hope it can be resolved. 


quote author=elduderino link=topic=521520.msg9893125#msg9893125 date=1419032066]
Hey there,

I have kind of a funny story.

I ordered the 15 SP20 deal from the website and paid for it on the 5th.
Figured I'd saved bunch of money from the shipping.
I got a notice that it was shipped on the 10th.

From there it made it from Israel to Italy and Belgium on the 11th.
On the 12th, it went through London, UK and
on the 13th it left there, and made it to New York, NY on the 14th.

So far, so good.

From there:
14th,  arrived at DHL's hub in Cincinnati, OH
15th, Clearance event, Cincinnati, OH
16th, Customs status updated, Cincinnati, OH
17th, Clearance event, Cincinnati, OH
18th, Customs status updated, Cincinnati, OH

I got a call from someone at DHL, who said they needed some information (for customs, ostensibly).
I furnished the requested information, and the rep said I'd get it the next day (today).
Now, I got an email from the Phoenix, AZ office that it will probably be held up for 'customs' for 4-5 days

I ordered (and paid for) it on the 5th, and I MIGHT get it in time to be an unexpected Christmas gift.








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February 28, 2015, 11:42:43 PM
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Douglas County PUD is 1.85 cents per kWH.
Do you know something I don't? From what I know, 2014 rates in Douglas are 2.35 cents, or about 2.52 cents once you factor in demand charges. When I talked to them in person last June, they said that rate applies to anything up to 5 MW, after which you have to buy wholesale power from the Bonneville Power Administration exchange (which is more expensive).

http://www.douglaspud.org/Documents/Current%20Rates.pdf

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Hello.E-mail was sent as below on to sales@spondoolies-tech Feb 27th at about 7AM. Not blaming Spondoolies and am sure I'll hear something next week. DHL Will probably help me work it out.  Just wish we could avoid some of the shipping delays.  I would have thought DHL a would have contacted me as soon as the delay occurred.  I appreciate any help/advice.

My shipment of (10) SP-31 miners from Spondoolies is apparently stuck in customs (Cincinnati, OH). 

The units were sent to me via DHL.

What is the next step for me at this point?  I wanted to have the miners ASAP and this delay is unfortunate.

Thanks.

Hi Everyone,

I have the same problem as mentioned below.  10 SP31 units have been held in US Customs in Cincinnati for the last four days. Emailed Spondoolies but haven't heard back yet.  Call into DHL and hope it can be resolved. 


quote author=elduderino link=topic=521520.msg9893125#msg9893125 date=1419032066]
Hey there,

I have kind of a funny story.

I ordered the 15 SP20 deal from the website and paid for it on the 5th.
Figured I'd saved bunch of money from the shipping.
I got a notice that it was shipped on the 10th.

From there it made it from Israel to Italy and Belgium on the 11th.
On the 12th, it went through London, UK and
on the 13th it left there, and made it to New York, NY on the 14th.

So far, so good.

From there:
14th,  arrived at DHL's hub in Cincinnati, OH
15th, Clearance event, Cincinnati, OH
16th, Customs status updated, Cincinnati, OH
17th, Clearance event, Cincinnati, OH
18th, Customs status updated, Cincinnati, OH

I got a call from someone at DHL, who said they needed some information (for customs, ostensibly).
I furnished the requested information, and the rep said I'd get it the next day (today).
Now, I got an email from the Phoenix, AZ office that it will probably be held up for 'customs' for 4-5 days

I ordered (and paid for) it on the 5th, and I MIGHT get it in time to be an unexpected Christmas gift.








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March 01, 2015, 12:03:57 AM
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Hello.E-mail was sent as below on to sales@spondoolies-tech Feb 27th at about 7AM. Not blaming Spondoolies and am sure I'll hear something next week. DHL Will probably help me work it out.  Just wish we could avoid some of the shipping delays.  I would have thought DHL a would have contacted me as soon as the delay occurred.  I appreciate any help/advice.

My shipment of (10) SP-31 miners from Spondoolies is apparently stuck in customs (Cincinnati, OH). 

The units were sent to me via DHL.

What is the next step for me at this point?  I wanted to have the miners ASAP and this delay is unfortunate.

Thanks.

Hi Everyone,

I have the same problem as mentioned below.  10 SP31 units have been held in US Customs in Cincinnati for the last four days. Emailed Spondoolies but haven't heard back yet.  Call into DHL and hope it can be resolved. 


quote author=elduderino link=topic=521520.msg9893125#msg9893125 date=1419032066]
Hey there,

I have kind of a funny story.

I ordered the 15 SP20 deal from the website and paid for it on the 5th.
Figured I'd saved bunch of money from the shipping.
I got a notice that it was shipped on the 10th.

From there it made it from Israel to Italy and Belgium on the 11th.
On the 12th, it went through London, UK and
on the 13th it left there, and made it to New York, NY on the 14th.

So far, so good.

From there:
14th,  arrived at DHL's hub in Cincinnati, OH
15th, Clearance event, Cincinnati, OH
16th, Customs status updated, Cincinnati, OH
17th, Clearance event, Cincinnati, OH
18th, Customs status updated, Cincinnati, OH

I got a call from someone at DHL, who said they needed some information (for customs, ostensibly).
I furnished the requested information, and the rep said I'd get it the next day (today).
Now, I got an email from the Phoenix, AZ office that it will probably be held up for 'customs' for 4-5 days

I ordered (and paid for) it on the 5th, and I MIGHT get it in time to be an unexpected Christmas gift.








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Friday is our weekend.

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@ Spondoolies - When are you going to start selling hardware again?
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Understood.  Looking forward to working with the new miners.  I'll let you know what DHL asks for.  I upgraded home panel to 400A and put in 220v 20A and 30A circuits.  I have 24A safely usable on the 30A circuits (5280W) with the derated PDUs. Do you think I can run (2) SP31s on each of those circuits as long as I underclock them?

quote author=Spondoolies-Tech link=topic=521520.msg10615913#msg10615913 date=1425168237]
Hello.E-mail was sent as below on to sales@spondoolies-tech Feb 27th at about 7AM. Not blaming Spondoolies and am sure I'll hear something next week. DHL Will probably help me work it out.  Just wish we could avoid some of the shipping delays.  I would have thought DHL a would have contacted me as soon as the delay occurred.  I appreciate any help/advice.

My shipment of (10) SP-31 miners from Spondoolies is apparently stuck in customs (Cincinnati, OH). 

The units were sent to me via DHL.

What is the next step for me at this point?  I wanted to have the miners ASAP and this delay is unfortunate.

Thanks.

Hi Everyone,

I have the same problem as mentioned below.  10 SP31 units have been held in US Customs in Cincinnati for the last four days. Emailed Spondoolies but haven't heard back yet.  Call into DHL and hope it can be resolved. 


quote author=elduderino link=topic=521520.msg9893125#msg9893125 date=1419032066]
Hey there,

I have kind of a funny story.

I ordered the 15 SP20 deal from the website and paid for it on the 5th.
Figured I'd saved bunch of money from the shipping.
I got a notice that it was shipped on the 10th.

From there it made it from Israel to Italy and Belgium on the 11th.
On the 12th, it went through London, UK and
on the 13th it left there, and made it to New York, NY on the 14th.

So far, so good.

From there:
14th,  arrived at DHL's hub in Cincinnati, OH
15th, Clearance event, Cincinnati, OH
16th, Customs status updated, Cincinnati, OH
17th, Clearance event, Cincinnati, OH
18th, Customs status updated, Cincinnati, OH

I got a call from someone at DHL, who said they needed some information (for customs, ostensibly).
I furnished the requested information, and the rep said I'd get it the next day (today).
Now, I got an email from the Phoenix, AZ office that it will probably be held up for 'customs' for 4-5 days

I ordered (and paid for) it on the 5th, and I MIGHT get it in time to be an unexpected Christmas gift.








When did you send us the email?
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Friday is our weekend.
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March 01, 2015, 12:16:44 AM
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@ Spondoolies - When are you going to start selling hardware again?
http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp31-yukon-shipping-from-stock

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Thanks, I suppose I need to get in touch with someone then.  I have another rig that I cannot connect to at all.  I know I have the correct IP address on it but it will not let me communicate with it.  It just says the server will not let me connect to it.

Any suggestions on that one?
I'd try using a serial cable first, but you probably don't have one. Chances are high that the internal MMC has gotten corrupted or gone bad. Try a SD boot disk (or possibly a SD recovery). http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/blogs/technical-blog/13098521-sp10-sp2x-sp3x-recovery-sd-card-boot-sd-card-creation-instructions

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Understood.  Looking forward to working with the new miners.  I'll let you know what DHL asks for.  I upgraded home panel to 400A and put in 220v 20A and 30A circuits.  I have 24A safely usable on the 30A circuits (5280W) with the derated PDUs. Do you think I can run (2) SP31s on each of those circuits as long as I underclock them?

I've been using 1 SP30/SP31 each on 16 amp 237V circuits for a while with no problems. I can often stick a little extra on those circuits, like an underclocked SP10. Those are PDU circuits, though, and the breakers are built to international standards and aren't built for the 80% derating factor. Your 30A x 220V circuits are less than twice my 16 x 237V circuits, but I'd expect them to still work even at full speed. (Actually, come to think of it, each two 16A circuits is fed by one 30A circuit in our setup, so the only real difference is 237V vs 220V.) If you underclock your SP30s by 10% or 20%, you'll be quite safe.

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Here's some data for you guys.


http://toom.im/images/Spondoolies%20Hashrate.png


http://toom.im/images/Spondoolies%20Efficiency.png


http://toom.im/images/Spondoolies%20Marginal%20Hashrate.png

The marginal efficiency graph shows the efficiency of a small increment in power. If you step the power consumption on an SP20 up from 1100W to 1200W, you only gain an extra 50 or so GH/s for 100 W in extra power consumption, giving a marginal efficiency of 2.0 J/GH. On the other hand, the overall efficiency at 1200W for an SP20 is about 0.75 J/GH.

The marginal efficiency is a very useful metric for choosing what power settings to run a miner at. You should run your miners at a setting such that the marginal efficiency leaves you at the breakeven point. Right now, 1 TH/s earns about $0.111 per hour. If your power or hosting costs you $0.14/kWh, then your breakeven point would be

[$0.111/(h•TH/s)] / [$0.14/kW•h] = 0.79 kJ/TH = 0.79 J/GH

so you would want to run an SP20 at the setting that gives you a marginal efficiency of about 0.79 J/GH, which turns out to be about 600 W AC.




Some notes:

All tests were conducted on 240V +/- 5V with intake temperatures between 8°C and 18°C.

The SP31s tested used Murata power supplies. The Murata PSUs are more efficient than the Emerson1200 PSUs (about 91.5% vs 88%). The SP30 tested used Emerson1200s. The SP20 used an HP DPS1200FB PSU, which appears to be 90% efficient on 240V.

AC power consumption for the SP35, SP31, SP10 and SP20 were measured using a Dell PDU, and should be accurate to within 20W. AC power consumption for the SP30 was read off of the ASIC Stats page. Previous testing has shown the Emerson1200 and Emerson1600 (in the SP35) to give accurate AC consumption measurements compared to our PDUs.

The DC power measurements of the SP10s and SP20s appear to be miscalibrated. At high power, they appear to be accurate, with our PDU measuring AC consumption that's about 10% higher than the reported DC power consumption. At low power (e.g. 60%), the SP10 reports DC power consumption 4% *below* the AC consumption, and the SP20 reports DC consumption equal to AC consumption. Power measurements from Murata power supplies show an inverse pattern, and are very inaccurate (and biased for low readings) at full power output, but tend to be accurate at 80% of max power or below. Do not rely on the power readings from SP10s, SP20s, and Murata SP30/31s for anything important.

The SP10s tested were all from a moderately slow corner batch.

A few of the max power datapoints might be missing from some machine types (e.g. SP10, SP35) to simplify testing. Most testing was done using voltage limiting (600 mV < start voltage = max voltage < 700 mV, or 750 mV for SP20). The SP30 was tested using power limiting, which is part of why its graph is slightly wavy.

At very low voltages or power limits (< 620 mV, roughly, for both Rockerbox and Hammer), some ASICs on a machine will fail to start up. This results in rapidly dropping hashrate and power consumption towards the left end of the graphs, as well as potential system instability, with slight improvements in efficiency. Different ASICs will have vastly differing minimum voltages for operation, which means that some machines will be capable of much lower power operation when run at minimum voltage. I've seen a 25% (430W) difference in minimum power between two SP31s from the same batch, for example. However, the difference in efficiency between these machines at their minima was smaller, at 0.50 vs 0.45 J/GH. YMMV (your miners may vary).

Data tables available upon request. Email j@toom.im if you want one. Specify which machine type(s) you want them for.

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March 01, 2015, 12:33:26 AM
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Thanks, I suppose I need to get in touch with someone then.  I have another rig that I cannot connect to at all.  I know I have the correct IP address on it but it will not let me communicate with it.  It just says the server will not let me connect to it.

Any suggestions on that one?
I'd try using a serial cable first, but you probably don't have one. Chances are high that the internal MMC has gotten corrupted or gone bad. Try a SD boot disk (or possibly a SD recovery). http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/blogs/technical-blog/13098521-sp10-sp2x-sp3x-recovery-sd-card-boot-sd-card-creation-instructions

Thanks, jtoomim.  I'll give them a try.

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Thanks, I suppose I need to get in touch with someone then.  I have another rig that I cannot connect to at all.  I know I have the correct IP address on it but it will not let me communicate with it.  It just says the server will not let me connect to it.

Any suggestions on that one?
I'd try using a serial cable first, but you probably don't have one. Chances are high that the internal MMC has gotten corrupted or gone bad. Try a SD boot disk (or possibly a SD recovery). http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/blogs/technical-blog/13098521-sp10-sp2x-sp3x-recovery-sd-card-boot-sd-card-creation-instructions

If I had a serial cable, what are you suggesting I do with it.  Also, all of my computers are Mac's with Windows 7 via Parallel's installed in my Mac's.  If I need to go to buy a laptop to do what you suggest with a serial cable, I'll do it.  First, I need to know what I would do with the serial cable?

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March 01, 2015, 12:53:52 AM
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Thanks!  Now I need to figure out what to do with the leftover wattage on the 20A (16A derated) circuits.  Not planning anything now on those except single SP31s on those circuits.  I guess I could underclock those and throw on my Bitcrane 110 units. They are not very efficient when compared to Spondoolies units but they could take up the extra slack running at 900w. So, with (4) 220v 20A and (4) 220v 30A circuits, I should have no issues running ten SP31s.  Also have about 6000w of 110v also available.  I'm running through wall Panasonic fans, wall vents and 18k BTU for cooling. That takes up (1) 220v 20A circuit.  Looks like I have room for one more SP31 on one 20A circuit.

Thanks for the reference charts. Very helpful.


quote author=jtoomim link=topic=521520.msg10616062#msg10616062 date=1425169702]
Understood.  Looking forward to working with the new miners.  I'll let you know what DHL asks for.  I upgraded home panel to 400A and put in 220v 20A and 30A circuits.  I have 24A safely usable on the 30A circuits (5280W) with the derated PDUs. Do you think I can run (2) SP31s on each of those circuits as long as I underclock them?

I've been using 1 SP30/SP31 each on 16 amp 237V circuits for a while with no problems. I can often stick a little extra on those circuits, like an underclocked SP10. Those are PDU circuits, though, and the breakers are built to international standards and aren't built for the 80% derating factor. Your 30A x 220V circuits are less than twice my 16 x 237V circuits, but I'd expect them to still work even at full speed. (Actually, come to think of it, each two 16A circuits is fed by one 30A circuit in our setup, so the only real difference is 237V vs 220V.) If you underclock your SP30s by 10% or 20%, you'll be quite safe.

Speaking of underclocking...
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March 01, 2015, 12:59:35 AM
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If I had a serial cable, what are you suggesting I do with it.  Also, all of my computers are Mac's with Windows 7 via Parallel's installed in my Mac's.  If I need to go to buy a laptop to do what you suggest with a serial cable, I'll do it.  First, I need to know what I would do with the serial cable?
On OS X, open Terminal, then run

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screen /dev/cu.usbserial-<TAB> 115200
where <TAB> is an actual tab keypress. It should autofill to something like /dev/cu.usbserial-A603PRMX. Plug the serial cable into a working miner and press enter, and then you should be prompted to log in (root / root). Works? Great. Now try plugging it into the troubled miner, and press enter. If you can log in, then the machine is booting, but something else is going wrong. You could try running ifconfig to see what the IP address is. If you can't log in and you see a bunch of Ç or C or ç (or something) characters appear on the screen at a rate of about one per second, that means that the miner can't boot off of the internal MMC storage for some reason. If that's the case, use a µSD card to either recover or boot.

I think the cable you need is this type, but I can't be sure since I was sent a few directly from SPTech and never bought them myself. You might also be able to make one yourself a bit cheaper by using an FTDI USB serial cable and soldering (or splicing) on an RJ12 connector on the other end.

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If I had a serial cable, what are you suggesting I do with it.  Also, all of my computers are Mac's with Windows 7 via Parallel's installed in my Mac's.  If I need to go to buy a laptop to do what you suggest with a serial cable, I'll do it.  First, I need to know what I would do with the serial cable?
On OS X, open Terminal, then run

Code:
screen /dev/cu.usbserial-<TAB> 115200
where <TAB> is an actual tab keypress. It should autofill to something like /dev/cu.usbserial-A603PRMX. Plug the serial cable into a working miner and press enter, and then you should be prompted to log in (root / root). Works? Great. Now try plugging it into the troubled miner, and press enter. If you can log in, then the machine is booting, but something else is going wrong. You could try running ifconfig to see what the IP address is. If you can't log in and you see a bunch of Ç or C or ç (or something) characters appear on the screen at a rate of about one per second, that means that the miner can't boot off of the internal MMC storage for some reason. If that's the case, use a µSD card to either recover or boot.

I think the cable you need is this type, but I can't be sure since I was sent a few directly from SPTech and never bought them myself. You might also be able to make one yourself a bit cheaper by using an FTDI USB serial cable and soldering (or splicing) on an RJ12 connector on the other end.

Thank you for your time and patience.  I'll give this info a look to determine what to do.

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