[Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight (july15,2023

[harizen]

But I must say, Santiago is never an easy boxer, with all his winning streaks last year, his vigor and fierce in boxing is incomparable.

No offense but those boxers that Alejandro Santiago beats last year can't really be labeled on the same tier as Nonitod Donaire Jr. I can't consider that as him being fierce although those wins are really impressive based on the scores he got on those UD wins and the last win he made where he makes his opponent unable to continue the fight. Aside from that, Donaire doesn't need to improve anything but will just go with his usual fighting style. Instead, Santiago should be the one to think of a strategy for how to deal with Donaire.

Santiago is also lacking advantages in terms of physical characteristics. Specifically referring to height and reach advantage, Donaire already owned him. It's always an advantage for a boxer to have a big gap in terms of height and reach especially in the Bantamweight division.

[BitcoinPanther]

"snip"Donaire at 40 years old has yet another shot at being a champion, even if I think getting the win will be a challenge for Donaire.

It's only a big challenge for Nonito Donaire if the boxer he's fighting with is a KO artist, or has a better ranking than him. Here, I don't see Santiago being a huge threat to Donaire. Even at his age now, I think Donaire can still dominate this opponent.

Santiago is not even in the top 10 in the ranking if the report is updated.

https://www.boxingscene.com/rankings

If we based it on both fighters' experience, skills, and power Donaire is miles ahead but I'm looking at Donaire who beat Oubalii and Graballo, but if age finally caught up with Donaire even a non-ranking Santiago can beat him, we can guess what version of Donaire will show up in the first three rounds of the fight, I'm hoping the fast and strong one, so if ever Donaire have a choice to have a good exit and hang up his gloves.

I think whether Nonito Donaire will perform well in this fight depends on how he conditioned himself.  Aging boxer should be conditioned more than any prime boxers since as we all know their strength, resistance and speed isn't the same as they were your and in prime.  So the camp of Donaire will play a huge role whether Donaire can outperform and beat the younger Santiago or not.

And to think that Santiago is a lot younger compared to Donaire, even if Donaire will be the favorite here, surely this fight will be hard to win for Donaire but if he will focus on their camp’s game plan and improve his performance in the ring, then we will see Donaire beating up Santiago inside the ring. But I must say, Santiago is never an easy boxer, with all his winning streaks last year, his vigor and fierce in boxing is incomparable.

If Santiago is able to even out the experience and speed, there is a huge chance that Santiago might beat Donaire.  Since the only advantage Donaire has is his experience, if that is nullified then Donaire will have trouble winning the fight.

[goinmerry]

Since the only advantage Donaire has is his experience, if that is nullified then Donaire will have trouble winning the fight.

I have to disagree with that. Donaire can even be considered to still have the ability to dominate most of the bantamweights.

Santiago is nowhere near Donaire's current status even though we talked about his age. Donaire is still quick at 38 and 39 and the proof of that is how he dominates his fights at that age with both 4th-round TKO wins against Nordine Oubaali and Reymart Gaballo.

Santiago can't even pass on the Top 5 rankings at those 4 recognized boxing organizations.

[Jating]

Since the only advantage Donaire has is his experience, if that is nullified then Donaire will have trouble winning the fight.

I have to disagree with that. Donaire can even be considered to still have the ability to dominate most of the bantamweights.

Santiago is nowhere near Donaire's current status even though we talked about his age. Donaire is still quick at 38 and 39 and the proof of that is how he dominates his fights at that age with both 4th-round TKO wins against Nordine Oubaali and Reymart Gaballo.

Santiago can't even pass on the Top 5 rankings at those 4 recognized boxing organizations.

I agree, I don't understand how can a boxer can nullified experience though? Every boxer has matured and more fights compared to his opponents has the advantage already no matter what.

Not unless Donaire can't pull the trigger specially his powerful left then maybe we can say that Santiago will win already.

But we have seen him beating young fighters like Gaballo and Oubaali and knocking them out.

[inthelongrun]

But I must say, Santiago is never an easy boxer, with all his winning streaks last year, his vigor and fierce in boxing is incomparable.

No offense but those boxers that Alejandro Santiago beats last year can't really be labeled on the same tier as Nonitod Donaire Jr. I can't consider that as him being fierce although those wins are really impressive based on the scores he got on those UD wins and the last win he made where he makes his opponent unable to continue the fight. Aside from that, Donaire doesn't need to improve anything but will just go with his usual fighting style. Instead, Santiago should be the one to think of a strategy for how to deal with Donaire.

Santiago is also lacking advantages in terms of physical characteristics. Specifically referring to height and reach advantage, Donaire already owned him. It's always an advantage for a boxer to have a big gap in terms of height and reach especially in the Bantamweight division.

Santiago could benefit himself by being shorter in height and reach if only he is a heavy-handed brawler. Especially, this slower version of Donaire. Donaire isn't known as a defensive fighter either and being tall means you are also prone to body attacks. And Donaire does not like to brawl as he wants space in order to launch his attacks. We will see if Donaire would be able to land his heavy punches on Santiago. Santiago's 3 losses were all decisions although Donaire's power in this division might be too much for everyone. So far there are only 2 greats that were able to survive Donaire's heavy punches in this division, Naoya Inoue twice and former 2 division champion Omar Narvaez. 

[BitcoinPanther]

Since the only advantage Donaire has is his experience, if that is nullified then Donaire will have trouble winning the fight.

I have to disagree with that. Donaire can even be considered to still have the ability to dominate most of the bantamweights.

It was when he is in prime and some years pass his prime.  At the last fight performance of Donaire, we can see how he slow down, and his calculation also slow down in processing the movement of the opponent.  That is what I see on his latest fight, but as I stated,  Donaire needs to put extra effort on conditioning to be able to train and at least retain some reflexes and speed he has when he is in his prime.

Santiago is nowhere near Donaire's current status even though we talked about his age. Donaire is still quick at 38 and 39 and the proof of that is how he dominates his fights at that age with both 4th-round TKO wins against Nordine Oubaali and Reymart Gaballo.

Santiago can't even pass on the Top 5 rankings at those 4 recognized boxing organizations.

Status wise I agree with you Donaire had proven himself and may probably consider as one of the legend that dominates the Bantamweight and below weight class.  But, age matters considering the same punching power and skill is involved.  If Santiago isn't as skill as Donaire then I can say Donaire has better chance of winning.

[goinmerry]

Status wise I agree with you Donaire had proven himself and may probably consider as one of the legend that dominates the Bantamweight and below weight class.  But, age matters considering the same punching power and skill is involved.  If Santiago isn't as skill as Donaire then I can say Donaire has better chance of winning.

Age matters right but as I said, in Donaire's 39 years old he has impressive fight. He's 40 years right now and I don't see any difference that will change from 39 years to 40 years old. He will surely performed the same when he was 39 years old.

Not saying Santiago is really the super underdog but I don't see how he will against Donaire which is still good at his age.

If we talked about Donaire vs Moloney instead, I might see a possible win for Moloney even I will side to Donaire.

[Natalim]

Status wise I agree with you Donaire had proven himself and may probably consider as one of the legend that dominates the Bantamweight and below weight class.  But, age matters considering the same punching power and skill is involved.  If Santiago isn't as skill as Donaire then I can say Donaire has better chance of winning.

Age matters right but as I said, in Donaire's 39 years old he has impressive fight. He's 40 years right now and I don't see any difference that will change from 39 years to 40 years old. He will surely performed the same when he was 39 years old.

Not saying Santiago is really the super underdog but I don't see how he will against Donaire which is still good at his age.

If we talked about Donaire vs Moloney instead, I might see a possible win for Moloney even I will side to Donaire.

That's why this fight gives Donaire a great opportunity to become a champion again. He is up against an underdog, so most likely he will win and the media will again talk about his name. I'm predicting a KO win, as that kind of outcome gives the highest percentage of success for Donaire.

[arwin100]

Status wise I agree with you Donaire had proven himself and may probably consider as one of the legend that dominates the Bantamweight and below weight class.  But, age matters considering the same punching power and skill is involved.  If Santiago isn't as skill as Donaire then I can say Donaire has better chance of winning.

Age matters right but as I said, in Donaire's 39 years old he has impressive fight. He's 40 years right now and I don't see any difference that will change from 39 years to 40 years old. He will surely performed the same when he was 39 years old.

Not saying Santiago is really the super underdog but I don't see how he will against Donaire which is still good at his age.

If we talked about Donaire vs Moloney instead, I might see a possible win for Moloney even I will side to Donaire.

That's why this fight gives Donaire a great opportunity to become a champion again. He is up against an underdog, so most likely he will win and the media will again talk about his name. I'm predicting a KO win, as that kind of outcome gives the highest percentage of success for Donaire.

Media always talk about his name he got a legendary status already and any news about him is a big scope for them since there are so many people following an update regarding on his career path. Maybe he really need to win this fight since recently he encounter those upsetting lose and maybe this win is important to him since he can get back the glory as a champ under his name again if he win this.

[chaser15]

Maybe he really need to win this fight since recently he encounter those upsetting lose and maybe this win is important to him since he can get back the glory as a champ under his name again if he win this.

Why "maybe"? Of course, he really needs to win this fight since that was the goal at the beginning.

He didn't consider retirement in the first place after losing to Naoya Inoue in their rematch therefore, he wants to continue boxing and obviously, to win. The original plan was to go down weight and pursue a title shot there. But since Inoue moved up, the plan became better as he got a chance for the Bantamweight title and stay in that division.

This would be the last title shot of his career as time is now passing by and losing against Santiago if ever, will put him in below rankings.

[Silberman]

"snip"Donaire at 40 years old has yet another shot at being a champion, even if I think getting the win will be a challenge for Donaire.

It's only a big challenge for Nonito Donaire if the boxer he's fighting with is a KO artist, or has a better ranking than him. Here, I don't see Santiago being a huge threat to Donaire. Even at his age now, I think Donaire can still dominate this opponent.

Santiago is not even in the top 10 in the ranking if the report is updated.

https://www.boxingscene.com/rankings

If we based it on both fighters' experience, skills, and power Donaire is miles ahead but I'm looking at Donaire who beat Oubalii and Graballo, but if age finally caught up with Donaire even a non-ranking Santiago can beat him, we can guess what version of Donaire will show up in the first three rounds of the fight, I'm hoping the fast and strong one, so if ever Donaire have a choice to have a good exit and hang up his gloves.

That was the point I was trying to make, when it comes to almost any metric that we may consider Donaire has an advantage over Santiago, but there is one number that does not benefit Donaire and that is his age, and as we know father time is undefeated and every single professional boxer faces the day in which despite their experience their body simply does not respond as they are used to, I hope Donaire can still fight at the level we are used to and get the win, but I think there is a possibility Donaire may finally begin to show signs of aging.

[yazher]

Media always talk about his name he got a legendary status already and any news about him is a big scope for them since there are so many people following an update regarding on his career path. Maybe he really need to win this fight since recently he encounter those upsetting lose and maybe this win is important to him since he can get back the glory as a champ under his name again if he win this.

The dude is about to retire and having an unforgettable win just before he wears out his gloves, will be one of his happiest moments as a pro boxer. Just like any other boxer after they came from a loss, this one is no different and I'm sure he will gonna be putting everything here to give us the most exciting and entertaining fight to remember. Santiago is also lucky to have him as his opponent for that title and if he can beat him because of some lucky punches or something like that, he will still the show and become one of the most popular boxers overnight.

[Cling18]

Media always talk about his name he got a legendary status already and any news about him is a big scope for them since there are so many people following an update regarding on his career path. Maybe he really need to win this fight since recently he encounter those upsetting lose and maybe this win is important to him since he can get back the glory as a champ under his name again if he win this.

The dude is about to retire and having an unforgettable win just before he wears out his gloves, will be one of his happiest moments as a pro boxer. Just like any other boxer after they came from a loss, this one is no different and I'm sure he will gonna be putting everything here to give us the most exciting and entertaining fight to remember. Santiago is also lucky to have him as his opponent for that title and if he can beat him because of some lucky punches or something like that, he will still the show and become one of the most popular boxers overnight.

A good win which could leave him a gokd record will be a sign enough for him to decide about his retirement. Of course, they will not quit and retire after a bad loss because they will surely recover from it and would still ask for a rematch.
Regarding Donaire, I hope he could focus on his training now that he's having some issues with his wife and his dad. He really needs to focus after his previous defeats.

[btc_angela]

"snip"Donaire at 40 years old has yet another shot at being a champion, even if I think getting the win will be a challenge for Donaire.

It's only a big challenge for Nonito Donaire if the boxer he's fighting with is a KO artist, or has a better ranking than him. Here, I don't see Santiago being a huge threat to Donaire. Even at his age now, I think Donaire can still dominate this opponent.

Santiago is not even in the top 10 in the ranking if the report is updated.

https://www.boxingscene.com/rankings

If we based it on both fighters' experience, skills, and power Donaire is miles ahead but I'm looking at Donaire who beat Oubalii and Graballo, but if age finally caught up with Donaire even a non-ranking Santiago can beat him, we can guess what version of Donaire will show up in the first three rounds of the fight, I'm hoping the fast and strong one, so if ever Donaire have a choice to have a good exit and hang up his gloves.

That was the point I was trying to make, when it comes to almost any metric that we may consider Donaire has an advantage over Santiago, but there is one number that does not benefit Donaire and that is his age, and as we know father time is undefeated and every single professional boxer faces the day in which despite their experience their body simply does not respond as they are used to, I hope Donaire can still fight at the level we are used to and get the win, but I think there is a possibility Donaire may finally begin to show signs of aging.

Yes, but we will see if father time has caught up with Donaire here, or he still has that one fight in this arsenal that shows he can still pull that trigger and not ready to give up his gloves as of yet. So maybe he will have to have up this gloves and retire if he losses this one against Santiago.

But if he wins, then he has to defend or at least go with the other belt title holder to unify.

So hopefully Donaire will win this fight so that we can see him one more time. And the chances are good for him to win as he will be the favorite here.

[ultrloa]

Media always talk about his name he got a legendary status already and any news about him is a big scope for them since there are so many people following an update regarding on his career path. Maybe he really need to win this fight since recently he encounter those upsetting lose and maybe this win is important to him since he can get back the glory as a champ under his name again if he win this.

The dude is about to retire and having an unforgettable win just before he wears out his gloves, will be one of his happiest moments as a pro boxer. Just like any other boxer after they came from a loss, this one is no different and I'm sure he will gonna be putting everything here to give us the most exciting and entertaining fight to remember. Santiago is also lucky to have him as his opponent for that title and if he can beat him because of some lucky punches or something like that, he will still the show and become one of the most popular boxers overnight.

A good win which could leave him a gokd record will be a sign enough for him to decide about his retirement. Of course, they will not quit and retire after a bad loss because they will surely recover from it and would still ask for a rematch.
Regarding Donaire, I hope he could focus on his training now that he's having some issues with his wife and his dad. He really needs to focus after his previous defeats.

Not good to retire coming from a huge lose so I guess Donaire's camp want to get a good victory before he hang up his gloves and announce his full retirement. But as he's eagerness to get more fight it make me also think that he want more maybe just for the sake of money since getting a match give him a good pay cuts so I guess there's little part of it is for profit since he will never earn that money again if he retire.

Its like grabbing the opportunity while he can able to do it.

[Yamifoud]

But if he wins, then he has to defend or at least go with the other belt title holder to unify.

I don't think he will move to another division if he wins here. He will certainly defend his title or go for a unification fight against another champion. Inoue will be the barometer of this division, and since he has moved up, the competition may not be as tough as before.

So hopefully Donaire will win this fight so that we can see him one more time. And the chances are good for him to win as he will be the favorite here.

According to the latest betting odds in the market, he is a heavy favorite. That means he is likely to win, but there's no guarantee.

[Jating]

Media always talk about his name he got a legendary status already and any news about him is a big scope for them since there are so many people following an update regarding on his career path. Maybe he really need to win this fight since recently he encounter those upsetting lose and maybe this win is important to him since he can get back the glory as a champ under his name again if he win this.

The dude is about to retire and having an unforgettable win just before he wears out his gloves, will be one of his happiest moments as a pro boxer. Just like any other boxer after they came from a loss, this one is no different and I'm sure he will gonna be putting everything here to give us the most exciting and entertaining fight to remember. Santiago is also lucky to have him as his opponent for that title and if he can beat him because of some lucky punches or something like that, he will still the show and become one of the most popular boxers overnight.

A good win which could leave him a gokd record will be a sign enough for him to decide about his retirement. Of course, they will not quit and retire after a bad loss because they will surely recover from it and would still ask for a rematch.
Regarding Donaire, I hope he could focus on his training now that he's having some issues with his wife and his dad. He really needs to focus after his previous defeats.

Not good to retire coming from a huge lose so I guess Donaire's camp want to get a good victory before he hang up his gloves and announce his full retirement. But as he's eagerness to get more fight it make me also think that he want more maybe just for the sake of money since getting a match give him a good pay cuts so I guess there's little part of it is for profit since he will never earn that money again if he retire.

Its like grabbing the opportunity while he can able to do it.

I think a lose will just cemented that he has to retire though? Because obviously, if he wins, it's going to be hard to retire.

Just like when Manny lost to Ugas, he says that he is done for the sports, as least professionally. So in this case, I mean we don't want Donaire to lose this fight, but everything happens for a reason and worst is, the lost might be painful but it is what it is. He might have to consider retirement and so he will not damage himself at age 40. As someone pointed out, Father time is hard to defeat.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I haven't gone through with most details yet but I am happy to see that Donaire is going to have a championship match again. This is what he really needs to do before the possible retirement that he might announce just after the match.

I third the motion.  Let's make a poll.

I am sure that the votes will most likely for Donaire. Looking at the stats of Santiago, he may not that be an easy opponent. I'll find and watch some videos of his matches.

A win before he retires is a good one, this can be a big match for him and its good to see him back and have the chance to get a championship title.
Santiago is also a good boxer and a younger one compare to Donaire but I think age will not be an issue here, they almost have the same record thought Donaire lose more but the win is pretty impressive. A big match for Santiago but I think, with the best experience Donaire will win on this one.

Stats would go for donaire for sure. Regarding last match before retirement, I think it would be better if he'd have more. Still a young career I guess. It is just that he somehow chilled down not as hot as he was before. Batlle against age? Well pacquiao still has it so he might as well do so even if they are two different fighters. But going back, Santiago won't let this slide that easy. Indeed this would be a huge break for him to let go. For sure he's training hard as well. Which gave me the idea that this would be a battle of drive and hunger; to be back on track or to create a new one. Odds are not as clear with other matches but would probably still go for Nonito.

This is very good, as I said before, if a well-liked boxer like nonito wants to fight, they should support him and look for a contender for him, things are as they are, a boxer of this style who wants and is motivated to fight should support him, I know that the Boxing organizers first see and study the profits that will be obtained, that is, the business model, and then they take the sport into consideration, unfortunately it is so, but not much can be done, money is what moves everything worldwide and sport does not escape from this.

Nonito Donaire Tries to Break His Own Record and Make History Again

Although he already has a legacy that will catapult him into the International Boxing Hall of Fame, Filipino star Nonito “The Flash” Donaire will try to break his own record when he faces Mexican Alejandro Santiago on a date and place yet to be determined.

Donaire, born 40 years ago in Talibon, Philippines, and based for years in Las Vegas, Nevada, inscribed his name in the bantamweight division, becoming the oldest fighter to win a world championship belt.

The event occurred on May 29, 2021, in Carson, California, where the Tagalog anesthetized French southpaw Nordine Oubaali (17-1, 12 KOs) in the fourth round. Oubaali was defending the 118-pound WBC belt for the third time.

Superior in technique and experience, Donaire dropped Oubaali in the third round and again in the fourth, whereupon referee Jack Reiss put an end to the duel, deeming the Frenchman unfit to continue. That night, Donaire was 38 years, six months and 13 days old.

Source: https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/featured-boxing-articles-boxing-news-videos-rankings-and-results/75955-nonito-donaire-tries-to-break-his-own-record-and-make-history-again

Big for Nonito, I hope he can make history, he deserves it.

[chaser15]

He might have to consider retirement and so he will not damage himself at age 40. As someone pointed out, Father time is hard to defeat.

The same "Father Time" stuff is being also brought up during Nonito Donaire's title fight against Nordine Oubaali. And the result? He Knocked Out Oubaali within just the 4th round and become the oldest boxer to still achieved a world title. His age at that time was 38 years.

Next fight, he defended his title against Reymart Gaballo and the same "Father Time" stuff is again, being brought up. And the result? He Knocked Out Gaballo within just the 4th round. His age at that time was 39 years old.

After that 2 dominant wins at the age of 38 and 39 respectively, still, at 39 years old, he now faced Naoya Inoue and the result is known to others.

What I'm trying to say is, now at 40 years old, Donaire is not facing an opponent that can be considered in the same league with Oubaali, Gaballo, and obviously Inoue. He can surely handle Santiago and might again establish a new record of being the oldest boxer to achieve a world title.

Unfortunately, if Donaire really loses against Santiago, and we saw in our own eyes that he's really struggling the whole fight against a boxer that isn't on the top rank, then it's fairly to say that he needs to hang his gloves now as if he can't beat Santiago, what's more against those boxers at the top rankings.

[freedomgo]

Media always talk about his name he got a legendary status already and any news about him is a big scope for them since there are so many people following an update regarding on his career path. Maybe he really need to win this fight since recently he encounter those upsetting lose and maybe this win is important to him since he can get back the glory as a champ under his name again if he win this.

The dude is about to retire and having an unforgettable win just before he wears out his gloves, will be one of his happiest moments as a pro boxer. Just like any other boxer after they came from a loss, this one is no different and I'm sure he will gonna be putting everything here to give us the most exciting and entertaining fight to remember. Santiago is also lucky to have him as his opponent for that title and if he can beat him because of some lucky punches or something like that, he will still the show and become one of the most popular boxers overnight.

A good win which could leave him a gokd record will be a sign enough for him to decide about his retirement. Of course, they will not quit and retire after a bad loss because they will surely recover from it and would still ask for a rematch.
Regarding Donaire, I hope he could focus on his training now that he's having some issues with his wife and his dad. He really needs to focus after his previous defeats.

Not good to retire coming from a huge lose so I guess Donaire's camp want to get a good victory before he hang up his gloves and announce his full retirement. But as he's eagerness to get more fight it make me also think that he want more maybe just for the sake of money since getting a match give him a good pay cuts so I guess there's little part of it is for profit since he will never earn that money again if he retire.

Its like grabbing the opportunity while he can able to do it.

I think a lose will just cemented that he has to retire though? Because obviously, if he wins, it's going to be hard to retire.

Just like when Manny lost to Ugas, he says that he is done for the sports, as least professionally. So in this case, I mean we don't want Donaire to lose this fight, but everything happens for a reason and worst is, the lost might be painful but it is what it is. He might have to consider retirement and so he will not damage himself at age 40. As someone pointed out, Father time is hard to defeat.

I agree because there are some instances that even if you prepared well for the fight and did your best, the outcome is still not on your side because that preparation you made wasn't a guarantee to win the fight and it also happens that your foe has prepared more than what you did. Just like with Pacquiao, he sure did prepare for that fight against Ugas but fate wasn't on his side because his mind was divided as he was already busy running for the presidential seat at that time. And like Donaire as well, he sure did prepare well enough for his 2nd battle against Inoue but the latter prepared more and surprised him as Inoue finished the fight within 2 rounds.