[Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight (july15,2023

[freedomgo]

We all know that he is not getting any younger, so training hard and timing should be just perfect for him before the fight.

I doubt a hard training will take place. More probably, he just needs to maintain his good shape and try to achieve the very best condition he can get until the weigh-in. Hard training isn't a good way to condition Donaire at this point. He will surely be doing his usual routine operation of training every single day.

His experience will tell him what's the best strategy to execute in the fight. He's done with the hard training and no need to undergo that.

Not saying Nonito should just relax. I'm saying what should be effective way is, proper mind conditioning while doing light workouts e.g daily jog etc.

That's their basic job – to stay in condition so they can fight at 100% during the fight night. Donaire is not new to the world of boxing; he has already won multiple championships, so we can expect that he will not get careless with his conditioning. Additionally, we can consider his age as a factor. Hard training may not be advisable for someone his age, but what's important is that he trains the right way, so he can execute the game plan effectively during the fight.

The good thing for Donaire is he is always on the gym literally. Right now he is in Cebu, training at the Omega Gym where Johnriel Casimero also trained. Don't know when they will depart for the states but i think they will do much of his training here as one way also of promoting the Omega Stable and the couple (Nonito and Rachel) also train the boxers here so they might have an agreement with the owner to manage or maybe bring these boxers abroad if they have potentials to be a world champion someday.

Just a little trivia guys hehe, the owner of the Omega gym is also the owner of the Omega pain killer if you are familiar with that one lol.

Thanks for the update, I thought that Donaire is already in the States preparing for this fight on July 15. So he might have been staying this long in the Philippines to train and I think this might be the first time that he will have his full training in his native country?

Probably that is one reason why Donaire is still or can still fight at this age. Because he knows how to take care of his body and as you have said, he has that mentality to go to the gym and train even if he don't have a fight, just to keep himself fit and ready and of course, always be sharp and perfected his craft and tools.

I don't think that it is the case here because sooner or later, Nonito Donaire will have to leave his own country to travel abroad to continue his training as he has to be there for at least 1-2 weeks before the day of his fight to accustom his body first as we know that USA and Philippines do have a different weather even if Donaire is well accustomed already. His body needed it because it's been a while now since he fought and been in the Philippines.

[carlisle1]

I think he needs to hang the gloves at his age and respect Grandfather Time at this point. Not that I doubt his skills, but he's basically just too old for the sport that most blows that he receive are becoming more and more dangerous to him.

He is the only one who can decide that. You cannot compare a boxer to an average person because it depends on the discipline of a boxer. And as we can see, despite Donaire being old and having suffered a painful defeat at the hands of Inoue, he still wants to come back to boxing and aims to be a champion again. You can be impressed by the kind of dedication he has in his sport, so let's respect his decision and hope that he won't suffer a serious injury in case he loses a fight.

Yeah right, the decision belongs to him and we should respect it no matter what, with the way he shows his interest in winning the belt again
only dictates that he's still engaged in this sport.

We can't conclude what will be his decision after these upcoming fights, but I also value the situation where in his age those solid combinations that
he will going to take might damage him a lot.

It's only him though who will decide if what his next journey after fighting Santiago.

[harizen]

But I think and maybe majority here will agree, than Nonito can still fight anyone at bantamweight not name Inoue and he has a likely chance to beat everyone of them and become a bantamweight champion again.

Agree and I mentioned it too before.

Likely, this fight will be Donaire's turning point in his decision if he will still continue to fight or not. However, it's good if Donaire will be matched against the top contenders in the 118 instead of Santiago although just to be clear, I'm not degrading the latter here.

Moving forward, if Donaire can't even stop Santiago, who is just currently unranked by the WBC, then time to hang his gloves now. But if successful to win, he will join Takuma Inoue (WBA) and Jason Moloney (WBC) as his co-title holders in the 118 and hoping for a unification match as his next fight.

[dothebeats]

I think he needs to hang the gloves at his age and respect Grandfather Time at this point. Not that I doubt his skills, but he's basically just too old for the sport that most blows that he receive are becoming more and more dangerous to him.

He is the only one who can decide that. You cannot compare a boxer to an average person because it depends on the discipline of a boxer. And as we can see, despite Donaire being old and having suffered a painful defeat at the hands of Inoue, he still wants to come back to boxing and aims to be a champion again. You can be impressed by the kind of dedication he has in his sport, so let's respect his decision and hope that he won't suffer a serious injury in case he loses a fight.

I'm impressed with his longevity and his power as a fighter, no doubt. Then again, it is in the nature of the human body to deteriorate over time. No matter your discipline is as a fighter, a warrior or whatever, time will be your strongest enemy to stay in the game. Your body is more susceptible to damage, and it takes a lot more time for it to regenerate, sometimes not.

Donaire will have the final say, but he needs to really think it through.

[inthelongrun]

But I think and maybe majority here will agree, than Nonito can still fight anyone at bantamweight not name Inoue and he has a likely chance to beat everyone of them and become a bantamweight champion again.

Agree and I mentioned it too before.

Likely, this fight will be Donaire's turning point in his decision if he will still continue to fight or not. However, it's good if Donaire will be matched against the top contenders in the 118 instead of Santiago although just to be clear, I'm not degrading the latter here.

Moving forward, if Donaire can't even stop Santiago, who is just currently unranked by the WBC, then time to hang his gloves now. But if successful to win, he will join Takuma Inoue (WBA) and Jason Moloney (WBC) as his co-title holders in the 118 and hoping for a unification match as his next fight.

It just happens that Donaire is gifted with vicious power and that will stay for a lifetime. Although he still needs good reflexes, speed, and timing in order to hit his target. So as long as Donaire can land his bombs inside 12 rounds then his chances of winning remain alive in every fight. Even the great Inoue was badly hurt and shaken. And it leads to the conclusion that if that was a prime Donaire it would've ended Inoue because the speed and stamina are still there to follow up and the Japanese will never recover.

I cannot remember the exact WBC rankings but I believe Santiago is ranked high since he got the chance to fight for the vacant belt? As far as I remember, #1 Moloney went the WBO route, #2 is Donaire, and #3 had a fight schedule last February which made him not available since the mandatory was issued that same month. I think it was Gaballo at #4 or #5. Santiago should be right there.

[Maslate]

But I think and maybe majority here will agree, than Nonito can still fight anyone at bantamweight not name Inoue and he has a likely chance to beat everyone of them and become a bantamweight champion again.

Agree and I mentioned it too before.

Likely, this fight will be Donaire's turning point in his decision if he will still continue to fight or not. However, it's good if Donaire will be matched against the top contenders in the 118 instead of Santiago although just to be clear, I'm not degrading the latter here.

Moving forward, if Donaire can't even stop Santiago, who is just currently unranked by the WBC, then time to hang his gloves now. But if successful to win, he will join Takuma Inoue (WBA) and Jason Moloney (WBC) as his co-title holders in the 118 and hoping for a unification match as his next fight.

This indeed will be the point where he will decide the hang up his gloves or not, depends of the outcome and the reason behind it, because if he can win against Santiago but barely, then I think it's really time for Donaire to let go. Although it's his discretion what he will do next but he surely want to have a statement against Santiago and win via KO to know that his chances are still strong to go for another opponent that are ranked much higher than Santiago.

[mirakal]

It just happens that Donaire is gifted with vicious power and that will stay for a lifetime. Although he still needs good reflexes, speed, and timing in order to hit his target. So as long as Donaire can land his bombs inside 12 rounds then his chances of winning remain alive in every fight. Even the great Inoue was badly hurt and shaken. And it leads to the conclusion that if that was a prime Donaire it would've ended Inoue because the speed and stamina are still there to follow up and the Japanese will never recover.

The problem is, Nonito Donaire was much older when he fought Inoue for the 2nd time that's why the difference were so vast and clear that even made the fight end in just mere two rounds leaving the public in surprise, including me because I thought Donaire can somehow make a difference but unfortunately, even Donaire himself was shocked by what happened as he truly did not expect that Inoue will evolve like that since their first encounter.

I cannot remember the exact WBC rankings but I believe Santiago is ranked high since he got the chance to fight for the vacant belt? As far as I remember, #1 Moloney went the WBO route, #2 is Donaire, and #3 had a fight schedule last February which made him not available since the mandatory was issued that same month. I think it was Gaballo at #4 or #5. Santiago should be right there.

Not really the case for Santiago since he is not from the Top 5 and IIRC, he's not even in the Top 10. It's just that Donaire was desperate enough to find himself a foe to make the fight happen while increasing his chance to be a champion once more by picking a boxer outside the Top 10.

[Pamadar]

But I think and maybe majority here will agree, than Nonito can still fight anyone at bantamweight not name Inoue and he has a likely chance to beat everyone of them and become a bantamweight champion again.

Agree and I mentioned it too before.

Likely, this fight will be Donaire's turning point in his decision if he will still continue to fight or not. However, it's good if Donaire will be matched against the top contenders in the 118 instead of Santiago although just to be clear, I'm not degrading the latter here.

Moving forward, if Donaire can't even stop Santiago, who is just currently unranked by the WBC, then time to hang his gloves now. But if successful to win, he will join Takuma Inoue (WBA) and Jason Moloney (WBC) as his co-title holders in the 118 and hoping for a unification match as his next fight.

This indeed will be the point where he will decide the hang up his gloves or not, depends of the outcome and the reason behind it, because if he can win against Santiago but barely, then I think it's really time for Donaire to let go. Although it's his discretion what he will do next but he surely want to have a statement against Santiago and win via KO to know that his chances are still strong to go for another opponent that are ranked much higher than Santiago.

We will know that after the fight, if he and his camp still see the opportunities and capabilities,

He might take another one before hanging his gloves, or maybe a chance of seeing him content with the outcome and
decide to let the new generations to compete with the title.

Nothing to prove as we all know what he contributed from this sport and how fans internationally known for his
dominance when he is still in his prime.

[Jating]

But I think and maybe majority here will agree, than Nonito can still fight anyone at bantamweight not name Inoue and he has a likely chance to beat everyone of them and become a bantamweight champion again.

Agree and I mentioned it too before.

Likely, this fight will be Donaire's turning point in his decision if he will still continue to fight or not. However, it's good if Donaire will be matched against the top contenders in the 118 instead of Santiago although just to be clear, I'm not degrading the latter here.

Moving forward, if Donaire can't even stop Santiago, who is just currently unranked by the WBC, then time to hang his gloves now. But if successful to win, he will join Takuma Inoue (WBA) and Jason Moloney (WBC) as his co-title holders in the 118 and hoping for a unification match as his next fight.

It just happens that Donaire is gifted with vicious power and that will stay for a lifetime. Although he still needs good reflexes, speed, and timing in order to hit his target. So as long as Donaire can land his bombs inside 12 rounds then his chances of winning remain alive in every fight. Even the great Inoue was badly hurt and shaken. And it leads to the conclusion that if that was a prime Donaire it would've ended Inoue because the speed and stamina are still there to follow up and the Japanese will never recover.

This is the hallmark of an elite boxer for me. I mean when he was young he just rely on his power. But as he aged, he really works very hard with regards to his speed and timing and that's why he was able to stay that long.

I cannot remember the exact WBC rankings but I believe Santiago is ranked high since he got the chance to fight for the vacant belt? As far as I remember, #1 Moloney went the WBO route, #2 is Donaire, and #3 had a fight schedule last February which made him not available since the mandatory was issued that same month. I think it was Gaballo at #4 or #5. Santiago should be right there.

Santiago is #4, Nawaphon Sor. Rungvisai rank #2 and Gaballo rank #3 (which recently won a fight in Philippines if I remember reading it).

And Nawaphon Sor. Rungvisai vs Gaballo is also being ordered and most likely the winner will have to face the winner of Donaire vs Santiago.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

But I think and maybe majority here will agree, than Nonito can still fight anyone at bantamweight not name Inoue and he has a likely chance to beat everyone of them and become a bantamweight champion again.

Agree and I mentioned it too before.

Likely, this fight will be Donaire's turning point in his decision if he will still continue to fight or not. However, it's good if Donaire will be matched against the top contenders in the 118 instead of Santiago although just to be clear, I'm not degrading the latter here.

Moving forward, if Donaire can't even stop Santiago, who is just currently unranked by the WBC, then time to hang his gloves now. But if successful to win, he will join Takuma Inoue (WBA) and Jason Moloney (WBC) as his co-title holders in the 118 and hoping for a unification match as his next fight.

Yes, he can take that route, but I will say that since Moloney passed the opportunity to fight Donaire as he move to WBO for any easy belt and route, I doubt that the WBC will simply allow Donaire (if he beats Santiago) and got the belt. He might have to defend it against the next rank fighter in the division or wait if there is a mandatory ordered fight for Donaire. So still a lot of options for him if he wins the WBC belt next month and obviously he can go and continue with his career, albeit he really needs to take care of himself and be discipline as he is over 40 years old.

[Hypnosis00]

But I think and maybe majority here will agree, than Nonito can still fight anyone at bantamweight not name Inoue and he has a likely chance to beat everyone of them and become a bantamweight champion again.

Agree and I mentioned it too before.

Likely, this fight will be Donaire's turning point in his decision if he will still continue to fight or not. However, it's good if Donaire will be matched against the top contenders in the 118 instead of Santiago although just to be clear, I'm not degrading the latter here.

Moving forward, if Donaire can't even stop Santiago, who is just currently unranked by the WBC, then time to hang his gloves now. But if successful to win, he will join Takuma Inoue (WBA) and Jason Moloney (WBC) as his co-title holders in the 118 and hoping for a unification match as his next fight.

Yes, he can take that route, but I will say that since Moloney passed the opportunity to fight Donaire as he move to WBO for any easy belt and route, I doubt that the WBC will simply allow Donaire (if he beats Santiago) and got the belt. He might have to defend it against the next rank fighter in the division or wait if there is a mandatory ordered fight for Donaire. So still a lot of options for him if he wins the WBC belt next month and obviously he can go and continue with his career, albeit he really needs to take care of himself and be discipline as he is over 40 years old.

Whatever journey awaits Donaire after this fight, I'm not thinking about it right now. What I would love to see is Donaire winning and becoming a champion. Perhaps there will be negotiations along the way for Donaire to participate in a unification fight. Honestly, even at Donaire's current age, I still believe he has a good chance of becoming a unified champion, especially when facing someone like Moloney.

[Questat]

Honestly, even at Donaire's current age, I still believe he has a good chance of becoming a unified champion, especially when facing someone like Moloney.

Moloney seemed to understand this, as he chose not to continue his fight with Donaire and instead opted for an easier opponent, which he successfully defeated. However, he cannot hide forever because once Donaire becomes a champion, a potential unification fight might arise.

Here's the list:  https://box.live/world-rankings/bantamweight/

There are still many vacant titles in the division, so we may see more opportunities emerging in this weight class.

[Finestream]

Honestly, even at Donaire's current age, I still believe he has a good chance of becoming a unified champion, especially when facing someone like Moloney.

Moloney seemed to understand this, as he chose not to continue his fight with Donaire and instead opted for an easier opponent, which he successfully defeated. However, he cannot hide forever because once Donaire becomes a champion, a potential unification fight might arise.

Here's the list:  https://box.live/world-rankings/bantamweight/

There are still many vacant titles in the division, so we may see more opportunities emerging in this weight class.

As the weeks goes by, I actually see why Moloney chose to fight other boxers instead of fighting Donaire first because there's a chance that he might have predicted that their fight will happen much longer than expected because of Donaire's promotional banner, the Probellum. So instead of waiting for Donaire, he chose to get the other belts first because he knew right from the start that as long as Donaire will be active on the sport, their path will cross sooner or later.

[aioc]

I think he needs to hang the gloves at his age and respect Grandfather Time at this point. Not that I doubt his skills, but he's basically just too old for the sport that most blows that he receive are becoming more and more dangerous to him.

He is the only one who can decide that. You cannot compare a boxer to an average person because it depends on the discipline of a boxer. And as we can see, despite Donaire being old and having suffered a painful defeat at the hands of Inoue, he still wants to come back to boxing and aims to be a champion again. You can be impressed by the kind of dedication he has in his sport, so let's respect his decision and hope that he won't suffer a serious injury in case he loses a fight.

I'm impressed with his longevity and his power as a fighter, no doubt. Then again, it is in the nature of the human body to deteriorate over time. No matter your discipline is as a fighter, a warrior or whatever, time will be your strongest enemy to stay in the game. Your body is more susceptible to damage, and it takes a lot more time for it to regenerate, sometimes not.

Donaire will have the final say, but he needs to really think it through.

In boxing, the first to give up is the body, the mind is the last one to give up, and the mind will deny it until the body can not keep up anymore, which is why so many boxers keep going even fighting low-level fighters to prove that the body can still keep up, I remember what Eric Morales said after he hang-ups his globe after his last fight, I can feel all the punches now compared when I was younger, I just hope that Donaire will be the first to say that its time to hang up instead of his fans calling him to hang up.
Honestly, I'm a fan of Donaire and it hurts seeing him knocked out.

[Botnake]

Honestly, even at Donaire's current age, I still believe he has a good chance of becoming a unified champion, especially when facing someone like Moloney.

Moloney seemed to understand this, as he chose not to continue his fight with Donaire and instead opted for an easier opponent, which he successfully defeated. However, he cannot hide forever because once Donaire becomes a champion, a potential unification fight might arise.

Here's the list:  https://box.live/world-rankings/bantamweight/

There are still many vacant titles in the division, so we may see more opportunities emerging in this weight class.

As the weeks goes by, I actually see why Moloney chose to fight other boxers instead of fighting Donaire first because there's a chance that he might have predicted that their fight will happen much longer than expected because of Donaire's promotional banner, the Probellum. So instead of waiting for Donaire, he chose to get the other belts first because he knew right from the start that as long as Donaire will be active on the sport, their path will cross sooner or later.

At least he is now the champion, while Donaire still has to fight to become a champion. Perhaps he can have a few title defenses before considering a unification fight with Donaire, if Donaire does indeed win this fight. It's too early to discuss, but based on what we have witnessed in the past, it is evident that Moloney is trying to avoid Donaire to make his own journey easier.

[Pamadar]

Honestly, even at Donaire's current age, I still believe he has a good chance of becoming a unified champion, especially when facing someone like Moloney.

Moloney seemed to understand this, as he chose not to continue his fight with Donaire and instead opted for an easier opponent, which he successfully defeated. However, he cannot hide forever because once Donaire becomes a champion, a potential unification fight might arise.

Here's the list:  https://box.live/world-rankings/bantamweight/

There are still many vacant titles in the division, so we may see more opportunities emerging in this weight class.

As the weeks goes by, I actually see why Moloney chose to fight other boxers instead of fighting Donaire first because there's a chance that he might have predicted that their fight will happen much longer than expected because of Donaire's promotional banner, the Probellum. So instead of waiting for Donaire, he chose to get the other belts first because he knew right from the start that as long as Donaire will be active on the sport, their path will cross sooner or later.

At least he is now the champion, while Donaire still has to fight to become a champion. Perhaps he can have a few title defenses before considering a unification fight with Donaire, if Donaire does indeed win this fight. It's too early to discuss, but based on what we have witnessed in the past, it is evident that Moloney is trying to avoid Donaire to make his own journey easier.

I agree with that, instead of waiting, he chooses the easier path and takes the belt.

Now, he's going to decide to whether to unify all the belts or try to take the challenger that will give him more money.
we all know that it's not all because of the title, but it's also a business where fighters can earn decently, too early
to conclude if the path between him and Donaire will cross, as in my take the age of Donaire is something that
he needs to look after this upcoming fight.

[btc_angela]

Honestly, even at Donaire's current age, I still believe he has a good chance of becoming a unified champion, especially when facing someone like Moloney.

Moloney seemed to understand this, as he chose not to continue his fight with Donaire and instead opted for an easier opponent, which he successfully defeated. However, he cannot hide forever because once Donaire becomes a champion, a potential unification fight might arise.

Here's the list:  https://box.live/world-rankings/bantamweight/

There are still many vacant titles in the division, so we may see more opportunities emerging in this weight class.

As the weeks goes by, I actually see why Moloney chose to fight other boxers instead of fighting Donaire first because there's a chance that he might have predicted that their fight will happen much longer than expected because of Donaire's promotional banner, the Probellum. So instead of waiting for Donaire, he chose to get the other belts first because he knew right from the start that as long as Donaire will be active on the sport, their path will cross sooner or later.

Yes, this is also one reason (or excuse if you will going to look at it), as why Moloney, who is under Top Rank and obviously Bob Arum doesn't want to work with Probellum that time because of it's association to the Irish Mafia.

The only negative thing though with Moloney is that he was drop from the WBC rankings. Nevertheless he won the belt already, so it's a risk that is worth for them right now. But nevertheless, it might be difficult again to see a unification fight at 118 lbs because of all this boxing politics.

[Questat]

But nevertheless, it might be difficult again to see a unification fight at 118 lbs because of all this boxing politics.

This excessive politicization in the boxing industry could potentially lead to its decline in the future if changes are not made. While politics have always been a part of the sport, an excessive focus on protecting champions and avoiding challenging matchups can diminish the excitement for fans.

True boxing fans want to witness fights that showcase the best of the best, including unification and undisputed battles. It is important for promoters and organizations to prioritize creating these matchups to keep the sport engaging and thriving.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

But nevertheless, it might be difficult again to see a unification fight at 118 lbs because of all this boxing politics.

This excessive politicization in the boxing industry could potentially lead to its decline in the future if changes are not made. While politics have always been a part of the sport, an excessive focus on protecting champions and avoiding challenging matchups can diminish the excitement for fans.

True boxing fans want to witness fights that showcase the best of the best, including unification and undisputed battles. It is important for promoters and organizations to prioritize creating these matchups to keep the sport engaging and thriving.

From time to time though we may witnessed a unification fight, but it's very hard to do it, unless both parties both their ego aside and just wanted to face each other and test themselves to know who are the best in the division.

I recently checked my favorite sports bookies and it seems that Donaire is the favorite and Santiago almost 3:1 underdog?

I thought it could be closer though, but I guess even at his age, Donaire can still fight and that's why they put him as a big favorite here.

[Kelvinid]

I recently checked my favorite sports bookies and it seems that Donaire is the favorite and Santiago almost 3:1 underdog?

I thought it could be closer though, but I guess even at his age, Donaire can still fight and that's why they put him as a big favorite here.

There's no need to be surprised by that, as Alejandro Santiago is only ranked number 4 based on the stats that were shared earlier. It is expected that Donaire would easily win this fight. However, since there is no assurance that Donaire will emerge victorious, perhaps Santiago's fans might view it as an opportunity to potentially earn more money if the young Santiago manages to defeat the older Donaire.