[Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight (july15,2023

[Viscore]

I get your point, but we also need to consider that it was Inoue and the adjustment he did after that first fight
is really different. He knows that speed is his advantage, and he demonstrates that during the fight.

Donaire, on the other hand, can't do anything about that. Inoue is on his prime and both speed and strength
are accurately being executed.

Donaire has never fought a boxer like Inoue before, so it's really hard to expect that he'll dominate Inoue. As we witnessed, although Donaire had a chance of winning in their first fight by landing accurate punches that hurt Inoue, the latter made in-game adjustments, ultimately resulting in his victory. The rematch showed a different scenario, with Inoue in full control. In conclusion, it's safe to say that Inoue comes up as the clear winner.

Now, fighting with another young aspiring fighter, let see if how Donaire will try his best to reclaim the title
after Inoue vacated the belt.

Donaire is expected to win because Santiago is not on par with popular boxers like Inoue, not even close in my opinion. If Santiago were to win, it would be considered a significant upset.

[Jating]

Personally, I would like Nonito Donaire to be able to demonstrate that age is not an impediment to sport, on the contrary, that the more seniority and the more experience the better for every boxer and I believe that for every athlete, this It is something that will always be noticed, not only in boxing do you see these things, but also in soccer I have seen that the players always do whatever it takes to look fit and be in shape, so that new players do not surpass them or hurt them. gain in speed, that's what they always fear, but that's something that can go wrong, in boxers things look different.

There is a reason why a boxer in his prime is often evaded by people who take so much care about their winning streak.  Prime boxer has the optimum output and performance to beat their opponent.  No matter how we think that older boxer has more experience, the younger boxer has their camp with experienced coaches and trainers that can guide them through out their carreer.  If the younger boxer is a good learner then the advantage of an old veteran can be nullified.

Although athletes can make themselves fit, older athletes cannot perform like their prime day since their ability might have deteriorated due to old age.  The one that most affected is reflex, speed. We have seen how Donaire slowed down in executing his counters when he fought Inoue and how his performance degraded in their rematch.

I get your point, but we also need to consider that it was Inoue and the adjustment he did after that first fight
is really different. He knows that speed is his advantage, and he demonstrates that during the fight.

Donaire, on the other hand, can't do anything about that. Inoue is on his prime and both speed and strength
are accurately being executed.

Just bad strategy for Donaire, he said post fight interview that his strategy is go toe to toe with Inoue. As you can see it was very bad as his speed and timing is no match for Inoue's power and timing as well. If he plays and just shell out in the fight, maybe it can go to distance but it will be the same outcome as well.

Now, fighting with another young aspiring fighter, let see if how Donaire will try his best to reclaim the title
after Inoue vacated the belt.

Yes, he is the favorite in this fight based on experience and the tools and we have seen Donaire somewhat dominating this division. But Inoue is the king of 118 lbs obviously and Nonito is the second best. But since Inoue has move up, then perhaps Nonito can get back and claim his belt back.

[Pamadar]

Now, fighting with another young aspiring fighter, let see if how Donaire will try his best to reclaim the title
after Inoue vacated the belt.

Yes, he is the favorite in this fight based on experience and the tools and we have seen Donaire somewhat dominating this division. But Inoue is the king of 118 lbs obviously and Nonito is the second best. But since Inoue has move up, then perhaps Nonito can get back and claim his belt back.

We will see if he can still show the fans why he once dominated this division before Inoue take the belt from him.

Surely it will be an anticipated fight from his loyal fans and with the expectations of winning this upcoming fight, we will
see if Donaire can still bring that same performance and bring the same outcome against a much younger and an aspiring
fighter who is also dreaming to reach his time on being a champ.

[freedomgo]

Now, fighting with another young aspiring fighter, let see if how Donaire will try his best to reclaim the title
after Inoue vacated the belt.

Yes, he is the favorite in this fight based on experience and the tools and we have seen Donaire somewhat dominating this division. But Inoue is the king of 118 lbs obviously and Nonito is the second best. But since Inoue has move up, then perhaps Nonito can get back and claim his belt back.

We will see if he can still show the fans why he once dominated this division before Inoue take the belt from him.

Surely it will be an anticipated fight from his loyal fans and with the expectations of winning this upcoming fight, we will
see if Donaire can still bring that same performance and bring the same outcome against a much younger and an aspiring
fighter who is also dreaming to reach his time on being a champ.

No matter what angle I try to see it, I always see some chances that this Alejandro Santiago will win the fight because apart from he's much younger, he is also more agile and that makes him in-par with the current Donaire and if he is durable enough to eat Donaire's punches then I guess that will be a good gauge that he can definitely bring the fight in his favor.

Of course, I'm with Donaire on this fight because aside from we came from the same country, I'm also his fan since I took interest in watching boxing fights. But I just cannot deny that after seeing the Lopez vs Taylor fight, it gives me a different perspective about the reality of this match.

[Dave1]

Now, fighting with another young aspiring fighter, let see if how Donaire will try his best to reclaim the title
after Inoue vacated the belt.

Yes, he is the favorite in this fight based on experience and the tools and we have seen Donaire somewhat dominating this division. But Inoue is the king of 118 lbs obviously and Nonito is the second best. But since Inoue has move up, then perhaps Nonito can get back and claim his belt back.

We will see if he can still show the fans why he once dominated this division before Inoue take the belt from him.

Surely it will be an anticipated fight from his loyal fans and with the expectations of winning this upcoming fight, we will
see if Donaire can still bring that same performance and bring the same outcome against a much younger and an aspiring
fighter who is also dreaming to reach his time on being a champ.

No matter what angle I try to see it, I always see some chances that this Alejandro Santiago will win the fight because apart from he's much younger, he is also more agile and that makes him in-par with the current Donaire and if he is durable enough to eat Donaire's punches then I guess that will be a good gauge that he can definitely bring the fight in his favor.

Of course, I'm with Donaire on this fight because aside from we came from the same country, I'm also his fan since I took interest in watching boxing fights. But I just cannot deny that after seeing the Lopez vs Taylor fight, it gives me a different perspective about the reality of this match.

It's possible that there could be upsets, we can't discount that thing specially if Santiago shows great resiliency and in the best version of himself. And then we are going to see how Donaire is, maybe he is in shape but perhaps due to age he might be a different fighter now.

Donaire needs to be active and doesn't want to go on long lay-offs, but he could be training even before the actual released of the official fight. So we will see if there will be another upset in the making or Donaire having a belt again.

[Kemarit]

Now, fighting with another young aspiring fighter, let see if how Donaire will try his best to reclaim the title
after Inoue vacated the belt.

Yes, he is the favorite in this fight based on experience and the tools and we have seen Donaire somewhat dominating this division. But Inoue is the king of 118 lbs obviously and Nonito is the second best. But since Inoue has move up, then perhaps Nonito can get back and claim his belt back.

We will see if he can still show the fans why he once dominated this division before Inoue take the belt from him.

Surely it will be an anticipated fight from his loyal fans and with the expectations of winning this upcoming fight, we will
see if Donaire can still bring that same performance and bring the same outcome against a much younger and an aspiring
fighter who is also dreaming to reach his time on being a champ.

No matter what angle I try to see it, I always see some chances that this Alejandro Santiago will win the fight because apart from he's much younger, he is also more agile and that makes him in-par with the current Donaire and if he is durable enough to eat Donaire's punches then I guess that will be a good gauge that he can definitely bring the fight in his favor.

It's just fair though, I mean he is the younger fighter here, so definitely in paper he looks good as he might have the advantage. And we will have to see Donaire coming off from that huge lost to Inoue. We will have to see if he still can put up a good fight and can pull the trigger.

Of course, I'm with Donaire on this fight because aside from we came from the same country, I'm also his fan since I took interest in watching boxing fights. But I just cannot deny that after seeing the Lopez vs Taylor fight, it gives me a different perspective about the reality of this match.

If we are talking about upset yes it does happen, but if you compare it to Lopez vs Taylor, it's very different. As Taylor admitted after fight that he has issues making the 140 lbs. So in this fight the upset was because of the weight as his body can't take that and so his performance are affected.

[Yamifoud]

If we are talking about upset yes it does happen, but if you compare it to Lopez vs Taylor, it's very different. As Taylor admitted after fight that he has issues making the 140 lbs. So in this fight the upset was because of the weight as his body can't take that and so his performance are affected.

That was just an excuse in my opinion. Although he was the favorite to win, it's very clear how Lopez dominated him. Lopez was the stronger fighter in that match. Instead of making excuses, he should accept his losses and consider moving up if he struggles with his weight. He should also give credit to Lopez for performing well.

Nonito is different, though. He doesn't make excuses and continues to fight despite having lost many fights already.

[Ziskinberg]

If we are talking about upset yes it does happen, but if you compare it to Lopez vs Taylor, it's very different. As Taylor admitted after fight that he has issues making the 140 lbs. So in this fight the upset was because of the weight as his body can't take that and so his performance are affected.

That was just an excuse in my opinion. Although he was the favorite to win, it's very clear how Lopez dominated him. Lopez was the stronger fighter in that match. Instead of making excuses, he should accept his losses and consider moving up if he struggles with his weight. He should also give credit to Lopez for performing well.

Nonito is different, though. He doesn't make excuses and continues to fight despite having lost many fights already.

Definitely, this is what he said during his lose on their rematch.

Nonito Donaire admitted he failed to execute his camp’s game plan which led to a second-round technical knockout loss to Naoya Inoue in their bantamweight unification rematch on Tuesday in Saitama, Japan.

Inoue should be excluded from the discussion because he is truly exceptional. If we want to witness genuine competition where the outcome is uncertain, we should remove Inoue from the equation.

[Shamm]

Now, fighting with another young aspiring fighter, let see if how Donaire will try his best to reclaim the title
after Inoue vacated the belt.

Yes, he is the favorite in this fight based on experience and the tools and we have seen Donaire somewhat dominating this division. But Inoue is the king of 118 lbs obviously and Nonito is the second best. But since Inoue has move up, then perhaps Nonito can get back and claim his belt back.

We will see if he can still show the fans why he once dominated this division before Inoue take the belt from him.

Surely it will be an anticipated fight from his loyal fans and with the expectations of winning this upcoming fight, we will
see if Donaire can still bring that same performance and bring the same outcome against a much younger and an aspiring
fighter who is also dreaming to reach his time on being a champ.

No matter what angle I try to see it, I always see some chances that this Alejandro Santiago will win the fight because apart from he's much younger, he is also more agile and that makes him in-par with the current Donaire and if he is durable enough to eat Donaire's punches then I guess that will be a good gauge that he can definitely bring the fight in his favor.

Of course, I'm with Donaire on this fight because aside from we came from the same country, I'm also his fan since I took interest in watching boxing fights. But I just cannot deny that after seeing the Lopez vs Taylor fight, it gives me a different perspective about the reality of this match.

It's possible that there could be upsets, we can't discount that thing specially if Santiago shows great resiliency and in the best version of himself. And then we are going to see how Donaire is, maybe he is in shape but perhaps due to age he might be a different fighter now.

Donaire needs to be active and doesn't want to go on long lay-offs, but he could be training even before the actual released of the official fight. So we will see if there will be another upset in the making or Donaire having a belt again.

Donaire is having an Age which means it will matters on his performances because we all know how the boxing industries work upon them. And as we saw that Donaire now is slower than before which is when he is in his prime we can see a good and veteran donaire in the ring. A super good counter punches leads him a good record in his career. But now I don't think so if he can still fight a good fight as we all know that age can matters.

[Kasabus]

Now, fighting with another young aspiring fighter, let see if how Donaire will try his best to reclaim the title
after Inoue vacated the belt.

Yes, he is the favorite in this fight based on experience and the tools and we have seen Donaire somewhat dominating this division. But Inoue is the king of 118 lbs obviously and Nonito is the second best. But since Inoue has move up, then perhaps Nonito can get back and claim his belt back.

We will see if he can still show the fans why he once dominated this division before Inoue take the belt from him.

Surely it will be an anticipated fight from his loyal fans and with the expectations of winning this upcoming fight, we will
see if Donaire can still bring that same performance and bring the same outcome against a much younger and an aspiring
fighter who is also dreaming to reach his time on being a champ.

No matter what angle I try to see it, I always see some chances that this Alejandro Santiago will win the fight because apart from he's much younger, he is also more agile and that makes him in-par with the current Donaire and if he is durable enough to eat Donaire's punches then I guess that will be a good gauge that he can definitely bring the fight in his favor.

Of course, I'm with Donaire on this fight because aside from we came from the same country, I'm also his fan since I took interest in watching boxing fights. But I just cannot deny that after seeing the Lopez vs Taylor fight, it gives me a different perspective about the reality of this match.

It's possible that there could be upsets, we can't discount that thing specially if Santiago shows great resiliency and in the best version of himself. And then we are going to see how Donaire is, maybe he is in shape but perhaps due to age he might be a different fighter now.

Donaire needs to be active and doesn't want to go on long lay-offs, but he could be training even before the actual released of the official fight. So we will see if there will be another upset in the making or Donaire having a belt again.

Donaire is having an Age which means it will matters on his performances because we all know how the boxing industries work upon them. And as we saw that Donaire now is slower than before which is when he is in his prime we can see a good and veteran donaire in the ring. A super good counter punches leads him a good record in his career. But now I don't think so if he can still fight a good fight as we all know that age can matters.

I think that's one way to look at it but considering the fact that Donaire is still eager to fight in the ring means that he is still confident that he can make a difference and become a champion once again. Age is a factor, yes, but not that wholly that it will be a huge factor to determine who will win because even if he's not that flashy anymore, he can still give a good punch that one can be KOd if they are caught off guard.

[Yaunfitda]

If we are talking about upset yes it does happen, but if you compare it to Lopez vs Taylor, it's very different. As Taylor admitted after fight that he has issues making the 140 lbs. So in this fight the upset was because of the weight as his body can't take that and so his performance are affected.

That was just an excuse in my opinion. Although he was the favorite to win, it's very clear how Lopez dominated him. Lopez was the stronger fighter in that match. Instead of making excuses, he should accept his losses and consider moving up if he struggles with his weight. He should also give credit to Lopez for performing well.

Nonito is different, though. He doesn't make excuses and continues to fight despite having lost many fights already.

That's how boxers is, if they lost they have to find loopholes in them and say excuses. But I guess that was normal though, even if real life we also find excuses if we don't succeed. The best thing to do is comeback a better fighter if Taylor wanted to move to 147 lbs.

For this fight, we have been discussing Donaire's age as a factor or non-factor.

Some of us see this as a major issue for Donaire now, as seen how brutal he as knockout by Inoue and it might hard for him to make a comeback. But there are majority who says that age is not a concern for Donaire, as he can still have the power and he has the experience in this fight. For me, I'm leaning towards the latter, I still see Donaire winning here.

[Pamadar]

For this fight, we have been discussing Donaire's age as a factor or non-factor.

Some of us see this as a major issue for Donaire now, as seen how brutal he as knockout by Inoue and it might hard for him to make a comeback. But there are majority who says that age is not a concern for Donaire, as he can still have the power and he has the experience in this fight. For me, I'm leaning towards the latter, I still see Donaire winning here.

He needs to use his experienced wisely, unlike with how he plans his strategy against Inoue,

This time he needs to lean with his experienced and not to engage that much with Santiago, he needs to use his
timing, as we know how good he is when observing his opponent and take that surprise attack to put it down.

Donaire still winning here from my own take, Santiago's capability is not the same or far from how Inoue dominated
this division.

[Sanitough]

For this fight, we have been discussing Donaire's age as a factor or non-factor.

Some of us see this as a major issue for Donaire now, as seen how brutal he as knockout by Inoue and it might hard for him to make a comeback. But there are majority who says that age is not a concern for Donaire, as he can still have the power and he has the experience in this fight. For me, I'm leaning towards the latter, I still see Donaire winning here.

He needs to use his experienced wisely, unlike with how he plans his strategy against Inoue,

This time he needs to lean with his experienced and not to engage that much with Santiago, he needs to use his
timing, as we know how good he is when observing his opponent and take that surprise attack to put it down.

Donaire still winning here from my own take, Santiago's capability is not the same or far from how Inoue dominated
this division.

Donaire loves to brawl, and he still believes in his power. I think he is more superior to Santiago. Inoue, on the other hand, is in a different class. He possesses both power and speed, which is why he has been extremely dominant. Now, it's Donaire's time to shine. Despite his age, although some have doubts about his ability to dominate, personally, I believe he can become a unified champion if the organizations make fights like that happen.

[Botnake]

Donaire still winning here from my own take, Santiago's capability is not the same or far from how Inoue dominated
this division.

There's a significant gap between Inoue and Santiago. Inoue has held the championship in the division for quite some time, while Santiago is currently just a contender. In fact, both Donaire and Santiago are contenders fighting for the vacant belt that Inoue left behind. It's undeniable that Inoue stands out in the discussion because there hasn't been a fighter who comes close to his skills, except perhaps for Casimero.

[Kemarit]

If we are talking about upset yes it does happen, but if you compare it to Lopez vs Taylor, it's very different. As Taylor admitted after fight that he has issues making the 140 lbs. So in this fight the upset was because of the weight as his body can't take that and so his performance are affected.

That was just an excuse in my opinion. Although he was the favorite to win, it's very clear how Lopez dominated him. Lopez was the stronger fighter in that match. Instead of making excuses, he should accept his losses and consider moving up if he struggles with his weight. He should also give credit to Lopez for performing well.

Nonito is different, though. He doesn't make excuses and continues to fight despite having lost many fights already.

I think Josh Taylor has accepted his defeat already, perhaps he is just giving us what really happen to the fight and why he lost. Unless he is man up enough to accept his defeat. As compare to the Lopez's when Kambosos beat Teo, up to this day they still think that they have won that fight.

And if Donaire losses this fight, then we might attribute it to his age. But if he wins, then we can say that he can still fight at high level and welcoming all challenges for his belt. So it's going to be the same, there are reasons, why boxers think they losses a fight.

[Viscore]

If we are talking about upset yes it does happen, but if you compare it to Lopez vs Taylor, it's very different. As Taylor admitted after fight that he has issues making the 140 lbs. So in this fight the upset was because of the weight as his body can't take that and so his performance are affected.

That was just an excuse in my opinion. Although he was the favorite to win, it's very clear how Lopez dominated him. Lopez was the stronger fighter in that match. Instead of making excuses, he should accept his losses and consider moving up if he struggles with his weight. He should also give credit to Lopez for performing well.

Nonito is different, though. He doesn't make excuses and continues to fight despite having lost many fights already.

I think Josh Taylor has accepted his defeat already, perhaps he is just giving us what really happen to the fight and why he lost. Unless he is man up enough to accept his defeat. As compare to the Lopez's when Kambosos beat Teo, up to this day they still think that they have won that fight.

And if Donaire losses this fight, then we might attribute it to his age. But if he wins, then we can say that he can still fight at high level and welcoming all challenges for his belt. So it's going to be the same, there are reasons, why boxers think they losses a fight.

The kind of excuse Nonito might give in case he loses is expected and somewhat acceptable, considering that it's already a bonus in his career that he is still fighting at his age. However, we all know that Donaire is not fond of making excuses. So, if he were to lose, he might just hang up his gloves and retire from the sport.

[Yamifoud]

The kind of excuse Nonito might give in case he loses is expected and somewhat acceptable, considering that it's already a bonus in his career that he is still fighting at his age. However, we all know that Donaire is not fond of making excuses. So, if he were to lose, he might just hang up his gloves and retire from the sport.

The public would indeed understand and, in fact, it wouldn't be surprising if they commend his courage for continuing to fight even in his 40s. His career is far from over, especially if he chooses to compete in divisions where he feels most comfortable. There is a significant possibility that he will continue to dominate in those divisions.

If he eventually decides to retire, I am confident that he will feel fulfilled based on his records and achievements.

Donaire is a four-weight-division world champion

[Pamadar]

Donaire still winning here from my own take, Santiago's capability is not the same or far from how Inoue dominated
this division.

There's a significant gap between Inoue and Santiago. Inoue has held the championship in the division for quite some time, while Santiago is currently just a contender. In fact, both Donaire and Santiago are contenders fighting for the vacant belt that Inoue left behind. It's undeniable that Inoue stands out in the discussion because there hasn't been a fighter who comes close to his skills, except perhaps for Casimero.

Yeah as he fought Donaire during his prime while Doniare in the first match was at rest for a long time.

Then in the rematch we all witness that age already against Donaire, his speed is no longer the same and that wrong decision
to go for a toe-to-toe confrontation with Inoue, something that led him to kiss the ring in the early round.

Though, against Santiago which far different from Inoue, we might see Donaire to excel he might be aging but still have that
skills and capabilities to match up with the young contender.

[Jating]

Donaire still winning here from my own take, Santiago's capability is not the same or far from how Inoue dominated
this division.

There's a significant gap between Inoue and Santiago. Inoue has held the championship in the division for quite some time, while Santiago is currently just a contender. In fact, both Donaire and Santiago are contenders fighting for the vacant belt that Inoue left behind. It's undeniable that Inoue stands out in the discussion because there hasn't been a fighter who comes close to his skills, except perhaps for Casimero.

Yeah as he fought Donaire during his prime while Doniare in the first match was at rest for a long time.

Then in the rematch we all witness that age already against Donaire, his speed is no longer the same and that wrong decision
to go for a toe-to-toe confrontation with Inoue, something that led him to kiss the ring in the early round.

The speed and power is still there and even his timing, it's that Inoue was too great and knows what Donaire can bring in the table and he is ready for that.

Though, against Santiago which far different from Inoue, we might see Donaire to excel he might be aging but still have that
skills and capabilities to match up with the young contender.

That's why others think that Santiago has a good chance as Donaire might be a damage goods at 40 years old. But we can't say that for now, unless in the fight he shows his age, like his speed and power is no longer there. And then brutally getting knockout. If that happens then maybe it's time for him to retire and hang up his gloves for good.

[Viscore]

That's why others think that Santiago has a good chance as Donaire might be a damage goods at 40 years old. But we can't say that for now, unless in the fight he shows his age, like his speed and power is no longer there. And then brutally getting knockout. If that happens then maybe it's time for him to retire and hang up his gloves for good.

Donaire certainly knows what he is doing. The only fighter who managed to defeat him in the bantamweight division was Inoue. Interestingly, even after their first fight, Donaire continued to compete against younger boxers and successfully won the belt. Therefore, it is reasonable to expect that Donaire will bring the same level of skill and determination to his upcoming fight. We might even witness his signature knockout against a lesser-known boxer.

You guys aren't confident betting on Donaire to win by KO?