Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[tvbcof]

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The thing that Putin really needs to do is send a bunch of Oreshniks into Ukraine, and take out the research facilities that house this stuff. And he needs to do it right now so that the stuff spreads throughout Ukraine rather than being sent to Moscow.
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I'd only question the 'into Ukraine' part.

If the West, acting through their demonic dwarf Zelensky, did a biological attack on the leadership of a large fraction of the world I could see widespread global support for vastly increased targeting of 'decision making centers' to receive the Oreshnik cleansing treatment.

The actual research facilities are spread across hapless third-world countries around the globe, and the people who would get sickened don't really deserve it.  Their corrupt leadership who allowed the research certainly do though, and my fondest hope is that they meet justice within my lifetime.

I've been waiting for years for some awareness of this issue to make it into the public consciousness.  Even the coviads plandemic didn't do the trick.  Hopefully the world's populations will wake up and stop tolerating biological and chemical attacks on themselves by a bunch of creepy eugenicists.

[paxmao]

Seems that Trump has signed a deal with Ukraine (not Zelensky) to support them, somewhat, in return for mined minerals. Is this accurate and true? If it is, how will that play into a deal Trump might have been considering with Russia... a deal for many times the minerals that Ukraine can offer?

Part of this is false information.

True, Zelensky did not sign the deal. Trump did not sign the deal either. Do you think Trump is not POTUS?

Nah, there is a simple explanation: in diplomacy, most times the deals, negotiations, etc... are signed by what is considered an equivalent level of representation of the US. The lady signing for Ukraine is First Deputy Prime Minister Yulia Svyrydenko, which is part of Zelenky's government. Equivalent to Bessent in diplomatic terms, who signed for US.

Now, Ukraine did not "give the minerals to the US". The deal does however specifically excludes ANY RUZZIAN participation in the future reconstruction of Ukraine and particularly in their mineral resources. The treaty establishes a very generic framework in which business must be done in favour of both nations.

It is actually quite interesting for Ukraine to have US interests - at least there is some interest from US to keep it independent that way.

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What is really interesting is that the US is more or less moving into Ukraine. That's the exact thing that Putin and Russia didn't want. That's even worse than making Ukraine part of NATO. What will be the result?


Putin declared a 3-day ceasefire for holiday celebrations starting the 9th of May. Zelensky didn't go along with it, and instead threatened to attack the festivities in Moscow... where there will be heads of state from a bunch of different countries.

Zelendky seemed to be somewhat secretive about what he is going to do to Moscow. Of course, Russia will be ready with their defenses. But I think that Zelensky has something totally different in mind than a standard drone and missile attack.

It's been known for a long time that there are gain of function labs all over the world. There are some in Ukraine... labs that have been used to make Covid and other similar things. It wouldn't surprise me if Z loaded a bunch of mRNA stuff into some drones and missiles, and sent them to Moscow along with regular exploding ones. Then when Russia shot them down, Russia would actually be sending the gain of function materials into the atmosphere in Moscow, thereby infecting their own people with Covid, etc.

You can see gain of function info in this video if you are interested:
BOMBSHELL!! Director Of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard Now Investigating Fauci For His Role In Creating COVID-19, Says “We Have To End Gain-of-Function Research!”


The thing that Putin really needs to do is send a bunch of Oreshniks into Ukraine, and take out the research facilities that house this stuff. And he needs to do it right now so that the stuff spreads throughout Ukraine rather than being sent to Moscow.


The cure/control is listed in the Ardis website(s) below. Since the Covid stuff is poisonous because it is made out of snake venom, everybody needs to have supplies of nicotine, zinc, hydroxychloroquine, and ivermectin on hand. These will stop the majority of deaths from the Covid and other gain of function materials.

Maybe some Russian and Ukrainian comrades will read this post and warn their people that this might be Zelensky's plan. After all, Z is being very secretive in a strange way, but he seems to be very sure of himself.

Putin has exchanged nearly a million soldiers, billions in weapons (some of which cannot be replenished), their arms sales to allies, their international reputation, their relation with Europe for... 20% of Ukraine and...

- The likelyhood that Ukraine will be armed to the teeth (NOT in NATO most likely).
- Finland and Sweeden into NATO.
- Europe willing to spend in weapons.
- US having a reason to defend Ukraine.

Is not a good deal.

RE Moscow, etc... you "ideas" are pretty wild. Zelensky has said that Ukraine cannot guarantee the security of anyone visiting Moscow in times of war. That it is for the Kremlin to guarantee that security - which they cannot.

But I do not think Ukraine will do absolutely anything in Moscow. However, I am pretty sure that Ukraine will celebrate all those air defence systems being brought to Moscow with their own "celebrations" in several strategic military and oil exporting locations.

Everyone has the right to throw a party you know.

[BADecker]

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The thing that Putin really needs to do is send a bunch of Oreshniks into Ukraine, and take out the research facilities that house this stuff. And he needs to do it right now so that the stuff spreads throughout Ukraine rather than being sent to Moscow.
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I'd only question the 'into Ukraine' part.

If the West, acting through their demonic dwarf Zelensky, did a biological attack on the leadership of a large fraction of the world I could see widespread global support for vastly increased targeting of 'decision making centers' to receive the Oreshnik cleansing treatment.

The actual research facilities are spread across hapless third-world countries around the globe, and the people who would get sickened don't really deserve it.  Their corrupt leadership who allowed the research certainly do though, and my fondest hope is that they meet justice within my lifetime.

I've been waiting for years for some awareness of this issue to make it into the public consciousness.  Even the coviads plandemic didn't do the trick.  Hopefully the world's populations will wake up and stop tolerating biological and chemical attacks on themselves by a bunch of creepy eugenicists.

That's why I tossed in the info about Dr. Ardis and the mRNA cures/controls.

It's about time that we protect ourselves from Covid and Covid-like, snake venom, manufactured constructs. Take Ardis seriously. He is basing his info on findings that are public, that the researchers who developed Covid snake poisoning have made public over the years.

Currently, the 'war' is actively between Russia and Ukraine, even though it (the war) has been developed by the elite who are depopulating the world using snake-venom tech.

Watch: The Other "N" Word for starters.

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Putin has exchanged nearly a million soldiers, billions in weapons (some of which cannot be replenished), their arms sales to allies, their international reputation, their relation with Europe for... 20% of Ukraine and...

- The likelyhood that Ukraine will be armed to the teeth (NOT in NATO most likely).
- Finland and Sweeden into NATO.
- Europe willing to spend in weapons.
- US having a reason to defend Ukraine.

Is not a good deal.

RE Moscow, etc... you "ideas" are pretty wild. Zelensky has said that Ukraine cannot guarantee the security of anyone visiting Moscow in times of war. That it is for the Kremlin to guarantee that security - which they cannot.

But I do not think Ukraine will do absolutely anything in Moscow. However, I am pretty sure that Ukraine will celebrate all those air defence systems being brought to Moscow with their own "celebrations" in several strategic military and oil exporting locations.

Everyone has the right to throw a party you know.

Putin is simply getting rid of old, outdated military armament.

Your 'exchanged' numbers don't match Russia's reported numbers. Russia's operations are not against the world. Rather, they are the only thing that is maintaining freedom in the world, from the conquest of the elite banking system. True, Trump is helping Russia by his operations, a little.

When you look at my 'wild' ideas, they are being confirmed by others, though not exactly as I state them. Watch this very short video: Dr. Naomi Wolf puts 2 and 2 together for everyone: It is a huge attack on humanity.

If Ukraine does nothing, Zelensky will be shown to be a wind-bag. He can't endure that kind of advertising and hope to maintain his position as the leader he wants to be. His own people will see it sooner or later, and expel him from office and the country. It doesn't matter to him, much. He has his 'mansions' set up in various parts of the world, including the US and Switzerland.

If Ukraine doesn't get help, they are done. It's being shown in the fact of Russia's gradual conquest of lands that they claim are theirs. If Zelensky had capitulated at the beginning of the war, hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved, and Russia would not have gone much (if any) further than the Black Sea Corridor. Now, Russia will take all of Ukraine, and possibly won't need Oreshnik to do it.

Zelensky needs to get off his cocaine, drop his boasting to himself, and start caring for his people.

[paxmao]

As usual mostly fake information and copy paste of Ruzzian propaganda about their wunderwaffe, the private life of Zelensky and a general lack of understanding of the objectives of Putin - clue: Putin is perfectly fine with the "world banking system" - like most rich people that are fully involved and  profiting from it.

And here comes JD Vance... he seems to have mastered the secrets of Ruzzian diplomacy, chapter one, lesson one.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/07/vance-munich-meeting-russia-ukraine-00332623

Vice President JD Vance said Wednesday that Russia is “asking for too much” to end its war with Ukraine, underscoring new frustrations in the Trump White House over its efforts to court Moscow on peace talks.

Speaking to the Munich Leaders Meeting in Washington, he said that the U.S. is focusing on a long-term settlement since Russia has rejected the U.S. call for a 30-day ceasefire. Moscow has said that sort of temporary pause is not in its strategic interest because it would allow Ukraine to regroup.

So... finally some understanding here.

[BADecker]

^^^ In all that wonderful understanding, understand what is happening on the ground. Why? Because that is what counts. Not a bunch of grandiose words coming from a bunch of country leaders.

Russia is gradually winning on the ground. And because of last night's Ukrainian drone attack, Putin has restarted the Oreshnik preparations for use on Kiev.

That's why I am saying to the people living in Kiev, get out now while you have time. Your beloved leader, Zelensky, will provoke Russia enough that Putin will use the Oreshniks, perhaps armed with explosives this time. Putin is shying away from doing this as much as he can. There was a time in the past when Kiev was the capitol of Russia, and Putin is a sentimental historian. But too much is too much.

[tvbcof]

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And here comes JD Vance... he seems to have mastered the secrets of Ruzzian diplomacy, chapter one, lesson one.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/07/vance-munich-meeting-russia-ukraine-00332623

Vice President JD Vance said Wednesday that Russia is “asking for too much” to end its war with Ukraine, underscoring new frustrations in the Trump White House over its efforts to court Moscow on peace talks....

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Lol.  Russia isn't 'asking' for shit.  They are doing what they want, and the bifurcating clown-cars opposite (US, EU, UN, pope, etc, etc) cannot do a thing about it.

[paxmao]

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And here comes JD Vance... he seems to have mastered the secrets of Ruzzian diplomacy, chapter one, lesson one.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/07/vance-munich-meeting-russia-ukraine-00332623

Vice President JD Vance said Wednesday that Russia is “asking for too much” to end its war with Ukraine, underscoring new frustrations in the Trump White House over its efforts to court Moscow on peace talks....

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Lol.  Russia isn't 'asking' for shit.  They are doing what they want, and the bifurcating clown-cars opposite (US, EU, UN, pope, etc, etc) cannot do a thing about it.

Oh, I know  Ruzzia is not asking for anything. But I am now in "Ruzzian Diplomacy Course" advanced level. You need to give some time for JD Vance to pass 101 and 102 and then he will also see exactly that - Ruzzia does whatever it wants.

Now, once Vance gets to that level, Trump may also get a diploma on the matter and start taking the right actions so that Ruzzia stops doing whatever Putin wants and start feeling a little bit of real pressure.

[BADecker]

^^^ I wonder if Ruzzian Pizza is as good as American Pizza. Do I need to take a "Ruzzian Diplomacy Course" to find out? 

[paxmao]

Well, do not get me wrong here, Ruzzia does whatever Putin wants - that does not mean that it is in benefit of Ruzzia. They are sending waves of people and material for inches of land. The US can certainly afford to wait as much as needed.

^^^ I wonder if Ruzzian Pizza is as good as American Pizza. Do I need to take a "Ruzzian Diplomacy Course" to find out?  

You would need to take many many many courses BA. Or let me put it in a different way: You would need to take ANY course.

But yes, Ruzzian pizza is different. It is a pizza made of imperial dreams, racial dominance (funny they call others Nazis) and a history of continuous fights among little kings that seem to need to have their page in history beyond anything else.

But that is the topping, the base of the pizza is a population that had been put into a deep brain sleep for centuries, and thus they die for nothing.

[BADecker]

Well, do not get me wrong here, Ruzzia does whatever Putin wants - that does not mean that it is in benefit of Ruzzia. They are sending waves of people and material for inches of land. The US can certainly afford to wait as much as needed.

^^^ I wonder if Ruzzian Pizza is as good as American Pizza. Do I need to take a "Ruzzian Diplomacy Course" to find out?  

You would need to take many many many courses BA. Or let me put it in a different way: You would need to take ANY course.

But yes, Ruzzian pizza is different. It is a pizza made of imperial dreams, racial dominance (funny they call others Nazis) and a history of continuous fights among little kings that seem to need to have their page in history beyond anything else.

But that is the topping, the base of the pizza is a population that had been put into a deep brain sleep for centuries, and thus they die for nothing.

So, when do you think you will wake up out of your 'deep brain sleep'?

[DaRude]

As usual mostly fake information and copy paste of Ruzzian propaganda about their wunderwaffe, the private life of Zelensky and a general lack of understanding of the objectives of Putin - clue: Putin is perfectly fine with the "world banking system" - like most rich people that are fully involved and  profiting from it.

And here comes JD Vance... he seems to have mastered the secrets of Ruzzian diplomacy, chapter one, lesson one.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/07/vance-munich-meeting-russia-ukraine-00332623

Vice President JD Vance said Wednesday that Russia is “asking for too much” to end its war with Ukraine, underscoring new frustrations in the Trump White House over its efforts to court Moscow on peace talks.

Speaking to the Munich Leaders Meeting in Washington, he said that the U.S. is focusing on a long-term settlement since Russia has rejected the U.S. call for a 30-day ceasefire. Moscow has said that sort of temporary pause is not in its strategic interest because it would allow Ukraine to regroup.

So... finally some understanding here.

Isn't it interesting that after first supporting the coup d'etat against democratically elected president, now US gets to decide how much of Ukraine to give back to Russia is "too much" and how much would be the right amount? I guess no one even tries to pretend anymore that Ukraine wasn't just a power grab move and that Ukraine's role was set to be a pawn from the start. Can imagine Ukrainians sitting around TV watching what Vance decides will happen to their country. I bet not many Ukrainians saw this coming when accepting those freedom cookies.

[BADecker]

Russia is celebrating its victory days, victory over the Nazi's in WW2. Leaders from nations from around the world are in Moscow. From China and India to South America to the European countries, and all over the world, they have come to Moscow to celebrate with Russia.

Russia has stepped up its security so that Zelensky drones won't have any effect on Moscow.

Note that Trump didn't go to Moscow. Neither did Zelensky. Seems like Trump is extending the mission of the US, to continue to use Ukraine in its proxy war against Russia... just to steal Russian lands that have far more minerals than the US could ever get in some backwards deal with Ukraine.

Note that in some other post I suggested looking at the Military Summary Chanel on Youtube. I would like to qualify that a little. Some of the videos that Dima uses are videos of models. You can see by the kinds of explosions that are done in some of those videos, that they are not real, but are simply models with model explosions. The question is, what is really going on in the battles along the edge of the Black Sea Corridor and Ukraine?

We'll see.

[paxmao]

Russia is celebrating its victory days, victory over the Nazi's in WW2. Leaders from nations from around the world are in Moscow. From China and India to South America to the European countries, and all over the world, they have come to Moscow to celebrate with Russia.

Russia has stepped up its security so that Zelensky drones won't have any effect on Moscow.

Note that Trump didn't go to Moscow. Neither did Zelensky. Seems like Trump is extending the mission of the US, to continue to use Ukraine in its proxy war against Russia... just to steal Russian lands that have far more minerals than the US could ever get in some backwards deal with Ukraine.

Note that in some other post I suggested looking at the Military Summary Chanel on Youtube. I would like to qualify that a little. Some of the videos that Dima uses are videos of models. You can see by the kinds of explosions that are done in some of those videos, that they are not real, but are simply models with model explosions. The question is, what is really going on in the battles along the edge of the Black Sea Corridor and Ukraine?

We'll see.

As usual, quite a bit of bias, but whatever. There are many channels that will report quite accurately, others are Ruzzian bias, Ukranian, etc...

But there is little doubt about what is happening in the frontlines (in general lines) and, what is equally important, what is happening behind the frontlines. Ukraine is perfectly able to strike anything within 1500 km. The Black Sea should be renamed the Ukranian sea, just like the Gulf of Mexico.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/05/3/7510447/

India lowers level of representation at 9 May parade in Moscow

Indian Defence Minister Rajnath Singh will not attend the 9 May Victory Day parade in Moscow. His deputy, Sanjay Seth, is expected to represent India instead.

That was close, they almost sent the janitor. After what is happening with Pakistan (namely Pakistan using terror attacks) and the position of China in the matter, I would be very surprised if Naendra would risk passing by Xi in the hallway.

The fact is that your information about attendance is not incorrect this time. There are quite a few attending, but still a minority. In fact some of the ones I would expect to send someone are not there.

Alongside China, Brazil is a member of the BRICS group, a political and economic bloc that Moscow and Beijing see as a counterweight to the West.

The leaders of Vietnam, Mongolia, Egypt and Myanmar

From Africa, the heads of Burkina Faso, Zimbabwe, the Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia and Equatorial Guinea will be attending.

As will two of Russia’s most long-standing partners in South America -- Venezuela’s Nicolas Maduro and Cuba’s Miguel Diaz-Canel.

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Laos’s Thongloun Sisoulith fell ill with coronavirus a few days before and also had to cancel his planned trip, the Kremlin said.

- CUrrent and former "soviet" allies -
Leaders of Russia’s traditional ex-Soviet allies and partners are also in Moscow, according to the Kremlin.
Those include Armenia’s Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, Kazakhstan’s President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev and Belarus’s President Alexander Lukashenko -- Putin’s closest ally in the post-Soviet space.
Apart from Kazakhstan, the leaders of the other four former Soviet republics of Central Asia are also on the guest list: Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Turkmenistan.
- Europeans -
Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico.
Aleksandar Vucic, president of Serbia, a country with historically strong ties to Moscow.
The leader of Bosnia’s Serb-dominated region, Milorad Dodik, wanted by the Bosnian courts

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The leaders of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, two pro-Russian separatist territories in Georgia not recognised by the international community, are in Moscow for the parade.

Palestinian Authority, Mahmud Abbas.

Troops from 13 countries are set to march in the parade on Red Square -- including those from China, Vietnam, Myanmar and Egypt.

as well as the North Korean ambassador

I guess Fico is melancholic about the old USSR days, where he could arrest people so easily...

[BADecker]

Russia is celebrating its victory days, victory over the Nazi's in WW2. Leaders from nations from around the world are in Moscow. From China and India to South America to the European countries, and all over the world, they have come to Moscow to celebrate with Russia.

Russia has stepped up its security so that Zelensky drones won't have any effect on Moscow.

Note that Trump didn't go to Moscow. Neither did Zelensky. Seems like Trump is extending the mission of the US, to continue to use Ukraine in its proxy war against Russia... just to steal Russian lands that have far more minerals than the US could ever get in some backwards deal with Ukraine.

Note that in some other post I suggested looking at the Military Summary Chanel on Youtube. I would like to qualify that a little. Some of the videos that Dima uses are videos of models. You can see by the kinds of explosions that are done in some of those videos, that they are not real, but are simply models with model explosions. The question is, what is really going on in the battles along the edge of the Black Sea Corridor and Ukraine?

We'll see.

As usual, quite a bit of bias, but whatever. There are many channels that will report quite accurately, others are Ruzzian bias, Ukranian, etc...

But there is little doubt about what is happening in the frontlines (in general lines) and, what is equally important, what is happening behind the frontlines. Ukraine is perfectly able to strike anything within 1500 km. The Black Sea should be renamed the Ukranian sea, just like the Gulf of Mexico.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/05/3/7510447/

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When you preview the heads of state of countries from around the world who are in Moscow celebrating the victory days there, you can easily see that Russia has a lot of friends around the world. These people have understood how the banking system of America and Europe has been screwing them with their system of trade.

The thing that will happen is that the banking system will collapse. You can see it happening already. Things like US sanctions are essentially meaningless. If the US truly enters Ukraine, it will simply mean a big war with the whole world involved.

Personally, I don't like the idea of Communism any more than you do. But the American banking system fiat money is based on nothing. And the world is coming to understand this more and more. This banking system will ultimately fail, and the failure time may be closer than we think.

[paxmao]

Russia is celebrating its victory days, victory over the Nazi's in WW2. Leaders from nations from around the world are in Moscow. From China and India to South America to the European countries, and all over the world, they have come to Moscow to celebrate with Russia.

Russia has stepped up its security so that Zelensky drones won't have any effect on Moscow.

Note that Trump didn't go to Moscow. Neither did Zelensky. Seems like Trump is extending the mission of the US, to continue to use Ukraine in its proxy war against Russia... just to steal Russian lands that have far more minerals than the US could ever get in some backwards deal with Ukraine.

Note that in some other post I suggested looking at the Military Summary Chanel on Youtube. I would like to qualify that a little. Some of the videos that Dima uses are videos of models. You can see by the kinds of explosions that are done in some of those videos, that they are not real, but are simply models with model explosions. The question is, what is really going on in the battles along the edge of the Black Sea Corridor and Ukraine?

We'll see.

As usual, quite a bit of bias, but whatever. There are many channels that will report quite accurately, others are Ruzzian bias, Ukranian, etc...

But there is little doubt about what is happening in the frontlines (in general lines) and, what is equally important, what is happening behind the frontlines. Ukraine is perfectly able to strike anything within 1500 km. The Black Sea should be renamed the Ukranian sea, just like the Gulf of Mexico.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/05/3/7510447/

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When you preview the heads of state of countries from around the world who are in Moscow celebrating the victory days there, you can easily see that Russia has a lot of friends around the world. These people have understood how the banking system of America and Europe has been screwing them with their system of trade.

The thing that will happen is that the banking system will collapse. You can see it happening already. Things like US sanctions are essentially meaningless. If the US truly enters Ukraine, it will simply mean a big war with the whole world involved.

Personally, I don't like the idea of Communism any more than you do. But the American banking system fiat money is based on nothing. And the world is coming to understand this more and more. This banking system will ultimately fail, and the failure time may be closer than we think.

BA, regarding ideologies, you are completely at a loss. You are totally confused about all the mechanisms by which you are still able to have an opion about things. As a clue: Go to North Korea and try to say anything that is not the official line.

You are free because all those things that you rant about everyday and cheer the people who would remove all and any freedoom if they could.

What you see in Ruzzia is the DICTATORS of the world all together trying to figure out how are they going to be there for as long as possible, except Lula, who is there probably because he thinks that somehow this might solve Brazils economy after his fiascos.

I would recognise though that Ruzzia in Ukraine has been a magnet for these people - along with a warning of how long and how bad may a war be when it was supposed to be a "military parade". They are surely going to take good note of this.

However, the larger part of the GDP of the world is actually meeting in a different location:

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250509-europe-leaders-head-to-kyiv-on-unprecedented-visit

The leaders of France, the United Kingdom, Germany and Poland threatened to ratchet up pressure on Russian President Vladimir Putin if he does not accept an unconditional 30-day ceasefire in Ukraine that they offered on Saturday in a strong show of unity with Kyiv.

You see, everyone can throw a party for friends. A different question is if your friends are worth a party.

[paxmao]

Are you guys somehow trying to walltext this instead of talking about the meeting in Turkiya? Aparently, there may be some short of possibility of Putin and Zelensky actually meeting in Turkiya.

Zelensky said he would be there, the US and the "coalition of the willing" want them both there and ... well, there comes the problem: Putin may not be interested. But it is good that at least the US keeps on the accelerated course on Ruzzian diplomacy and have a good understanding why, after three years of war, the main obstacle for any peace remains ... Putin.

[Branko]

Are you guys somehow trying to walltext this instead of talking about the meeting in Turkiya? Aparently, there may be some short of possibility of Putin and Zelensky actually meeting in Turkiya.

Zelensky said he would be there, the US and the "coalition of the willing" want them both there and ... well, there comes the problem: Putin may not be interested. But it is good that at least the US keeps on the accelerated course on Ruzzian diplomacy and have a good understanding why, after three years of war, the main obstacle for any peace remains ... Putin.

What? You got it all wrong,, it was Putins idea from start

[BADecker]

Are you guys somehow trying to walltext this instead of talking about the meeting in Turkiya? Aparently, there may be some short of possibility of Putin and Zelensky actually meeting in Turkiya.

Zelensky said he would be there, the US and the "coalition of the willing" want them both there and ... well, there comes the problem: Putin may not be interested. But it is good that at least the US keeps on the accelerated course on Ruzzian diplomacy and have a good understanding why, after three years of war, the main obstacle for any peace remains ... Putin.

Are you forgetting? Zelensky isn't the president of Ukraine... at least not in Russian eyes. This means that Ukraine will have to either hold elections, or find somebody who has Ukraine authority.

Of course, as long as Z maintains the martial law, there can't be any formal authority for Ukraine that Russia will accept.

Z needs to formally hold elections, or simply remove himself. Otherwise Russia doesn't have anybody to negotiate with.

[covfefe_]

Are you guys somehow trying to walltext this instead of talking about the meeting in Turkiya? Aparently, there may be some short of possibility of Putin and Zelensky actually meeting in Turkiya.

Zelensky said he would be there, the US and the "coalition of the willing" want them both there and ... well, there comes the problem: Putin may not be interested. But it is good that at least the US keeps on the accelerated course on Ruzzian diplomacy and have a good understanding why, after three years of war, the main obstacle for any peace remains ... Putin.

Putin is clearly intending to buy time here. There's no way Russia and Ukraine could reach a deal at this moment as both of them would have unrealistic demands.

The west is asking for a ceasefire which would stop Russia from expanding and if that ceasefire holds, the occupied lines would be the defacto boundary and they could live with this without any real peace deal. Specially if European forces are stationed on the line.

The Russia, they want to continue advancing but also wants the west to lift sanctions post war. For that they need to buy time without angering the west much.

[BADecker]

Are you guys somehow trying to walltext this instead of talking about the meeting in Turkiya? Aparently, there may be some short of possibility of Putin and Zelensky actually meeting in Turkiya.

Zelensky said he would be there, the US and the "coalition of the willing" want them both there and ... well, there comes the problem: Putin may not be interested. But it is good that at least the US keeps on the accelerated course on Ruzzian diplomacy and have a good understanding why, after three years of war, the main obstacle for any peace remains ... Putin.

Putin is clearly intending to buy time here. There's no way Russia and Ukraine could reach a deal at this moment as both of them would have unrealistic demands.

The west is asking for a ceasefire which would stop Russia from expanding and if that ceasefire holds, the occupied lines would be the defacto boundary and they could live with this without any real peace deal. Specially if European forces are stationed on the line.

The Russia, they want to continue advancing but also wants the west to lift sanctions post war. For that they need to buy time without angering the west much.

If Ukraine troops simply quit fighting, and withdrew towards the center of Ukraine, Russia might keep on advancing for a while. But once Russia figured out that Ukraine had really stopped fighting, they would stop advancing.

It's the formal fighting that Ukraine is continuing that is causing the Russians to continue their fight. It's this that will ultimately lose Ukraine to Russia... if there is not a real WW3 first.