Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw

[mak013]

Do you still read what i`m talking about? I several times told that i have no problem with KYC. Why i have to hate it? And i told several times that in ToS there are the the one text with small differs. And it YOU read the ToS in different casino, you can find that the text everywhere will be something about "casino can KYC you any moment they decide".

Thats what casino would really be having that kind of edge with that mentioned line that they do have the rights on asking some KYC if its needed. If it just fine to comply some KYC then its good which there would be no issues but there are people who are really that skeptical on doing such thing and this is why whenever they do encounter issues then they do really got dismayed on how the casinos been asking for such verification.
Well, there's nothing we can do about it on the time that they would really be asking out such requirement before you could really be able to withdraw.

This is why its always important into those newbie gamblers that reading up sites terms and conditions is a must so that they wont really get shocked on the time that they would
really be facing up some potential issues or problems which might cause for some withdrawal hold up or lock or pending. You wont really be having no choice
actually.

I want just an opportunity to KYC in the casino when i want. I don`t have problems with KYC. I`m sure that lots of newbies don`t have any problems. The problem is when you want your money fast.
PS. I read here some thread, when casino asked a huge quantity of docs from gambler. He even tried to visit their office to KYC in real life, but they rejected. This is the problem, not the KYC.

[Kavelj22]

I see this as a moral obligation rather than an obligation under the law. It has become self-evident to expect that any services website has the absolute and sole authority to make updates to the terms of use, whether by amendment or modification, even if this is not stipulated in the TOS.

Thanks for the clarification on this point. As a user, I do not care much about whether the casino will lose the community’s trust in it after it changes the terms of use in any suspicious way, as much as I care about having the authority to pursue legal action. I am sure that in most cases of fraud, users are unable to impose measures by the authority of the law because they are from countries that do not support their activities and do not have a legal status that allows them to take any procedural steps.
I emphasize once again that these points are what make the user very hesitant to use any new casino comfortably, and due to the absence of sufficient guarantees, the best option is to use platforms with a good reputation. This especially applies to crypto-based casinos.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I see this as a moral obligation rather than an obligation under the law. It has become self-evident to expect that any services website has the absolute and sole authority to make updates to the terms of use, whether by amendment or modification, even if this is not stipulated in the TOS.

It is under their legal obligation, ToS is their legal rights and they should do it ethical/proper way. Most big companies do this and do always make it in advance, notifying its users few days before it take effect because it's the right of their users to agreed the new terms and so its users can continue or stop using their service. Although this is the right way, many services like casinos failed to do it for obvious reasons, deceive their users through their terms of service.

Well, I think the truth of the matter is that, online gambling casinos are not businesses that the law enforcement agencies really gives attention to, so, they are like free birds that can fly anywhere, perch anywhere, do whatever they want, eat whatever they and if edible to them and so on.
We know some casinos operate under a license but like we have previously discussed on this forum not once or twice but several times, licenses seem like decorations on casinos, as it seems like the agencies that grant such operational licenses to the casinos don't usually give a damn about the casinos after they have obtained the license, and because of this, casinos can do whatever they want with their terms of service and or what so ever.

But this does not apply to every casino though, there are still some casinos that are highly professional in their mode and way of operation, like Stake for example, when they updated their terms of service, also known as terms and conditions; the last time, they made the notice available to every user before hand, and the day the new terms and conditions was to take effect, they made every user to read and accept the new terms before such user will gain back access to his or her stake account.
If every casinos will do this same thing when ever they update their terms and conditions, there wouldn't be so much problems in this regard.

[Bushdark]

Do you still read what i`m talking about? I several times told that i have no problem with KYC. Why i have to hate it? And i told several times that in ToS there are the the one text with small differs. And it YOU read the ToS in different casino, you can find that the text everywhere will be something about "casino can KYC you any moment they decide".

Thats what casino would really be having that kind of edge with that mentioned line that they do have the rights on asking some KYC if its needed. If it just fine to comply some KYC then its good which there would be no issues but there are people who are really that skeptical on doing such thing and this is why whenever they do encounter issues then they do really got dismayed on how the casinos been asking for such verification.
Well, there's nothing we can do about it on the time that they would really be asking out such requirement before you could really be able to withdraw.

This is why its always important into those newbie gamblers that reading up sites terms and conditions is a must so that they wont really get shocked on the time that they would
really be facing up some potential issues or problems which might cause for some withdrawal hold up or lock or pending. You wont really be having no choice
actually.

I want just an opportunity to KYC in the casino when i want. I don`t have problems with KYC. I`m sure that lots of newbies don`t have any problems. The problem is when you want your money fast.
PS. I read here some thread, when casino asked a huge quantity of docs from gambler. He even tried to visit their office to KYC in real life, but they rejected. This is the problem, not the KYC.

There casinos that aldo ask for partial KYC where you don't have to drop all your acredentials before betting large or withdrawing.
Everyone has what they are interested in and we need to be wise and go for casino that would reach out expectations without complaining later. There are so many casino on this platform and even outside this community. We need to be ready to keep doing research on the casino that would suit our interest without basing our research on fake reviews.

[mak013]

I want just an opportunity to KYC in the casino when i want. I don`t have problems with KYC. I`m sure that lots of newbies don`t have any problems. The problem is when you want your money fast.
PS. I read here some thread, when casino asked a huge quantity of docs from gambler. He even tried to visit their office to KYC in real life, but they rejected. This is the problem, not the KYC.

There casinos that aldo ask for partial KYC where you don't have to drop all your acredentials before betting large or withdrawing.
Everyone has what they are interested in and we need to be wise and go for casino that would reach out expectations without complaining later. There are so many casino on this platform and even outside this community. We need to be ready to keep doing research on the casino that would suit our interest without basing our research on fake reviews.

Yes, there are such casinos. And of course i can choose a casino, that permit me KYC myself when i decide to do it. But there are reasons why we are talking about it. I don`t see the problem with KYC, but someone other - don`t want to KYC himself anyway. Ok, it is their decision and i accept it, i can`t say anything bad about casinos without KYC. But the KYC "when casino wants" gives to casino an opportunity to cheat gambler, making him KYC in the worst time and KYC him for several days/weeks.

[shasan]

It doesnt hurt nor cost you an arm and leg when it comes to making up some research and trying out to verify on everything before you would be making out such deposit.

I don't think it will help you if you make proper research before making any deposit or starting gambling. Because many gambling sites don't mention the KYC they may ask to verify KYC while they suspect anything.

[AbuBhakar]

It doesnt hurt nor cost you an arm and leg when it comes to making up some research and trying out to verify on everything before you would be making out such deposit.

I don't think it will help you if you make proper research before making any deposit or starting gambling. Because many gambling sites don't mention the KYC they may ask to verify KYC while they suspect anything.

Most gambling site doesn’t mention the exact time frame of requiring KYC but surely they always noted that KYC may be requested anytime when it’s necessary. Besides casino doesn’t requires KYC on random basis without anything suspicious on user account that needs to be verified with their identity.

But you’re right that reading ToS will not change a thing if the user doesn’t like KYC because they will always find a way to circumvent it just to play in the casino and later use the forum to seek support when casino ask them while they have funds on their account.

[EarnOnVictor]

Do you still read what i`m talking about? I several times told that i have no problem with KYC. Why i have to hate it? And i told several times that in ToS there are the the one text with small differs. And it YOU read the ToS in different casino, you can find that the text everywhere will be something about "casino can KYC you any moment they decide".

Thats what casino would really be having that kind of edge with that mentioned line that they do have the rights on asking some KYC if its needed. If it just fine to comply some KYC then its good which there would be no issues but there are people who are really that skeptical on doing such thing and this is why whenever they do encounter issues then they do really got dismayed on how the casinos been asking for such verification.
Well, there's nothing we can do about it on the time that they would really be asking out such requirement before you could really be able to withdraw.

This is why its always important into those newbie gamblers that reading up sites terms and conditions is a must so that they wont really get shocked on the time that they would
really be facing up some potential issues or problems which might cause for some withdrawal hold up or lock or pending. You wont really be having no choice
actually.

I want just an opportunity to KYC in the casino when i want. I don`t have problems with KYC. I`m sure that lots of newbies don`t have any problems. The problem is when you want your money fast.
PS. I read here some thread, when casino asked a huge quantity of docs from gambler. He even tried to visit their office to KYC in real life, but they rejected. This is the problem, not the KYC.

This is the headache we face in online dealings and it is not peculiar to gambling, but it is so less with formal establishments like brokerage companies these days. I guess it's because of the way things still are in the online environment where there is no proper conductor, monitoring and regulations that can incur heavy sanctions, which is why any business online could decide to make the earth a living hell for their customers. I can't just wait for that day to come when true fairness will be inculcated in everything we do online, it is only then that all that you narrated above and even worse will stop.

Although to date, I've not had any issue with casinos but I wouldn't pretend that those I know have not, notwithstanding, if you investigate the situation, you would realise that the casinos are mostly at fault or they are just overbearing in nature due to their selfish interest. However, if it is still the issue of KYC, it is the least, and I believe that those who are being targeted for the stress are those who did not do the KYC from the beginning and/or are the people who want to withdraw so big or are good at their gambling. This is why I advise people to do their KYC from the beginning, and when they are duly certified by the casino and they are later asking for extra documents and start rejecting them, then you should know that something is truly fishy.

[Quidat]

Do you still read what i`m talking about? I several times told that i have no problem with KYC. Why i have to hate it? And i told several times that in ToS there are the the one text with small differs. And it YOU read the ToS in different casino, you can find that the text everywhere will be something about "casino can KYC you any moment they decide".

Thats what casino would really be having that kind of edge with that mentioned line that they do have the rights on asking some KYC if its needed. If it just fine to comply some KYC then its good which there would be no issues but there are people who are really that skeptical on doing such thing and this is why whenever they do encounter issues then they do really got dismayed on how the casinos been asking for such verification.
Well, there's nothing we can do about it on the time that they would really be asking out such requirement before you could really be able to withdraw.

This is why its always important into those newbie gamblers that reading up sites terms and conditions is a must so that they wont really get shocked on the time that they would
really be facing up some potential issues or problems which might cause for some withdrawal hold up or lock or pending. You wont really be having no choice
actually.

I want just an opportunity to KYC in the casino when i want. I don`t have problems with KYC. I`m sure that lots of newbies don`t have any problems. The problem is when you want your money fast.
PS. I read here some thread, when casino asked a huge quantity of docs from gambler. He even tried to visit their office to KYC in real life, but they rejected. This is the problem, not the KYC.

This is the headache we face in online dealings and it is not peculiar to gambling, but it is so less with formal establishments like brokerage companies these days. I guess it's because of the way things still are in the online environment where there is no proper conductor, monitoring and regulations that can incur heavy sanctions, which is why any business online could decide to make the earth a living hell for their customers. I can't just wait for that day to come when true fairness will be inculcated in everything we do online, it is only then that all that you narrated above and even worse will stop.

Although to date, I've not had any issue with casinos but I wouldn't pretend that those I know have not, notwithstanding, if you investigate the situation, you would realise that the casinos are mostly at fault or they are just overbearing in nature due to their selfish interest. However, if it is still the issue of KYC, it is the least, and I believe that those who are being targeted for the stress are those who did not do the KYC from the beginning and/or are the people who want to withdraw so big or are good at their gambling. This is why I advise people to do their KYC from the beginning, and when they are duly certified by the casino and they are later asking for extra documents and start rejecting them, then you should know that something is truly fishy.

Stick with reputable sites then you should be just fine and this is where people do really miss out on making up some research but instead they would really be that
making deposits without doing any research just because they've been got hyped? This is the usual case specially if they've seen someone do flex out their winnings from an unknown or
not popular site and on the time that they do get hyped then this is where they would really be making deposits without even thinking on what they are dealing with
on which we know that this is really that something very dangerous i should say and this is something that you must be avoiding.

[samuraijin]

Do you still read what i`m talking about? I several times told that i have no problem with KYC. Why i have to hate it? And i told several times that in ToS there are the the one text with small differs. And it YOU read the ToS in different casino, you can find that the text everywhere will be something about "casino can KYC you any moment they decide".

Thats what casino would really be having that kind of edge with that mentioned line that they do have the rights on asking some KYC if its needed. If it just fine to comply some KYC then its good which there would be no issues but there are people who are really that skeptical on doing such thing and this is why whenever they do encounter issues then they do really got dismayed on how the casinos been asking for such verification.
Well, there's nothing we can do about it on the time that they would really be asking out such requirement before you could really be able to withdraw.

This is why its always important into those newbie gamblers that reading up sites terms and conditions is a must so that they wont really get shocked on the time that they would
really be facing up some potential issues or problems which might cause for some withdrawal hold up or lock or pending. You wont really be having no choice
actually.

I want just an opportunity to KYC in the casino when i want. I don`t have problems with KYC. I`m sure that lots of newbies don`t have any problems. The problem is when you want your money fast.
PS. I read here some thread, when casino asked a huge quantity of docs from gambler. He even tried to visit their office to KYC in real life, but they rejected. This is the problem, not the KYC.

Are you sure about the casino or, do you have no doubts about your personal data if it is used for the KYC process with the casino which is relatively early, to be honest I don't blame someone's confidence, but here we are discussing the confidentiality of personal data so that it is not misused.  by other people, what's more, the casino is not yet well-known. I'm worried that someone's data will be misused, so I prefer a well-known casino. If KYC is required then I will do it, but if it's a casino that I think doesn't have a name but asks for it.  My KYC will leave the casino to protect my personal data.

[Awaklara]

Are you sure about the casino or, do you have no doubts about your personal data if it is used for the KYC process with the casino which is relatively early, to be honest I don't blame someone's confidence, but here we are discussing the confidentiality of personal data so that it is not misused.  by other people, what's more, the casino is not yet well-known. I'm worried that someone's data will be misused, so I prefer a well-known casino. If KYC is required then I will do it, but if it's a casino that I think doesn't have a name but asks for it.  My KYC will leave the casino to protect my personal data.

There are bound to be doubts, especially if it is a new casino. but if the KYC requested is related to the withdrawal of a fairly large amount of money, there may be no other option to carry out KYC.
However, there are those of us who like to try new casinos. If they are properly paying players' winnings, I don't think there will be any problem if they require KYC verification for all users.
The most important thing is that the casino does not violate the trust that has been given.

[arwin100]

Are you sure about the casino or, do you have no doubts about your personal data if it is used for the KYC process with the casino which is relatively early, to be honest I don't blame someone's confidence, but here we are discussing the confidentiality of personal data so that it is not misused.  by other people, what's more, the casino is not yet well-known. I'm worried that someone's data will be misused, so I prefer a well-known casino. If KYC is required then I will do it, but if it's a casino that I think doesn't have a name but asks for it.  My KYC will leave the casino to protect my personal data.

There are bound to be doubts, especially if it is a new casino. but if the KYC requested is related to the withdrawal of a fairly large amount of money, there may be no other option to carry out KYC.
However, there are those of us who like to try new casinos. If they are properly paying players' winnings, I don't think there will be any problem if they require KYC verification for all users.
The most important thing is that the casino does not violate the trust that has been given.

Doubts is normal for new casino since they don't have reputation built yet and we don't know if we can really be safe there or the owner is just farming private details since we will be in danger if this case really happen. If they trigger this requesting a withdrawal maybe this is understandable if the amount if huge. But for chunks maybe not since there are people skeptical about the process and want to be anonymous on everything they want to do online. That's why if a casino claims that they don't have any KYC requirements and anyone can play without worrying that but suddenly implement this then I guess they are just fooling people around and cannot be trusted since they are not really transparent to their costumers.

[danadc]

Are you sure about the casino or, do you have no doubts about your personal data if it is used for the KYC process with the casino which is relatively early, to be honest I don't blame someone's confidence, but here we are discussing the confidentiality of personal data so that it is not misused.  by other people, what's more, the casino is not yet well-known. I'm worried that someone's data will be misused, so I prefer a well-known casino. If KYC is required then I will do it, but if it's a casino that I think doesn't have a name but asks for it.  My KYC will leave the casino to protect my personal data.

There are bound to be doubts, especially if it is a new casino. but if the KYC requested is related to the withdrawal of a fairly large amount of money, there may be no other option to carry out KYC.
However, there are those of us who like to try new casinos. If they are properly paying players' winnings, I don't think there will be any problem if they require KYC verification for all users.
The most important thing is that the casino does not violate the trust that has been given.

Doubts is normal for new casino since they don't have reputation built yet and we don't know if we can really be safe there or the owner is just farming private details since we will be in danger if this case really happen. If they trigger this requesting a withdrawal maybe this is understandable if the amount if huge. But for chunks maybe not since there are people skeptical about the process and want to be anonymous on everything they want to do online. That's why if a casino claims that they don't have any KYC requirements and anyone can play without worrying that but suddenly implement this then I guess they are just fooling people around and cannot be trusted since they are not really transparent to their costumers.

I do not trust casinos that are new, much less if they require that they have to comply with new requirements or demands that are very extreme, so new casinos have to be the easiest for a user to register, so that the ease catches their attention What is entering, but in a casino that requires KYC and that is so hard and that also has no records, how is it possible to trust this? You can't be sure about something because we don't know if they pay or not, we have to wait for them to be quite reliable, I now take that perspective because I have lost money in casinos like this, that's why I haven't become afraid of new casinos .

It also scares me when I go and I find that I can win quickly and easily, sometimes I don't think that I'm lucky, but that if I won quickly it's because something strange happens, sometimes I think badly that it's the good fact of doing those things Well, that's only for new casinos, but in casinos that are reliable one no longer worries.

[shasan]

I do not trust casinos that are new, much less if they require that they have to comply with new requirements or demands that are very extreme, so new casinos have to be the easiest for a user to register, so that the ease catches their attention What is entering, but in a casino that requires KYC and that is so hard and that also has no records, how is it possible to trust this? You can't be sure about something because we don't know if they pay or not, we have to wait for them to be quite reliable, I now take that perspective because I have lost money in casinos like this, that's why I haven't become afraid of new casinos .

Those sites are old and reputed we can know from forum discussions, social media, review sites, and so on. If we invest without anything knowing then all the sites are the same whether that is reputed or not? They are new or not. They are a scammer or not? So, as much knowledge we have about the site we may trust/distrust that site and the important thing is that all the sites started from the beginning.

[Oilacris]

I do not trust casinos that are new, much less if they require that they have to comply with new requirements or demands that are very extreme, so new casinos have to be the easiest for a user to register, so that the ease catches their attention What is entering, but in a casino that requires KYC and that is so hard and that also has no records, how is it possible to trust this? You can't be sure about something because we don't know if they pay or not, we have to wait for them to be quite reliable, I now take that perspective because I have lost money in casinos like this, that's why I haven't become afraid of new casinos .

Those sites are old and reputed we can know from forum discussions, social media, review sites, and so on. If we invest without anything knowing then all the sites are the same whether that is reputed or not? They are new or not. They are a scammer or not? So, as much knowledge we have about the site we may trust/distrust that site and the important thing is that all the sites started from the beginning.

We do know that old sites are ones that new too and just like been said that it is really that hard to trust up new sites but we do know that not all would really be that ending up on scam
and there are still few numbers that would really be ending up on becoming bigger on the time that there would really be recognitions that do happen. This is why it would really
be just that depending into your assessment whether you would really be dealing up with something new or would really be tending to give out some chance or you would really be that
sticking into those old ones because you cant just trust them enough?

It would be that not hard to identify which site is a scammy one basing up with those some couple of redflags on the time that you would really be having those kind of
checks and some user experience once you do hover yourself into the site. It is really that impossible you wont be able to notice if there's something wrong.

[mak013]

I want just an opportunity to KYC in the casino when i want. I don`t have problems with KYC. I`m sure that lots of newbies don`t have any problems. The problem is when you want your money fast.
PS. I read here some thread, when casino asked a huge quantity of docs from gambler. He even tried to visit their office to KYC in real life, but they rejected. This is the problem, not the KYC.

This is the headache we face in online dealings and it is not peculiar to gambling, but it is so less with formal establishments like brokerage companies these days. I guess it's because of the way things still are in the online environment where there is no proper conductor, monitoring and regulations that can incur heavy sanctions, which is why any business online could decide to make the earth a living hell for their customers. I can't just wait for that day to come when true fairness will be inculcated in everything we do online, it is only then that all that you narrated above and even worse will stop.

Although to date, I've not had any issue with casinos but I wouldn't pretend that those I know have not, notwithstanding, if you investigate the situation, you would realise that the casinos are mostly at fault or they are just overbearing in nature due to their selfish interest. However, if it is still the issue of KYC, it is the least, and I believe that those who are being targeted for the stress are those who did not do the KYC from the beginning and/or are the people who want to withdraw so big or are good at their gambling. This is why I advise people to do their KYC from the beginning, and when they are duly certified by the casino and they are later asking for extra documents and start rejecting them, then you should know that something is truly fishy.

The casino has an opportunity to use this trick when they want, so i`m sure that they will never reject this opportunity. And we can`t make something with casino rules - they have the same ToS in the main.
PS. I try to withdraw some small sums several times to get KYC. Only after it i begin to gamble seriously.

I want just an opportunity to KYC in the casino when i want. I don`t have problems with KYC. I`m sure that lots of newbies don`t have any problems. The problem is when you want your money fast.
PS. I read here some thread, when casino asked a huge quantity of docs from gambler. He even tried to visit their office to KYC in real life, but they rejected. This is the problem, not the KYC.

Are you sure about the casino or, do you have no doubts about your personal data if it is used for the KYC process with the casino which is relatively early, to be honest I don't blame someone's confidence, but here we are discussing the confidentiality of personal data so that it is not misused.  by other people, what's more, the casino is not yet well-known. I'm worried that someone's data will be misused, so I prefer a well-known casino. If KYC is required then I will do it, but if it's a casino that I think doesn't have a name but asks for it.  My KYC will leave the casino to protect my personal data.

I don`t cares about it. I saw my data in internet several times before KYC. Lots of shops, banks get our data and sell/lose it later. I don`t cares about my data in the internet, i cares only about my credit cards and my phone.

[shasan]

I don`t cares about it. I saw my data in internet several times before KYC. Lots of shops, banks get our data and sell/lose it later. I don`t cares about my data in the internet, i cares only about my credit cards and my phone.

I agree with you that it is useless to care too much about KYC as we may loss our KYC in a various ways especially for the phone companies. But if we loss access of any account which is related to finance or loss our pc/mobile then we will have a great/big loss.

[teamsherry]

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this.
 
EDIT
I'll share the site since so much people is asking, but I guess this is usual:
https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/ with a referal who leads you to the domain you'll be logged

In FAQ you find it clearly: https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/faq/

Do I have to submit any documents when depositing money?
There are no documents needed for making a deposit at El Royale Casino. However, in some rare cases, we might ask you to provide a Credit Card Validation form to ensure the safety of your transactions.

How do I request a payout?
After you have submitted all the necessary documents for proving your identity, you will be able to request a payout in the Cashier section of your account. If you are using your mobile device, you need to go to “Menu,” and then to the section “Payout”.

El Royale is operated by Wonder Play Company N.V. having its office in Willemstad, Curacao. Company Registration number 162233.

When a user makes an aggregate lifetime total of deposits exceeding USD 2000 or requests a withdrawal of any amount at El Royale, they are obliged to undergo a full KYC procedure, wherein the user shall submit some basic details about themselves and then upload the files listed below:

A copy of Government Issued Photo ID (in some cases front and back depending on the doc)
A selfie of themselves holding the ID doc
A bank statement/Utility Bill

Yeah, pretty fair: give me 2K with no questions, but you won't be able to get a penny without fulfilling the rules. I'ts a regulatory joke. Even is a gambler trap: " I'll try to make it a big ammount so it's worth it to do the paperwork, then you loose. Unacceptable

That's why it's important to read the terms and condition of this online casinos before doing anything or using them, they mostly do this not to scare users away from verification cause they know that the moment your money is with them you have no other choice than to do the kyc verification.

And sometimes it's for safety cause scammers also use them to keep funds.

[EarnOnVictor]

I do not trust casinos that are new, much less if they require that they have to comply with new requirements or demands that are very extreme, so new casinos have to be the easiest for a user to register, so that the ease catches their attention What is entering, but in a casino that requires KYC and that is so hard and that also has no records, how is it possible to trust this? You can't be sure about something because we don't know if they pay or not, we have to wait for them to be quite reliable, I now take that perspective because I have lost money in casinos like this, that's why I haven't become afraid of new casinos .

Those sites are old and reputed we can know from forum discussions, social media, review sites, and so on. If we invest without anything knowing then all the sites are the same whether that is reputed or not? They are new or not. They are a scammer or not? So, as much knowledge we have about the site we may trust/distrust that site and the important thing is that all the sites started from the beginning.

Well, being new casinos, the risk of dealing with them is higher than the old ones, we can never take out that fact since it will take time before they build the reputation and trust. While some would eventually build the reputation, others will never build it which makes dealing with the new casinos riskier no matter what.

But when it comes to issues/disputes, it is not peculiar to the new or old casinos. There are issues where the casinos could be guilty, but in some cases, it is the customers who would be guilty. For this, issues have to be treated individually and with the much-needed evidence so that the right judgement can be observed.

Specifically, when it comes to KYC issues, the customers and casinos could be at fault and this is irrespective of being old or new, and even reputation might not be a basis here as well. Imagine the person who signed up with a casino that is not a no-KYC casino and has played with them for 5 years without asking for the KYC. When the casino finally asked for it, the customers could now be frowning at it calling them all sorts of unprintable names. You can see that the customer is the fool here, a KYC casino will always have the right to ask for it now or later. Also, in the situation where a no-KYC that has served a customer for 5 years suddenly asked for KYC completion, is a breach of the agreement. These, and more examples have to be treated separately to ascertain who is guilty or not.

[rodskee]

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this.
 
EDIT
I'll share the site since so much people is asking, but I guess this is usual:
https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/ with a referal who leads you to the domain you'll be logged

In FAQ you find it clearly: https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/faq/

Do I have to submit any documents when depositing money?
There are no documents needed for making a deposit at El Royale Casino. However, in some rare cases, we might ask you to provide a Credit Card Validation form to ensure the safety of your transactions.

How do I request a payout?
After you have submitted all the necessary documents for proving your identity, you will be able to request a payout in the Cashier section of your account. If you are using your mobile device, you need to go to “Menu,” and then to the section “Payout”.

El Royale is operated by Wonder Play Company N.V. having its office in Willemstad, Curacao. Company Registration number 162233.

When a user makes an aggregate lifetime total of deposits exceeding USD 2000 or requests a withdrawal of any amount at El Royale, they are obliged to undergo a full KYC procedure, wherein the user shall submit some basic details about themselves and then upload the files listed below:

A copy of Government Issued Photo ID (in some cases front and back depending on the doc)
A selfie of themselves holding the ID doc
A bank statement/Utility Bill

Yeah, pretty fair: give me 2K with no questions, but you won't be able to get a penny without fulfilling the rules. I'ts a regulatory joke. Even is a gambler trap: " I'll try to make it a big ammount so it's worth it to do the paperwork, then you loose. Unacceptable

That's why it's important to read the terms and condition of this online casinos before doing anything or using them, they mostly do this not to scare users away from verification cause they know that the moment your money is with them you have no other choice than to do the kyc verification.

And sometimes it's for safety cause scammers also use them to keep funds.

terms and conditions sometimes changes overtime mate specially if casino are scams and
that is what you need to understand so to not falling from that term strategy though only few
casino has this but some casino are hiding their Terms specially in KYC thing just for their plans
in taking advantage of gamblers.
and this is also the reason why we need to share every experience we had in each casino
so others can be safer.