Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw

[Chato1977]

Have seen this many times before and the most famous one is 1xbit scam that have been letting their players deposit , play and lose  but once that player won and need to withdraw? automatically banned that players and will accused of cheating 

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[panjul07]

If sites require KYC at the time of initial account registration, users will consider it a hassle and avoid using the site, which is why a strategy of casino sites is to not require any KYC during registration and offer a small limit without any KYC initially.  to deposit  Then if they are attracted to that site and want to deposit a large amount or luckily gamble with that small amount to win something big then those sites demand kyc.  For this, before registering any site, you must be aware of all the conditions of that site.

It is depending on the users, some users are fine with upfront KYC (before deposit) and some are not.
Some users are even prefering to have upfront KYC than do it later on withdraw especially if KYC is a must to withdraw any amount.
I was someone who against KYC years ago but I can accept it now because it becomes common thing now due to regulation or license.
In general, players should be ready for KYC these days regardless it is upfront or later because it is the same actually, just a matter of time.

[uchegod-21]

I agree, it is dumb for a casino not to KYC a player before they sign up, because they could deposit their own money/receive a tip, and try to withdraw but that money is just gone. Makes me think some casinos are thieves, such as roobet. Happened to me, but I ended up just KYCing, but for people who don’t have it available, they just have frozen money.

Really disappointing but these days, we have to prepare for that as they will be able to ask you KYC anytime. That is why it is better to choose a legit and reputable site so if they ask for that we don't bother and worry about complying with it knowing that they will keep it and not use it for other purposes.
Nowadays, it is an urge by the government as well for casinos to do that in order to avoid fraud and other illegal transactions, we have to admit that it was a drill for them otherwise, the government will stop their operation. We have to admit that our privacy is soon to be over, we can't hide anymore.

Indeed. Regulated casinos will sooner or later ask their customers to verify their identity to continue playing or to be able to withdraw, and this is not new anymore. So expect such thing will happen if you're playing in centralized casinos. Therefore, much better to KYC first before making your first deposit to make sure you're already verified because who knows you might end up winning a decent amount. But be sure you are dealing with a reputable casinos. Anyway, it is still our choice if we don't want to submit our private information because we are free to look for alternative.

Casinos need deposits for them to continue to run. Any casino where withdrawal exceeds deposits, it means winding up. So, you hardly see any casino that rejects deposits for any reason. They will gladly accept the money, by then you will be willing to abide by any instructions in order to have the money back.

This is why it is also advisable to first complete KYC before you make deposit. Sometimes, people procrastinates KYC untill they are caught in the web. However, we know that there are also bad players among casinos who are there to still at any given opportunity.

[coinerer]

If sites require KYC at the time of initial account registration, users will consider it a hassle and avoid using the site, which is why a strategy of casino sites is to not require any KYC during registration and offer a small limit without any KYC initially.  to deposit  Then if they are attracted to that site and want to deposit a large amount or luckily gamble with that small amount to win something big then those sites demand kyc.  For this, before registering any site, you must be aware of all the conditions of that site.

It is depending on the users, some users are fine with upfront KYC (before deposit) and some are not.
Some users are even prefering to have upfront KYC than do it later on withdraw especially if KYC is a must to withdraw any amount.
I was someone who against KYC years ago but I can accept it now because it becomes common thing now due to regulation or license.
In general, players should be ready for KYC these days regardless it is upfront or later because it is the same actually, just a matter of time.

Different users are willing to accept different things and many are not willing to accept many things.  Everyone tries to be careful especially with the kyc document because no one wants to submit their personal document to any casino site.  Due to which upfront kyc is not preferred by most users.  But when someone is a big winning then kyc issue is not a big problem for him.  And this is why casino sites avoid upfront kyc and when someone is going to withdraw a big fund they demand kyc because they know that everyone has to do kyc at that time. And then everyone happily did kyc

[rozak]

Have seen this many times before and the most famous one is 1xbit scam that have been letting their players deposit , play and lose  but once that player won and need to withdraw? automatically banned that players and will accused of cheating 

The casino scam case has been going on for quite a long time. and from the start we were warned, especially for forum members. Their campaign promotion on the forum also seems to have finished. I thought the site had been closed, or maybe it was still running.

but in the case of requesting KYC verification before withdrawing a certain amount does not only happen in scam casinos.
because casinos have their procedures, if your account has suspicious activity, of course, they will ask for KYC verification. especially in large withdrawal amounts. I know some gamblers think this is unfair, but we have to read the conditions at the casino when we play there. maybe we missed something.

[xbtx]

if KYC is needed, it should be requested as soon as people register. Asking for KYC only when people have funds stuck is a douchebag move, and any company that does this will lose me as a client.

[Z_MBFM]

If sites require KYC at the time of initial account registration, users will consider it a hassle and avoid using the site, which is why a strategy of casino sites is to not require any KYC during registration and offer a small limit without any KYC initially.  to deposit  Then if they are attracted to that site and want to deposit a large amount or luckily gamble with that small amount to win something big then those sites demand kyc.  For this, before registering any site, you must be aware of all the conditions of that site.

It is depending on the users, some users are fine with upfront KYC (before deposit) and some are not.
Some users are even prefering to have upfront KYC than do it later on withdraw especially if KYC is a must to withdraw any amount.
I was someone who against KYC years ago but I can accept it now because it becomes common thing now due to regulation or license.
In general, players should be ready for KYC these days regardless it is upfront or later because it is the same actually, just a matter of time.

Different users are willing to accept different things and many are not willing to accept many things.  Everyone tries to be careful especially with the kyc document because no one wants to submit their personal document to any casino site.  Due to which upfront kyc is not preferred by most users.  But when someone is a big winning then kyc issue is not a big problem for him.  And this is why casino sites avoid upfront kyc and when someone is going to withdraw a big fund they demand kyc because they know that everyone has to do kyc at that time. And then everyone happily did kyc

If a casino site requires upfront kyc then you wouldn’t open an account there yourself and avoid gambling there. and every casino site uses their own strategy to attract gamblers, so of course no site wants someone to avoid their site, so most sites refrain from asking for upfront kyc. But they always mention kyc in their rules and regulations because if they don't mention this they won't get legal license for their site. and you also have to gamble on any site with the understanding that if you want to withdraw a large amount from there then you must submit kyc.

[Odusko]

Have seen this many times before and the most famous one is 1xbit scam that have been letting their players deposit , play and lose  but once that player won and need to withdraw? automatically banned that players and will accused of cheating 

Well, such attitude will only come from scam casinos because of a site bans you automatically without following the rules and if you have not violated any of their rules, blocking a player's account when he wins a big amount is a typical fraud attempt, and also we have to avoid such casinos with all possibilities, most times what those casino use to trap the victims is high bonuses, and that also the basis at which your account gets blocked, if one is gullible you always fall into their trap, one of such casino is 1xbit who has been a known scam with many of such cases against them without any attempts to address them.

[fapar]

if KYC is needed, it should be requested as soon as people register. Asking for KYC only when people have funds stuck is a douchebag move, and any company that does this will lose me as a client.

I am sure that 90% of existing online casinos will do exactly this (except for the conditionally top 10). We believe that every client is important for a casino, but in fact they have a huge turnover of newboo players and they all generate income. 1 regular player can be equal to 10 new players, for example, in terms of the benefit received by the casino, but already 15 new players are more interesting than a regular player. Besides, what can you do to a casino? Most often, the “hanging” win will be less than the cost of the legal costs of trying to get this win.

[Hamphser]

I agree, it is dumb for a casino not to KYC a player before they sign up, because they could deposit their own money/receive a tip, and try to withdraw but that money is just gone. Makes me think some casinos are thieves, such as roobet. Happened to me, but I ended up just KYCing, but for people who don’t have it available, they just have frozen money.

Really disappointing but these days, we have to prepare for that as they will be able to ask you KYC anytime. That is why it is better to choose a legit and reputable site so if they ask for that we don't bother and worry about complying with it knowing that they will keep it and not use it for other purposes.
Nowadays, it is an urge by the government as well for casinos to do that in order to avoid fraud and other illegal transactions, we have to admit that it was a drill for them otherwise, the government will stop their operation. We have to admit that our privacy is soon to be over, we can't hide anymore.

Indeed. Regulated casinos will sooner or later ask their customers to verify their identity to continue playing or to be able to withdraw, and this is not new anymore. So expect such thing will happen if you're playing in centralized casinos. Therefore, much better to KYC first before making your first deposit to make sure you're already verified because who knows you might end up winning a decent amount. But be sure you are dealing with a reputable casinos. Anyway, it is still our choice if we don't want to submit our private information because we are free to look for alternative.

Casinos need deposits for them to continue to run. Any casino where withdrawal exceeds deposits, it means winding up. So, you hardly see any casino that rejects deposits for any reason. They will gladly accept the money, by then you will be willing to abide by any instructions in order to have the money back.

This is why it is also advisable to first complete KYC before you make deposit. Sometimes, people procrastinates KYC untill they are caught in the web. However, we know that there are also bad players among casinos who are there to still at any given opportunity.

Would really be that impossible that casinos wont really be making those bet limitations on which they would really be needing to consider out such thing because the risks that they could only have is into those people who are really that extremely lucky on which it would be able to bring out that devastation into the bankroll on which it might lead into bankruptcy and this is something that it would really be just that normal that they would be setting out those limitations to avoid that. Any sites that cant be able to pay up those winnings specially into those gamblers who do able to make some big hits then it would really be considered
to be a scam. This is why whenever we do make out some dealings then it would really be that wise that you should really be having those considerations on checking it out whether you are dealing with a legit
and known site and not some scammy ones.

[STT]

I had an experience like this, I presented a driving license but was then told a birth certificate sent physically to be examined would be required.  Suffice to say I never got my cash back, it wasnt a large amount and I arbitraged some of it.  This site sponsored a major esports team and the entire site packed up a while later and left people without returning balances unfortunately.    Problem is some requests will be genuine but I should have known as soon as they started moving the goal posts for requirements.

[mak013]

Have seen this many times before and the most famous one is 1xbit scam that have been letting their players deposit , play and lose  but once that player won and need to withdraw? automatically banned that players and will accused of cheating 

I think that every casino has such tricks in their ToS. I`ve got return of the bet when i won with the odd about 14. It was "operator mistake". But x2 bet in that match wasn`t "a mistake".
I can`t say that when casino ask KYC - it is scam, but often the casino use to maximize their profit.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I had an experience like this, I presented a driving license but was then told a birth certificate sent physically to be examined would be required.  Suffice to say I never got my cash back, it wasnt a large amount and I arbitraged some of it.  This site sponsored a major esports team and the entire site packed up a while later and left people without returning balances unfortunately.    Problem is some requests will be genuine but I should have known as soon as they started moving the goal posts for requirements.

This is one big lesson we should learn, any business doesn't just fold up over night, there are usually signs like the one you said leading to their exit.

Something similar happened to me but it was with a crypto exchange, though not related to kyc, but related  to signs some of this platforms show before they pack up.
I was a very active user of Bkex exchange, I was already kyc verified so they had no way of asking kyc again, they used to process withdrawals very fast, no matter the amount of money one is withdrawing, but at some point, things changed, them processing even a $100 withdrawal began to take hours, when ever I reached to the customer care to know what is going on, what I usually get was "be patient" you will get your money soon.
This stretched for several months, I should have seen this as a sign and withdraw all my money from the exchange, but really didn't think much of it, after about a month going to two months, they stopped processing withdrawals, I had my $440 in there, and  that was how I lost the money, right now, they are no longer online.

So, yeah, there always signs and if only we can be attentive enough to understand the signs when they begin to show it, maybe we sometimes be quick enough to get our money out before the unexpected happens.

[cafter]

Have seen this many times before and the most famous one is 1xbit scam that have been letting their players deposit , play and lose  but once that player won and need to withdraw? automatically banned that players and will accused of cheating 

I think that every casino has such tricks in their ToS. I`ve got return of the bet when i won with the odd about 14. It was "operator mistake". But x2 bet in that match wasn`t "a mistake".
I can`t say that when casino ask KYC - it is scam, but often the casino use to maximize their profit.

Many small or new casinos which don't have enough reputation, they try this type of methods to make player lose or don't give their winnings.
There are a lot, they rejects bets like in your case, they ask for hardest KYC or don't approve your documents, site go down only on your device, etc.
so always play on reputed casinos, and if there is not mistake by you, then you can complaint on sites like askgambler, bitcointalk, etc.

[Wiwo]

I had an experience like this, I presented a driving license but was then told a birth certificate sent physically to be examined would be required.  Suffice to say I never got my cash back, it wasnt a large amount and I arbitraged some of it.  This site sponsored a major esports team and the entire site packed up a while later and left people without returning balances unfortunately.    Problem is some requests will be genuine but I should have known as soon as they started moving the goal posts for requirements.

This is one big lesson we should learn, any business doesn't just fold up over night, there are usually signs like the one you said leading to their exit.

Something similar happened to me but it was with a crypto exchange, though not related to kyc, but related  to signs some of this platforms show before they pack up.
I was a very active user of Bkex exchange, I was already kyc verified so they had no way of asking kyc again, they used to process withdrawals very fast, no matter the amount of money one is withdrawing, but at some point, things changed, them processing even a $100 withdrawal began to take hours, when ever I reached to the customer care to know what is going on, what I usually get was "be patient" you will get your money soon.
This stretched for several months, I should have seen this as a sign and withdraw all my money from the exchange, but really didn't think much of it, after about a month going to two months, they stopped processing withdrawals, I had my $440 in there, and  that was how I lost the money, right now, they are no longer online.

So, yeah, there always signs and if only we can be attentive enough to understand the signs when they begin to show it, maybe we sometimes be quick enough to get our money out before the unexpected happens.

There is truly always a sign that could be picked up as red spot for a company that is about folding up,  or exiting the business without letting the customers know exactly what happens and just as you said my friend five-star, the withdrawal processing is one of the key sign to know when a company like an exchange or any financial companies is trying to fold,  first they will delay your withdrawal for hours some times days,  without reaching out to their general customer's bases that there is a technical glitch.

Once you notice such an act,  just know that the exchange may go off any moment and you should withdraw all your funds if you ever have that chance to do so,  sorry for your loss of $440 in the exit scam exchange,  this is one ugly experience that you have to overcome and take the lesson with you as you journey along,  so for sure,  no company fold up without giving the bad sign and if you are a smart customer,  you already take out your balance on them before there will eventually fold up on you.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I had an experience like this, I presented a driving license but was then told a birth certificate sent physically to be examined would be required.  Suffice to say I never got my cash back, it wasnt a large amount and I arbitraged some of it.  This site sponsored a major esports team and the entire site packed up a while later and left people without returning balances unfortunately.    Problem is some requests will be genuine but I should have known as soon as they started moving the goal posts for requirements.

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Once you notice such an act,  just know that the exchange may go off any moment and you should withdraw all your funds if you ever have that chance to do so,  sorry for your loss of $440 in the exit scam exchange,  this is one ugly experience that you have to overcome and take the lesson with you as you journey along,  so for sure,  no company fold up without giving the bad sign and if you are a smart customer,  you already take out your balance on them before there will eventually fold up on you.

Yeah, this actually happened I think around August/September this year, I've long moved on since there is nothing I could or can do about it,  its a bitter experience for me to be honest, and each time I remember this loss, I feel haunted in my spirit, most especially if I begin to think of the many good and important things I would have done with that money, you know how our country is at the moment, $440 dollars is not a small amount most especially in the present economy of our country.

But again, what has happened has happened and since there is nothing I can do about it, moving is the most ideal thing to do, and like you said, learning from it is also very important, I've learnt from it and right now, I no longer trust any exchange to leave tangible funds there for too long, not even binance  , which have become my favorite exchange.

This experience can as well be applied to online  gambling casinos, first, it's bad to leave funds on any centralized platform which includes online gambling casinos, and it's also very important to be very conscious to any signed that could tell if the casino is in trouble of any kind, so we take appropriate action immediately.

[Findingnemo]

Have seen this many times before and the most famous one is 1xbit scam that have been letting their players deposit , play and lose  but once that player won and need to withdraw? automatically banned that players and will accused of cheating 

I think that every casino has such tricks in their ToS. I`ve got return of the bet when i won with the odd about 14. It was "operator mistake". But x2 bet in that match wasn`t "a mistake".
I can`t say that when casino ask KYC - it is scam, but often the casino use to maximize their profit.

If a casino voids such bets then they are going to lose their customer base unless it clearly a mistake from the operator related to odds. And it won't take too long for them to get caught if they are involved in tricky cheatings to avoid paying the won bets.

Casino is just a business too and there is nothing wrong with maximizing their profits as long as they are doing in the right way.

[Wiwo]

Have seen this many times before and the most famous one is 1xbit scam that have been letting their players deposit , play and lose  but once that player won and need to withdraw? automatically banned that players and will accused of cheating 

I think that every casino has such tricks in their ToS. I`ve got return of the bet when i won with the odd about 14. It was "operator mistake". But x2 bet in that match wasn`t "a mistake".
I can`t say that when casino ask KYC - it is scam, but often the casino use to maximize their profit.

If a casino voids such bets then they are going to lose their customer base unless it clearly a mistake from the operator related to odds. And it won't take too long for them to get caught if they are involved in tricky cheating to avoid paying the won bets.

Casino is just a business too and there is nothing wrong with maximizing their profits as long as they are doing it the right way.

Quit lot of local casinos in my region have been caught up in such cases,  some to the extent that the player dragged the casino to court but at the end of the day the player still did not get justice,  but just know that the casino is already known as scam casino since the void players bet or refusing to pay players for the winning and blaming it on error from either the odds calculators or providers error.

This has made such casinos avoided by many players who already have information about such standing cases against them and will do whatever it takes to avoid becoming one of such victims of their possible act.

[Quidat]

Have seen this many times before and the most famous one is 1xbit scam that have been letting their players deposit , play and lose  but once that player won and need to withdraw? automatically banned that players and will accused of cheating  

I think that every casino has such tricks in their ToS. I`ve got return of the bet when i won with the odd about 14. It was "operator mistake". But x2 bet in that match wasn`t "a mistake".
I can`t say that when casino ask KYC - it is scam, but often the casino use to maximize their profit.

If a casino voids such bets then they are going to lose their customer base unless it clearly a mistake from the operator related to odds. And it won't take too long for them to get caught if they are involved in tricky cheating to avoid paying the won bets.

Casino is just a business too and there is nothing wrong with maximizing their profits as long as they are doing it the right way.

Quit lot of local casinos in my region have been caught up in such cases,  some to the extent that the player dragged the casino to court but at the end of the day the player still did not get justice,  but just know that the casino is already known as scam casino since the void players bet or refusing to pay players for the winning and blaming it on error from either the odds calculators or providers error.

This has made such casinos avoided by many players who already have information about such standing cases against them and will do whatever it takes to avoid becoming one of such victims of their possible act.

Good thing that dealing up with physical casinos is that whenever issues do exist then you could still have the chance on fighting on whats right but of course having some legal case or approach would really be that costly and this is why it would be that ended up on having not pursued just because of those circumstances but when it comes to the odds that problems get resolved would really be that high comparing into those online casinos or gambling sites which there are even places on which its team or owner isnt even doxxed yet. So choosing up which casino platform
you would really be using will really be that just entirely be depending on your own preference and seeing if it does fit into your criteria.

[Hispo]

Have seen this many times before and the most famous one is 1xbit scam that have been letting their players deposit , play and lose  but once that player won and need to withdraw? automatically banned that players and will accused of cheating 

I think that every casino has such tricks in their ToS. I`ve got return of the bet when i won with the odd about 14. It was "operator mistake". But x2 bet in that match wasn`t "a mistake".
I can`t say that when casino ask KYC - it is scam, but often the casino use to maximize their profit.

If a casino voids such bets then they are going to lose their customer base unless it clearly a mistake from the operator related to odds. And it won't take too long for them to get caught if they are involved in tricky cheating to avoid paying the won bets.

Casino is just a business too and there is nothing wrong with maximizing their profits as long as they are doing it the right way.

Quit lot of local casinos in my region have been caught up in such cases,  some to the extent that the player dragged the casino to court but at the end of the day the player still did not get justice,  but just know that the casino is already known as scam casino since the void players bet or refusing to pay players for the winning and blaming it on error from either the odds calculators or providers error.

This has made such casinos avoided by many players who already have information about such standing cases against them and will do whatever it takes to avoid becoming one of such victims of their possible act.

Really? I would have guessed that kind of problems were more common and almost completely happening in online Casinos rather in brick-and-mortar casinos. The reasons are obvious, for shady casinos is easier to keep their scams running as the hide behind a wall of distance and anonymity. What country are you from, by the way?
Because if some casino, any physical casino, was caught in such a blatant cheating in order to increase their profits, they would not be brought into court, but someone with enough power would get out their way to take personal revenge against that business because of that wrongdoing they perceived was done to them or someone related.

I believe it is something which I have said before, but because these situations, sometimes it is better just to use provably fair games, specially when wagering significants amounts of money or rather... Significant percentages of our gambling budget.