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September 06, 2014, 03:41:12 AM
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you will have an earful from PCI-e "purists" who will say that PCI-e is supposed to handle just 75-150W. i am not one of them, but if I order Sp-20, I will be getting some of cablez creations (16 awg two pci-e to one port-V-shape connector)-especially if using evga 1300 (which has 8 connectors).
The customers will need to consult with the PSU manufacturer.
For example, for SeaSonic X-1050 XM each PCIe connector can handle up to 324 W

Side comment-you guys are such a tease-why not an official release with specs/prices?
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September 06, 2014, 04:27:49 AM
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Exciting news!

The SP20 with 0.65 W/GH has a better power to hash ratio than the S3+ (0.78 W/GH or OC 0.80 W/GH), but it's worse than the SP31 with 0.5455 W/GH, and W/GH is what matters most for me with our shitty energy price here.

We also don't know the pride yet and what Bitmaintech has in their drawer for the S4.

I'm all for Spondoolies-Tech and would already have started ordering if only predictions would show it's possible for me to reach a positive ROI.

Did I understand this right, that customers get coupons for purchased units valid for the next generation of products, or was this only on special occasion due to the SP30 not performing as initially announced?

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Side comment-you guys are such a tease-why not an official release with specs/prices?
I am deeply agree with you...  Angry

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Now this is interesting, and the FIRST time Spondoolies (to my knowledge) have not kept us up to speed on the forum, we hear news from another source. Thanks nhminer.
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good for them, why post here, just to hear the same and the same "this will never ROI"
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Its my article and I pester them a bunch for info on stuff.  They were good enough to allow me to break the story first and I appreciate it so much.
I really do like the the SP20 as it does fill the gap in the miner realm right now.  Adding in they are talking a few week ship time as opposed to months and months this is a great choice.  Smiley



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Spondoolies-Tech is releasing a new miner named the SP20-Jackson that will start shipping in October.

Specifications as of press time:
Hash Rate: 1.7 th/s +/- 5%, Over Clockable to 1.8 th/s, 8 ASIC Chips
Power Consumption: 1100 watts at the wall with a Gold rated, 90% efficiency PSU suggested
Power connections: 4x PCIe
Smaller Form Factor 1/3 size of the SP30, 60dB or less estimated

Now this is interesting, and the FIRST time Spondoolies (to my knowledge) have not kept us up to speed on the forum, we hear news from another source. Thanks nhminer.

Get the price right, and you'll have a best seller - eating into Bitmains market (unless they have a killer S4 around the corner). If you don't have one to hand, the PSU will cost you a few, but many S1/S3 owners have 1200W/1500W units powering multiple Antminers right now. (Not sure a Corsair AX1200i would be up for the job on this?).

Reading the article, I'm guessing/hoping no lengthy pre-orders here, or if so, delivery within a short window of time.

I host my SP10s and SP30s at DCs, but also boost the hash rate by hosting a certain amount of KW personally. If the price and spec is right, I'll be upgrading my smaller miners ... just as winter begins ... toasty  Cool



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I'll do a Kim Dotcom and make a custom "SP3000 Turbo" sticker for my SP30.
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well ...looks like us home miner types yelling on here about noise/elec use etc were listened to I'm shocked.......no asic company ever listened before

(have to sit down...world is tilting)

Searing

p.s. bet the price point is $1500 usd at best imho......still tough to justify at these BTC prices and 15c kwh in my case
... and the difficulty being completely nuts...imho they should be priced at end of Oct time line at
around $1000 usd....even then tough to make ROI but at least conceivable? maybe? kinda sorta?

But hell I might even pay the extra $500 usd over the $1000 to mine with the beast .just to decentralize BTC (take that KNC my 1.7TH will put a dent in your profits by golly!)
and WTF I have no life....so again nice whirly noises...pretty LCD's and winter is coming...there it is ..thats the ticket...it is a HEATER we need someone
good at math to prove to me that at 15c/kwh I can bank money back on this beastie with costs/elec figured in...yea..ROI via HEAT (man am I grasping
at straws or what)

(delusion is a foul fiend that follows home miners everywhere don't ya know)

ah....another hopeless ROI guest......my life is now again as normal as it ever gets........some people gamble some people get home miners
it is all the same.....keeps us in line placid and in worker drone mode......(off to get a lottery ticket)

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Kinda complicated to read but:

http://www.mhi-inc.com/Converter/watt_calculator.htm

1000 watts in 24hrs=81950 BTU.

@ 12,000 btu per 1 ton of A/C=6.82 tons (seems kinda high IMO,something is off  Roll Eyes   )  At that rate you could heat a 1500 sq ft home quite well....maybe not in snow country  Cheesy

Or:

http://rapidtables.com/convert/power/Watt_to_BTU.htm

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well ...looks like us home miner types yelling on here about noise/elec use etc were listened to I'm shocked.......no asic company ever listened before

(have to sit down...world is tilting)

Searing

p.s. bet the price point is $1500 usd at best imho......still tough to justify at these BTC prices and 15c kwh in my case
... and the difficulty being completely nuts...imho they should be priced at end of Oct time line at
around $1000 usd....even then tough to make ROI but at least conceivable? maybe? kinda sorta?

But hell I might even pay the extra $500 usd over the $1000 to mine with the beast .just to decentralize BTC (take that KNC my 1.7TH will put a dent in your profits by golly!)
and WTF I have no life....so again nice whirly noises...pretty LCD's and winter is coming...there it is ..thats the ticket...it is a HEATER we need someone
good at math to prove to me that at 15c/kwh I can bank money back on this beastie with costs/elec figured in...yea..ROI via HEAT (man am I grasping
at straws or what)

(delusion is a foul fiend that follows home miners everywhere don't ya know)

ah....another hopeless ROI guest......my life is now again as normal as it ever gets........some people gamble some people get home miners
it is all the same.....keeps us in line placid and in worker drone mode......(off to get a lottery ticket)

Searing


Kinda complicated to read but:

http://www.mhi-inc.com/Converter/watt_calculator.htm

1000 watts in 24hrs=81950 BTU.

@ 12,000 btu per 1 ton of A/C=6.82 tons (seems kinda high IMO,something is off  Roll Eyes   )  At that rate you could heat a 1500 sq ft home quite well....maybe not in snow country  Cheesy

Or:

http://rapidtables.com/convert/power/Watt_to_BTU.htm

argh i had it all figured with your above link...dumped my last post...anyway

...with my 15c/kwh and what it took off my $125 gas bill in the winter....it came out to a 35% cut off my equiv costs on the electric bill ...so
it would mean I could run a miner in the winter and get 35% off elec costs to run it

again from what I figured from the savings in gas to heat house (saved 9 days in heat) and converted to elec savings equiv to get the elec cost
of the miner down (not paying those $$$ to the gas company)

..in the heat (it is in the basement so not exactly where I can use it..but hey
denial ..I'll take what I can get)...so the price w/the heat credit to run a 1000 watt say sp20


https://tradeblock.com/mining/

using the above

at say $0.7/gh in cost lets say the spondoolies sp20 is $1190  (w/o power supply) kwh for me is 15c/kwh and the elec costs (minus the HEAT applied)

runs the numbers

remember 35% less on watts in above calculator at 15c/kwh to get the supposed savings on HEAT

20% ave growth till around the middle of NOV when you probably would get the beastie....and I get a $367 usd loss (at current exchange rate of around $475)

if I just go by how much BTC I could make off the unit w/o expenses for 6 months looking at 2.59 btc so..if BTC went back to 500 usd in 6 months I'd MAYBE
break even...take the equip cost off and the elec no way

and this is with my HEAT THE BASEMENT $$$ savings

sigh

If I BUY BTC now at 475 usd and the unit costs me my guess above of $1190 usd....that would be 2.5btc w/o the equip loss above and elec of $367 or .77btc
2.59btc -0.77btc with equip elec costs above again with my HEAT savings on winter home heat that is 1.82 btc vs again the 2.5btc I could just buy now

math is cruel

anyway I probably mucked up the above and all of the above is me being obviously very very bored...but at EVEN  a 1000 usd price...you would still be down
around $308 usd loss on such a sp20 unit

anyway ugly ugly ....anyway those with better math fix/trash the above or whatever...but with my 'very blatant' guesses the ballpark figures as it were...
all to make a very nice cozy basement heated up (likely only the basement..mot like I can move the air..boiler heat) so the real savings above are also suspect..

but then again if I do get the miner I can strike back at the evil centralization of BFL/KNC and others ...strike my puny blow for decentralization!

yeah er sheesh

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September 06, 2014, 12:16:57 PM
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SP10  Farfegnugen
SP20  Farfegnugen
SP30  Farfegnugen
SP31  Farfegnugen
SPXX  Farfegnugen

Whichever you choose pure "driving pleasure".

I'll do a Kim Dotcom and make a custom "SP3000 Turbo" sticker for my SP30.

Can I get a few for my SP30's?

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Did we ascertain whether the SP30's come with zero, one or two power cables?

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Its my article and I pester them a bunch for info on stuff.  They were good enough to allow me to break the story first and I appreciate it so much.
I really do like the the SP20 as it does fill the gap in the miner realm right now.  Adding in they are talking a few week ship time as opposed to months and months this is a great choice.  Smiley
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Spondoolies-Tech is releasing a new miner named the SP20-Jackson that will start shipping in October.

Specifications as of press time:
Hash Rate: 1.7 th/s +/- 5%, Over Clockable to 1.8 th/s, 8 ASIC Chips
Power Consumption: 1100 watts at the wall with a Gold rated, 90% efficiency PSU suggested
Power connections: 4x PCIe
Smaller Form Factor 1/3 size of the SP30, 60dB or less estimated

What I like a lot is 60dB or less! By comparison sp-10 is at 80 decibel
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Most of the noise was coming from the PSU fans anyway. If they don't ship the PSU with the new design, that noise is yours!

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Did we ascertain whether the SP30's come with zero, one or two power cables?

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well ...looks like us home miner types yelling on here about noise/elec use etc were listened to I'm shocked.......no asic company ever listened before

(have to sit down...world is tilting)

Searing

p.s. bet the price point is $1500 usd at best imho......still tough to justify at these BTC prices and 15c kwh in my case
... and the difficulty being completely nuts...imho they should be priced at end of Oct time line at
around $1000 usd....even then tough to make ROI but at least conceivable? maybe? kinda sorta?

But hell I might even pay the extra $500 usd over the $1000 to mine with the beast .just to decentralize BTC (take that KNC my 1.7TH will put a dent in your profits by golly!)
and WTF I have no life....so again nice whirly noises...pretty LCD's and winter is coming...there it is ..thats the ticket...it is a HEATER we need someone
good at math to prove to me that at 15c/kwh I can bank money back on this beastie with costs/elec figured in...yea..ROI via HEAT (man am I grasping
at straws or what)

(delusion is a foul fiend that follows home miners everywhere don't ya know)

ah....another hopeless ROI guest......my life is now again as normal as it ever gets........some people gamble some people get home miners
it is all the same.....keeps us in line placid and in worker drone mode......(off to get a lottery ticket)

Searing


Kinda complicated to read but:

http://www.mhi-inc.com/Converter/watt_calculator.htm

1000 watts in 24hrs=81950 BTU.

@ 12,000 btu per 1 ton of A/C=6.82 tons (seems kinda high IMO,something is off  Roll Eyes   )  At that rate you could heat a 1500 sq ft home quite well....maybe not in snow country  Cheesy

Or:

http://rapidtables.com/convert/power/Watt_to_BTU.htm

I don't think that you have correct math because you multiplied by 24hr.
Correct number is 1000W=3412 BTU/hr
http://www.rapidtables.com/convert/power/Watt_to_BTU.htm
One ton of A/C removes 12000 BTU in an hour, hence ONLY 0.28 tons of A/C is needed for 1000W
If 6.82 tons were needed, my house would be at the outside temp of 100F
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Its my article and I pester them a bunch for info on stuff.  They were good enough to allow me to break the story first and I appreciate it so much.
I really do like the the SP20 as it does fill the gap in the miner realm right now.  Adding in they are talking a few week ship time as opposed to months and months this is a great choice.  Smiley


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Yeah, isn't it crazy. This year is very strange: ~70 fold difficulty increase since last November, but more than 50% BTC price decrease.
I would have never guessed that this would be the case. I don't think that this dichotomy can continue much longer, but who knows.

this!   a shakeout is in progress.

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September 06, 2014, 08:03:17 PM
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Did we ascertain whether the SP30's come with zero, one or two power cables?

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The SP30 comes with 2 cables for power, but not the ones that you plug into your socket. They are only an extension that goes between the power cord and the PSU. You still need to provide 2 PSU power cords.

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The SP30 comes with 2 cables for power, but not the ones that you plug into your socket. They are only an extension that goes between the power cord and the PSU. You still need to provide 2 PSU power cords.

It's about being datacenter ready .. so these TWO cables plug OK in a PDU.


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September 07, 2014, 01:00:21 AM
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Did we ascertain whether the SP30's come with zero, one or two power cables?

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The SP30 comes with 2 cables for power, but not the ones that you plug into your socket. They are only an extension that goes between the power cord and the PSU. You still need to provide 2 PSU power cords.

Yeah I know they come with C14 to C19 cables for plugging into PDU's.

Problem is I found out that that only sent one cable with each SP30 instead of two, which means I'm running half speed till I can get Amazon to deliver to the datacenter on Monday. Sad

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