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Author Topic: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers👉Group Stage  (Read 18995 times)
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June 27, 2023, 05:11:11 PM
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Manchester City's victory in the Champions League cannot be a benchmark for the England national team to win the title at the Euro because after all, the players in the Manchester City squad are also not entirely from England. So yes, even though the English Premier League and also the teams in the English Premier League are very big and also have very tough competition, the reality is that the England national team cannot easily get good results in every tournament. But indeed, at this moment the England national team is still unbeaten. Of course, it is a good result for them and thus, at least these good results can continue and not only be obtained in this phase.
I perceive that England's chances of winning the Europa League in 2024 are significantly better compared to previous years. In fact, they possess a surplus of players from Manchester City who could easily be called up to represent the national team. At least eight players from the City's first team are at England's disposal. This presents a significant advantage for England, as the recent triumph of Pep Guardiola in the UEFA Champions League has instilled a stronger mentality among the players, preparing them to challenge for the title. Additionally, they benefit from a deep understanding and cohesion as a team, having played together at the club level.

If we take a closer look at the current list of English players, nearly all of them are plying their trade at top European clubs. This fact, coupled with their exceptional quality, brings them a step closer to championship glory. It seems that their lack of fortune has been the only missing piece in their pursuit of success.

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June 28, 2023, 03:43:06 AM
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It's not just because of their friendly games. They did absolutely nothing in the last World Cup at Qatar. They finished the World Cup as a third team behind Japan and Spain. Ending up behind Spain is not that much of a surprise, but I'm pretty sure no one expected that Japan will take the 1st place in the group.

What happened in Qatar didn't surprised anyone. After the retirement of their main players, Germany has been on the decline. They will be hosting the 2024 edition of the Euro Cup, and therefore they are not required to participate in the qualifying tournament. If they were playing in the qualifier, then there was no guarantee that they would have got a berth to the main tournament. Their performance in Qatar was part of a much larger issue. Many of the UEFA teams, including Germany, Netherlands, Denmark and Belgium are struggling to replace the vacuum left by retiring players.

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June 28, 2023, 07:22:16 AM
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It's not just because of their friendly games. They did absolutely nothing in the last World Cup at Qatar. They finished the World Cup as a third team behind Japan and Spain. Ending up behind Spain is not that much of a surprise, but I'm pretty sure no one expected that Japan will take the 1st place in the group.

What happened in Qatar didn't surprised anyone. After the retirement of their main players, Germany has been on the decline. They will be hosting the 2024 edition of the Euro Cup, and therefore they are not required to participate in the qualifying tournament. If they were playing in the qualifier, then there was no guarantee that they would have got a berth to the main tournament. Their performance in Qatar was part of a much larger issue. Many of the UEFA teams, including Germany, Netherlands, Denmark and Belgium are struggling to replace the vacuum left by retiring players.

It is true that Germany was not among the main favorites at the World Cup in Qatar, but almost no one expected that they would not be able to make it to the knockout stage of the competition, it was still a big surprise.
I really expected that Spain and Germany would definitely go from that group to the knockout phase of the competition, but Japan really played very well at the World Cup and they must be congratulated.
Germany was the world champion less than 10 years ago, and now they can't even make it to the knockout stage of the world cup, their decline is really surprising and shocking. Realistically, they are not among the favorites for next year's EURO.

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June 28, 2023, 07:51:28 AM
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I perceive that England's chances of winning the Europa League in 2024 are significantly better compared to previous years. In fact, they possess a surplus of players from Manchester City who could easily be called up to represent the national team. At least eight players from the City's first team are at England's disposal. This presents a significant advantage for England, as the recent triumph of Pep Guardiola in the UEFA Champions League has instilled a stronger mentality among the players, preparing them to challenge for the title. Additionally, they benefit from a deep understanding and cohesion as a team, having played together at the club level.

If we take a closer look at the current list of English players, nearly all of them are plying their trade at top European clubs. This fact, coupled with their exceptional quality, brings them a step closer to championship glory. It seems that their lack of fortune has been the only missing piece in their pursuit of success.

I think that the biggest problem for England is that their players are not playing "for the team" when they are playing for the national team. There is a lot of great players in their national team, but you can't have a great national team if you don't have players that get along with each other. I'm not saying that they are fighting among themselves, but I have a feeling that they give their best while playing for their clubs, but not while playing for the national team. And I think that is the reason why they haven't won any title recently.

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June 28, 2023, 09:14:07 AM
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It is true that Germany was not among the main favorites at the World Cup in Qatar, but almost no one expected that they would not be able to make it to the knockout stage of the competition, it was still a big surprise.
I really expected that Spain and Germany would definitely go from that group to the knockout phase of the competition, but Japan really played very well at the World Cup and they must be congratulated.
Germany was the world champion less than 10 years ago, and now they can't even make it to the knockout stage of the world cup, their decline is really surprising and shocking. Realistically, they are not among the favorites for next year's EURO.

Yes it feels really different to see Germany in this situation. They were like the dominator of such tournaments many years ago. It was their golden age certainly and it looks like it has come to an end for now. There is a big difference between the players of those times and now though. Because now we can see many more quite young talents in the squad.

The squad's overall age is quite low but I still don't think this is an obstacle for being more successful. Because it is still full of many talented players. They just need to improve their team play more than this. If they start to play in coherence with each other more in time they can slowly bring back the old times maybe.

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June 28, 2023, 01:52:40 PM
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It is true that Germany was not among the main favorites at the World Cup in Qatar, but almost no one expected that they would not be able to make it to the knockout stage of the competition, it was still a big surprise.
I really expected that Spain and Germany would definitely go from that group to the knockout phase of the competition, but Japan really played very well at the World Cup and they must be congratulated.
Germany was the world champion less than 10 years ago, and now they can't even make it to the knockout stage of the world cup, their decline is really surprising and shocking. Realistically, they are not among the favorites for next year's EURO.
Germany repeated the bad results that happened four years earlier, because when in Russia they also failed to qualify from the group phase, surprisingly enough in 4 years they did not change, so after they managed to become World Cup champions for the fourth time actually 2 consecutive World Cups they got quite embarrassing results.
It seems that they as tournament specialist no longer exists in a German team that used to perform quite well in every major tournament of football, despite not being champions but we will rarely see them fail in the group phase because at least the quarter-finals, semi-finals and final are their venues.
In this European Cup they will be expected to experience changes and achieve better results than those obtained in the World Cup.

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I think that the biggest problem for England is that their players are not playing "for the team" when they are playing for the national team. There is a lot of great players in their national team, but you can't have a great national team if you don't have players that get along with each other. I'm not saying that they are fighting among themselves, but I have a feeling that they give their best while playing for their clubs, but not while playing for the national team. And I think that is the reason why they haven't won any title recently.
Yeah agree, I am also following this team for the decades and never understand their problem even they have the best players and their strategy is also never been bad, but they have never been able to have results as expected while they are playing for their clubs they have much more energy but in national team they never play with this heart and energy which give them better results.

Even now we can't talk about this need changes in domestic or any other level, but one thing is sure they need to change mind-set hopefully this will help them for having better results in big events, or they need to go through with their national team to play against domestic clubs as well which will give them better understanding and change in strategy which is important for them.

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June 28, 2023, 06:10:50 PM
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Germany repeated the bad results that happened four years earlier, because when in Russia they also failed to qualify from the group phase, surprisingly enough in 4 years they did not change, so after they managed to become World Cup champions for the fourth time actually 2 consecutive World Cups they got quite embarrassing results.
It seems that they as tournament specialist no longer exists in a German team that used to perform quite well in every major tournament of football, despite not being champions but we will rarely see them fail in the group phase because at least the quarter-finals, semi-finals and final are their venues.
In this European Cup they will be expected to experience changes and achieve better results than those obtained in the World Cup.
That is what happens when you have a golden era and players are all at around the same age and they play well and then they all get old together and they become not so great. New players are not as great as the ones they had a decade ago or so, and that means they are not going to be as great. Also another problem with having that type of talent back in the day, you do not need younger players, you end up using the same players so younger ones do not develop that well.

I believe that they will get a lot better soon, in a few tournaments they will be great again, by 2030 world cup they should be amazing, because they lack that talent so they will give all the chances to younger players who deserve it and that will make them better eventually.
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June 28, 2023, 09:08:58 PM
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Germany repeated the bad results that happened four years earlier, because when in Russia they also failed to qualify from the group phase, surprisingly enough in 4 years they did not change, so after they managed to become World Cup champions for the fourth time actually 2 consecutive World Cups they got quite embarrassing results.
It seems that they as tournament specialist no longer exists in a German team that used to perform quite well in every major tournament of football, despite not being champions but we will rarely see them fail in the group phase because at least the quarter-finals, semi-finals and final are their venues.
In this European Cup they will be expected to experience changes and achieve better results than those obtained in the World Cup.
That is what happens when you have a golden era and players are all at around the same age and they play well and then they all get old together and they become not so great. New players are not as great as the ones they had a decade ago or so, and that means they are not going to be as great. Also another problem with having that type of talent back in the day, you do not need younger players, you end up using the same players so younger ones do not develop that well.

I believe that they will get a lot better soon, in a few tournaments they will be great again, by 2030 world cup they should be amazing, because they lack that talent so they will give all the chances to younger players who deserve it and that will make them better eventually.

This is indeed the status quo in Germany. There was a golden era that never got replaced with players of equal quality. And what you said about sticking to old players, for instance when they have been successful in the past, is a big problem that many teams have. it is difficult for coaches to make the right call at the right time when it is time for a big change because there will always be criticism from those who think that the player still deserves to play and there will be criticism from those who think it is about time to bring in younger players and give them a chance. But for Germany this is a real golden era problem and now they have issues on a lot of positions.

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This is indeed the status quo in Germany. There was a golden era that never got replaced with players of equal quality. And what you said about sticking to old players, for instance when they have been successful in the past, is a big problem that many teams have. it is difficult for coaches to make the right call at the right time when it is time for a big change because there will always be criticism from those who think that the player still deserves to play and there will be criticism from those who think it is about time to bring in younger players and give them a chance. But for Germany this is a real golden era problem and now they have issues on a lot of positions.

I guess the issue is with the local league. Have you ever wondered why France and England are so strong, despite the ongoing decline with many of the other UEFA teams? IMO, it is due to the exceptional quality of the national leagues (Ligue 1 in case of France and the English Premier League for England). During the last few years, teams like Paris Saint-Germain, Manchester United and Chelsea have poured in huge amounts of money to retain high quality players and this helps to maintain the standards. No such thing happened with the Bundesliga and the quality seems to go down with every passing year.

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This is indeed the status quo in Germany. There was a golden era that never got replaced with players of equal quality. And what you said about sticking to old players, for instance when they have been successful in the past, is a big problem that many teams have. it is difficult for coaches to make the right call at the right time when it is time for a big change because there will always be criticism from those who think that the player still deserves to play and there will be criticism from those who think it is about time to bring in younger players and give them a chance. But for Germany this is a real golden era problem and now they have issues on a lot of positions.

I guess the issue is with the local league. Have you ever wondered why France and England are so strong, despite the ongoing decline with many of the other UEFA teams? IMO, it is due to the exceptional quality of the national leagues (Ligue 1 in case of France and the English Premier League for England). During the last few years, teams like Paris Saint-Germain, Manchester United and Chelsea have poured in huge amounts of money to retain high quality players and this helps to maintain the standards. No such thing happened with the Bundesliga and the quality seems to go down with every passing year.

@Sithar007 Bundesliga is one of the most competitive league despite Bayern winning it most time’s and Ligue 1 can’t even be compared to it because it’s one of the most easy leagues to play in. Furthermore the problem with Germany was partly down to the coach as he failed to make a squad for the long term but it’s yet not too late for them and if they can yet work out a good tactical plan then they’ll definitely make a good impact once this tournament starts.
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This is indeed the status quo in Germany. There was a golden era that never got replaced with players of equal quality. And what you said about sticking to old players, for instance when they have been successful in the past, is a big problem that many teams have. it is difficult for coaches to make the right call at the right time when it is time for a big change because there will always be criticism from those who think that the player still deserves to play and there will be criticism from those who think it is about time to bring in younger players and give them a chance. But for Germany this is a real golden era problem and now they have issues on a lot of positions.

I guess the issue is with the local league. Have you ever wondered why France and England are so strong, despite the ongoing decline with many of the other UEFA teams? IMO, it is due to the exceptional quality of the national leagues (Ligue 1 in case of France and the English Premier League for England). During the last few years, teams like Paris Saint-Germain, Manchester United and Chelsea have poured in huge amounts of money to retain high quality players and this helps to maintain the standards. No such thing happened with the Bundesliga and the quality seems to go down with every passing year.

Ligue 1 is not giving a lot of great players to France,most of them are playing in the other top 4 leagues of Europe while England is of course the strongest league as almost all their players of the England national team play in the Premier League.The same can be said for Germany,Italy and Spain and they are both strong teams,France is the one who not all their best players play in their national league so Ligue 1 is far from being a strong one except Paris team which has a huge budget and has got a lot of great players with them.

Germany has always been a strong team and this time I think we will see a different Germany in the Euro 2024,a one playing in front of their fans will surely go further than last couple of International competitions.

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This is indeed the status quo in Germany. There was a golden era that never got replaced with players of equal quality. And what you said about sticking to old players, for instance when they have been successful in the past, is a big problem that many teams have. it is difficult for coaches to make the right call at the right time when it is time for a big change because there will always be criticism from those who think that the player still deserves to play and there will be criticism from those who think it is about time to bring in younger players and give them a chance. But for Germany this is a real golden era problem and now they have issues on a lot of positions.

I guess the issue is with the local league. Have you ever wondered why France and England are so strong, despite the ongoing decline with many of the other UEFA teams? IMO, it is due to the exceptional quality of the national leagues (Ligue 1 in case of France and the English Premier League for England). During the last few years, teams like Paris Saint-Germain, Manchester United and Chelsea have poured in huge amounts of money to retain high quality players and this helps to maintain the standards. No such thing happened with the Bundesliga and the quality seems to go down with every passing year.
Germany's golden generation were mainly comprised of footballers that where playing in the German Bundesliga and most especially Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund players. Just few members of the golden era boys were plying their trade in other European leagues.

Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund of those days were one of the best in Europe unlike what we have today and that I think has majorly affected German football. If German national football must return to where it belongs, these big German clubs must have to be up and running in developing German players

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June 29, 2023, 09:28:18 AM
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I have noticed that France can't be champions in Euro tournaments since Euro 2000. The last time they did was then and after that time they made it to the finale even for only once. They actually have a squad that can win a championship next time. In Mbappe's lead they can really do a great work. After missing the chance to win a back-to-back title in the World Cup by a small margin they would surely aim the next Euro championship. They have a comfortable qualifiers group so they should be finishing it as leader.

But the real challenge will be the main tournament. There are a couple of very challenging opponents for France so their job won't be easy at all after a point.

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June 29, 2023, 09:34:59 AM
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I have noticed that France can't be champions in Euro tournaments since Euro 2000. The last time they did was then and after that time they made it to the finale even for only once. They actually have a squad that can win a championship next time. In Mbappe's lead they can really do a great work. After missing the chance to win a back-to-back title in the World Cup by a small margin they would surely aim the next Euro championship. They have a comfortable qualifiers group so they should be finishing it as leader.

But the real challenge will be the main tournament. There are a couple of very challenging opponents for France so their job won't be easy at all after a point.
There is many good teams over there like Spain but definitely France is one of the best teams with a lot of good players since they collected them from different nations.
Germany didn't recover yet and Italy are quite unstable right now. Croatia have a bad luck but are a threat for the others

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June 29, 2023, 09:40:37 AM
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I have noticed that France can't be champions in Euro tournaments since Euro 2000. The last time they did was then and after that time they made it to the finale even for only once. They actually have a squad that can win a championship next time. In Mbappe's lead they can really do a great work. After missing the chance to win a back-to-back title in the World Cup by a small margin they would surely aim the next Euro championship. They have a comfortable qualifiers group so they should be finishing it as leader.

But the real challenge will be the main tournament. There are a couple of very challenging opponents for France so their job won't be easy at all after a point.
There is many good teams over there like Spain but definitely France is one of the best teams with a lot of good players since they collected them from different nations.
Germany didn't recover yet and Italy are quite unstable right now. Croatia have a bad luck but are a threat for the others
I believe that France will win the upcoming European Championship. They are currently the strongest team on the continent. I probably can't name any other team that can stand up to France. Maybe England, but they did poorly in the last World Cup, so I don't think they can compete with France either.

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June 29, 2023, 10:35:15 AM
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Germany's golden generation were mainly comprised of footballers that where playing in the German Bundesliga and most especially Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund players. Just few members of the golden era boys were plying their trade in other European leagues.

Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund of those days were one of the best in Europe unlike what we have today and that I think has majorly affected German football. If German national football must return to where it belongs, these big German clubs must have to be up and running in developing German players

I don't know much about the feeder system in German football. One of the reasons why Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund are not as strong as they used to be maybe due to the fact that the feeder clubs are not producing a lot of talented younger players. Demographics may also be playing its part. Germany is having one of the lowest birth rates in the world, and most of the immigrants are from countries such as Syria and Afghanistan which are not very famous for producing football superstars. And France/England do get a lot of migrants from Maghreb and Sub-Saharan Africa, which really boosts their clubs and the national team.

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June 29, 2023, 06:29:38 PM
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Bundesliga is one of the most competitive league despite Bayern winning it most time’s and Ligue 1 can’t even be compared to it because it’s one of the most easy leagues to play in. Furthermore the problem with Germany was partly down to the coach as he failed to make a squad for the long term but it’s yet not too late for them and if they can yet work out a good tactical plan then they’ll definitely make a good impact once this tournament starts.
That feels like a personal opinion and not really as much of a difference as you claim there is. I am not saying Bundesliga is not better, of course they are better but to say that the difference is "one of them is competitive and the other one is easiest league" is just way too much. Bundesliga is ranked third and Ligue 1 fifth, so there is only Italy between them. Like I said it's obvious that Bundesliga is better, but not as much as that.

You made it sound like Bundesliga was third and Ligue 1 was like 15th or 50th to be fair, and that's not the case as we all know it, they are just two steps down at fifth place instead. That is why I do not think that the difference is as big as everyone seems to be claiming and calling it a "farmers league" for some reason.

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June 29, 2023, 06:53:40 PM
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This is indeed the status quo in Germany. There was a golden era that never got replaced with players of equal quality. And what you said about sticking to old players, for instance when they have been successful in the past, is a big problem that many teams have. it is difficult for coaches to make the right call at the right time when it is time for a big change because there will always be criticism from those who think that the player still deserves to play and there will be criticism from those who think it is about time to bring in younger players and give them a chance. But for Germany this is a real golden era problem and now they have issues on a lot of positions.

I guess the issue is with the local league. Have you ever wondered why France and England are so strong, despite the ongoing decline with many of the other UEFA teams? IMO, it is due to the exceptional quality of the national leagues (Ligue 1 in case of France and the English Premier League for England). During the last few years, teams like Paris Saint-Germain, Manchester United and Chelsea have poured in huge amounts of money to retain high quality players and this helps to maintain the standards. No such thing happened with the Bundesliga and the quality seems to go down with every passing year.

But you are mixing things up when you argue that Ligue 1 is of exceptional quality. Do you know how many players of the French national team that played the final against Argentina actually play in Ligue 1? Cheesy Almost nobody. France is blessed right now with all those exceptional players they have, but that has nothing to do with the money that PSG is wasting on their team. But the situation can also change for worse for France in a few years. They are good to go now with what they have and Germany is having issues which can't be solved quickly.

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June 29, 2023, 07:20:03 PM
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I'm not worried about Germany's golden age at all. Every team have such time periods and this doesn't last forever. It is the best thing for us as well otherwise the tournaments would start to be a little boring as the same team win all the time. Here in this example Germany had really wonderful years in the past and benefited from their golden age really well. But now they are like rebuilding. There are many quite young players who are trying to get used to playing in coherence with each other.

This will take time and I don't expect them to be a very close contender for the Euro 2024 championship as well.

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