[Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight (july15,2023

[mirakal]

And while waiting for this fight, I just look at Alejandro highlights here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdy1wY9qznE

So what do you think guys, does he have a chance against Nonito? Good fundamentals I must say and he has a decent power and speed. But we all know that Donaire has boxing IQ, he reads his opponent in the first couple of rounds and once he got the feel of it, he might take over the fight. And I guess this is the best thing we can do know, look for highlights first and see if Alejandro can withstand the left hook of Donaire.

Looking pretty good and just like what you said from that video, his fundamentals and the power may equal Donaire in terms of
skills and flexibility, but experienced wise, the advantage will remain the same.

Donaire will take his time to observe his opponent and will try to absorb the punching strength of his opponent, then will start to adjust with what strategy to work on in winning the fight.

Unless Santiago will surprise him and take the early attack with everything he got, that might work if the timing of speed and powerful combinations
Lands on Donaire and knocks him down. Still early to conclude, though, much better to see them fighting inside the ring.

All these talks and both camps in preparation, still there's no solid update regarding about this fight.

I seriously hope that Donaire will do something because for what it's worth, his time to retire and hang his gloves is getting near and near each time that passes by. He surely doesn't want to do that without taking a chance to be a champion once again and to have at least a nice exit before that time comes but by the looks of it now, it seems that this fight is in vain because of the Probellum's current problems.

[carlisle1]

And while waiting for this fight, I just look at Alejandro highlights here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdy1wY9qznE

So what do you think guys, does he have a chance against Nonito? Good fundamentals I must say and he has a decent power and speed. But we all know that Donaire has boxing IQ, he reads his opponent in the first couple of rounds and once he got the feel of it, he might take over the fight. And I guess this is the best thing we can do know, look for highlights first and see if Alejandro can withstand the left hook of Donaire.

Looking pretty good and just like what you said from that video, his fundamentals and the power may equal Donaire in terms of
skills and flexibility, but experienced wise, the advantage will remain the same.

Donaire will take his time to observe his opponent and will try to absorb the punching strength of his opponent, then will start to adjust with what strategy to work on in winning the fight.

Unless Santiago will surprise him and take the early attack with everything he got, that might work if the timing of speed and powerful combinations
Lands on Donaire and knocks him down. Still early to conclude, though, much better to see them fighting inside the ring.

All these talks and both camps in preparation, still there's no solid update regarding about this fight.

I seriously hope that Donaire will do something because for what it's worth, his time to retire and hang his gloves is getting near and near each time that passes by. He surely doesn't want to do that without taking a chance to be a champion once again and to have at least a nice exit before that time comes but by the looks of it now, it seems that this fight is in vain because of the Probellum's current problems.

He and his camps' needs to work it out regarding to this particular negotiation. As you mentioned, his time might be limited as he's already
aging and he might be close to retiring his gloves.

No update yet. Fans still stuck to every speculation about how this fight may take place, preparations and conditioning might be ongoing, but the
finalization of the date when the fight will take place, there's still nothing that we can find all around the internet.

[Sanitough]

No update yet. Fans still stuck to every speculation about how this fight may take place, preparations and conditioning might be ongoing, but the
finalization of the date when the fight will take place, there's still nothing that we can find all around the internet.

Fans will be disappointed if we don't see a fight involving Donaire this year. Several fighters have already secured championship fights, and I don't want to see Donaire left behind, as he still has the potential to win a championship and possibly become an undisputed champion. According to reports, the fight has already been approved, so now we are simply waiting for information regarding the date and venue. We just need to be patient. If it doesn't happen in the first half of the year, we will likely see it in the second half.

[Kemarit]

No update yet. Fans still stuck to every speculation about how this fight may take place, preparations and conditioning might be ongoing, but the
finalization of the date when the fight will take place, there's still nothing that we can find all around the internet.

Fans will be disappointed if we don't see a fight involving Donaire this year. Several fighters have already secured championship fights, and I don't want to see Donaire left behind, as he still has the potential to win a championship and possibly become an undisputed champion. According to reports, the fight has already been approved, so now we are simply waiting for information regarding the date and venue. We just need to be patient. If it doesn't happen in the first half of the year, we will likely see it in the second half.

We already see one belt that was vacated by Inoue, and that is the WBO belt winning against a Filipino in Vincent Astrolabio.

And so we need to see this one, I think of all the belts, I see as WBC have more weight as compare to the rest of the organization. So with that, they really need to have a champion right now and this fight has been mandated since the start of the year around February and up to now, we don't know the status if this is a go between the two or we will see some boxer as the likely opponent of Donaire and not Santiago.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Well, in that part you have a complete reason, I saw that fight with the full intention that Pacquiao could give one of those explosive Demonstrations to which we were Accustomed, but I don't know what happened to the Filipino, maybe at that moment it was not thinking more in politics than in anything else, that fight was really a shame, I'm sure that if Pacquiao had Trained a little harder he would have won the fight easily, there are times when athletes trust only their talent and don't train or not they work to improve and be more efficient, and things like that happen.

He mentioned that he was having problems with his foot after the fight, which affected his movement. Pacquiao is known for his quickness, but he wasn't as quick when he fought Ugas, so it's clear that he was telling the truth. However, upsets can happen in boxing, so we can't discount the possibility that Donaire could lose for any number of reasons.

Yes, is that Pacquiao shouldn't have fought like that, also at that moment Ugas could beat him, and then when Pacquiao lost to him, the frustration of feeling that age was not helping him, that there is much more competition, that he gave up winning from a boxer who was not so Famous,that partly makes a boxer say or say himself that he is no longer the same as before,and that Influenced him to retire, it is not necessary to do an interview to see what It actually went through his head in his thoughts, more or less I think that would be what he concluded, and it is easier to do ezexhibition fights.

Apart from the foot problems that he was facing, at that time, Manny Pacquiao was already busy on his schedule as in the same time, he was also campaigning for the presidential seat in the Philippines which gave him a fewer time to prepare against Ugas instead having a long-break to only focus on his preparations towards his incoming fight.

Which did not really him a lot towards in the day of the fight because Yordenis Ugas successfully upset the Filipino champ and took the WBA Super World belt with him.

If for me these things that happened to Pacquiao were unfortunate, as far as I'm concerned I think that was what demotivated him and made him leave boxing, the good thing is that at least he's in exhibition fights, and I don't know if I won a lot or a little now, but it's good to see him in the boxing rings and to be able to enjoy him, it's one of the things that can be done, with the UGAS thing I didn't see him as active as he should be, on the contrary, I saw that he was slow, that he was not as active as his fights are, his speed, the forcefulness of his blows, I did not see all of that in that fight, many of us lost that bet with him.

[btc_angela]

No update yet. Fans still stuck to every speculation about how this fight may take place, preparations and conditioning might be ongoing, but the
finalization of the date when the fight will take place, there's still nothing that we can find all around the internet.

Fans will be disappointed if we don't see a fight involving Donaire this year. Several fighters have already secured championship fights, and I don't want to see Donaire left behind, as he still has the potential to win a championship and possibly become an undisputed champion. According to reports, the fight has already been approved, so now we are simply waiting for information regarding the date and venue. We just need to be patient. If it doesn't happen in the first half of the year, we will likely see it in the second half.

I agree, if less known fighters can get the belt in 118 lbs, why not Donaire for this year? Who's stalling this fight, if WBC has mandated it, then by now they fight could have happen much earlier than WBO.

Now we have the WBO champion in Moloney now and other bodies have scheduled their fight as well.

I'm seeing that if this fight is not going to be made, then maybe we will not see this happening this year and it might be too late for Donaire, in my opinion. Just a year added to Donaire's age might be huge.

[bisdak40]

I'm seeing that if this fight is not going to be made, then maybe we will not see this happening this year and it might be too late for Donaire, in my opinion. Just a year added to Donaire's age might be huge.

Just saw a newsfeed in my social media account stating that a trainer of a gym in Cebu City is helping Donaire train for his upcoming fights, so i think that Donaire will be fighting this year but what caught my attention on that news (though not official) is that Donaire will be fighting Alexandro Barrios and not Alejandro Santiago whom we are speculating that the Filipino Flash will be fighting, that maybe the reason on the delay of the fight of Donaire as WBC might be shopping for his new opponent.
 

Doc J is helping Nonito Donaire Jr. prepare for his upcoming WBC bantamweight championship fight against Alexandro Barrios

[Maslate]

I'm seeing that if this fight is not going to be made, then maybe we will not see this happening this year and it might be too late for Donaire, in my opinion. Just a year added to Donaire's age might be huge.

Just saw a newsfeed in my social media account stating that a trainer of a gym in Cebu City is helping Donaire train for his upcoming fights, so i think that Donaire will be fighting this year but what caught my attention on that news (though not official) is that Donaire will be fighting Alexandro Barrios and not Alejandro Santiago whom we are speculating that the Filipino Flash will be fighting, that maybe the reason on the delay of the fight of Donaire as WBC might be shopping for his new opponent.
 

Doc J is helping Nonito Donaire Jr. prepare for his upcoming WBC bantamweight championship fight against Alexandro Barrios

That's great news! It adds some hope to the possibility of Donaire being able to fight this year. Regardless of who his opponent is, what's important is that he will have the opportunity to fight. We know he is not getting any younger, and if he successfully wins a championship, I believe Donaire will become more aggressive in challenging other champions to become a unified champion. The only boxer who has defeated him in this division has already moved up, so there's no one to hinder his path. However, as I mentioned, he needs to act quickly.

[Pamadar]

I'm seeing that if this fight is not going to be made, then maybe we will not see this happening this year and it might be too late for Donaire, in my opinion. Just a year added to Donaire's age might be huge.

Just saw a newsfeed in my social media account stating that a trainer of a gym in Cebu City is helping Donaire train for his upcoming fights, so i think that Donaire will be fighting this year but what caught my attention on that news (though not official) is that Donaire will be fighting Alexandro Barrios and not Alejandro Santiago whom we are speculating that the Filipino Flash will be fighting, that maybe the reason on the delay of the fight of Donaire as WBC might be shopping for his new opponent.
 

Doc J is helping Nonito Donaire Jr. prepare for his upcoming WBC bantamweight championship fight against Alexandro Barrios

That's great news! It adds some hope to the possibility of Donaire being able to fight this year. Regardless of who his opponent is, what's important is that he will have the opportunity to fight. We know he is not getting any younger, and if he successfully wins a championship, I believe Donaire will become more aggressive in challenging other champions to become a unified champion. The only boxer who has defeated him in this division has already moved up, so there's no one to hinder his path. However, as I mentioned, he needs to act quickly.

Yeah, It's better to know that he's preparing now, and that's simply saying that the fight will happen.

Let's see if there's any available update in coming days or months after seeing that Donaire is starting his conditioning training and we will going to find out if who will be the opponent between Barrios and Santiago as the OP's title might be change if the confirmation will be against Barrios and for sure Donaire will bring something to this fight to continue entertaining his fans and all those people who are hoping for him to bring the belt back.

[Shamm]

I'm seeing that if this fight is not going to be made, then maybe we will not see this happening this year and it might be too late for Donaire, in my opinion. Just a year added to Donaire's age might be huge.

Just saw a newsfeed in my social media account stating that a trainer of a gym in Cebu City is helping Donaire train for his upcoming fights, so i think that Donaire will be fighting this year but what caught my attention on that news (though not official) is that Donaire will be fighting Alexandro Barrios and not Alejandro Santiago whom we are speculating that the Filipino Flash will be fighting, that maybe the reason on the delay of the fight of Donaire as WBC might be shopping for his new opponent.
 

Doc J is helping Nonito Donaire Jr. prepare for his upcoming WBC bantamweight championship fight against Alexandro Barrios

That's great news! It adds some hope to the possibility of Donaire being able to fight this year. Regardless of who his opponent is, what's important is that he will have the opportunity to fight. We know he is not getting any younger, and if he successfully wins a championship, I believe Donaire will become more aggressive in challenging other champions to become a unified champion. The only boxer who has defeated him in this division has already moved up, so there's no one to hinder his path. However, as I mentioned, he needs to act quickly.

Yeah, It's better to know that he's preparing now, and that's simply saying that the fight will happen.

Let's see if there's any available update in coming days or months after seeing that Donaire is starting his conditioning training and we will going to find out if who will be the opponent between Barrios and Santiago as the OP's title might be change if the confirmation will be against Barrios and for sure Donaire will bring something to this fight to continue entertaining his fans and all those people who are hoping for him to bring the belt back.

Whoever player that fight against the veteran Nonito Donaire Then I still support my fellow countrymen and we are all known that donaire is one of the veteran boxers in the world of boxing. He is a champ. And we will prove us his upcoming fight Fight that age doesn't matter even though he is old but still he can fight younger opponent he can still win the fight because his experience will speak that Old but the moves and technique is like he is still in young age.

[Vaculin]

I'm seeing that if this fight is not going to be made, then maybe we will not see this happening this year and it might be too late for Donaire, in my opinion. Just a year added to Donaire's age might be huge.

Just saw a newsfeed in my social media account stating that a trainer of a gym in Cebu City is helping Donaire train for his upcoming fights, so i think that Donaire will be fighting this year but what caught my attention on that news (though not official) is that Donaire will be fighting Alexandro Barrios and not Alejandro Santiago whom we are speculating that the Filipino Flash will be fighting, that maybe the reason on the delay of the fight of Donaire as WBC might be shopping for his new opponent.
 

Doc J is helping Nonito Donaire Jr. prepare for his upcoming WBC bantamweight championship fight against Alexandro Barrios

That's great news! It adds some hope to the possibility of Donaire being able to fight this year. Regardless of who his opponent is, what's important is that he will have the opportunity to fight. We know he is not getting any younger, and if he successfully wins a championship, I believe Donaire will become more aggressive in challenging other champions to become a unified champion. The only boxer who has defeated him in this division has already moved up, so there's no one to hinder his path. However, as I mentioned, he needs to act quickly.

Yeah, It's better to know that he's preparing now, and that's simply saying that the fight will happen.

Let's see if there's any available update in coming days or months after seeing that Donaire is starting his conditioning training and we will going to find out if who will be the opponent between Barrios and Santiago as the OP's title might be change if the confirmation will be against Barrios and for sure Donaire will bring something to this fight to continue entertaining his fans and all those people who are hoping for him to bring the belt back.

Well, at least, we now have some better news after a long drought of having no updates. I personally agree that it doesn't matter anymore who will he fight this year as long as it will produce him a fight that is connected to the vacant WBC belt, whoever he is, I know that Donaire still got the upper hand because looking at the bantamweight right now, I think Moloney will be his biggest foe as the likes of Casimero and Inoue have already left the division.

[Jating]

I'm seeing that if this fight is not going to be made, then maybe we will not see this happening this year and it might be too late for Donaire, in my opinion. Just a year added to Donaire's age might be huge.

Just saw a newsfeed in my social media account stating that a trainer of a gym in Cebu City is helping Donaire train for his upcoming fights, so i think that Donaire will be fighting this year but what caught my attention on that news (though not official) is that Donaire will be fighting Alexandro Barrios and not Alejandro Santiago whom we are speculating that the Filipino Flash will be fighting, that maybe the reason on the delay of the fight of Donaire as WBC might be shopping for his new opponent.
 

Doc J is helping Nonito Donaire Jr. prepare for his upcoming WBC bantamweight championship fight against Alexandro Barrios

Thanks for this news, at least this could be the reason why the fight is stalling at this point, maybe Santiago pull out of the fight and so the WBC will have to look for someone to replace him.

So Donaire is still in Philippines? that's good to know, at least he is going back to his grassroots and most likely training some upcoming fighters or giving them motivation.

Now sure who Doc J, is he something famous in the Philippines? I will have to research more about this guy.

[Questat]

Now sure who Doc J, is he something famous in the Philippines? I will have to research more about this guy.

I'm not sure who this person is either. When searching on Google, "Julius Erving" appears, so it's possible that the person you're referring to might not be widely known. However, someone who is active in the Philippine boxing community on social media, like @bisdak40, might have more information about this individual.

[bisdak40]

Now sure who Doc J, is he something famous in the Philippines? I will have to research more about this guy.

I'm not sure who this person is either. When searching on Google, "Julius Erving" appears, so it's possible that the person you're referring to might not be widely known. However, someone who is active in the Philippine boxing community on social media, like @bisdak40, might have more information about this individual.

Lol, Doc J is just an ordinary person here in Cebu City and he is a trainer in the Omega Gym but maybe he is also a doctor by profession (not sure though).

I did some research guys on who is this Alexandro Barrios is and it turns out that Alejandro Santiago and Alexandro Barrios is just one person hehe, his full name is "Agustín Alexandro Santiago Barrios" so there no change in opponent for Donaire guys, maybe they are just waiting for something but the good thing is that Donaire is keeping himself in shape even though the schedule is not definite yet.

[btc_angela]

I'm seeing that if this fight is not going to be made, then maybe we will not see this happening this year and it might be too late for Donaire, in my opinion. Just a year added to Donaire's age might be huge.

Just saw a newsfeed in my social media account stating that a trainer of a gym in Cebu City is helping Donaire train for his upcoming fights, so i think that Donaire will be fighting this year but what caught my attention on that news (though not official) is that Donaire will be fighting Alexandro Barrios and not Alejandro Santiago whom we are speculating that the Filipino Flash will be fighting, that maybe the reason on the delay of the fight of Donaire as WBC might be shopping for his new opponent.
 

Doc J is helping Nonito Donaire Jr. prepare for his upcoming WBC bantamweight championship fight against Alexandro Barrios

Oh that's good news for us. Finally a sigh of relief for us because we haven't heard any thing from Donaire's camp regarding this world title bid again. And it is said that the fight will happen in July, so let's wait and see.

Barrios is rank number 4 in their rankings, so yeah, it make sense that the WBC will order this fight.

But if I'm not mistaken, they also ordered Reymart Gaballo  vs Nawaphon Sor. Rungvisai  and the winner fighting the winner of Donaire and Barrios.

And so there is no change of opponents, I also thought that this is a new one for Donaire, but it takes out to be some misunderstanding with the name.

[Botnake]

Now sure who Doc J, is he something famous in the Philippines? I will have to research more about this guy.

I'm not sure who this person is either. When searching on Google, "Julius Erving" appears, so it's possible that the person you're referring to might not be widely known. However, someone who is active in the Philippine boxing community on social media, like @bisdak40, might have more information about this individual.

Lol, Doc J is just an ordinary person here in Cebu City and he is a trainer in the Omega Gym but maybe he is also a doctor by profession (not sure though).

I did some research guys on who is this Alexandro Barrios is and it turns out that Alejandro Santiago and Alexandro Barrios is just one person hehe, his full name is "Agustín Alexandro Santiago Barrios" so there no change in opponent for Donaire guys, maybe they are just waiting for something but the good thing is that Donaire is keeping himself in shape even though the schedule is not definite yet.

He needs to stay in shape all the time because he is not getting any younger, so he requires more training than a younger fighter. Alejandro Santiago is still young at 27 years old, so we can expect that he has the advantage if this fight reaches 12 rounds. And since this is a championship fight, it will likely be held in the USA. Therefore, Inoue will also have to train in the USA, as the climate is different from that of the Philippines.

[Kemarit]

Now sure who Doc J, is he something famous in the Philippines? I will have to research more about this guy.

I'm not sure who this person is either. When searching on Google, "Julius Erving" appears, so it's possible that the person you're referring to might not be widely known. However, someone who is active in the Philippine boxing community on social media, like @bisdak40, might have more information about this individual.

Lol, Doc J is just an ordinary person here in Cebu City and he is a trainer in the Omega Gym but maybe he is also a doctor by profession (not sure though).

I did some research guys on who is this Alexandro Barrios is and it turns out that Alejandro Santiago and Alexandro Barrios is just one person hehe, his full name is "Agustín Alexandro Santiago Barrios" so there no change in opponent for Donaire guys, maybe they are just waiting for something but the good thing is that Donaire is keeping himself in shape even though the schedule is not definite yet.

OK, it's clear now, so it's just the same person, I also confused about it because I can't find that name in Boxrec or even in the rankings of WBC. LOL, I thought too that it was Julius Erving the basketball legend. But perhaps he is just local in Cebu and could have been a good doctor/trainer for Donaire while he was in the Philippines to keep his body stay in shape since the fight might happen in the next quarter of the year.

So again, still a waiting game for us, someone mentions July? Hopefully that will be the date that we can finally see this fight so that we will have a chance to see Donaire being a champion again.

[Pamadar]

Well, at least, we now have some better news after a long drought of having no updates. I personally agree that it doesn't matter anymore who will he fight this year as long as it will produce him a fight that is connected to the vacant WBC belt, whoever he is, I know that Donaire still got the upper hand because looking at the bantamweight right now, I think Moloney will be his biggest foe as the likes of Casimero and Inoue have already left the division.

In terms of advantage, I agree that Donaire still has the upper hand,

He's still the favorite to win and earn the belt back, but knowing this sport and how the outcome may be, upset can happen if the opponent will train hard and will prepare the right way while waiting for the date of the fight, though both camps still have the time and maybe the negotiations are now ongoing as Donaire is preparing to make sure that his body still in good condition before the fight night.

[freedomgo]

Now sure who Doc J, is he something famous in the Philippines? I will have to research more about this guy.

I'm not sure who this person is either. When searching on Google, "Julius Erving" appears, so it's possible that the person you're referring to might not be widely known. However, someone who is active in the Philippine boxing community on social media, like @bisdak40, might have more information about this individual.

Lol, Doc J is just an ordinary person here in Cebu City and he is a trainer in the Omega Gym but maybe he is also a doctor by profession (not sure though).

I did some research guys on who is this Alexandro Barrios is and it turns out that Alejandro Santiago and Alexandro Barrios is just one person hehe, his full name is "Agustín Alexandro Santiago Barrios" so there no change in opponent for Donaire guys, maybe they are just waiting for something but the good thing is that Donaire is keeping himself in shape even though the schedule is not definite yet.

It's just weird because I honestly thought that Doc J is somehow famous in the Philippines because why would he be in a headline for helping Donaire if he's just a nobody. Curious enough to know who he is, I looked him up and there is nothing that is connected to a Doctor J in Ph.

Anyway, thanks for clarifying the situation for us @bisdak. If not because of you, we will have plenty of questions that will remain unanswered and funny enough, we will expect that this Alexandro Barrios is the new opponent when in-fact we are just talking for the same person.

[LUCKMCFLY]

So they really be pushing for this, as we have been discussing, age is a big factor for Nonito. Admit it or not, he is aging and at 40 years olds, should not be fighter anymore because their could be health concerns in the future.

Yup, at his age there are many possible complications, which he needed to consider,

Though I can also see that it's more about the passion that he wanted to pursue, having the belt back plus the consideration that
he will earn decently as he's on the A-side and possible to have bigger cut with the possible profits.

We will just wait for any updates and any announcement that will be provided by either from both camps or from the
promoters to start promoting the possible date of these upcoming fights.

Apparently, up until now, both camps are still on the talks to make this fight in reality.

I don't know what is up but there should be no hurdles along the way because this fight is not that big and Nonito Donaire is just picking boxers down the line because the higher ups are already having their own respective fights in other vacated belts.

It seems to me the Santiago is buying some time because he knows that the more he can buy some time, the more his chances to upset the favorite. I mean, we cannot blame these boxers to take an easier path because becoming a champion really got some perks.

It that is the case, and then WBC should go and get the next high rank boxers in their organization to face Nonito for the vacate belt. No need to stall this fight in his part, he will have equal chances to win the vacated belt so it doesn't make sense for him and his camp to act like that.

And on the contrary, it will be a honor for Santiago to face the legendary Nonito for the title.

It's like 3 months already, taking this long as I have said might have a negative effect on Donaire.

That confrontation doesn't seem bad to me, I don't know if it's my perception or I'm too paranoid, but I see that maybe they don't want to give Donaire opponents, I don't know, but it could be because of his age or because maybe they already did the marketing study and They realized that with Donaire they won't raise as much money and they don't know how to delay everything, that may be happening, and taking into consideration that now boxing has become pure money and little sport is very likely, of course this is my speculation , it may be that I am wrong, but it could be that something like this was happening.