Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[chaser15]

Since I have read that Nery already has a scheduled bout against Azat Hovhannisyan, then it means obviously that they don't want to fight Casimero as there is no bearing fighting a lower rank where Nery is already at the top rank.

If that's the case, Casimero should choose another boxer below rank to Nery and have no choice but to have more winnings in able to get a chance to face a top contender. Hopefully this year, Casimero can close at least 2 fights and win it in order to get a recognition.

Casimero's camp needs to work it out and find a best fighter to negotiate, he needed to keep winning to bring his name up and gain the interest from the top rank fighters, so far, there's no update yet regarding to Casimero's next fight maybe it will be announce once they close a schedule and a sign contract was done.

Waiting to hear some good news for Casimero as he's not getting any younger, better to keep chasing to earn the spot of being top challenger for the belt.

No choice for Casimero but to settle the fight at those mid-rankings. Nice try though that they negotiate with Nery's camp but it's obvious that Nery has another target as Casimero is, no offense, just currently an ordinary boxer now with no strong status.

I believed that Casimero's camp and everyone on his team is doing their best to have Casimero at least settle a fight this year.

As you pointed out, Casimero is not getting any younger. For me, it's best to just deal for the meantime at those 5th to 7th rankings since as soon as he keeps on winning, the boxing council itself will recognize him.

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[btc_angela]

Since I have read that Nery already has a scheduled bout against Azat Hovhannisyan, then it means obviously that they don't want to fight Casimero as there is no bearing fighting a lower rank where Nery is already at the top rank.

If that's the case, Casimero should choose another boxer below rank to Nery and have no choice but to have more winnings in able to get a chance to face a top contender. Hopefully this year, Casimero can close at least 2 fights and win it in order to get a recognition.

Casimero's camp needs to work it out and find a best fighter to negotiate, he needed to keep winning to bring his name up and gain the interest from the top rank fighters, so far, there's no update yet regarding to Casimero's next fight maybe it will be announce once they close a schedule and a sign contract was done.

Waiting to hear some good news for Casimero as he's not getting any younger, better to keep chasing to earn the spot of being top challenger for the belt.

No choice for Casimero but to settle the fight at those mid-rankings. Nice try though that they negotiate with Nery's camp but it's obvious that Nery has another target as Casimero is, no offense, just currently an ordinary boxer now with no strong status.

I believed that Casimero's camp and everyone on his team is doing their best to have Casimero at least settle a fight this year.

As you pointed out, Casimero is not getting any younger. For me, it's best to just deal for the meantime at those 5th to 7th rankings since as soon as he keeps on winning, the boxing council itself will recognize him.

That's one thing though that Casimero doesn't have in his side, time.

He had wasted it in the last 2 years, those 2 fights with Butler that didn't happen, and he should be the one facing Inoue already. Now he has to go back to zero again. But the thing is that he is not getting any younger and it might take a minimum of two years before he will get the recognition that he needs before breaking again in the rankings and fight for the belt. And by that time, how old is he?

[stadus]

That super champion is the shortcut for Inoue to move up and be the top contender on the next weight division.  We may call it perk or advantage but still, it is a shortcut because he is cutting lines of the top contender on that division to fight for the title bout.

I don't think we can consider it a shortcut. Cutting lines on other contenders? Honestly, Inoue is already overqualified that's why it just makes sense for him to be up against a champion already at the Super Bantamweight. Again, 118 to 122 doesn't really have that difference that's why it should be obvious that Inoue, after moving up to 122 as a unified bantamweight champion with no loss record, can consider a top contender already at that weight.

Honestly, just be grateful since Bob Arum agrees to negotiate this fight as early as Inoue moved up since as we know, Arum's Top Rank doesn't really do business with PBC. They gave the fans the most requested fight once Inoue moved up and we will now witness it in a few months.

Well explained, indeed! Yes, it can't be considered as a shortcut because Naoya Inoue has earned the rights because he managed to be the undisputed boxer at 118 lbs. and it's not that he got helped by anyone who got influence, he himself is the reason why he got the chance to fight Steph Fulton right away. Bob Arum and WBO just helped to pave way to make this fight happen. In fact, this is rare because we know that PBC and Top Rank doesn't have any good relation ship and Bob Arum doesn't want a direct fight with the champion specifically if it's a first time for a boxer to step on that division.

[harizen]

But the thing is that he is not getting any younger and it might take a minimum of two years before he will get the recognition that he needs before breaking again in the rankings and fight for the belt. And by that time, how old is he?

He will turn 34 years old next month. They really need to secure a deal this year and try to have at least up to 2 fights to somehow have a chance to move up in the rankings. And for let's say they can secure a fight this year, a mandatory win is necessary as losing one more time will just put him on scratch.

Since the goal is to make some noise, any opponent around his current rank under WBC will do.

As currently rank 8th by WBC, he can take those ranked 5th to 7th. The best option for me is to try securing a deal with Naoya Inoue's younger brother, Takuma Inoue who defeated 5 PH boxers already in his career. Of course, the fight should be held at 122 lbs.

[Botnake]

But the thing is that he is not getting any younger and it might take a minimum of two years before he will get the recognition that he needs before breaking again in the rankings and fight for the belt. And by that time, how old is he?

He will turn 34 years old next month. They really need to secure a deal this year and try to have at least up to 2 fights to somehow have a chance to move up in the rankings. And for let's say they can secure a fight this year, a mandatory win is necessary as losing one more time will just put him on scratch.

Since the goal is to make some noise, any opponent around his current rank under WBC will do.

As currently rank 8th by WBC, he can take those ranked 5th to 7th. The best option for me is to try securing a deal with Naoya Inoue's younger brother, Takuma Inoue who defeated 5 PH boxers already in his career. Of course, the fight should be held at 122 lbs.

Yes, I agree. Casimero's camp should at least try and make a deal with Naoya Inoue's younger brother, Takuma, because he is currently listed as 5th in WBC's official rankings while Casimero's listed as the 8th, and a fight like that will help Casimero and his camp to make noise again as the Inoues are already known throughout the industry especially in Japan.

At least he needed to secure just a single fight first before they start and about the second bout, I know that Casimero's time is not that vast now because he is getting older and he's still at the bottom but his camp should know the priorities as of now.

[Vaculin]

We already know Bob Arum and I'm quite sure that there will be a rematch clause in this fight because even if they are just the challenger, it's still risky on their side because the reputation and value will be heavily affected. Inoue might remain as the #1 contender but a loss is a loss and he will need to prove his name again as it's also the only way towards the top.

Let's say there is no clause about the rematch. It will still depend on the champs camp to decide if it should happen.
I mean, what if Stephen Fulton wins and he felt like there's a chance for Inoue to defeat him on the next one? They would rather let him work his way up by defeating some of the higher contenders who are also asking for a chance at a title match than a rematch so they could prepare more and learn his movements while he is trying to go back up.
I do believe that even if Inoue loses this fight it will mark a great surprise to the champion that will affect the decision for a rematch. They might say no and protect the title, making a reason of "get in line, you are already defeated".

And let's say as well that there's no clause, but what if the opposite thing happens where Fulton was defeated? And they start to make another discussion again so that a rematch will happen, but what if Inoue's camp won't agree? They can't chase them if they won't agree because a clause wasn't written on their contract, and they will be left sorrowful because Inoue's camp is moving-on towards another belt holder.

A rematch clause will be helpful not just for Inoue's camp, it's a two-way road and the ones who will benefit it the most is the camp who possess the belts because they can still have another shot at their title that was once theirs and it's their as well to lessen the risk.

[lionheart78]

Beterbiev is 38 years old, and Yarde is 31 years old. Big difference in the age gap but Yarde said he is faster and younger and although Beterbiev is undefeated he will take advantage of this opportunity given to him. 3 titles in one match, this will be a big one if he wins this match. A big "if".

Power > Speed (at least for me)

Power + toughness < Speed + toughness for me.  With speed/reflex and toughness, a boxer can be able to withstand the powerful blow of the opponent if he is hit but most of the time he can evade the punches of the more powerful opponent and at the same time delivering more hits.

Speed doesn't matter for me if you can get knocked out in one power punch by your opponent. Beterbiev isn't throwing that much punches, but each of his punches is very strong that it can knock you out. That's why all of Beterbiev's wins are all coming from Knockout.

True that is why speed should be paired with toughness.  This reminds me of Roy Jones, he was quick and has great speed in his prime and be able to evade punches of the opponent while delivering punches.  Then later after his prime, he was exposed that he has a glass chin which became the target of his opponent that resulted in consecutive losses.

On the other hand, let's still not forget that anything can happen in basketball as well as in boxing. We've seen some upsets in the past years and this fight might be as well, but the chances of it to happen? Close to zero and even though the odds are kind of low, I might put a bet on Beterbiev on this one .

True there is always this variables that can change the tide of the game.

[danherbias07]

It's a win, yahoo.

Artem Dalakian won on a unanimous decision against David Jimenez.

Arthur Beterbiev knocked down Anthony Yarde with a right hook in the 8th round but after he got up the coach stepped in to save his fighter from more damage and stopped the fight.
I really thought Yarde is going to win it as he had his moments, especially in the 5th round as he hurt Beterbiev at some part but he failed to connect. The champion had some good defense and toughness and even if he doesn't have the speed, they made a good strategy for slowing down Yarde. From 4th round, Yarde's footwork was gone, he said he have the speed as his upper hand but he forgot to add some stamina.
The champion will be keeping all his belts.

[Botnake]

Congrats mate. The spread was very small for Artur, but it's still good because you won the game. It was not an easy win for him, good thing he was able to connect with a solid punch that put Yarde down and that was the end of the fight as Yarde could not respond anymore.

Just watch the highlights but I heard the news that he won the fight, he is still undefeated now and with a perfect KO win in all of his fights.

[Jawhead999]

Congrats mate. The spread was very small for Artur, but it's still good because you won the game. It was not an easy win for him, good thing he was able to connect with a solid punch that put Yarde down and that was the end of the fight as Yarde could not respond anymore.

Just watch the highlights but I heard the news that he won the fight, he is still undefeated now and with a perfect KO win in all of his fights.

Beterbiev is really a monster, no one can survive from his punch. I think if there's a fight where he can't knock out his opponent, anyone will think the boxer is capable and has a power to compete with Beterbiev. The odds for Beterbiev to win via decision is high too since everyone know Beterbive always knock out every opponents including the strong boxer like Yarde, Smith Jr, Gvozdyk and Browne.

Could Bivol survive for the complete 12 rounds or he will pull an upset against Beterbiev?

[Fredomago]

It's a win, yahoo.

Artem Dalakian won on a unanimous decision against David Jimenez.

Arthur Beterbiev knocked down Anthony Yarde with a right hook in the 8th round but after he got up the coach stepped in to save his fighter from more damage and stopped the fight.
I really thought Yarde is going to win it as he had his moments, especially in the 5th round as he hurt Beterbiev at some part but he failed to connect. The champion had some good defense and toughness and even if he doesn't have the speed, they made a good strategy for slowing down Yarde. From 4th round, Yarde's footwork was gone, he said he have the speed as his upper hand but he forgot to add some stamina.
The champion will be keeping all his belts.

Congrats and that's a good observation, it's the stamina and not just the speed, Beterbiev fight so well keeping his defense and make sure that he will have that energy to push the fight when Yarde is already running out of gas, it's a tough call but it's a needed call for the camp to avoid more damages for Yarde, if Beterbiev will connect more strong combinations they will risk the physical health of Yarde.

Better to stop and learn from this mistake and try to improve in case there's another chance of challenging the belt.

[Kemarit]

Congrats mate. The spread was very small for Artur, but it's still good because you won the game. It was not an easy win for him, good thing he was able to connect with a solid punch that put Yarde down and that was the end of the fight as Yarde could not respond anymore.

Just watch the highlights but I heard the news that he won the fight, he is still undefeated now and with a perfect KO win in all of his fights.

Beterbiev is really a monster, no one can survive from his punch. I think if there's a fight where he can't knock out his opponent, anyone will think the boxer is capable and has a power to compete with Beterbiev. The odds for Beterbiev to win via decision is high too since everyone know Beterbive always knock out every opponents including the strong boxer like Yarde, Smith Jr, Gvozdyk and Browne.

Could Bivol survive for the complete 12 rounds or he will pull an upset against Beterbiev?

Really hard to see how the Beterbiev vs Bivol will turn out. Obviously, Beterbiev has the power, but Bivol has the footprint and the volume punching.

Yes, I do think that Yarde did very good in this fight and judges awarded him as he was ahead in the 2 cards. But it's just a matter on time before he will be caught by Beterbiev's power and that happen. Just very unfortunately that he was doing good until the 8th, and the right hand had a lot of power as you can see in his eyes that he felt that power.

[Baofeng]

It's a win, yahoo.

Artem Dalakian won on a unanimous decision against David Jimenez.

Arthur Beterbiev knocked down Anthony Yarde with a right hook in the 8th round but after he got up the coach stepped in to save his fighter from more damage and stopped the fight.
I really thought Yarde is going to win it as he had his moments, especially in the 5th round as he hurt Beterbiev at some part but he failed to connect. The champion had some good defense and toughness and even if he doesn't have the speed, they made a good strategy for slowing down Yarde. From 4th round, Yarde's footwork was gone, he said he have the speed as his upper hand but he forgot to add some stamina.
The champion will be keeping all his belts.

Very nice mate,

Yes, it was a good performance Artem, it was a hard and grind fight, was a battle till the last round. Artem took the best shot of David Jimenez and there were times that you thought Jimenez got the best of the exchange. But Artem will come back and try to outwork him in the corner.

I agree that Yarde at some point of the fight, we think that he might have a good chance. As I have said in the previous thread, he is ahaed at least by a point in my unofficial scoring card. But Beterbiev has been in several wars himself and he knows what to do in order to win. And Beterbiev post fight that said Yarde punches hard too. But he prepared very well in this fight that's why he was able to make a comeback and it was over and didn't last 12 rounds.

[danherbias07]

Very nice mate,

Yes, it was a good performance Artem, it was a hard and grind fight, was a battle till the last round. Artem took the best shot of David Jimenez and there were times that you thought Jimenez got the best of the exchange. But Artem will come back and try to outwork him in the corner.

I agree that Yarde at some point of the fight, we think that he might have a good chance. As I have said in the previous thread, he is ahaed at least by a point in my unofficial scoring card. But Beterbiev has been in several wars himself and he knows what to do in order to win. And Beterbiev post fight that said Yarde punches hard too. But he prepared very well in this fight that's why he was able to make a comeback and it was over and didn't last 12 rounds.

Both fighters are hurt, Beterbiev's cut is actually the worst, eyelid cut. There's a chance the referee will stop it and I think that is why he was focused to end it immediately as it could be the reason for him to lose the belt. Yarde will win it too if the game ends with a UD, he had been throwing punches endlessly and that may have been the other reason for the exhaustion while Beterbiev picks his punches, accurate and solid ones.

Congrats and that's a good observation, it's the stamina and not just the speed, Beterbiev fight so well keeping his defense and make sure that he will have that energy to push the fight when Yarde is already running out of gas, it's a tough call but it's a needed call for the camp to avoid more damages for Yarde, if Beterbiev will connect more strong combinations they will risk the physical health of Yarde.

Better to stop and learn from this mistake and try to improve in case there's another chance of challenging the belt.

I am actually surprised and I think that was the first time I saw a coach go up the ring to stop the fight. I think Yarde said something to his coach after the knockdown and he got up to his corner. The referee is also too good to let him continue as I think it was a 10 count and he cannot get his hands up, it is the ref who forced him to make a fighting position.

[Baofeng]

There are rumors that Crawford will sign a contract with Golden Boy



https://twitter.com/OscarDeLaHoya/status/1619484337682157568/photo/1

Is this a good move from Crawford himself? Will Oscar Dela Hoya will able to work with PBC and Al Haymon to bring the biggest fight that we all have been waiting for?

Hopefully this will be the case, specially for Crawford who really wanted to get this fight. And Spence can't hide or duck anymore because that's one stumbling block in their first negotiations. Now there are someone more experience to talk in behalf of Crawford.

[YuginKadoya]

Artur Beterbiev VS Anthony Yarde ROUND 8 CORNER STOPPAGE - WIN - Round Range 7 - 9

It was an amazing fight to watch Anthony Yarde is not a push over, he is really aiming a counter at Beterbiev that resulted in Artur Beterbiev having some scratch to his face that resulted in a bloodied face Beterbiev but Yarde doesn't have the power in Knocking down Beterbiev, or Artur can withstand the punches of Yarde, It was really a solid fight and Anthony Yarde didn't really want to back down but his Corner felt that Anthony Yarde couldn't take anymore beating that they resulted in throwing the towel on Round 8 where Beterbiev knock down Anthony Yarde with a solid punch but Antony Yarde doesn't really want to give up so he stands up but Artur Beterbiev doesn't want that to happen and rain down punches on Yarde that resulted for Yarde's corner to stop the fight because they already know that Anthony Yarde will not give up on the fight and will continue, right now Artur Baterbiev has a stunning record of 19 wins all 19 are KO that was really a perfect record in my opinion,

I have won the bet on Round Range of 7 - 9 because I know that this fight will not be profitable if you don't have any other option for betting, but let's discuss what is next for Artur Beterbiev, I really think there isn't much anymore that wants to fight him,

[harizen]

Is this a good move from Crawford himself? Will Oscar Dela Hoya will able to work with PBC and Al Haymon to bring the biggest fight that we all have been waiting for?

For me, yes that's a move. In the world of the boxing industry, a legacy alone can't be built by a boxer himself. They really need the assistance of big and top promoters in order to secure a good fight with the best opponents and of course, that said promoter should always consider their boxer's preference.

When the supposed Crawford-Spence fight failed last year even though it was almost expected to happen, Bob Arum pointed out that if only Crawford was being handled by a well-known promoter, that fight might be pushed. His statement doesn't make sense but if Arum makes it possible during the time he handled Crawford, the boxing fans should already witness by now who was the winner between Crawford and Spence.

[goinmerry]

Really hard to see how the Beterbiev vs Bivol will turn out. Obviously, Beterbiev has the power, but Bivol has the footprint and the volume punching.

Agree. It's hard to imagine what will be the output if they will clash.

However, I might side with Bivol here. He knows how to counter strong punchers, even how dominant that boxer is, with his patient style of strategy.

When Bivol faces Canelo, which is a solid puncher, Bivol did the right thing to take things slowly until he managed to piss Canelo and destroy its rhythm. The strong punches by Canelo become soft because Bivol is able to counter him not just thru physical bout but also mental bout.

[LogitechMouse]

Really hard to see how the Beterbiev vs Bivol will turn out. Obviously, Beterbiev has the power, but Bivol has the footprint and the volume punching.

Agree. It's hard to imagine what will be the output if they will clash.

However, I might side with Bivol here. He knows how to counter strong punchers, even how dominant that boxer is, with his patient style of strategy.

The difference that I see between the 2 is that, Bivol can really move faster, he's a volume puncher and those punches have power. On the other hand, Beterbiev's slower than Bivol, not a volume puncher like Bivol, but his punches are stronger than Bivol and he also has the reach advantage over him as well (by only 1 inch).

I just watch Bivol's highlights against Joe Smith Jr and Beterbiev against Smith Jr. Bivol won against him by Unanimous Decision while Beterbiev just destroyed him in just 2 rounds. That alone might be a proof that power > speed (at least for me).

Overall, Beterbiev said on an interview that he wants to fight Bivol and if this happens (maybe this year), I'll side with Beterbiev with this one.

[Jating]

Really hard to see how the Beterbiev vs Bivol will turn out. Obviously, Beterbiev has the power, but Bivol has the footprint and the volume punching.

Agree. It's hard to imagine what will be the output if they will clash.

However, I might side with Bivol here. He knows how to counter strong punchers, even how dominant that boxer is, with his patient style of strategy.

The difference that I see between the 2 is that, Bivol can really move faster, he's a volume puncher and those punches have power. On the other hand, Beterbiev's slower than Bivol, not a volume puncher like Bivol, but his punches are stronger than Bivol and he also has the reach advantage over him as well (by only 1 inch).

I just watch Bivol's highlights against Joe Smith Jr and Beterbiev against Smith Jr. Bivol won against him by Unanimous Decision while Beterbiev just destroyed him in just 2 rounds. That alone might be a proof that power > speed (at least for me).

Overall, Beterbiev said on an interview that he wants to fight Bivol and if this happens (maybe this year), I'll side with Beterbiev with this one.

Yes, that's what you like about Beterbiev, now we hear that he wanted to fight his fellow Russian in a unification.

But the comparison or style is really contrasting as what other have define it. In any case though, obviously power > speed. But if that power can't connect, it will be a big waste. And if the speed always connect although not that powerful, it might have a effect as the fight goes on.

So very hard to digest this upcoming fight to be honest.