Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[LUCKMCFLY]

We hope to see Inoue finally spar with Casimero in the ring, this is an anticipated fight because they didn't make it possible in bantamweight division.
I'm pretty sure that once Inoue will choose Casimero, there will be no problem with Casimero.

In the meantime though, John Riel Casimero just needs to build up his name in the 122 for him to be recognized as a good opponent for those top-ranked boxers there and champions. Even for let's say Naoya Inoue wants to fight Casimero, I doubt promoters will be interested to organize that fight with the current status of Casimero.

Maybe 1-2 fights with an impressive win by Casimero is enough fuel to boost his rankings to at least Top 3. I also hope that there will be no more shit that will happen to Casimero as this will be his last chance to build his name and climb to the top.

He's turning 34 next month so every fight counts.

Many have been speculating about this possible meeting, but the truth does not cause me even the slightest bit of emotion, and it is true, due to Casimero's current state, it will almost not be given the required importance, of course, an Inoue that He has won his titles all the time, he is a respectable fighter, it causes a lot of euphoria to want to attend his fights, it is something that cannot be denied, however, it should be with another boxer, a boxer who provokes more emotions and or is expecting the media, personally if that fight takes place, I'm pretty sure that Inoue will have no problem beating him, I still don't see him with him, I prefer a bigger boxer.

Meanwhile, have read a news article that Donaire and Moloney will slug it out for the WBC belt vacated by Inoue. This is good news for us fans of Donaire as we all know that he still have some tricks to do the job even if he is 40 years old.

It's still floating.

But if it's guaranteed and official then Donaire will just have to prove himself that age doesn't matter and he's still a great guy to box with. He'll take back what's taken from him.

And I think that he's going to have more intense training and will be more pursued to win this match after his loss against Inoue who will just leave his rank and division.

Regarding this potential bout between Donaire and Moloney, here's an article for you guys.

Donaire Sends Notice To Team Moloney On Title Bid

Donaire is making a stand that he is still interested in fighting for the WBC title that Inoue vacated recently. In the same article, Donaire also revealed that his camp and Moloney's aren't yet getting into discussions and that he's waiting for somebody to give him a call so that a bout will soon be happening.

I understand Donaire's urgency because he doesn't have the time in his side as he's already 40 years old, he might be strong and agile in his age but he knows that father time will be catch up to him anytime soon, so he does want a fight already before any of that happens.

It is a fact and that seems very good to me on Donaire's part, it is that he should never resign from his position in the CMB, and of course one of the things that he thinks about the most is age, although that is not an impediment, but since now they are giving more importance to them because he wants to see or give an image where age does not affect him at all, and that is something that he needs to fight now, I hope that things can be given to him faster and so nonito can give us a great surprise that hopefully it will be with a great victory, but everything is in the hands of the organizers and their sponsors, we have to wait because I don't think there is another way to speed it up.

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[Baofeng]

Meanwhile, have read a news article that Donaire and Moloney will slug it out for the WBC belt vacated by Inoue. This is good news for us fans of Donaire as we all know that he still have some tricks to do the job even if he is 40 years old.

It's still floating.

But if it's guaranteed and official then Donaire will just have to prove himself that age doesn't matter and he's still a great guy to box with. He'll take back what's taken from him.

And I think that he's going to have more intense training and will be more pursued to win this match after his loss against Inoue who will just leave his rank and division.

Floating but confirmed official since the conditions were unlocked which is Naoya Inoue moving up a weight.

I believed Donaire should be able to handle Moloney as the former already experienced a difficult fight in his career, which is facing Inoue.

Remember that Donaire is the first one to put Inoue on a verge of losing that's why I'm sure he can handle other boxers in the bantamweight now that Inoue is out of sight and no more tough opponent is left in that division for him.

I agree Donaire has a good chance against Moloney, but here's the thing, Moloney is being promoted by Top Rank, and Donaire under Richard Schaefer, his  Probellum company.

However, Arum says that he doesn't want to work with Probellum because according to him, it has ties with Irish crime lord Daniel Kinahan, who was sanctioned by the U.S. Department of Treasury. So that makes things complicated again and we don't know if we will see this mandatory fight this year or how will the sanctioning body goes with their number 1 and number 2 contender for the vacate title if their promoters refused to work with each other.

Hopefully though that Arum will allow this one to happen and not just for Moloney to get the belt without fighting because it seems that they want to sidetrack Nonito. They have other fights in the past though, so I think this could still doable if only both sides are going to sit down and talk.

Perhaps Arum is just hiding with this reasons because he knows that it's a dangerous fight for Moloney even if Donaire is still declining and at the age wherein boxers are retired already. Let's still wait and hopefully the governing body will impose their will so that this fight is going to happen.

[harizen]

I cannot understand why a 40-year-old person still insists on boxing, do these trainers not see that he is already too old? Could it be that their trainer, his physical trainer don't realize that Donaire is old? I keep asking myself the following: if Donaire is fighting for the money then why doesn't he retire and fight in these exhibition fights? because in exhibition fights he won't wear out his body and consequently wouldn't wear out his health

No one here can really understand because we are not in their place.

Aside from that, just let Donaire do what he wants. As I mentioned, he might didn't see yet his limitation due to the fact that he fought an unstoppable monster. We can see if he was still that fierce once he faced another boxer aside from Inoue.

Another thing, he was considered for that mandatory title fight. Who else doesn't want that opportunity even at that age?

[btc_angela]

I cannot understand why a 40-year-old person still insists on boxing, do these trainers not see that he is already too old? Could it be that their trainer, his physical trainer don't realize that Donaire is old? I keep asking myself the following: if Donaire is fighting for the money then why doesn't he retire and fight in these exhibition fights? because in exhibition fights he won't wear out his body and consequently wouldn't wear out his health

No one here can really understand because we are not in their place.

Aside from that, just let Donaire do what he wants. As I mentioned, he might didn't see yet his limitation due to the fact that he fought an unstoppable monster. We can see if he was still that fierce once he faced another boxer aside from Inoue.

Another thing, he was considered for that mandatory title fight. Who else doesn't want that opportunity even at that age?

Yes, as much as we advise and think who should retire and who should still fight, it's not really up to us. The boxer has the last to say obviously. They still have this one great fight, we have seen this to great fighter before. But sooner or later, maybe advise from their love ones or someone close to them and tell that it's time to give us boxing for good. And maybe that time will come to Donaire in his next fight for the belt against Moloney or whoever it is because there are news that this fight might be in jeopardy or something.

[boyptc]

Aside from that, just let Donaire do what he wants. As I mentioned, he might didn't see yet his limitation due to the fact that he fought an unstoppable monster. We can see if he was still that fierce once he faced another boxer aside from Inoue.

I agree.

Let him do what makes him happy and he's a true boxer because his passion for the sport is never gone despite his most recent loss against the monster for the rematch that he has asked for.

Both camps are happy, Naoya will have a bout on May and then Donaire just need to wait a bit for the official fight.

[Sanitough]

Aside from that, just let Donaire do what he wants. As I mentioned, he might didn't see yet his limitation due to the fact that he fought an unstoppable monster. We can see if he was still that fierce once he faced another boxer aside from Inoue.

I agree.

Let him do what makes him happy and he's a true boxer because his passion for the sport is never gone despite his most recent loss against the monster for the rematch that he has asked for.

Both camps are happy, Naoya will have a bout on May and then Donaire just need to wait a bit for the official fight.

No one can stop him as long as there are people who still want to watch him. He is right, Inoue is just exceptional, he cannot beat him but he was able to give him a tough fight on their first meeting. Maybe now that Inoue is out on his division, Donaire surely thinks that his chance is very high of becoming a champion again.

[danherbias07]

Aside from that, just let Donaire do what he wants. As I mentioned, he might didn't see yet his limitation due to the fact that he fought an unstoppable monster. We can see if he was still that fierce once he faced another boxer aside from Inoue.

I agree.

Let him do what makes him happy and he's a true boxer because his passion for the sport is never gone despite his most recent loss against the monster for the rematch that he has asked for.

Both camps are happy, Naoya will have a bout on May and then Donaire just need to wait a bit for the official fight.

Yeah, and he can actually retire afterward if he wants to. It's a chance to claim the title again and tell the world he is still the strongest fighter in their weight class and the good part is, he won't be losing anything here. That's one of the sweet deals and what makes it sweeter is the money included.
Filipino fans would love a match that is more real than an exhibition match like what Manny did. There might be a lot of people who watched it by I doubt it's the same number as when he is fighting in professional leagues.
So take it, if he can, then leave it again for other boxers to claim, then he can live his luxurious life being retired. No pressure.

[stadus]

It only make sense for Donaire to retire because admit it or not, father time has catch up with him, have you notice that thin hair line now? just like what we have seen in Lebron James, signs that they are getting old.

So this is his last chance, we don't want him to get knockout cold, if he lost for the belt against Moloney then that should be it.

It's time to admit that he can no longer box.

There's only a limit for a certain thing and Nonito Donaire should already accept the reality if it turns out that he cannot have a title in this division anymore, there's no need to look in the lower division too because there's nothing to prove anymore. He's been known to be "The Flash" but lately, he's not that flashy or fast anymore as his opponent are already catching up with him.

Let him have fun. If he still feels it, then push. Donaire just faced a fierce monster and lose that's why everyone thinks that he's done now. But for sure, he believes he can still go toe-to-toe with other bantamweight boxers.

I'm sure Naoya Inoue is the only tough opponent that Donaire faced in the Bantamweight. Donaire can even pulverize Paul Butler if they will meet each other. If there's a current bantamweight boxer aside from Inoue that will put Donaire kissing the canvass or will able to outbox and dominate him the whole fight, then that's the time to consider retiring for good and hanging his gloves.

No more taking chances if he still loses this upcoming fight.

Nobody is preventing him from having fun and even if he will push himself to the limit, it's his own decision because he's the only one who knows about the reaction of his body if he would spend another couple of years fighting. He still got a shot and I believe that he can still reign once more before hanging his gloves, which I also do think that's what he wanted to do too.

[harizen]

He still got a shot and I believe that he can still reign once more before hanging his gloves, which I also do think that's what he wanted to do too.

Adding to that, his plans were just focused on a title match. He didn't consider fighting again at the bottom.

He truly knows that fighting again at the bottom or a non-title fight doesn't make sense and it's good to just hang his gloves instead.

Both of his plans are title matches;

- returning to 115 lbs and facing the champion
- returning to 118 lbs if Inoue will move up and fight for the vacant title

Since he still sits at top of the rankings even after losing to Inoue, he is eligible for both.

[Fredomago]

He still got a shot and I believe that he can still reign once more before hanging his gloves, which I also do think that's what he wanted to do too.

Adding to that, his plans were just focused on a title match. He didn't consider fighting again at the bottom.

He truly knows that fighting again at the bottom or a non-title fight doesn't make sense and it's good to just hang his gloves instead.

Both of his plans are title matches;

- returning to 115 lbs and facing the champion
- returning to 118 lbs if Inoue will move up and fight for the vacant title

Since he still sits at top of the rankings even after losing to Inoue, he is eligible for both.

Fighting for the title do have more money in stake, so I'm pretty sure him and his wife knows the value so why bother to take the risk if the income is not that much, and with the kind of opportunity he still have since he still in the top position that eligibility to challenge the champion is a good option.

Now that Inoue decided to move up, the vacant belt is now free for the qualified rank fighters, he will take his chance and make some decent amount of money while having that good chance to own the belt.

[goinmerry]

Jason Moloney was 29 years of age when he fought Naoya Inoue, which is 27 years old at that time. Not that gap in age and both are young guns and in their prime but their fight is not even a close fight as Moloney wasn't even able to give Inoue a problem and the fight result in a landslide TKO win by Inoue. An easy win by Inoue.

Nonito Donaire Jr. was 36 years old when he first fought Naoya Inoue, which is 26 years old at that time. 10 years gap and Donaire was at a veteran age already but able to give Inoue the most difficult challenge in his entire boxing career. Inoue suffers a cut above his right eye and that was the first time he received a cut. But since much younger with lots of stamina to be used in the entire fight, Inoue patiently waits for his rhythm to come back while suffering pain and is able to regain his strength and won that fight.

What I'm saying here is, if Moloney can't keep up with an opponent just the same as his age, while the old Donaire able to put the strongest bantamweight boxer in almost a defeat, I don't think that Moloney even at 32 years old will able to beat Donaire at 40 years old.

Age does matter? Not for this fight, I believed.

[Jawhead999]

Jason Moloney was 29 years of age when he fought Naoya Inoue, which is 27 years old at that time. Not that gap in age and both are young guns and in their prime but their fight is not even a close fight as Moloney wasn't even able to give Inoue a problem and the fight result in a landslide TKO win by Inoue. An easy win by Inoue.

Nonito Donaire Jr. was 36 years old when he first fought Naoya Inoue, which is 26 years old at that time. 10 years gap and Donaire was at a veteran age already but able to give Inoue the most difficult challenge in his entire boxing career. Inoue suffers a cut above his right eye and that was the first time he received a cut. But since much younger with lots of stamina to be used in the entire fight, Inoue patiently waits for his rhythm to come back while suffering pain and is able to regain his strength and won that fight.

What I'm saying here is, if Moloney can't keep up with an opponent just the same as his age, while the old Donaire able to put the strongest bantamweight boxer in almost a defeat, I don't think that Moloney even at 32 years old will able to beat Donaire at 40 years old.

Age does matter? Not for this fight, I believed.

And you skipped the rematch between Donaire vs Inoue? it's obvious Inoue beat Donaire very easy, it only need 2 rounds to finish him. You need to be clear to compare their performance, Donaire was able to survive when he was still 36 years old, but after next 3 years, Donaire's stamina and body aren't really as good as 3 years before.

Age does matter, but Donaire is just not to weak and still able to compete with B or C rank boxer. Similar like the other matured good boxers e.g. GGG, Pacquiao etc.

Anyway I read in this article https://www.badlefthook.com/2023/1/18/23561411/naoya-inoue-next-fight-stephen-fulton-discussing-spring-title-fight-japan-boxing-news-2023

Mark Magsayo will fight with Brandon Figueroa, but there's no official announcement yet.

[danherbias07]

Jason Moloney was 29 years of age when he fought Naoya Inoue, which is 27 years old at that time. Not that gap in age and both are young guns and in their prime but their fight is not even a close fight as Moloney wasn't even able to give Inoue a problem and the fight result in a landslide TKO win by Inoue. An easy win by Inoue.

Nonito Donaire Jr. was 36 years old when he first fought Naoya Inoue, which is 26 years old at that time. 10 years gap and Donaire was at a veteran age already but able to give Inoue the most difficult challenge in his entire boxing career. Inoue suffers a cut above his right eye and that was the first time he received a cut. But since much younger with lots of stamina to be used in the entire fight, Inoue patiently waits for his rhythm to come back while suffering pain and is able to regain his strength and won that fight.

What I'm saying here is, if Moloney can't keep up with an opponent just the same as his age, while the old Donaire able to put the strongest bantamweight boxer in almost a defeat, I don't think that Moloney even at 32 years old will able to beat Donaire at 40 years old.

Age does matter? Not for this fight, I believed.

Hmm. Great observation. This might one of the good reasons why they will give Nonito Donaire the favorite line although I would prefer if they are almost tied so the profits will be better if ever Donaire wins as I will definitely take the bet for him as a Filipino brother.
So, both may have been defeated by Naoya Inoue but the performance that was shown by Donaire was better than Moloney's. I won't be expecting too much from Donaire here especially a KO ending but I do think the pressure will be on Moloney rather than on Donaire and he could use that to his advantage.

[Fredomago]

Jason Moloney was 29 years of age when he fought Naoya Inoue, which is 27 years old at that time. Not that gap in age and both are young guns and in their prime but their fight is not even a close fight as Moloney wasn't even able to give Inoue a problem and the fight result in a landslide TKO win by Inoue. An easy win by Inoue.

Nonito Donaire Jr. was 36 years old when he first fought Naoya Inoue, which is 26 years old at that time. 10 years gap and Donaire was at a veteran age already but able to give Inoue the most difficult challenge in his entire boxing career. Inoue suffers a cut above his right eye and that was the first time he received a cut. But since much younger with lots of stamina to be used in the entire fight, Inoue patiently waits for his rhythm to come back while suffering pain and is able to regain his strength and won that fight.

What I'm saying here is, if Moloney can't keep up with an opponent just the same as his age, while the old Donaire able to put the strongest bantamweight boxer in almost a defeat, I don't think that Moloney even at 32 years old will able to beat Donaire at 40 years old.

Age does matter? Not for this fight, I believed.

Hmm. Great observation. This might one of the good reasons why they will give Nonito Donaire the favorite line although I would prefer if they are almost tied so the profits will be better if ever Donaire wins as I will definitely take the bet for him as a Filipino brother.
So, both may have been defeated by Naoya Inoue but the performance that was shown by Donaire was better than Moloney's. I won't be expecting too much from Donaire here especially a KO ending but I do think the pressure will be on Moloney rather than on Donaire and he could use that to his advantage.

But if Maloney will play easy and give Donaire a good opening, we know how the flash works when his opponent gives him the chance. That hook and solid combination will bring Maloney to kiss the floor. I will also give my pick to Donaire, as he is still capable of throwing solid punches. It's jus so happen that Inoue is really a monster and Donaire is no longer in his prime.

not an excuse, but it affects him as with age gap, the flexes and the speed are no longer the same when you are still in your prime.

[btc_angela]

Jason Moloney was 29 years of age when he fought Naoya Inoue, which is 27 years old at that time. Not that gap in age and both are young guns and in their prime but their fight is not even a close fight as Moloney wasn't even able to give Inoue a problem and the fight result in a landslide TKO win by Inoue. An easy win by Inoue.

Nonito Donaire Jr. was 36 years old when he first fought Naoya Inoue, which is 26 years old at that time. 10 years gap and Donaire was at a veteran age already but able to give Inoue the most difficult challenge in his entire boxing career. Inoue suffers a cut above his right eye and that was the first time he received a cut. But since much younger with lots of stamina to be used in the entire fight, Inoue patiently waits for his rhythm to come back while suffering pain and is able to regain his strength and won that fight.

What I'm saying here is, if Moloney can't keep up with an opponent just the same as his age, while the old Donaire able to put the strongest bantamweight boxer in almost a defeat, I don't think that Moloney even at 32 years old will able to beat Donaire at 40 years old.

Age does matter? Not for this fight, I believed.

Hmm. Great observation. This might one of the good reasons why they will give Nonito Donaire the favorite line although I would prefer if they are almost tied so the profits will be better if ever Donaire wins as I will definitely take the bet for him as a Filipino brother.
So, both may have been defeated by Naoya Inoue but the performance that was shown by Donaire was better than Moloney's. I won't be expecting too much from Donaire here especially a KO ending but I do think the pressure will be on Moloney rather than on Donaire and he could use that to his advantage.

But if Maloney will play easy and give Donaire a good opening, we know how the flash works when his opponent gives him the chance. That hook and solid combination will bring Maloney to kiss the floor. I will also give my pick to Donaire, as he is still capable of throwing solid punches. It's jus so happen that Inoue is really a monster and Donaire is no longer in his prime.

not an excuse, but it affects him as with age gap, the flexes and the speed are no longer the same when you are still in your prime.

And with that age, comes Donaire's knowledge and experience, he might not have the speed just like when he was in his prime, however, his timing is still perfect for this division, that's why he was able to knock out younger boxer than him, until he hit a snag on a prime Inoue.

In any case, we should give Donaire his due if ever this fight pushes, and we can say that his chances are still very high to win this fight.

For all we know, this might not last the full 12 rounds or go to the judges scorecard.

[Fredomago]

And with that age, comes Donaire's knowledge and experience, he might not have the speed just like when he was in his prime, however, his timing is still perfect for this division, that's why he was able to knock out younger boxer than him, until he hit a snag on a prime Inoue.

In any case, we should give Donaire his due if ever this fight pushes, and we can say that his chances are still very high to win this fight.

For all we know, this might not last the full 12 rounds or go to the judges scorecard.

Yeah timing is what Donaire will take advantage, he knows that Maloney is not an easy opponent and also have that capability in throwing solid punches if he will be lazy not to prepare for this fight, though for sure the flash always take each fight as serious as it will be his last fight, we will expect him to analyze Maloney and he will adjust appropriately.

Experienced with proper executions, that's how I see Donaire once this fight takes place.

[harizen]

And with that age, comes Donaire's knowledge and experience, he might not have the speed just like when he was in his prime, however, his timing is still perfect for this division, that's why he was able to knock out younger boxer than him, until he hit a snag on a prime Inoue.

Since Moloney can't be compared to Inoue, the current performance of Donaire, at his current age, might still be effective on Moloney.

But still, I don't want to take Donaire's age as a hindrance. Moloney on the other hand isn't the Moloney before. Obviously, the quickness won't be the same in his prime but the point here is, that specialty of his didn't fade in an instant and he keep that even entering his veteran period.

Maybe the turning point of this match is, who will show a lack of stamina first where I believed Donaire will be at disadvantage if the fight last long.

[goinmerry]

Jason Moloney was 29 years of age when he fought Naoya Inoue, which is 27 years old at that time. Not that gap in age and both are young guns and in their prime but their fight is not even a close fight as Moloney wasn't even able to give Inoue a problem and the fight result in a landslide TKO win by Inoue. An easy win by Inoue.

Nonito Donaire Jr. was 36 years old when he first fought Naoya Inoue, which is 26 years old at that time. 10 years gap and Donaire was at a veteran age already but able to give Inoue the most difficult challenge in his entire boxing career. Inoue suffers a cut above his right eye and that was the first time he received a cut. But since much younger with lots of stamina to be used in the entire fight, Inoue patiently waits for his rhythm to come back while suffering pain and is able to regain his strength and won that fight.

What I'm saying here is, if Moloney can't keep up with an opponent just the same as his age, while the old Donaire able to put the strongest bantamweight boxer in almost a defeat, I don't think that Moloney even at 32 years old will able to beat Donaire at 40 years old.

Age does matter? Not for this fight, I believed.

And you skipped the rematch between Donaire vs Inoue? it's obvious Inoue beat Donaire very easy, it only need 2 rounds to finish him. You need to be clear to compare their performance, Donaire was able to survive when he was still 36 years old, but after next 3 years, Donaire's stamina and body aren't really as good as 3 years before.

Age does matter, but Donaire is just not to weak and still able to compete with B or C rank boxer. Similar like the other matured good boxers e.g. GGG, Pacquiao etc.

I know that someone here might point out that I skip the Naoya Inoue vs Nonito Donaire II.

The reason should be obvious, mate. I didn't include that rematch because there's already an adjustment, especially with Inoue.

Inoue is far way better than Moloney therefore, your analysis referring to Inoue won't be the same as Moloney fighting a 39-year-old Donaire.

I agree with you though at the stamina concern and Donaire's camp should be already aware of that.

[Sanitough]

He still got a shot and I believe that he can still reign once more before hanging his gloves, which I also do think that's what he wanted to do too.

Adding to that, his plans were just focused on a title match. He didn't consider fighting again at the bottom.

He truly knows that fighting again at the bottom or a non-title fight doesn't make sense and it's good to just hang his gloves instead.

Both of his plans are title matches;

- returning to 115 lbs and facing the champion
- returning to 118 lbs if Inoue will move up and fight for the vacant title

Since he still sits at top of the rankings even after losing to Inoue, he is eligible for both.

Fighting for the title do have more money in stake, so I'm pretty sure him and his wife knows the value so why bother to take the risk if the income is not that much, and with the kind of opportunity he still have since he still in the top position that eligibility to challenge the champion is a good option.

Now that Inoue decided to move up, the vacant belt is now free for the qualified rank fighters, he will take his chance and make some decent amount of money while having that good chance to own the belt.

Furthermore, he is not that behind as well in the rankings at 118 lbs and considering that he was a former reigning champion, he still have every right to call and fight the champions thus he knew that he will still attract audiences around the world and for that, organizers will always agree with him. Just like now, he is getting favored to participate one of Inoue's vacated belts.

[lionheart78]

I cannot understand why a 40-year-old person still insists on boxing, do these trainers not see that he is already too old? Could it be that their trainer, his physical trainer don't realize that Donaire is old? I keep asking myself the following: if Donaire is fighting for the money then why doesn't he retire and fight in these exhibition fights? because in exhibition fights he won't wear out his body and consequently wouldn't wear out his health

We really can't understand because we are not in their shoes.  There are reasons and it is possible that the boxer feels that he can still rock and beat opponents younger than his age.  The boxer might possibly overestimate himself or underestimate his opponent.  But I believe the aged boxer is just depending his action according to the condition of his body.

I am sure there are guidelines and tests the boxer's camp conduct before deciding anything and I believe Donaire passed them all. Donaire isn't just fighting for money alone but he is trying to bag a 5 division champion before he retires.