Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[Fredomago]

I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero.  You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

Bantamweight and SuperBantamweight don't really have much of a big difference. Inoue has a big chance of dominating the 122 lbs.

But John Riel Casimero as a basis for it? That was a pure non-sense argument. I like our own Casimero to face Inoue in the future and will support him obviously but for him to consider a big threat to Inoue seems not appropriate. Blame their camp because Casimero wasn't able to get the chance of facing Inoue in the Bantamweight.

As I mentioned, for that Casimero to be included in the discussion again, he just needs to keep on winnings until being recognized and moved up the rankings. There are lots of tough boxers in the 122 lbs aside from Inoue and those current champions.

Precisely! there are champions from this division they are the threat to be consider once Inoue start challenging them to have that chance to unify all the belts from this division, I don't see Casimero yet as he don't have that title and his ranking is far from anyone, he can fight and there's no doubt but to earn that respect and to move his way up, he needs to fight and win more.

For now, it will be depends on who will be the camp that Bob Arum will negotiate to challenge the current belt holder.

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[blockman]

If only they can get to fight him against Casimero this year, it would be the best fight ever because he still needs to prove he wasn't afraid of him at all.

What's done and done and that match won't happen again. I don't think that he'll ever chase Casimero as he's done with him, and Casimero's career.
He still got a few years left to prove himself and I'm sure that the fire that he's got inside after the two losses that he's got from Inoue, it will brought on with the possible upcoming fight that he's got for the vacated title that Inoue has left.

[boyptc]

There is no doubt that fans will still love him to watch.

True, I still wanted to see Donaire dance on the ring.  Even though the flash has aged, a fan will still be a fan, and wanted his supported boxer to see fighting and winning in the ring again.

We all talk about his age but that's a common thing to him and yes, we all remain to be a fan of his. We're giving him the support until he decides to retire or stop his passion.

Since the monster is out of the same division, we may see him dominate it but I don't want to be sure as of now until the fight happens and ends.

For now, we're good with discussions and talks about the possibilities of his career and where it is going. But one thing before his retirement, he don't want to end it with a lose.

I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero.  You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

Give him the chance and no doubt that he's going to dominate there just as how he dominated his past weigh division.

He knows what he's doing and that's why he has to move there, I'm not a fan of his but wishing him success there.

[Kasabus]

I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero.  You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

Bantamweight and SuperBantamweight don't really have much of a big difference. Inoue has a big chance of dominating the 122 lbs.

But John Riel Casimero as a basis for it? That was a pure non-sense argument. I like our own Casimero to face Inoue in the future and will support him obviously but for him to consider a big threat to Inoue seems not appropriate. Blame their camp because Casimero wasn't able to get the chance of facing Inoue in the Bantamweight.

As I mentioned, for that Casimero to be included in the discussion again, he just needs to keep on winnings until being recognized and moved up the rankings. There are lots of tough boxers in the 122 lbs aside from Inoue and those current champions.

Precisely! there are champions from this division they are the threat to be consider once Inoue start challenging them to have that chance to unify all the belts from this division, I don't see Casimero yet as he don't have that title and his ranking is far from anyone, he can fight and there's no doubt but to earn that respect and to move his way up, he needs to fight and win more.

For now, it will be depends on who will be the camp that Bob Arum will negotiate to challenge the current belt holder.

In short, Inoue already proved himself because he managed to defeat most of the boxers at 118 lbs that's why he is not campaigning at 122 lbs to see if his prowess can still keep up with the heavy names in the stated division. But for Casimero, aside from he is starting at the bottom this time, he should get himself recognize by winning more fights before we can say that he is indeed one of the threats in the division that a champion needs to face before he will be considered as the undisputed.

[Fredomago]

I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero.  You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

Bantamweight and SuperBantamweight don't really have much of a big difference. Inoue has a big chance of dominating the 122 lbs.

But John Riel Casimero as a basis for it? That was a pure non-sense argument. I like our own Casimero to face Inoue in the future and will support him obviously but for him to consider a big threat to Inoue seems not appropriate. Blame their camp because Casimero wasn't able to get the chance of facing Inoue in the Bantamweight.

As I mentioned, for that Casimero to be included in the discussion again, he just needs to keep on winnings until being recognized and moved up the rankings. There are lots of tough boxers in the 122 lbs aside from Inoue and those current champions.

Precisely! there are champions from this division they are the threat to be consider once Inoue start challenging them to have that chance to unify all the belts from this division, I don't see Casimero yet as he don't have that title and his ranking is far from anyone, he can fight and there's no doubt but to earn that respect and to move his way up, he needs to fight and win more.

For now, it will be depends on who will be the camp that Bob Arum will negotiate to challenge the current belt holder.

In short, Inoue already proved himself because he managed to defeat most of the boxers at 118 lbs that's why he is not campaigning at 122 lbs to see if his prowess can still keep up with the heavy names in the stated division. But for Casimero, aside from he is starting at the bottom this time, he should get himself recognize by winning more fights before we can say that he is indeed one of the threats in the division that a champion needs to face before he will be considered as the undisputed.

Simple as that, Casimero needs to keep on winning to bring his rank up and to have that chance to challenge a top caliber contender from this division for him to get that access to negotiate and challenge the belt holder, unlike with Inoue who can shortcut his way to challenge whoever he wanted, either  a belt holder or another known name from this division.

[Baofeng]

Regarding Josh Taylor injury, the WBO requires him to submit medical certification as ordered by WBO in the next 5 days. If you will remember this is the same case for Casimero before, when he has this problem with his stomach and can't proceed and fight to defend his belt. He was ask to submit the certification and then WBO green lighted the supposedly fight again with Butler, but we all know the rest is history.

And then after that they will decide if they allow Jack Catterall to fight someone for the interim belt while waiting for the champion to recover by his injury.

Josh says that it will take 6-8 for him before he can put any pressure on his feet, so it's going to be a long wait for Jack.

[goinmerry]

In short, Inoue already proved himself because he managed to defeat most of the boxers at 118 lbs that's why he is not campaigning at 122 lbs to see if his prowess can still keep up with the heavy names in the stated division. But for Casimero, aside from he is starting at the bottom this time, he should get himself recognize by winning more fights before we can say that he is indeed one of the threats in the division that a champion needs to face before he will be considered as the undisputed.

I remember someone mentioned here on this thread that Casimero's camp is looking forward to facing Luis Nery, one of the top ranks in the 122 lbs.

I'm not just sure if they will welcome Casimero's offer since no bearing on Nery if he will fight Casimero. Instead, Nery will push against another boxer at the rank.

The chance for Casimero to fight against well-ranked boxers is if one of the boxing councils will mandate it.

[stadus]

He still got a shot and I believe that he can still reign once more before hanging his gloves, which I also do think that's what he wanted to do too.

Adding to that, his plans were just focused on a title match. He didn't consider fighting again at the bottom.

He truly knows that fighting again at the bottom or a non-title fight doesn't make sense and it's good to just hang his gloves instead.

Both of his plans are title matches;

- returning to 115 lbs and facing the champion
- returning to 118 lbs if Inoue will move up and fight for the vacant title

Since he still sits at top of the rankings even after losing to Inoue, he is eligible for both.

Not surprising because he surely knows that he won't get anything more profitable from fighting boxers at the bottom as it will only attract a handful of audience that will result in a fewer sales generation. Whereas if he will fight directly at the champions or fight for the vacated title, he will be hitting two birds with one stone if he's really lucky as he will be getting a belt and the the purse split is somehow bigger than the first scenario mentioned.

[Japinat]

He still got a shot and I believe that he can still reign once more before hanging his gloves, which I also do think that's what he wanted to do too.

Adding to that, his plans were just focused on a title match. He didn't consider fighting again at the bottom.

He truly knows that fighting again at the bottom or a non-title fight doesn't make sense and it's good to just hang his gloves instead.

Both of his plans are title matches;

- returning to 115 lbs and facing the champion
- returning to 118 lbs if Inoue will move up and fight for the vacant title

Since he still sits at top of the rankings even after losing to Inoue, he is eligible for both.

Not surprising because he surely knows that he won't get anything more profitable from fighting boxers at the bottom as it will only attract a handful of audience that will result in a fewer sales generation. Whereas if he will fight directly at the champions or fight for the vacated title, he will be hitting two birds with one stone if he's really lucky as he will be getting a belt and the the purse split is somehow bigger than the first scenario mentioned.

Beides, Nonito Donaire's situation now is already different from before because he doesn't have all the time in the world anymore to fight some other guys at 118 lbs or to do some clean-up, and that is why he should be picky for his future fights and arrange all his schedules while he is still viewed as one of the threats in the bantamweight division.

[Getmon]

Regarding Josh Taylor injury, the WBO requires him to submit medical certification as ordered by WBO in the next 5 days. If you will remember this is the same case for Casimero before, when he has this problem with his stomach and can't proceed and fight to defend his belt. He was ask to submit the certification and then WBO green lighted the supposedly fight again with Butler, but we all know the rest is history.

And then after that they will decide if they allow Jack Catterall to fight someone for the interim belt while waiting for the champion to recover by his injury.

Josh says that it will take 6-8 for him before he can put any pressure on his feet, so it's going to be a long wait for Jack.

Is it correct that this is the last match of Josh Taylor in this division? Instead of holding on to Catterall, why not concentrate on the next weight? After becoming undisputed in this division, Josh Taylor, in my opinion, is losing his dedication. In his most recent match with Catterall, he did poorly. When that match took place in his home country, everyone expected him to defeat Catterall easily, but he didn't. Similar to what occurred with Paul Butler, an interim match should be given to Catterall.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Yeah, I like Inoue vs Allem fight, Allem is not that bad, rank number 4 by WBC and IBF, so this is going to be a good test for Inoue, sort of welcoming fight for him in 122 lbs.

He really needs that fight to get used to his new weight division and if he will have no problem beating his opponent, then dominating this division will be an easy job for him. He really works hard to unify all the major belts in his prime and now he is still in good shape to also push forward to create a history for himself that would be another long quest for him until he also becomes a unified champion here. Casimero should really work to get him at this point if he wants to get an opportunity to prove himself against Inoue or else he will retire from boxing thinking about what might gonna happen if they were given chance to fight against each other.

Well, judging that it is Allem and not Canelo or Bivol, it seems to me that this is a good thing for Inoue to start taking his first steps in that category, I think that he must not adapt much either9, however I think that he must still have some pressure, maybe a bit of shit, because it is known that the category he dominated was totally his, it is indisputable, but I think that if he is like that he can do the same for this category, if we put all this on the table , we can realize that this will be like a walk for him, even if he touches Allem , or whoever, the result will be the Welcome and possibly a victory.

In short, Inoue already proved himself because he managed to defeat most of the boxers at 118 lbs that's why he is not campaigning at 122 lbs to see if his prowess can still keep up with the heavy names in the stated division. But for Casimero, aside from he is starting at the bottom this time, he should get himself recognize by winning more fights before we can say that he is indeed one of the threats in the division that a champion needs to face before he will be considered as the undisputed.

I remember someone mentioned here on this thread that Casimero's camp is looking forward to facing Luis Nery, one of the top ranks in the 122 lbs.

I'm not just sure if they will welcome Casimero's offer since no bearing on Nery if he will fight Casimero. Instead, Nery will push against another boxer at the rank.

The chance for Casimero to fight against well-ranked boxers is if one of the boxing councils will mandate it.

Well, I am very sure of something, it is that Casimero always wants to face the best, it is not surprising that he wants that, so he is a boxer of that style, and it is one of the things I like, because that makes to his way of fighting and in turn pleases the fans, if he manages to put up a fight against him, it is a magnificent achievement, and it is the most correct thing, a boxer to be the best has to beat them all, earn the respect of all so that later they do not say that he only got there by sheer luck or because he lacked fighting against X opponent, all criticism is canceled there.

[Kemarit]

In short, Inoue already proved himself because he managed to defeat most of the boxers at 118 lbs that's why he is not campaigning at 122 lbs to see if his prowess can still keep up with the heavy names in the stated division. But for Casimero, aside from he is starting at the bottom this time, he should get himself recognize by winning more fights before we can say that he is indeed one of the threats in the division that a champion needs to face before he will be considered as the undisputed.

I remember someone mentioned here on this thread that Casimero's camp is looking forward to facing Luis Nery, one of the top ranks in the 122 lbs.

I'm not just sure if they will welcome Casimero's offer since no bearing on Nery if he will fight Casimero. Instead, Nery will push against another boxer at the rank.

The chance for Casimero to fight against well-ranked boxers is if one of the boxing councils will mandate it.

I like this fight because Casimero and Nery if I'm not mistaken, has been talking trash even before Casimero moved to 122 lbs. But it was during that time that Nery won the WBC super bantamweight title in 2020. However, he lost the belt to Brandon Figueroa in his next fight and the two stop their public brawl. But I still wouldn't mind seeing a Mexican warrior fought Casimero now. It will be a good name for Casimero if he wins against Nery and he could be a step closer to his goal of fighting for a belt in super bantamweight, so yeah, why not.

[Jating]

I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero.  You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

Bantamweight and SuperBantamweight don't really have much of a big difference. Inoue has a big chance of dominating the 122 lbs.

But John Riel Casimero as a basis for it? That was a pure non-sense argument. I like our own Casimero to face Inoue in the future and will support him obviously but for him to consider a big threat to Inoue seems not appropriate. Blame their camp because Casimero wasn't able to get the chance of facing Inoue in the Bantamweight.

As I mentioned, for that Casimero to be included in the discussion again, he just needs to keep on winnings until being recognized and moved up the rankings. There are lots of tough boxers in the 122 lbs aside from Inoue and those current champions.

Precisely! there are champions from this division they are the threat to be consider once Inoue start challenging them to have that chance to unify all the belts from this division, I don't see Casimero yet as he don't have that title and his ranking is far from anyone, he can fight and there's no doubt but to earn that respect and to move his way up, he needs to fight and win more.

For now, it will be depends on who will be the camp that Bob Arum will negotiate to challenge the current belt holder.

In short, Inoue already proved himself because he managed to defeat most of the boxers at 118 lbs that's why he is not campaigning at 122 lbs to see if his prowess can still keep up with the heavy names in the stated division. But for Casimero, aside from he is starting at the bottom this time, he should get himself recognize by winning more fights before we can say that he is indeed one of the threats in the division that a champion needs to face before he will be considered as the undisputed.

Inoue clean up that division, won the world bantamweight super series, so he has nothing to proved at 118 lbs, beat everyone has all the belts. And I think in recent years, one of the best accomplished by a fighter in his own division.

Casimero is different case though, yes he become a champion but hasn't proved that much as compare to Inoue so it's going to be a different path for him in 122 lbs that he is now campaigning. He can't just go and ask any boxing bodies that he wants to fight their champion.  He had to take the different route unline Inoue.

[OgNasty]

Crazy that Tommy Fury pulled out of his fight with Jake Paul for the third time. I think he’s using Jake Paul’s name to try and become relevant but he knows he can’t box so he’s just dragging this dude out as long as possible to get people to say his name. At this point Tommy Fury looks like a fake boxer. He keeps dropping the chance to secure the biggest bag of his life. He should just take the ass beating and collect a check. This is getting embarrassing.

[Fredomago]

I am still hesitant whether Inoue will dominate the 122 lbs unless he beats Casimero.  You can win the belt but unless you beat all the possible contender, there is no way to say that a boxer dominates that weight category since there is still 1 what if that is left which cause doubt in the mind of the boxing fans.

Bantamweight and SuperBantamweight don't really have much of a big difference. Inoue has a big chance of dominating the 122 lbs.

But John Riel Casimero as a basis for it? That was a pure non-sense argument. I like our own Casimero to face Inoue in the future and will support him obviously but for him to consider a big threat to Inoue seems not appropriate. Blame their camp because Casimero wasn't able to get the chance of facing Inoue in the Bantamweight.

As I mentioned, for that Casimero to be included in the discussion again, he just needs to keep on winnings until being recognized and moved up the rankings. There are lots of tough boxers in the 122 lbs aside from Inoue and those current champions.

Precisely! there are champions from this division they are the threat to be consider once Inoue start challenging them to have that chance to unify all the belts from this division, I don't see Casimero yet as he don't have that title and his ranking is far from anyone, he can fight and there's no doubt but to earn that respect and to move his way up, he needs to fight and win more.

For now, it will be depends on who will be the camp that Bob Arum will negotiate to challenge the current belt holder.

In short, Inoue already proved himself because he managed to defeat most of the boxers at 118 lbs that's why he is not campaigning at 122 lbs to see if his prowess can still keep up with the heavy names in the stated division. But for Casimero, aside from he is starting at the bottom this time, he should get himself recognize by winning more fights before we can say that he is indeed one of the threats in the division that a champion needs to face before he will be considered as the undisputed.

Inoue clean up that division, won the world bantamweight super series, so he has nothing to proved at 118 lbs, beat everyone has all the belts. And I think in recent years, one of the best accomplished by a fighter in his own division.

Casimero is different case though, yes he become a champion but hasn't proved that much as compare to Inoue so it's going to be a different path for him in 122 lbs that he is now campaigning. He can't just go and ask any boxing bodies that he wants to fight their champion.  He had to take the different route unline Inoue.

Even Casimero was a former champion he can't ask for a shortcut since he move up to this division without holding a belt if he's just wise and he move up before that mandatory fight, maybe the chance of winning the current belt is possible for him, but that's happen from the past and we can't compare both Inoue and Casimero in this division they are different in terms of ranking.

Just hope for the best and who knows maybe they are really destined to meet inside the ring, they just both need to win and let time dictates their fate.

[chaser15]

Even Casimero was a former champion he can't ask for a shortcut since he move up to this division without holding a belt if he's just wise and he move up before that mandatory fight, maybe the chance of winning the current belt is possible for him, but that's happen from the past and we can't compare both Inoue and Casimero in this division they are different in terms of ranking.

Who said that Casimero's camp is asking for shortcuts?

They are always silent when began stepping into 122 lbs. Even the talks with Akaho just come out of surprise. They surely know what they are doing for Casimero to be included again in the top rankings. For now, they are trying to negotiate as much as possible with those boxers above him. Currently, at WBC, he has now ranked 8, and after another 2 to 3 fights and won it, he might end up in 2nd or 3rd rank.

Just hope for the best and who knows maybe they are really destined to meet inside the ring, they just both need to win and let time dictates their fate.

Casimero is the one that badly needed to always win as Inoue is currently at the top now.

If Inoue will face his first defeat in the hands of Moloney, I'm seeing that Inoue will still be the Rank 1 contender and the rematch might happen.

[Baofeng]

Crazy that Tommy Fury pulled out of his fight with Jake Paul for the third time. I think he’s using Jake Paul’s name to try and become relevant but he knows he can’t box so he’s just dragging this dude out as long as possible to get people to say his name. At this point Tommy Fury looks like a fake boxer. He keeps dropping the chance to secure the biggest bag of his life. He should just take the ass beating and collect a check. This is getting embarrassing.

From what I read, he sends a cryptic message to Jake Paul, that Tommy and his girlfriend Molly Mae Hague is expecting the couple's first child.

So in this case, it might be the reason if he is going to pull out again. The problem is that this is the 3rd time and I don't think he is that really serious in fighting Jake Paul. Yeah, there could be money for this fight, but I doubt that he is willing to risk anything here.

I do agree, this is embarrassing for Tommy Fury and perhaps to Tyson himself.

[YuginKadoya]

What's done and done and that match won't happen again. I don't think that he'll ever chase Casimero as he's done with him, and Casimero's career.
He still got a few years left to prove himself and I'm sure that the fire that he's got inside after the two losses that he's got from Inoue, it will brought on with the possible upcoming fight that he's got for the vacated title that Inoue has left.

The only boxer I see winning because he punches to the back of the head although it is just a graze because the real thing that happens is Ryo Akaho just acted that Casimero hit him in the back of his head, yeah acting that he was hit on the back of the head, this is because Akaho was a great and brilliant actor that I think deserves an award,

Well, John Riel Casimero can not change the past any more than fight with Paul Butler and after that a clash with Naoya Inoue I think it will never happen because Naoya Inoue is now going up the division to unified the belts in that division aswell, if he can,

I like this fight because Casimero and Nery if I'm not mistaken, has been talking trash even before Casimero moved to 122 lbs. But it was during that time that Nery won the WBC super bantamweight title in 2020. However, he lost the belt to Brandon Figueroa in his next fight and the two stop their public brawl. But I still wouldn't mind seeing a Mexican warrior fought Casimero now. It will be a good name for Casimero if he wins against Nery and he could be a step closer to his goal of fighting for a belt in super bantamweight, so yeah, why not.

There is no official news or announcement about that fight, but these two are getting on beef at each other on social media, and many are surely intrigued about the situation that these two are getting at, may be a great fight to see and an opportunity for John Riel Casimero to get up the rankings faster, but I really doubt Luis Nery would fight a lower rank Casimero and risk it just because of their beef, but who knows, some sponsor would surely like to see that fight and maybe we could see that for sure, in the future,

[Fredomago]

Even Casimero was a former champion he can't ask for a shortcut since he move up to this division without holding a belt if he's just wise and he move up before that mandatory fight, maybe the chance of winning the current belt is possible for him, but that's happen from the past and we can't compare both Inoue and Casimero in this division they are different in terms of ranking.

Who said that Casimero's camp is asking for shortcuts?

They are always silent when began stepping into 122 lbs. Even the talks with Akaho just come out of surprise. They surely know what they are doing for Casimero to be included again in the top rankings. For now, they are trying to negotiate as much as possible with those boxers above him. Currently, at WBC, he has now ranked 8, and after another 2 to 3 fights and won it, he might end up in 2nd or 3rd rank.

He's not, I believe they will continue to keep fighting and hope to win those fights to make sure Casimero will be one of those good contender for the title match, right now he only got one fight but it reflect right away that he can really compete with a much bigger and much heavier opponent compare from how he started his career.

Just hope for the best and who knows maybe they are really destined to meet inside the ring, they just both need to win and let time dictates their fate.

Casimero is the one that badly needed to always win as Inoue is currently at the top now.

If Inoue will face his first defeat in the hands of Moloney, I'm seeing that Inoue will still be the Rank 1 contender and the rematch might happen.

Yup, Inoue can still do that if in case he might suffer from a defeat against the champ, he can ask for a rematch or it can be added from the contract that they will be signing. A rematch will bring them more money something that will give Arum a better interest to deal Inoue, just my own opinion..

[Reatim]

Crazy that Tommy Fury pulled out of his fight with Jake Paul for the third time. I think he’s using Jake Paul’s name to try and become relevant but he knows he can’t box so he’s just dragging this dude out as long as possible to get people to say his name. At this point Tommy Fury looks like a fake boxer. He keeps dropping the chance to secure the biggest bag of his life. He should just take the ass beating and collect a check. This is getting embarrassing.

Well that's the clear thing here because one is good 2 is enough , and now for the 3rd time? this is truly an irrelevant no matter what is His reason.
this is a clear popularization from his part and the team , though we are not sure if they are both using each others or they are just trying to find more support from the fans and bettor so they wanna make more noise before the fight finally happens.