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I think they will try to convince Zelensky of the need to resume peace talks. Let's see.
Convince Zelensky to resume peace talks? If they really will try to do that, they will come to wrong man. As already said many times, Ukraine are ready for peace talks, but Russia don't show any intentions to negotiate. The civilized world should be ignoring Russians, including the drooling mental patients on this forum. I don't think Ukraine should be negotiating with terrorists. Peter the Great, my ass. More like Peter the Gopnik. |
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I think they will try to convince Zelensky of the need to resume peace talks. Let's see.
Convince Zelensky to resume peace talks? If they really will try to do that, they will come to wrong man. As already said many times, Ukraine are ready for peace talks, but Russia don't show any intentions to negotiate. It is not true. The last face-to-face round of talks between Russia and Ukraine took place in Turkey at the end of March. After that, there were several more virtual rounds, during which Ukraine abruptly changed its position and retreated from previously reached agreements, refusing to extend security guarantees to the Donbass and Crimea. It seems that on May 17 the negotiation process completely stopped. The history of the negotiation process can be read for example here. False. Again, lie after lie, fake after fake,.. https://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-ukraine-revokes-the-geneva-convention/#:~:text=Ukraine%20signed%20the%20Geneva%20Convention,revoked%20Protocols%201%20and%202.Koval explains that according to the Third Geneva Convention on the treatment of prisoners of war, there is no provision for signatories to revoke their adherence to the Convention, therefore it is impossible to say that Ukrainian is revoking its implementation. A country could withdraw from the Geneva Convention and the treaty and its protocols have provisions entitling member states to denounce them. That is, Ukraine has virtually no possibility of derogating from the fulfillment of obligations under the convention. Russia’s statements about this contradict common sense and logic” Koval explains. Your link indicates that Ukraine signed the Geneva Convention in 1949 and ratified it in 1954. This is bullshit, because Ukraine was not an independent state either in 1949 or 1954, and being a union republic within the USSR, it could not do anything like that in principle sign and ratify. After the collapse of the USSR and Ukraine gaining independence, it was not Ukraine, but Russia that became the legal successor of the USSR, taking on, among other things, all the debts. Ukraine could not revoke the Geneva Convention, because, in principle, it never signed or ratified it. It did sign it in the dates stated, as a Republic with in the USSR. Seriously man, you do not have a clue of the history of your country? Do you understand the degree of freedom that the old Soviet Republics had - at least on paper - to even break away from the USSR if they decided so? https://treaties.un.org/pages/showdetails.aspx?objid=0800000280158b1aSeems that all sites have the same mistake and the same dates, great that you are here to correct them all. Ukraine Withdrawal of reservation 30/06/2006
Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic Declaration 16/08/1974
Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic Signature 12/08/1949
Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic Ratification 03/08/1954 03/02/1955
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ps You pretty much tired me with your false accusations and I left you a negative review. Keep in mind, I'm on the DT1 trust list and you're risking your bounty hunter career by spreading false accusations against me.
I could not care less. Believe me, you do not want to make this a "trust war" with me. particularly after all you have posted in this thread. There is material to write a book on what you and your handlers have invented. Although I can see that you have put a few comments on anyone here defending Ukraine. Pretty much a Trust system abuse. I am not going to be the one opening a reputation thread, but some other people may have more free time. User Date Reference Comments paxmao 2022-06-13 Reference Repeated false accusations. Ukrainian politically engaged account, do not trust this user. suchmoon 2022-03-30 Reference False accusation, empty slander. Do not trust this user. /quote] I can see you have put a comment for me - unsurprisingly is wrong, faked and a lie. And the worst thing, very easy to verify as false as I have a story of many years in the forum. I think they will try to convince Zelensky of the need to resume peace talks. Let's see.
Convince Zelensky to resume peace talks? If they really will try to do that, they will come to wrong man. As already said many times, Ukraine are ready for peace talks, but Russia don't show any intentions to negotiate. The civilized world should be ignoring Russians, including the drooling mental patients on this forum. I don't think Ukraine should be negotiating with terrorists. Peter the Great, my ass. More like Peter the Gopnik. I am dying to look for the google translate of Gopnik  Cool... there is even an article. Quite an accurate description, but I expected something more transgresive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopnik |
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ps You pretty much tired me with your false accusations and I left you a negative review. Keep in mind, I'm on the DT1 trust list and you're risking your bounty hunter career by spreading false accusations against me.
Abusing the trust system for "political" purposes, how Putinesque. You can't steal a TV from paxmao so you'll post mean words about him. Пepeмoгa. Donbas liberated. |
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ps You pretty much tired me with your false accusations and I left you a negative review.
If there's someone getting a negative Trust, then it's you for supporting war crimes and spreading lies.  Is supporting war crimes and spreading lies trustworthy? Nah! Keep in mind, I'm [have been] on the DT1 trust list and you're risking your bounty hunter career by spreading false accusations against me.
Have you ever been on DT1? Or are you just extremely clueless of how DT works? Your account is severely damaged from various incidents where you tried to get away with your abuse and your mischief.  Just like Putin's reputation got damaged after all his failed invasions in 2008, 2014 and now 2022. You have a well-deserved -10 DT1 on your account (meaning: you are short of 10 eligible DT1 votes): The highest ranked member trusting you is our spammer, off-topic troll and shitposter thandie from our German local board, reported for borderline plagiarism twice and known for his zero-value troll posts. (Nice list of supportes, you have there) Source: https://loyce.club/trust/2022-06-11_Sat_09.30h/986242.html |
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I think they will try to convince Zelensky of the need to resume peace talks. Let's see.
Convince Zelensky to resume peace talks? If they really will try to do that, they will come to wrong man. As already said many times, Ukraine are ready for peace talks, but Russia don't show any intentions to negotiate. It is not true. The last face-to-face round of talks between Russia and Ukraine took place in Turkey at the end of March. After that, there were several more virtual rounds, during which Ukraine abruptly changed its position and retreated from previously reached agreements, refusing to extend security guarantees to the Donbass and Crimea. It seems that on May 17 the negotiation process completely stopped. The history of the negotiation process can be read for example here. False. Again, lie after lie, fake after fake,.. https://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-ukraine-revokes-the-geneva-convention/#:~:text=Ukraine%20signed%20the%20Geneva%20Convention,revoked%20Protocols%201%20and%202.Koval explains that according to the Third Geneva Convention on the treatment of prisoners of war, there is no provision for signatories to revoke their adherence to the Convention, therefore it is impossible to say that Ukrainian is revoking its implementation. A country could withdraw from the Geneva Convention and the treaty and its protocols have provisions entitling member states to denounce them. That is, Ukraine has virtually no possibility of derogating from the fulfillment of obligations under the convention. Russia’s statements about this contradict common sense and logic” Koval explains. Your link indicates that Ukraine signed the Geneva Convention in 1949 and ratified it in 1954. This is bullshit, because Ukraine was not an independent state either in 1949 or 1954, and being a union republic within the USSR, it could not do anything like that in principle sign and ratify. After the collapse of the USSR and Ukraine gaining independence, it was not Ukraine, but Russia that became the legal successor of the USSR, taking on, among other things, all the debts. Ukraine could not revoke the Geneva Convention, because, in principle, it never signed or ratified it. It did sign it in the dates stated, as a Republic with in the USSR. Seriously man, you do not have a clue of the history of your country? Do you understand the degree of freedom that the old Soviet Republics had - at least on paper - to even break away from the USSR if they decided so? https://treaties.un.org/pages/showdetails.aspx?objid=0800000280158b1aSeems that all sites have the same mistake and the same dates, great that you are here to correct them all. Ukraine Withdrawal of reservation 30/06/2006
Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic Declaration 16/08/1974
Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic Signature 12/08/1949
Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic Ratification 03/08/1954 03/02/1955
Well, not bad - you convinced me. I admit that I was wrong in this case, although you provided a link to another convention (on the protection of the rights of civilians, although it was originally about the treatment of prisoners of war) and deleted my negative review. |
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The matter is still the same, the RF is not only showing disrespect for PoWs, they are even making a point of killing them in public. What can you expect if you are an RF captured soldier and there are no officers present?
You've got it all mixed up again. The trial of the mercenaries took place in the DPR, from the point of view of Russia it is an independent state, from the point of view of Ukraine it is the Donetsk region within Ukraine. Putin is a powerful man, but he has no power over the Supreme Court of a sovereign state (he doesn't even have power over Russia's Supreme Court). Of the countries that really matter to the case, this "independent state" is only recognised by RF and only sustained thanks to the RF money and weaponry. Stop pretending that something in the RF or the "republics" is done without the seal of the Tzar, nobody is going to believe you. Again, you can make any argument you want, it does not change the chances for the RF invading army PoWs.
Ukraine may actually be following it at government level - you can follow the convention even if you do not recognise it.
The matter is still the same, the RF is not only showing disrespect for PoWs, they are even making a point of killing them in public. What can you expect if you are an RF captured soldier and there are no officers present?
I heard its even worse if officer is present Officers of the Ukrainian defence army are there to implement the official policies. As of now, the official policy is to follow the rules of war and the Geneva Convention as far as I know. There may be groups in Ukraine that may not have such a degree of discipline, but that is a completely different matter from having an official policy of classing PoWs as "terrorists" and kill them. All in all, this simply makes life much harder for both RF and Ukrainian soldiers. I'd be careful challenging independence on the grounds of being sustained thanks to other nation's money and weaponry. ... The latest bill, which had been delayed for a week by the objection of Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, includes money for logistical support and training for Ukrainian military and national security forces, and for a fund intended to secure the continuity of Ukraine’s government. https://web.archive.org/web/20220609211642/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/05/20/upshot/ukraine-us-aid-size.htmlAs far as mercenaries, I believe to become Ukrainian citizen they would have to give up their previous citizenship as Ukraine doesn't allow dual citizenship, which apparently didn't happen. How are they different from other mercenaries, or is the claim that there are no mercenaries at all in Ukraine and all foreign fighters fall under Geneva convention now because they signed some paper with UA army? Following that logic Aiden Aslin wasn't a mecenary in Syria as well if he also signed some form there? Are you misinterpreting what I say on purpose or is it that you are really missing the point? The "statelets" were created by the RF invading them and declaring them as "independent" - AKA stealing the territory from Ukraine. Ukraine is independent because the majority of Ukrainians would rather not be under Adolf Putin's thumb but mainly because it is a country that is widely recognised as such by most, if not all, nations. The "independent" satellite regions of the RF empired have simply been invaded by the RF and then "declared" independent. Again, just a handful of countries recognise them - all pretty much directly linked to Adolf Putin. It is just plainly ridiculous that you try to compare that with Ukraine. As for your display of "evidence" of western support to a widely recognised independent country... nothing new. This war is burning many supplies from both many estates and particularly the US. This includes training in some quite new and sophisticated systems. ... It's easy: If the main criteria for you is "to be paid" it's easy to say that every russian soldier is a mercenary in terms of international law. russia didn't declare a war to Ukraine, only some kind of "special operation", so all it's soldiers on ukraine territory it's a mercenaries. Without a proper (in terms of russian law) procedure they are going to another country to fight because of the fat they get paid for it.
Bla bla bla So, as i see, you don't mind and agree with the idea that of russia didn't proclaime a war to Ukraine we can consider russian soldiers as mercs and can sentence them to death? Ok. Fair deal i think. If russians will shot this guys we should do the same with russian mercenaries. And this is something that Adolf Putin may even be happy to hear about if it happened. Most of the young Russians that are stupid or desperate enough to join the RF army have already been killed, captured or are at the front wishing to be back home. The only chance of getting new recruits is trying to generate hate - as of now he only has indifference and opposition and that does not win wars. Ukraine's goal is to #1 survive, #2 hold on to as much land as it can with minimal losses. US's goal is to 'weaken' Russia, Do you not see a conflict of interest with such arrangement? Knowing USs track record, do you think it's supporting and sending $50B out of goodness of its heart with no strings attached? How high (if at all) do you think Ukrainian soldier lives rank in US calculations to weaken Russia? If a goal is just to weaken Russia without defeating it, wouldn't supply of weapons look exactly as it does today, trickling in enough to cause higher losses (on both sides) and drag things on yet not enough to really change the ultimate outcome. Given the following option guess who would prefer what, think RU position is clear here, they're committed regardless. -Outcome X with Y UA losses and Z RU losses -Same outcome X only with >Y UA losses and >Z RU losses A puppet state, puppet régime, puppet government or dummy government is a state that is de jure independent but de facto completely dependent upon an outside power and subject to its orders. Puppet states have nominal sovereignty, but a foreign power effectively exercises control through means such as financial interests, economic, or military support. By leaving a local government in existence the outside Powers evade all responsibility, while at the same time successfully paralyzing the Government they tolerate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppet_stateNo need for "or", all boxes financial, economic, military are definitely checked off. Now you can claim that being under one power is more preferential than the other in certain sectors, but calling Ukraine independent at this stage is naïve |
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I think they will try to convince Zelensky of the need to resume peace talks. Let's see.
Convince Zelensky to resume peace talks? If they really will try to do that, they will come to wrong man. As already said many times, Ukraine are ready for peace talks, but Russia don't show any intentions to negotiate. The civilized world should be ignoring Russians, including the drooling mental patients on this forum. I don't think Ukraine should be negotiating with terrorists. Peter the Great, my ass. More like Peter the Gopnik.Yeah, comparing yourself to Peter the Great, especially with that self-congratulatory smile, it says something about you, doesn't it? I mean, it's OK for a patient of mental institution, but when such a person is in charge of the whole country, a big country with a lot of weapons, nukes included, it constitutes a threat to the whole world. |
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The matter is still the same, the RF is not only showing disrespect for PoWs, they are even making a point of killing them in public. What can you expect if you are an RF captured soldier and there are no officers present?
You've got it all mixed up again. The trial of the mercenaries took place in the DPR, from the point of view of Russia it is an independent state, from the point of view of Ukraine it is the Donetsk region within Ukraine. Putin is a powerful man, but he has no power over the Supreme Court of a sovereign state (he doesn't even have power over Russia's Supreme Court). Of the countries that really matter to the case, this "independent state" is only recognised by RF and only sustained thanks to the RF money and weaponry. Stop pretending that something in the RF or the "republics" is done without the seal of the Tzar, nobody is going to believe you. Again, you can make any argument you want, it does not change the chances for the RF invading army PoWs.
Ukraine may actually be following it at government level - you can follow the convention even if you do not recognise it.
The matter is still the same, the RF is not only showing disrespect for PoWs, they are even making a point of killing them in public. What can you expect if you are an RF captured soldier and there are no officers present?
I heard its even worse if officer is present Officers of the Ukrainian defence army are there to implement the official policies. As of now, the official policy is to follow the rules of war and the Geneva Convention as far as I know. There may be groups in Ukraine that may not have such a degree of discipline, but that is a completely different matter from having an official policy of classing PoWs as "terrorists" and kill them. All in all, this simply makes life much harder for both RF and Ukrainian soldiers. I'd be careful challenging independence on the grounds of being sustained thanks to other nation's money and weaponry. ... The latest bill, which had been delayed for a week by the objection of Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, includes money for logistical support and training for Ukrainian military and national security forces, and for a fund intended to secure the continuity of Ukraine’s government. https://web.archive.org/web/20220609211642/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/05/20/upshot/ukraine-us-aid-size.htmlAs far as mercenaries, I believe to become Ukrainian citizen they would have to give up their previous citizenship as Ukraine doesn't allow dual citizenship, which apparently didn't happen. How are they different from other mercenaries, or is the claim that there are no mercenaries at all in Ukraine and all foreign fighters fall under Geneva convention now because they signed some paper with UA army? Following that logic Aiden Aslin wasn't a mecenary in Syria as well if he also signed some form there? Are you misinterpreting what I say on purpose or is it that you are really missing the point? The "statelets" were created by the RF invading them and declaring them as "independent" - AKA stealing the territory from Ukraine. Ukraine is independent because the majority of Ukrainians would rather not be under Adolf Putin's thumb but mainly because it is a country that is widely recognised as such by most, if not all, nations. The "independent" satellite regions of the RF empired have simply been invaded by the RF and then "declared" independent. Again, just a handful of countries recognise them - all pretty much directly linked to Adolf Putin. It is just plainly ridiculous that you try to compare that with Ukraine. As for your display of "evidence" of western support to a widely recognised independent country... nothing new. This war is burning many supplies from both many estates and particularly the US. This includes training in some quite new and sophisticated systems. ... It's easy: If the main criteria for you is "to be paid" it's easy to say that every russian soldier is a mercenary in terms of international law. russia didn't declare a war to Ukraine, only some kind of "special operation", so all it's soldiers on ukraine territory it's a mercenaries. Without a proper (in terms of russian law) procedure they are going to another country to fight because of the fat they get paid for it.
Bla bla bla So, as i see, you don't mind and agree with the idea that of russia didn't proclaime a war to Ukraine we can consider russian soldiers as mercs and can sentence them to death? Ok. Fair deal i think. If russians will shot this guys we should do the same with russian mercenaries. And this is something that Adolf Putin may even be happy to hear about if it happened. Most of the young Russians that are stupid or desperate enough to join the RF army have already been killed, captured or are at the front wishing to be back home. The only chance of getting new recruits is trying to generate hate - as of now he only has indifference and opposition and that does not win wars. Ukraine's goal is to #1 survive, #2 hold on to as much land as it can with minimal losses. US's goal is to 'weaken' Russia, Do you not see a conflict of interest with such arrangement? Knowing USs track record, do you think it's supporting and sending $50B out of goodness of its heart with no strings attached? How high (if at all) do you think Ukrainian soldier lives rank in US calculations to weaken Russia? If a goal is just to weaken Russia without defeating it, wouldn't supply of weapons look exactly as it does today, trickling in enough to cause higher losses (on both sides) and drag things on yet not enough to really change the ultimate outcome. Given the following option guess who would prefer what, think RU position is clear here, they're committed regardless. -Outcome X with Y UA losses and Z RU losses -Same outcome X only with >Y UA losses and >Z RU losses A puppet state, puppet régime, puppet government or dummy government is a state that is de jure independent but de facto completely dependent upon an outside power and subject to its orders. Puppet states have nominal sovereignty, but a foreign power effectively exercises control through means such as financial interests, economic, or military support. By leaving a local government in existence the outside Powers evade all responsibility, while at the same time successfully paralyzing the Government they tolerate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppet_stateNo need for "or", all boxes financial, economic, military are definitely checked off. Now you can claim that being under one power is more preferential than the other in certain sectors, but calling Ukraine independent at this stage is naïve US is on a dilemma. I am quite sure that, if the US de-facto powers wanted this war to end in a couple of months it would happen. Zelensky is right in essence: send me the weapons we need, keep the intelligence support, train the Ukrainian soldiers and we are likely to recover ground and eventually reach a point in which the RF comes to the table with a "minimize loss" mandate or "lift sanctions and forget about all this" attitude. An you are right, that is not the current way of thinking for the US - it would be the UK that actually would rather finish the war ASAP, RF money is much loved in "Londongrad". Why is that not happening? - Being brutally honest, I think that the US would not mind having a couple of statelets between Ukraine and the RF, particularly if Ukraine joins NATO. - One of the reasons is that Putin's regime, until now, has ensured that the old USSR nuclear arsenal does not fall in the wrong hands. - Another is that Putin is actually an ally or an useful guy in other aspects, like fighting the PBS - Psychos Blaming God, AKA Daesh, Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram and friends... - Lastly, while Putin's regime is internally managed as a Mafia Family, it generates plenty of business for those who live on the plutocrats style of life outside the RF. Putin, until now, was not really troubling the US nor Europe until now, even the annexation of Crimea was not responded as it should have, but he has miscalculated the effects of this war on Europe, including UK and Germany and including other countries that are not in the EU. Putin considers that the RF still has a similar sphere of influence as the USSR did, which I think is no longer the case - simply because the RF is not even close to the economic and cultural influence that was the USSR. I think we agree on something, the US may be a winner on this war, the EU is not in the short term (there may be beneficial effects to the energetic transition in the long term), Ukraine is not a short term winner (there will be a push to his status in EU after the war) and, lastly, the RF. The RF may or may not get some (devastated) territory from Ukraine at the expense of crippling its economy and diplomatic stance for a long, long, long time. Re Ukraine becoming a "Puppet", I think it would not be the case. All the west is pretty much interdependent and economic ties are strong and certainly some countries have more weight than others, but there are continuous negotiations and trade-offs that usually result in progress for all. |
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ps You pretty much tired me with your false accusations and I left you a negative review. Keep in mind, I'm on the DT1 trust list and you're risking your bounty hunter career by spreading false accusations against me.
Abusing the trust system for "political" purposes, how Putinesque. You can't steal a TV from paxmao so you'll post mean words about him. Пepeмoгa. Donbas liberated. To Пepeмoгa and to my TV. |
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ps You pretty much tired me with your false accusations and I left you a negative review. Keep in mind, I'm on the DT1 trust list and you're risking your bounty hunter career by spreading false accusations against me.
Abusing the trust system for "political" purposes, how Putinesque. You can't steal a TV from paxmao so you'll post mean words about him. Пepeмoгa. Donbas liberated. To Пepeмoгa and to my TV. It is interesting that while you, foaming at the mouth, reasonably argued to me that Ukraine signed and ratified the Geneva Convention for the Protection of Civilians in Wartime, the Armed Forces of Ukraine from multiple launch rocket systems randomly shelled residential areas of Donetsk, including the market and the maternity hospital, that the representative of the UN Secretary General called yesterday a clear violation of humanitarian law. What hypocrisy. |
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Abusing the trust system for "political" purposes, how Putinesque. You can't steal a TV from paxmao so you'll post mean words about him. Пepeмoгa. Donbas liberated. To Пepeмoгa and to my TV. It is interesting that while you, foaming at the mouth, reasonably argued to me that Ukraine signed and ratified the Geneva Convention for the Protection of Civilians in Wartime, the Armed Forces of Ukraine from multiple launch rocket systems randomly shelled residential areas of Donetsk, including the market and the maternity hospital, that the representative of the UN Secretary General called yesterday a clear violation of humanitarian law. What hypocrisy. Ukraine violated the convention by shelling Ukraine? (if that's happened I mean) Civil areas should not be indiscriminately attacked in any case. EDITED to correct "should NOT". I have read in the news that RF and Ukraine are blaming each other on this one and I do not think there is going to be a clear proof that it was the RF. |
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It is interesting that while you, foaming at the mouth, reasonably argued to me that Ukraine signed and ratified the Geneva Convention for the Protection of Civilians in Wartime, the Armed Forces of Ukraine from multiple launch rocket systems randomly shelled residential areas of Donetsk, including the market and the maternity hospital, that the representative of the UN Secretary General called yesterday a clear violation of humanitarian law. What hypocrisy. Ukraine violated the convention by shelling Ukraine? (if that's happened I mean) Civil areas should be indiscriminately attacked in any case. That wasn't Ukraine shelling Ukraine. That was a Nazi, anti-Ukraine/anti-Russia government that was shelling Ukraine. There are so many people in Ukraine and Russia who want the US and Europe out of Ukraine. If that happened, things might go back to normal.  |
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It is interesting that while you, foaming at the mouth, reasonably argued to me that Ukraine signed and ratified the Geneva Convention for the Protection of Civilians in Wartime, the Armed Forces of Ukraine from multiple launch rocket systems randomly shelled residential areas of Donetsk, including the market and the maternity hospital, that the representative of the UN Secretary General called yesterday a clear violation of humanitarian law. What hypocrisy. Ukraine violated the convention by shelling Ukraine? (if that's happened I mean) Civil areas should be indiscriminately attacked in any case. That wasn't Ukraine shelling Ukraine. That was a Nazi, anti-Ukraine/anti-Russia government that was shelling Ukraine. There are so many people in Ukraine and Russia who want the US and Europe out of Ukraine. If that happened, things might go back to normal. Anglosaxons will defend their property in Ukraine down to the last Ukrainian https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/sites/oaklandinstitute.org/files/Brief_CorporateTakeoverofUkraine_0.pdf |
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It is interesting that while you, foaming at the mouth, reasonably argued to me that Ukraine signed and ratified the Geneva Convention for the Protection of Civilians in Wartime, the Armed Forces of Ukraine from multiple launch rocket systems randomly shelled residential areas of Donetsk, including the market and the maternity hospital, that the representative of the UN Secretary General called yesterday a clear violation of humanitarian law. What hypocrisy. Ukraine violated the convention by shelling Ukraine? (if that's happened I mean) Civil areas should be indiscriminately attacked in any case. That wasn't Ukraine shelling Ukraine. That was a Nazi, anti-Ukraine/anti-Russia government that was shelling Ukraine. There are so many people in Ukraine and Russia who want the US and Europe out of Ukraine. If that happened, things might go back to normal. Anglosaxons will defend their property in Ukraine down to the last Ukrainian https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/sites/oaklandinstitute.org/files/Brief_CorporateTakeoverofUkraine_0.pdfCould be entitled, "Biden's most successful money laundering scheme." |
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June 16, 2022, 10:57:57 AM
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It is interesting that while you, foaming at the mouth, reasonably argued to me that Ukraine signed and ratified the Geneva Convention for the Protection of Civilians in Wartime, the Armed Forces of Ukraine from multiple launch rocket systems randomly shelled residential areas of Donetsk, including the market and the maternity hospital, that the representative of the UN Secretary General called yesterday a clear violation of humanitarian law. What hypocrisy. Ukraine violated the convention by shelling Ukraine? (if that's happened I mean) Civil areas should be indiscriminately attacked in any case. That wasn't Ukraine shelling Ukraine. That was a Nazi, anti-Ukraine/anti-Russia government that was shelling Ukraine. There are so many people in Ukraine and Russia who want the US and Europe out of Ukraine. If that happened, things might go back to normal. Anglosaxons will defend their property in Ukraine down to the last Ukrainian https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/sites/oaklandinstitute.org/files/Brief_CorporateTakeoverofUkraine_0.pdfWhat I see in your source does not seem specific to Anglos. In fact, it is RF the one with the largest investment apart from companies that operate from tax havens and may be owned by RF citizens as well. It is as easy to interpret that the RF is "protecting" Adolf Putin investments to the last Russian soldier. It says that the EU would invest a billion in 2014. What was Putin doing in 2014? Investing in Ukraine or taking Crimea from Ukraine? By the way Branko, I would love to have your view on the politics in Argentina and how effective have they been. I am saying this because of the massive public sector and the nearly 50% poverty rate. Is that you model for Ukraine? |
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June 16, 2022, 03:26:39 PM
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author=paxmao link=topic=5382794.msg60373565#msg60373565 date=1655377077] Anglosaxons will defend their property in Ukraine down to the last Ukrainian https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/sites/oaklandinstitute.org/files/Brief_CorporateTakeoverofUkraine_0.pdfWhat I see in your source does not seem specific to Anglos. In fact, it is RF the one with the largest investment apart from companies that operate from tax havens and may be owned by RF citizens as well. It is as easy to interpret that the RF is "protecting" Adolf Putin investments to the last Russian soldier. It says that the EU would invest a billion in 2014. What was Putin doing in 2014? Investing in Ukraine or taking Crimea from Ukraine? By the way Branko, I would love to have your view on the politics in Argentina and how effective have they been. I am saying this because of the massive public sector and the nearly 50% poverty rate. Is that you model for Ukraine? This is best form, IMO, but not for primitive societies like Russia, Yugoslavia, Argentina, or UK, but Norway or Sweden...others have to catch up first https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_self-managementSome good ideas here https://www.thevenusproject.com/ |
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June 16, 2022, 09:59:18 PM |
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Anglosaxons will defend their property in Ukraine down to the last Ukrainian
This is interesting (i mean anthropological interest) russian propaganda take: west will fight against russia till last ukrainian. Why it's interesting? Mostly because it shows ukrainians as some kind of brainless animals - 1 And second, more important point is that russians bombing ukrainian cities, killing ukrainian people, raping ukrainian women, stealing ukrainian goods. And then they like "oh, why ukrainians fighting??? Because The West tell them to do so"True story, yeah. Yugoslavia
Yugoslavia doesn't exist. You have lost in the time, dude. |
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June 16, 2022, 10:54:24 PM |
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This is interesting (i mean anthropological interest) russian propaganda take: west will fight against russia till last ukrainian.
Why it's interesting? Mostly because it shows ukrainians as some kind of brainless animals - 1
Projection. Similar to their obsession with Zelensky (accusations of drug use etc), as if he's some sort of Putin-like dictator and personally responsible for the war. Propaganda works best when it's based on familiar concepts. |
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Russia is having more and more success in overcoming Ukraine. The tricky part is to do it without pushing the whole thing into a full blown war. So far, the US is helping Russia by not giving her full military support to Ukraine.
Ukraine is running out of ammunition as Russia continues to overpower its militaryUkraine’s prospects for victory in the war against Russia are growing dimmer by the day. The situation is compounded by the fact that its military is quickly running out of ammunition.
As the grinding war depletes Ukraine’s domestic stores of ammunition, the Ukrainian military is being forced to rely more and more on ammunition provided to it by its Western allies. (Related: Russian political scientist warns “nuclear war is coming” if the West keeps escalating conflict in Ukraine.)
But these promised Western munitions are arriving too slowly and in insufficient quantities for the Ukrainian military to put up a proper defense against Russia’s incremental gains in the eastern Donbas region, which is now the focus of the war.
The Russians are also losing a lot of equipment in the war, but at a far lesser rate than in the first months of the conflict.
Furthermore, the overall trajectory of the war has unmistakably shifted away from one where Ukraine could have gotten a favorable peace deal with Russia and tilted heavily in Russia’s favor as it proves itself to be the demonstrably stronger force in the conflict.
“The strategies and tactics of the Russians are completely different right now. They are being much more successful,” said Oleksandr Danylyuk, an adviser to the Ukrainian government on issues of defense and intelligence. “They have more resources than us and they are not in a rush. There’s much less space for optimism right now.”
Ukraine’s military relies almost entirely on artillery due to lack of bullets for their guns
Vadym Skibitsky, deputy head of Ukraine’s military intelligence, has admitted that Ukraine is losing against Russia and is now reliant almost entirely on weapons systems supplied to the country by the West, specifically artillery.
“This is an artillery war now,” said Skibitsky. “And we are losing in terms of artillery.”
“Everything now depends on what [the West] gives us,” he added. “Ukraine has one artillery piece to 10 to 15 Russian artillery pieces. Our western partners have given us about 10 percent of what they have.”
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