Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw

[avp2306]

Bitcoin costs nothing. No one country allow somebody to print money. So today it costs $40.000, tomorrow - $100.000, a week later - zero. And anonymity is a fake - we regularly see how bitcoin owners are caught by police. We just too small fish for them. That`s why i don`t see any problem with KYC - if someone serious decide to catch some gambler - he can do it even without KYC.

I don't perfectly understand where you are coming from or where exactly you are driving to, but let me say that, police catching a bitcoiner has nothing to do with the bitcoiner's identity online, police come face to face with alot of people everyday, and if you give them a reason to catch you, they will, that has nothing to do with whether you submitted your kyc document to any entity who then reported to the police that you are into crypto or a gambler.

Myself is from a country where bitcoin transactions are banned, or were banned, and here  I am still doing it, buying and selling bitcoin as it pleased me, the police have never for once catch me or invited me to their station for any questioning or interrogation. I have kyced on a lot of exchanges, in fact, I always verify my identity on every crypto exchange I use, and same also it is with me on gambling casinos, this platforms (the reputable ones) will not just wake up one morning and decide to reveal your personal documents to security agencies except you have committed a crime and an investigation is being carried out.

So, as i said, you is too small fish to catch you. The difference between bitcoin criminals and common criminals is that police has not much experience catching bitcoiners. They can catch such users, but they have to make a serious effort for it. If your transactions about $100-$100.000 - it is just waste of time for police. Exchanges and casinos will share your data as the police asks. It is a huge mistake to believe in anonymity in the internet.

Yes, unless it's a minimum million dollar case, the police won't waste time investigating them.  So kyc for gambling, holding or trading with low amount should not be a fear for you.  But one fear is that many casino sites sell users' documents on the black market to perform illegal activities, so you have to be careful about this.  And for this reason, a reputable casino site should be used so that you can be safe from all aspects.  Illegal operators buy documents from users for high fees that many sites cannot afford and sell the documents to them.  So it is better to use reputable sites

We are not totally safe at all even if we choose those reputable casino since even government data is hackable so this data leaking could possible happen to those reputable casino since we don't know on how long they remain reputable since there would be fall down in their business especially if they can't adopt to the changes of their target market especially on new technology introduce on casinos.

If we know for ourselves that we are vulnerable since we are well known individual or known to have a lot of asset then I guess gambling maybe is not for us since we will be the target of possible attacks since our data's would be sellable to those criminals used other information just to take advantage on certain situation. What only thing we can do here is we need to be prepared on situation and think about next action if data leaking will happen to the site we are participating in.

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[Fivestar4everMVP]

We are not totally safe at all even if we choose those reputable casino since even government data is hackable so this data leaking could possible happen to those reputable casino since we don't know on how long they remain reputable since there would be fall down in their business especially if they can't adopt to the changes of their target market especially on new technology introduce on casinos.

If we know for ourselves that we are vulnerable since we are well known individual or known to have a lot of asset then I guess gambling maybe is not for us since we will be the target of possible attacks since our data's would be sellable to those criminals used other information just to take advantage on certain situation. What only thing we can do here is we need to be prepared on situation and think about next action if data leaking will happen to the site we are participating in.

If you ask me, I did tell you that only the dead is safe or save as long life and live in this world is concerned.
I've heard a story of a man who slept and dreamt that he died and was being buried in the dream, that morning, he woke up and said that he will be staying at home all through that day, because probably, death have set trap for him on the road, which is why he had that dream. And later on, just some few hours into the day, he was just coming outside from inside his house, a cow skull he hung on the ceiling lose and the sharp end pierced into his head, he was rushed to the village hospital but he later did not make it, he died that same day.

The above is actually a true live story, and what that teaches us is that, what ever have been destined to happen will surely happen, no matter what we do or avold, if its been destined that your personal information or document will appear in the hands of criminals, that we surely happen no matter how far you run away from casinos where kyc is must , but on the other hand, if it's destined that such will never happen to you, then kyc even with an untrusted casino, your personal data and information will surely remain safe.

So, personally, I feel that what we owe ourselves is to make sure to avoid casinos we know that is generally distrusted, we should only kyc on reputable and well trusted casinos, every other thing is in the hands of our creator(God).

[Xxmodded]

Yes, unless it's a minimum million dollar case, the police won't waste time investigating them.  So kyc for gambling, holding or trading with low amount should not be a fear for you.  But one fear is that many casino sites sell users' documents on the black market to perform illegal activities, so you have to be careful about this.  And for this reason, a reputable casino site should be used so that you can be safe from all aspects.  Illegal operators buy documents from users for high fees that many sites cannot afford and sell the documents to them.  So it is better to use reputable sites

I doubt with casino reputation will sell their user document on the back market illegal activities because they won't loss their reputation have build hard by selling data without much valuable, in my country have many time data publishing and selling in the black market due some of government side exactly take down by the hacker and not really huge impact when your data publishing or selling. Some casino have good protect with document user and not easily will publish exactly sell to black market forum, its impossible with any trusted casino have been publishing with their user document. Don't really afraid if want be part of casino user you have allow with the rule or term of service casino require with KYC.

[OgNasty]

I'm pretty sure I've made this point already in this thread, but if you're gambling, you're likely hoping that you hit some crazy winning streak or maybe a monster win on a slot machine to make yourself millions right?  Well, if that's your plan then you have to assume that no casino is going to let you withdraw millions of dollars without doing some sort of KYC.  So if you're gambling without KYC for whatever reason and you aren't going to be able to provide that for whatever reason, you are limiting yourself to only losing.  That isn't a winning strategy in my book.

[Wiwo]

We are not totally safe at all even if we choose those reputable casino since even government data is hackable so this data leaking could possible happen to those reputable casino since we don't know on how long they remain reputable since there would be fall down in their business especially if they can't adopt to the changes of their target market especially on new technology introduce on casinos.

If we know for ourselves that we are vulnerable since we are well known individual or known to have a lot of asset then I guess gambling maybe is not for us since we will be the target of possible attacks since our data's would be sellable to those criminals used other information just to take advantage on certain situation. What only thing we can do here is we need to be prepared on situation and think about next action if data leaking will happen to the site we are participating in.

If you ask me, I did tell you that only the dead is safe or save as long life and live in this world is concerned.
I've heard a story of a man who slept and dreamt that he died and was being buried in the dream, that morning, he woke up and said that he will be staying at home all through that day, because probably, death have set trap for him on the road, which is why he had that dream. And later on, just some few hours into the day, he was just coming outside from inside his house, a cow skull he hung on the ceiling lose and the sharp end pierced into his head, he was rushed to the village hospital but he later did not make it, he died that same day.

The above is actually a true live story, and what that teaches us is that, what ever have been destined to happen will surely happen, no matter what we do or avold, if its been destined that your personal information or document will appear in the hands of criminals, that we surely happen no matter how far you run away from casinos where kyc is must , but on the other hand, if it's destined that such will never happen to you, then kyc even with an untrusted casino, your personal data and information will surely remain safe.

So, personally, I feel that what we owe ourselves is to make sure to avoid casinos we know that is generally distrusted, we should only kyc on reputable and well-trusted casinos, every other thing is in the hands of our creator(God).

The story is funny but true and I can relate that to what we are focusing on in this thread and with the topic,  this is very often the situation with things around with life and how we choose to exist and chase through with life,  indeed whatever is meant to happen surely will happen,  and for the man I think he was active enough to have seen his death coming and many people who had similar dream will rather spend the whole day praying for diversion of the outcome of such dream.

When it comes to KYC I also agree that each individual has their luck on the casino because I have come across a member here in the forum, whom we use the same casino while the casino demands him to go through KYC account creation,  the casino has never asked me for the same KYC since I have been using them now for over a year and this has not to change anything yet aside just nu email verifications.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

We are not totally safe at all even if we choose those reputable casino since even government data is hackable so this data leaking could possible happen to those reputable casino since we don't know on how long they remain reputable since there would be fall down in their business especially if they can't adopt to the changes of their target market especially on new technology introduce on casinos.

If we know for ourselves that we are vulnerable since we are well known individual or known to have a lot of asset then I guess gambling maybe is not for us since we will be the target of possible attacks since our data's would be sellable to those criminals used other information just to take advantage on certain situation. What only thing we can do here is we need to be prepared on situation and think about next action if data leaking will happen to the site we are participating in.

If you ask me, I did tell you that only the dead is safe or save as long life and live in this world is concerned.
I've heard a story of a man who slept and dreamt that he died and was being buried in the dream, that morning, he woke up and said that he will be staying at home all through that day, because probably, death have set trap for him on the road, which is why he had that dream. And later on, just some few hours into the day, he was just coming outside from inside his house, a cow skull he hung on the ceiling lose and the sharp end pierced into his head, he was rushed to the village hospital but he later did not make it, he died that same day.

The above is actually a true live story, and what that teaches us is that, what ever have been destined to happen will surely happen, no matter what we do or avold, if its been destined that your personal information or document will appear in the hands of criminals, that we surely happen no matter how far you run away from casinos where kyc is must , but on the other hand, if it's destined that such will never happen to you, then kyc even with an untrusted casino, your personal data and information will surely remain safe.

So, personally, I feel that what we owe ourselves is to make sure to avoid casinos we know that is generally distrusted, we should only kyc on reputable and well-trusted casinos, every other thing is in the hands of our creator(God).

The story is funny but true and I can relate that to what we are focusing on in this thread and with the topic,  this is very often the situation with things around with life and how we choose to exist and chase through with life,  indeed whatever is meant to happen surely will happen,  and for the man I think he was active enough to have seen his death coming and many people who had similar dream will rather spend the whole day praying for diversion of the outcome of such dream.

Well, you know I tried to cut the story as short as possible, the man in question is not a Christian, and neither is he a Muslim, this story is not of something that happens last year, or last upper year, it's actually something that happens several year ago in my village when Christianity was still non-existent, remember those days when our fore fathers worshipped idols as their god, I was not yet born when that happened, it was my late father who told me the story actually  .

When it comes to KYC I also agree that each individual has their luck on the casino because I have come across a member here in the forum, whom we use the same casino while the casino demands him to go through KYC account creation,  the casino has never asked me for the same KYC since I have been using them now for over a year and this has not to change anything yet aside just nu email verifications.

You are right, completely agree with you, but you also know that sometimes, it still boils down to how much money one is gambling with, or how much the gambler won and is trying to withdraw from the casino.

Some casinos do have a limit to amount of money a non-kyc user can have in their account, and also, an amount of money the gambler can withdraw with being asked to pass kyc verification.
But immediately such gambler exceeds or crossed that limit, the casino will ask the gambler to pass kyc verification, else, his or her withdrawal request may likely not be processed, and the player may likely not be allowed to keep playing.

So, looking at it from this angle, I did say that it's not completely out or because of luck, but simply because you have not reached and exceeded the set limit for non-kyced users, while the member you talked about has, this is why he or she was asked to pass kyc verification, while you was not asked to do the same.

[Oilacris]

I'm pretty sure I've made this point already in this thread, but if you're gambling, you're likely hoping that you hit some crazy winning streak or maybe a monster win on a slot machine to make yourself millions right?  Well, if that's your plan then you have to assume that no casino is going to let you withdraw millions of dollars without doing some sort of KYC.  So if you're gambling without KYC for whatever reason and you aren't going to be able to provide that for whatever reason, you are limiting yourself to only losing.  That isn't a winning strategy in my book.

If you are dealing with a shady casino then this would really be mostly the case on which you would really be that able to experience those sudden lock ups and asking for some verification or would really be neither telling you that there are some sort of bug on the time that you do hit up something big which its not something new and do really happens into this forum and this is why it would be always that best that you should choose into those sites on which are reputable and indeed could be trusted on which it would really be giving out that kind of confidence on which you could really be
at ease on the time  that you do play on which we arent that assuming that we can hit up millions but at least if ever that luck do sit beside us and give out that chance
then you wont really be able to hit up those lock ups.

[mak013]

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It was a big, well-known casino. I left feedback and got the answer i told: "operator mistake". You can do nothing with it - it is written in ToS. Or they can say about some cheating in the match. And they don`t need to prove something.

I don't know what actually happened with your bet but when you get win with high odd and then the team just returns the amount of the bet and claims that everything was the operator fault then this doesn't make sense.
Casinos have fairly good system for detecting any problems or errors that occur and of course they should handle these errors from the start instead of making customers disappointed with what they do.
But the requirements contained in Tos regarding KYC are not always used for the casino personal benefit but it all depends on where we gamble, and not all casinos do that kind of thing.

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I left it. I think that someone else will make the same. But the result is that i have to spend time for research and try new casino and this casino decreased their loses - i mostly won.

If it only happens once and of course they say it was an operator error, maybe we can still accept it because it only happened once, but even if it only happened once, it also depends on how much money is at stake and the odds you get.
When large bet with odd big cancelled, plus the result is that we should win big then disappointment is bound to occur.
And in context like this there will be many people who will go looking for another casino if they experience the same thing, it is difficult to find casino that can really give us what we want but at least there are several large, well-reputed casinos that we can use.

I can agree with "operator mistake" but the statistics was awful for my team. I bet only for this big odd. And i checked later - several casinos had odds about it. And the second bet - x2 wasn`t cancelled. As result i`m sure that it is cheating from the casino and don`t want to repeat such situation. But if we read the ToS - we can`t say it - there are several points, allows them not to pay.

[Taskford]

I'm pretty sure I've made this point already in this thread, but if you're gambling, you're likely hoping that you hit some crazy winning streak or maybe a monster win on a slot machine to make yourself millions right?  Well, if that's your plan then you have to assume that no casino is going to let you withdraw millions of dollars without doing some sort of KYC.  So if you're gambling without KYC for whatever reason and you aren't going to be able to provide that for whatever reason, you are limiting yourself to only losing.  That isn't a winning strategy in my book.

That's why its crazy to assume that a casino will not implement a KYC especially if this scenario comes to a player since for sure they would provably ask that so they can verify something to the winners side.

Also players should not expect anything like there's a casino will do a NO KYC thing in there casino since for sure all those casino claim thay they would not ask anything like that will implement this. Also for sure that they might get an issue on some jurisdiction that's why if they want to became legal with those country for sure they comply and if they will not do it then maybe there's something shady will happen on them.

[Japinat]

I'm pretty sure I've made this point already in this thread, but if you're gambling, you're likely hoping that you hit some crazy winning streak or maybe a monster win on a slot machine to make yourself millions right?  Well, if that's your plan then you have to assume that no casino is going to let you withdraw millions of dollars without doing some sort of KYC.  So if you're gambling without KYC for whatever reason and you aren't going to be able to provide that for whatever reason, you are limiting yourself to only losing.  That isn't a winning strategy in my book.

That's why its crazy to assume that a casino will not implement a KYC especially if this scenario comes to a player since for sure they would provably ask that so they can verify something to the winners side.

Also players should not expect anything like there's a casino will do a NO KYC thing in there casino since for sure all those casino claim thay they would not ask anything like that will implement this. Also for sure that they might get an issue on some jurisdiction that's why if they want to became legal with those country for sure they comply and if they will not do it then maybe there's something shady will happen on them.

It's easy to know if a casino would ask a KYC or not. Check if they have a license, if they do, then expect that they will require a KYC anytime soon because it's a mandate from their regulators to make their customers comply with the basic requirement, probably they would delay to some customers but they are still subject for KYC in the long run.

The only casino that would not require a KYC are those that are not regulated, but you know the inherent risk to that because when they aren't regulated, there's no assurance also if they'll stay in the business for long.

Tell me a non KYC casinos (non regulated) that are still operating now, and how long have they been operating?

[bakasabo]

Why people are confused that there are no KYC when they register at casino? Why would casino ask for KYC from the start, if you havent done anything yet? This seems illogical to me. People are confused when they asked to pass KYC during withdrawal, but not before every withdrawal they ask for that. If you are in a little profit, imo casinos wont bother asking. But if you turn dollar into a million, then ask for KYC to get some extra time for checking. This looks normal for me.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Why people are confused that there are no KYC when they register at casino? Why would casino ask for KYC from the start, if you havent done anything yet? This seems illogical to me. People are confused when they asked to pass KYC during withdrawal, but not before every withdrawal they ask for that. If you are in a little profit, imo casinos wont bother asking. But if you turn dollar into a million, then ask for KYC to get some extra time for checking. This looks normal for me.

And what also should look normal to you as well is the fact that, there are actually some casinos where you won't be allowed to make any deposit and play without first passing kyc verification after you have completed your registration.
And if I am not mistaken, I think stake now fall under that same category since they updated their terms and conditions to now request immediate kyc verification from new users, while old users are allowed to play normally and only request kyc verification when they feel like, or wait until the casino ask for it.

And again, In some casino, it is not actually until a gambler wins millions before they request the user to pass kyc verification, some casinos do ask for kyc verification even for the tiniest of profit, most especially, if they are not sure if the gambler won in a legitimate way.

[mak013]

So, as i said, you is too small fish to catch you. The difference between bitcoin criminals and common criminals is that police has not much experience catching bitcoiners. They can catch such users, but they have to make a serious effort for it. If your transactions about $100-$100.000 - it is just waste of time for police. Exchanges and casinos will share your data as the police asks. It is a huge mistake to believe in anonymity in the internet.

Yes, unless it's a minimum million dollar case, the police won't waste time investigating them.  So kyc for gambling, holding or trading with low amount should not be a fear for you.  But one fear is that many casino sites sell users' documents on the black market to perform illegal activities, so you have to be careful about this.  And for this reason, a reputable casino site should be used so that you can be safe from all aspects.  Illegal operators buy documents from users for high fees that many sites cannot afford and sell the documents to them.  So it is better to use reputable sites

Even reputable sites can`t give you any guarantee. Of course, it would be better to use such sites, they spend money in their security system, at least they are more safe than small casinos, but no one can defend it from hackers. If the huge offline companies were hacked, there are no doubts, that casino can be hacked too. That`s why it is important to use 2FA or sms for security - services that connected with some devices you always take with yourself.

[bakasabo]

Why people are confused that there are no KYC when they register at casino? Why would casino ask for KYC from the start, if you havent done anything yet? This seems illogical to me. People are confused when they asked to pass KYC during withdrawal, but not before every withdrawal they ask for that. If you are in a little profit, imo casinos wont bother asking. But if you turn dollar into a million, then ask for KYC to get some extra time for checking. This looks normal for me.

And what also should look normal to you as well is the fact that, there are actually some casinos where you won't be allowed to make any deposit and play without first passing kyc verification after you have completed your registration.
And if I am not mistaken, I think stake now fall under that same category since they updated their terms and conditions to now request immediate kyc verification from new users, while old users are allowed to play normally and only request kyc verification when they feel like, or wait until the casino ask for it.

And again, In some casino, it is not actually until a gambler wins millions before they request the user to pass kyc verification, some casinos do ask for kyc verification even for the tiniest of profit, most especially, if they are not sure if the gambler won in a legitimate way.

I am more pissed when casinos ask obligatory to turn on 2FA when you withdraw, then all of a sudden favor to pass KYC. I have felt the victim of that several times. You click withdraw, fill all the info, click next and «turn on 2fa» message appears. You turn on 2fa (any my list of 2fa is huge now, requires scrolling all the time), repeat same procedure, click next and your funds are locked for 24h, because you have recently turned on 2fa... To me this looks more unfair then KYC.

[Xxmodded]

I am more pissed when casinos ask obligatory to turn on 2FA when you withdraw, then all of a sudden favor to pass KYC. I have felt the victim of that several times. You click withdraw, fill all the info, click next and «turn on 2fa» message appears. You turn on 2fa (any my list of 2fa is huge now, requires scrolling all the time), repeat same procedure, click next and your funds are locked for 24h, because you have recently turned on 2fa... To me this looks more unfair then KYC.

I think its good protect from casino gambling with your fund due abnormal activities from your account, usually when turning your security account like 2FA or change gambling password account required 24 hours later for withdrawing access. Its have been rule from casino gambling to protect abnormal activities and possibility your account got hack.
I think is fair and good way for securing our fund after turning 2fa or change password account waiting for 24 hours later if want get withdrawal fund.
Don't change 2FA, password gambling account if you want get access to withdrawing fund without lock by gambling platform system more than 24 hours.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I don`t think that we can change it. After the gambler get KYC, he think that he don`t have problems with the casino and continue gambling. Until he get some restriction like bet limit. And they`ll use this trick as long as it possible, telling us that they are struggle with the cheaters

It may be so, but I say that in the future people will look for money no matter how a casino is without KYC , I don't know if decentralized casinos can make a difference and improve in the future, maybe they don't charge every move because they Know that companies will Seek to be more Anonymous and that can have many consequences, especially for casinos that are more centralized and have many clients, because there will be such Persecution that things will be stronger every day there will be people who will always seek to have this type of privileges so that they feel safer when playing, so when we are in a casino we have to be very emphatic in what we are looking for, and if the problem will be this KYC, and although many companies are Doing it for now without problems, it is something which is Still very quiet but People who care about their money will start to give more signals, we are all currently seeing that things with Casinos have changed , that they are now an Obligation to do this KYC thing , but also the Exchanges and almost Everything.

For those reasons we can draw that Conclusion , well I can Draw that conclusion , at one point let's say it's the period of about 3 years where the majority of people realize that the power of bitcoin is destroyed, as they are. At dinner right now , the Price is above $40k , but if the price were to have a rebound of at least $100k, people will Know that this is a safe Asset, where it can be considered without a doubt a valuable asset, even more powerful than the same gold and opting above some solid investments such as Real Estate , the SameGold, oil, among others and that can be unmonitored, with that option, the eras will seek to play and have fun without Restrictions , Because everyone is tired of the fiat System , and with this they can get out of that system Easily, without Going through banks , third parties or as a Government.

Bitcoin costs nothing. No one country allow somebody to print money. So today it costs $40.000, tomorrow - $100.000, a week later - zero. And anonymity is a fake - we regularly see how bitcoin owners are caught by police. We just too small fish for them. That`s why i don`t see any problem with KYC - if someone serious decide to catch some gambler - he can do it even without KYC.

Yes, indeed, but the less they remove the tools the better, I believe that those who use Bitcoin are because they have become known in P2P Exchanges where they give their bank details at once, and that is where they have it, it is very easy That way, but from wallet to wallet, with mixers things change, with respect to KYC, there are many new things, in fact, the demands are increasing even for casinos because casinos now have to invest a lot of money in security so that the things they have stored there in the data do not leak, so now that is a fortune, so things can be smiling for us as players, because as I said, when now they put their hands in your pockets Casino things change, I am sure that things can be done to avoid this KYC if the prices in this case increase and continue to increase, and those cases can be studied to know what can be done, because there is a lot they have to invest.

With respect to what you say, that bitcoin reaches zero, so I know, for example, that for me is not possible, for now it is not, within the limits of the intact possibilities, well, it is, but for that to happen I want to say that many Investors are willing to lose all their investment in bitcoin investment and many institutions do it too, even the bankers and governments that are against Bitcoin, they have bitcoin, even the economists themselves know the great value it has, that's what they say. You can say about any shitcoin, which doesn't matter to me, but Bitcoin? Come on man, we are talking about the King, the one who is actually worth money, who at any moment can reach $100k or even why not? $500k or more, those are the goals that Bitcoin has, even the enemies of Bitcoin themselves are recognizing the supremacy of the crypto asset, so what you say is a bit exaggerated.

[cafter]

I am more pissed when casinos ask obligatory to turn on 2FA when you withdraw, then all of a sudden favor to pass KYC. I have felt the victim of that several times. You click withdraw, fill all the info, click next and «turn on 2fa» message appears. You turn on 2fa (any my list of 2fa is huge now, requires scrolling all the time), repeat same procedure, click next and your funds are locked for 24h, because you have recently turned on 2fa... To me this looks more unfair then KYC.

I think its good protect from casino gambling with your fund due abnormal activities from your account, usually when turning your security account like 2FA or change gambling password account required 24 hours later for withdrawing access. Its have been rule from casino gambling to protect abnormal activities and possibility your account got hack.
I think is fair and good way for securing our fund after turning 2fa or change password account waiting for 24 hours later if want get withdrawal fund.
Don't change 2FA, password gambling account if you want get access to withdrawing fund without lock by gambling platform system more than 24 hours.

Yes I always keep that in mind because I have seen many reputable exchange, where when we on the 2fa the exchange doesn't allow us to withdraw for a while. But there will be a option to turn this feature off, because sometimes we need crypto or money urgently,
It is a good feature, but I keep this off when it is possible.

[mak013]

Bitcoin costs nothing. No one country allow somebody to print money. So today it costs $40.000, tomorrow - $100.000, a week later - zero. And anonymity is a fake - we regularly see how bitcoin owners are caught by police. We just too small fish for them. That`s why i don`t see any problem with KYC - if someone serious decide to catch some gambler - he can do it even without KYC.

Yes, indeed, but the less they remove the tools the better, I believe that those who use Bitcoin are because they have become known in P2P Exchanges where they give their bank details at once, and that is where they have it, it is very easy That way, but from wallet to wallet, with mixers things change, with respect to KYC, there are many new things, in fact, the demands are increasing even for casinos because casinos now have to invest a lot of money in security so that the things they have stored there in the data do not leak, so now that is a fortune, so things can be smiling for us as players, because as I said, when now they put their hands in your pockets Casino things change, I am sure that things can be done to avoid this KYC if the prices in this case increase and continue to increase, and those cases can be studied to know what can be done, because there is a lot they have to invest.

With respect to what you say, that bitcoin reaches zero, so I know, for example, that for me is not possible, for now it is not, within the limits of the intact possibilities, well, it is, but for that to happen I want to say that many Investors are willing to lose all their investment in bitcoin investment and many institutions do it too, even the bankers and governments that are against Bitcoin, they have bitcoin, even the economists themselves know the great value it has, that's what they say. You can say about any shitcoin, which doesn't matter to me, but Bitcoin? Come on man, we are talking about the King, the one who is actually worth money, who at any moment can reach $100k or even why not? $500k or more, those are the goals that Bitcoin has, even the enemies of Bitcoin themselves are recognizing the supremacy of the crypto asset, so what you say is a bit exaggerated.

I`m sure that nobody can avoid the police(or secret services) if the would be strongly motivated to catch him. Any mixers or avoiding KYC can`t help with it. I read sometimes different cryptocurrencies news and can say that the police today is qualified enough and has enough instruments to catch a bitcoiner. The main question is how big is the fish.

The gold can be used in industry, the oil can be used in industry, USD is the standard. Bitcoin is nothing. No one country will allow any type of money they can`t control.
But it doesn`t mean that we can`t get profit using BTC in our real life. I buy, sell, earn BTC. But the money i have in BTC today - costs nothing for me, due to bey/sell operations. I don`t care will it be $500.000 or zero.

[bakasabo]

I am more pissed when casinos ask obligatory to turn on 2FA when you withdraw, then all of a sudden favor to pass KYC. I have felt the victim of that several times. You click withdraw, fill all the info, click next and «turn on 2fa» message appears. You turn on 2fa (any my list of 2fa is huge now, requires scrolling all the time), repeat same procedure, click next and your funds are locked for 24h, because you have recently turned on 2fa... To me this looks more unfair then KYC.

I think its good protect from casino gambling with your fund due abnormal activities from your account, usually when turning your security account like 2FA or change gambling password account required 24 hours later for withdrawing access. Its have been rule from casino gambling to protect abnormal activities and possibility your account got hack.
I think is fair and good way for securing our fund after turning 2fa or change password account waiting for 24 hours later if want get withdrawal fund.
Don't change 2FA, password gambling account if you want get access to withdrawing fund without lock by gambling platform system more than 24 hours.

It is fair and good way to protect account only when you have already turned it of, but not when you get this warning after wanting to withdraw. So before, when I havent dont a deposit or gambled, casino did not care much about security of funds or balance. They let me lose funds. But when I try to withdraw, all of a sudden they start to care much and freeze funds for 24h. I would understand if they tell me to get back in 24h and repeat withdrawal. But they freeze funds, and I cant gamble anymore. I just had to sit and wait. Looks unfair for me.

[leonair]

I am more pissed when casinos ask obligatory to turn on 2FA when you withdraw, then all of a sudden favor to pass KYC. I have felt the victim of that several times. You click withdraw, fill all the info, click next and «turn on 2fa» message appears. You turn on 2fa (any my list of 2fa is huge now, requires scrolling all the time), repeat same procedure, click next and your funds are locked for 24h, because you have recently turned on 2fa... To me this looks more unfair then KYC.

I think its good protect from casino gambling with your fund due abnormal activities from your account, usually when turning your security account like 2FA or change gambling password account required 24 hours later for withdrawing access. Its have been rule from casino gambling to protect abnormal activities and possibility your account got hack.
I think is fair and good way for securing our fund after turning 2fa or change password account waiting for 24 hours later if want get withdrawal fund.
Don't change 2FA, password gambling account if you want get access to withdrawing fund without lock by gambling platform system more than 24 hours.

It is fair and good way to protect account only when you have already turned it of, but not when you get this warning after wanting to withdraw. So before, when I havent dont a deposit or gambled, casino did not care much about security of funds or balance. They let me lose funds. But when I try to withdraw, all of a sudden they start to care much and freeze funds for 24h. I would understand if they tell me to get back in 24h and repeat withdrawal. But they freeze funds, and I cant gamble anymore. I just had to sit and wait. Looks unfair for me.

When one wants to use a casino site he should use a reputable casino site from the beginning and complete the kyc verify before he gets any kind of warning and definitely gamble the easy way without any fear.  Because gambling is a cool game, the more relaxed you are, the less likely you are to lose.  And if someone is lucky enough to win big in gambling then he will be forced to do kyc so should use a site which has no kyc issues.