Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw

[danadc]

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this.
 
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I'll share the site since so much people is asking, but I guess this is usual:
https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/ with a referal who leads you to the domain you'll be logged

In FAQ you find it clearly: https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/faq/

Do I have to submit any documents when depositing money?
There are no documents needed for making a deposit at El Royale Casino. However, in some rare cases, we might ask you to provide a Credit Card Validation form to ensure the safety of your transactions.

How do I request a payout?
After you have submitted all the necessary documents for proving your identity, you will be able to request a payout in the Cashier section of your account. If you are using your mobile device, you need to go to “Menu,” and then to the section “Payout”.

El Royale is operated by Wonder Play Company N.V. having its office in Willemstad, Curacao. Company Registration number 162233.

When a user makes an aggregate lifetime total of deposits exceeding USD 2000 or requests a withdrawal of any amount at El Royale, they are obliged to undergo a full KYC procedure, wherein the user shall submit some basic details about themselves and then upload the files listed below:

A copy of Government Issued Photo ID (in some cases front and back depending on the doc)
A selfie of themselves holding the ID doc
A bank statement/Utility Bill

Yeah, pretty fair: give me 2K with no questions, but you won't be able to get a penny without fulfilling the rules. I'ts a regulatory joke. Even is a gambler trap: " I'll try to make it a big ammount so it's worth it to do the paperwork, then you loose. Unacceptable

Sure, your point really cuts to the heart of it. KYC, isn’t about casinos singling anyone out for special scrutiny. It’s just standard practice to keep things on the up and up, ensuring that the gaming environment is safe and legal for everyone involved. If the KYC process seems too much, it’s a reminder that participating in gambling is a choice. Not up for it? There’s always the option to step away or look into decentralized casinos, which might offer a different approach to privacy and security.
At the end of the day, it’s about finding a place where you’re comfortable with the rules of the game.

No current casino is synonymous with doing things under a KYC process that is not mandatory, for that reason centralized casinos are demanding with KYC, this is something that we do not like, because it ends privacy and anonymity, before in In 2017 there was no such problem, everything was legal while the requirement was almost not made, and the truth is that those who started with this requirement were the Exchanges, and that was something that we practically had to do, because I had a problem with a deposit for In order for them to provide support, they had to complete the KYC.

The casinos currently do not do that, everything is with verifications, and the worst thing is that the verifications because they are not done on time are reflected when making a withdrawal and take a long time to approve it, in most times It's like that.

[panjul07]

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We have to look for information on feedback from active gamblers at that casino and join the telegram group if available, we have to ask old members for withdrawal and KYC information and if they say there is no KYC obligation for withdrawals then we can join that casino, but make sure not to join a new casino because their rules can easily change without notice and the same thing will happen again.

I still stick to the top choices of popular casinos to avoid casino scams and unfair games, popular casinos remain consistent with the conditions and conditions that have been set, if they require KYC for acceptance then they have added that regulation to the regulatory point.

If the casino has no mandatory KYC then you will get 2 different answers from active gamblers at that casino because when KYC is not mandatory, casino may ask it for some players and may not ask it for some others.
When casino stated in their terms that they reserve the right to ask KYC anytime, we as players should be ready for it anytime especially when it comes to withdrawal.
In other words, we can say that KYC will be high likely requested.
For those who are strictly against KYC in online casino, simply do not play online gambling or try to find 100% KYC free casinos, it does exist but it is rare.

[boyptc]

I still stick to the top choices of popular casinos to avoid casino scams and unfair games, popular casinos remain consistent with the conditions and conditions that have been set, if they require KYC for acceptance then they have added that regulation to the regulatory point.

That's the best thing that a gambler can do if it's about choosing a casino. There are too many options but many of them as well can be better than the others who don't really have concern to their players.

And some may turn out into a scam and can give you headache when you're about to withdraw your money.

KYC is normal nowadays but those casinos that offers no kyc are the best choice that someone can have for playing fair and square upon withdrawals.

[mak013]

That's the best thing that a gambler can do if it's about choosing a casino. There are too many options but many of them as well can be better than the others who don't really have concern to their players.

And some may turn out into a scam and can give you headache when you're about to withdraw your money.

KYC is normal nowadays but those casinos that offers no kyc are the best choice that someone can have for playing fair and square upon withdrawals.

I don`t understand what connection is between KYC and fair play and withdrawals? The KYC can`t help you if the casino cheats and the same time casino without KYC can`t guarantee you fair play. There are nice casinos with KYC and fair play, there are the same casinos without KYC. The only difference, as for me - that it is easier to choose the casino with KYC. So just decide is you afraid of KYC or not and choose the casino.

[danadc]

That's the best thing that a gambler can do if it's about choosing a casino. There are too many options but many of them as well can be better than the others who don't really have concern to their players.

And some may turn out into a scam and can give you headache when you're about to withdraw your money.

KYC is normal nowadays but those casinos that offers no kyc are the best choice that someone can have for playing fair and square upon withdrawals.

I don`t understand what connection is between KYC and fair play and withdrawals? The KYC can`t help you if the casino cheats and the same time casino without KYC can`t guarantee you fair play. There are nice casinos with KYC and fair play, there are the same casinos without KYC. The only difference, as for me - that it is easier to choose the casino with KYC. So just decide is you afraid of KYC or not and choose the casino.

What I think about this is that people don't like casinos with KYC very much, because they are casinos that one thinks may be legal or because they are transparent, but there are many casinos that are like that and that are not like that, the problem is With KYC it is because many of us do not like to leave our data, because there is always the risk that it can be hacked and everything goes wrong, that is a fact, that is what we try to avoid, for that reason it is that when Being in a casino, as a player, you take many risks, those risks make the difference when playing.

When I'm in a casino, the first thing I do is ask support where I need to do KYC to be able to withdraw, because I don't like that and then I can't withdraw my money.

[boyptc]

That's the best thing that a gambler can do if it's about choosing a casino. There are too many options but many of them as well can be better than the others who don't really have concern to their players.

And some may turn out into a scam and can give you headache when you're about to withdraw your money.

KYC is normal nowadays but those casinos that offers no kyc are the best choice that someone can have for playing fair and square upon withdrawals.

I don`t understand what connection is between KYC and fair play and withdrawals? The KYC can`t help you if the casino cheats and the same time casino without KYC can`t guarantee you fair play. There are nice casinos with KYC and fair play, there are the same casinos without KYC. The only difference, as for me - that it is easier to choose the casino with KYC. So just decide is you afraid of KYC or not and choose the casino.

You're only looking at the part that the casino might cheat you. But most of the casinos nowadays will ask for your kyc when your withdrawals are enormous.

Most of the gamblers don't like to process with the verification but many of us as well have just accepted it as if it's a normal thing.

And about the casinos that I am telling as a scam, it's totally about them being a scam and won't allow you to withdraw and not to cheat on a fair play.

[Ben Barubal]

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We have to look for information on feedback from active gamblers at that casino and join the telegram group if available, we have to ask old members for withdrawal and KYC information and if they say there is no KYC obligation for withdrawals then we can join that casino, but make sure not to join a new casino because their rules can easily change without notice and the same thing will happen again.

I still stick to the top choices of popular casinos to avoid casino scams and unfair games, popular casinos remain consistent with the conditions and conditions that have been set, if they require KYC for acceptance then they have added that regulation to the regulatory point.

If the casino has no mandatory KYC then you will get 2 different answers from active gamblers at that casino because when KYC is not mandatory, casino may ask it for some players and may not ask it for some others.
When casino stated in their terms that they reserve the right to ask KYC anytime, we as players should be ready for it anytime especially when it comes to withdrawal.
In other words, we can say that KYC will be high likely requested.
For those who are strictly against KYC in online casino, simply do not play online gambling or try to find 100% KYC free casinos, it does exist but it is rare.

     Most of the time, it is not really mandatory if the casino is not centralized. The difficult thing here is that it is not legal to ask for KYC from gamblers. The chances are very high that our KYC will be used for bad purposes, and that's a scary thing to look at, in my opinion.

     The KYC only becomes mandatory when a casino platform makes a demand, and when it comes to situations like this, we really can't do anything because they hold our funds, and at any moment they can hold them and block our accounts. and it has happened many times to other gamblers in this field of crypto space.

[Wiwo]

     Most of the time, it is not really mandatory if the casino is not centralized. The difficult thing here is that it is not legal to ask for KYC from gamblers. The chances are very high that our KYC will be used for bad purposes, and that's a scary thing to look at, in my opinion.

Some part of this statement is wrong, like where you mentioned that kyc demands is illegal,  that is not true a.d infact the government regulations is what bring in kyc and even though chances are there for those kyc document to be used for illegal deal that is if the data is leaked,  but such situations is very hard to happen unless when and in case of hack.

     The KYC only becomes mandatory when a casino platform makes a demand, and when it comes to situations like this, we really can't do anything because they hold our funds, and at any moment they can hold them and block our accounts. and it has happened many times to other gamblers in this field of crypto space.

I think majority and all the centralized casinos are mandated to collect kyc of their users but their are criteria that is followed to accomplished that in some instances,  since not all casinos ask for kyc outrightly unless there is need for that.

[Fatunad]

That's the best thing that a gambler can do if it's about choosing a casino. There are too many options but many of them as well can be better than the others who don't really have concern to their players.

And some may turn out into a scam and can give you headache when you're about to withdraw your money.

KYC is normal nowadays but those casinos that offers no kyc are the best choice that someone can have for playing fair and square upon withdrawals.

I don`t understand what connection is between KYC and fair play and withdrawals? The KYC can`t help you if the casino cheats and the same time casino without KYC can`t guarantee you fair play. There are nice casinos with KYC and fair play, there are the same casinos without KYC. The only difference, as for me - that it is easier to choose the casino with KYC. So just decide is you afraid of KYC or not and choose the casino.

You're only looking at the part that the casino might cheat you. But most of the casinos nowadays will ask for your kyc when your withdrawals are enormous.

Most of the gamblers don't like to process with the verification but many of us as well have just accepted it as if it's a normal thing.

And about the casinos that I am telling as a scam, it's totally about them being a scam and won't allow you to withdraw and not to cheat on a fair play.

Whether we do like it or not, we would really be most likely be ended up on having that regulation approach on which sooner or later they might really be making out that kind of requirement before you could really be able to play. Centralization is what make the government do really tend to do so on which we do know that they wont really be letting things to be totally be that random or anonymous. We've seen some of those anonymous casinos are really that getting their licenses and changing up their terms and conditions on which it is already that pertaining that having those kind of withdrawal threshold on which if you do be able to hit up millions then they would really be making out that kind verification which its not really that shocking thing anymore.

We might really be able to see that they might getting that more strict in the upcoming future or years ahead. This is why whether you would be dealing up with crypto or fiat
then verification is already that attached into it.

[EarnOnVictor]

That's the best thing that a gambler can do if it's about choosing a casino. There are too many options but many of them as well can be better than the others who don't really have concern to their players.

And some may turn out into a scam and can give you headache when you're about to withdraw your money.

KYC is normal nowadays but those casinos that offers no kyc are the best choice that someone can have for playing fair and square upon withdrawals.

I don`t understand what connection is between KYC and fair play and withdrawals? The KYC can`t help you if the casino cheats and the same time casino without KYC can`t guarantee you fair play. There are nice casinos with KYC and fair play, there are the same casinos without KYC. The only difference, as for me - that it is easier to choose the casino with KYC. So just decide is you afraid of KYC or not and choose the casino.

You're only looking at the part that the casino might cheat you. But most of the casinos nowadays will ask for your kyc when your withdrawals are enormous.

Most of the gamblers don't like to process with the verification but many of us as well have just accepted it as if it's a normal thing.

And about the casinos that I am telling as a scam, it's totally about them being a scam and won't allow you to withdraw and not to cheat on a fair play.

If you are a citizen of a nation where the casino operates and sends your withdrawal through a centralised system that is linked to a bank and are accountable for, the casinos may not even ask for your KYC forever. Do you know why? It's because if a person could have a bank account or a credit/debit card that was issued by a viable bank in some countries, the issue is almost entirely solved. Just like in my country, you can't operate a bank account without your BVN and NIN, and these two are powerful enough to trace you at any time because they have all your details as possible as it could, including your entire biometrics.

If the gambler did not want to bother himself with an additional KYC completion with a local company, that grace is possible. So such should stick to the local casino if it is possible in his country. These casinos will not even call themselves a no-KYC, but still, they will not ask you for the KYC because you've indirectly done it through another trusted company. However, when you are dealing with cross-border casinos on the internet, it is required that you do the KYC. This is irrelevant of whether they asked it when you file for a withdrawal or not, it must be obeyed and I wonder why people do not complete this KYC right immediately after registration instead of crying foul later.

But for your last paragraph, whose side are you? Casinos can cheat their customers while playing or deny withdrawal, the two are common, so we should just pray we are not a victim and try our best to gamble with the right casinos.

[boyptc]

You're only looking at the part that the casino might cheat you. But most of the casinos nowadays will ask for your kyc when your withdrawals are enormous.

Most of the gamblers don't like to process with the verification but many of us as well have just accepted it as if it's a normal thing.

And about the casinos that I am telling as a scam, it's totally about them being a scam and won't allow you to withdraw and not to cheat on a fair play.

If you are a citizen of a nation where the casino operates and sends your withdrawal through a centralised system that is linked to a bank and are accountable for, the casinos may not even ask for your KYC forever. Do you know why? It's because if a person could have a bank account or a credit/debit card that was issued by a viable bank in some countries, the issue is almost entirely solved. Just like in my country, you can't operate a bank account without your BVN and NIN, and these two are powerful enough to trace you at any time because they have all your details as possible as it could, including your entire biometrics.

Why talk about bank account where you're a crypto gambler. I know that there are gamblers that still does their deposit through their cc or bank deposits but most of the banks are refraining their customers to do transactions related to gambling.

But for your last paragraph, whose side are you? Casinos can cheat their customers while playing or deny withdrawal, the two are common, so we should just pray we are not a victim and try our best to gamble with the right casinos.

I am on the side of who's right, whether a casino or a player, we're all on the same side and that's about being fair to all.

While we see some players that do complain about being cheated by the casino. In many cases, there are investigations given that these complainants were the one that actually cheat the casinos system.

[mak013]

I don`t understand what connection is between KYC and fair play and withdrawals? The KYC can`t help you if the casino cheats and the same time casino without KYC can`t guarantee you fair play. There are nice casinos with KYC and fair play, there are the same casinos without KYC. The only difference, as for me - that it is easier to choose the casino with KYC. So just decide is you afraid of KYC or not and choose the casino.

What I think about this is that people don't like casinos with KYC very much, because they are casinos that one thinks may be legal or because they are transparent, but there are many casinos that are like that and that are not like that, the problem is With KYC it is because many of us do not like to leave our data, because there is always the risk that it can be hacked and everything goes wrong, that is a fact, that is what we try to avoid, for that reason it is that when Being in a casino, as a player, you take many risks, those risks make the difference when playing.

When I'm in a casino, the first thing I do is ask support where I need to do KYC to be able to withdraw, because I don't like that and then I can't withdraw my money.

I understand it. And i tell that it is normal and every gambler can make his choice himself. I don`t see any problems with the KYC except withdrawal, so for me the first goal in the casino to KYC.

That's the best thing that a gambler can do if it's about choosing a casino. There are too many options but many of them as well can be better than the others who don't really have concern to their players.

And some may turn out into a scam and can give you headache when you're about to withdraw your money.

KYC is normal nowadays but those casinos that offers no kyc are the best choice that someone can have for playing fair and square upon withdrawals.

I don`t understand what connection is between KYC and fair play and withdrawals? The KYC can`t help you if the casino cheats and the same time casino without KYC can`t guarantee you fair play. There are nice casinos with KYC and fair play, there are the same casinos without KYC. The only difference, as for me - that it is easier to choose the casino with KYC. So just decide is you afraid of KYC or not and choose the casino.

You're only looking at the part that the casino might cheat you. But most of the casinos nowadays will ask for your kyc when your withdrawals are enormous.

Most of the gamblers don't like to process with the verification but many of us as well have just accepted it as if it's a normal thing.

And about the casinos that I am telling as a scam, it's totally about them being a scam and won't allow you to withdraw and not to cheat on a fair play.

That`s why i several times said here that the problem is that the KYC is not during the registration. But we can`t do anything with it - the main part of casinos use this cheat and it is a problem to find casino, where you can KYC when you want.
As i said - i decided this problem with several small withdrawals when i just started. After one of them the casino mostly KYC me.

[Hatchy]

     Most of the time, it is not really mandatory if the casino is not centralized. The difficult thing here is that it is not legal to ask for KYC from gamblers. The chances are very high that our KYC will be used for bad purposes, and that's a scary thing to look at, in my opinion.

     The KYC only becomes mandatory when a casino platform makes a demand, and when it comes to situations like this, we really can't do anything because they hold our funds, and at any moment they can hold them and block our accounts. and it has happened many times to other gamblers in this field of crypto space.

How exactly is it not legally demanded to ask for kyc. Hope you understand that the know your customer was implemented by government bodies and if Centralized casinos doesn't follow these regulations made by the governments, they may face legal consequences. Yes our kyc might be sold by these people but it's no illegal. In situations where kyc becomes a reason for them to hold ones funds, is when you probably have a data mismatch and having funds left in your casino account.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Well, of course, I still live in the real world and understand quite well what is happening.  
Therefore, of course, now this vision of dividing crypto payments into completely legal and anonymous and equally completely legal but personalized seems completely fantastic and is not feasible in the practice of casinos and exchanges, and banks too.  But I think that this question still faces humanity simply based on the very nature of man, who has the right to hide some of his personal data or views on life.  By the way, this is very relevant in various repressive political regimes, where it can be simply dangerous due to the possible consequences for human life itself.  
But no one can forbid a person to think as he considers correct and fair.  The element of anonymous payments is only a tiny part of this manifestation of freedom and respect for human rights.  And legislators will not be able to completely ignore such a request from society, no matter how hard they try in their actions to establish total control over the individual.  In any case, I believe that the issue of the anonymity of cryptocurrency payments will still be resolved positively.  But perhaps not very soon, maybe after 2 generations of the planet’s inhabitants.

I believe that we should always have freedom at all times, it is good to Always do what is necessary to keep things that we want secret, because it is a Right, of course all this has been based since many years ago, in fact What happened with Snowden was the Uncovering of a pot that had everything very well kept by the US government, and since the Programmer had all those secrets, he released them to the world, really, giberonos, everyone in themselves has their bad part , they do not like it, nor do they want to leave others with the freedom of anonymity and Privacy , that is something that does not suit them, so starting to Control through the casinos and exchanges is the best and easiest solution, why another strategy? difficult.

[boyptc]

You're only looking at the part that the casino might cheat you. But most of the casinos nowadays will ask for your kyc when your withdrawals are enormous.

Most of the gamblers don't like to process with the verification but many of us as well have just accepted it as if it's a normal thing.

And about the casinos that I am telling as a scam, it's totally about them being a scam and won't allow you to withdraw and not to cheat on a fair play.

That`s why i several times said here that the problem is that the KYC is not during the registration. But we can`t do anything with it - the main part of casinos use this cheat and it is a problem to find casino, where you can KYC when you want.

Ahh, so that's the cheat that you think they've been doing. It's not actually a cheat but when you register, you should be aware that they can change their rules and terms anytime without any notice.

As i said - i decided this problem with several small withdrawals when i just started. After one of them the casino mostly KYC me.

This is what actually happens. But what is that small withdrawal that you've requested? Because those casinos that promises no kycs with small amounts shouldn't ask that.

So, I get it now why you're saying this is the cheat or scam that they do out of your frustration.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

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We have to look for information on feedback from active gamblers at that casino and join the telegram group if available, we have to ask old members for withdrawal and KYC information and if they say there is no KYC obligation for withdrawals then we can join that casino, but make sure not to join a new casino because their rules can easily change without notice and the same thing will happen again.

I still stick to the top choices of popular casinos to avoid casino scams and unfair games, popular casinos remain consistent with the conditions and conditions that have been set, if they require KYC for acceptance then they have added that regulation to the regulatory point.

If the casino has no mandatory KYC then you will get 2 different answers from active gamblers at that casino because when KYC is not mandatory, casino may ask it for some players and may not ask it for some others.
When casino stated in their terms that they reserve the right to ask KYC anytime, we as players should be ready for it anytime especially when it comes to withdrawal.
In other words, we can say that KYC will be high likely requested.
For those who are strictly against KYC in online casino, simply do not play online gambling or try to find 100% KYC free casinos, it does exist but it is rare.

     Most of the time, it is not really mandatory if the casino is not centralized. The difficult thing here is that it is not legal to ask for KYC from gamblers. The chances are very high that our KYC will be used for bad purposes, and that's a scary thing to look at, in my opinion.

     The KYC only becomes mandatory when a casino platform makes a demand, and when it comes to situations like this, we really can't do anything because they hold our funds, and at any moment they can hold them and block our accounts. and it has happened many times to other gamblers in this field of crypto space.

You are only right if the type of casino you are referring to, or taking about are decentralized casinos, which you would agree with me are not really popular and not very many gamblers use them as the moment.

But then you are completely wrong if the casino you are referring to is the centralized ones, every centralized casino that is licensed has the legal right to demand kyc verification from their customers, in fact, it's not that they have a legal right, the law makes it mandatory for them to know their customers through a government issued ID verification, so by this, you should know that some casinos are actually doing their customers good by allowing such customers to play without kyc verification, to also withdraw small amount without passing kyc verification, they only request kyc verification from customers when the player is withdrawing a huge sum of money, this they do as a measure they take against money laundering and so on.

This doesn't apply to every single centralized casino out there though, I believe that there are still some bad eggs that use the kyc to extort and steal from gamblers, but for reputable casino, demanding kyc verification from their users is completely legal, and mandatory for them according to the law.

[Jody.Drummer]

Yes, I have faced a similar problem myself. Therefore, it is correct to say that a casino deposit is just numbers on the screen. And only when you really withdraw money from the gambling platform can you consider yourself the one who really has it in his pocket. I had an unpleasant experience withdrawing money from PokerDom - this platform did not want to approve my verification for withdrawing prize money from a poker tournament. They requested different documents five times, after which they began to ignore me altogether.

Yes it is basically a fact that the amount in the casino credit is nothing more than just a number, or meaning that no matter how big the amount of your winnings but if for example you have not withdrawn all the money to your pocket then I would say that it still cannot be called a real victory, because obviously there is still the possibility of things that are not wanted to happen such as the incident you experienced where the casino made it difficult for you to make a settlement for various reasons which actually the reason is just something that will distract your mind as well as something that will be the defense of the casino itself. They will say that you made a mistake or violated a policy or rule that has been set by the casino so that with this they usually make your winnings as collateral, and actually all of these problems are unclear which in the end the scenario ends with your account being frozen, my friend has experienced something like what you experienced.

[EarnOnVictor]

You're only looking at the part that the casino might cheat you. But most of the casinos nowadays will ask for your kyc when your withdrawals are enormous.

Most of the gamblers don't like to process with the verification but many of us as well have just accepted it as if it's a normal thing.

And about the casinos that I am telling as a scam, it's totally about them being a scam and won't allow you to withdraw and not to cheat on a fair play.

If you are a citizen of a nation where the casino operates and sends your withdrawal through a centralised system that is linked to a bank and are accountable for, the casinos may not even ask for your KYC forever. Do you know why? It's because if a person could have a bank account or a credit/debit card that was issued by a viable bank in some countries, the issue is almost entirely solved. Just like in my country, you can't operate a bank account without your BVN and NIN, and these two are powerful enough to trace you at any time because they have all your details as possible as it could, including your entire biometrics.

Why talk about bank account where you're a crypto gambler. I know that there are gamblers that still does their deposit through their cc or bank deposits but most of the banks are refraining their customers to do transactions related to gambling.

Are you telling me that it is by force we deal with a crypto casino? Heck no, it is a choice. In the bid to dodge the KYC, if that is the right approach to do, why not? This is even better for some people to bet with their local casinos because they can make deposits and withdrawals almost free, wager with a very ridiculously low amount and also continue to gamble without having to go through the stress of the KYC which is the contention here. I see nothing bad in that because money is money unless you want to prove it otherwise that fiat money is not money again but something else.

But for your last paragraph, whose side are you? Casinos can cheat their customers while playing or deny withdrawal, the two are common, so we should just pray we are not a victim and try our best to gamble with the right casinos.

I am on the side of who's right, whether a casino or a player, we're all on the same side and that's about being fair to all.

It is easy to say but I doubt you are on the side of fairness. Because you can't be and still let your post reflect the fact that casinos can never cheat when the games are being played but only in the area of withdrawal.

[mak013]

You're only looking at the part that the casino might cheat you. But most of the casinos nowadays will ask for your kyc when your withdrawals are enormous.

Most of the gamblers don't like to process with the verification but many of us as well have just accepted it as if it's a normal thing.

And about the casinos that I am telling as a scam, it's totally about them being a scam and won't allow you to withdraw and not to cheat on a fair play.

That`s why i several times said here that the problem is that the KYC is not during the registration. But we can`t do anything with it - the main part of casinos use this cheat and it is a problem to find casino, where you can KYC when you want.

Ahh, so that's the cheat that you think they've been doing. It's not actually a cheat but when you register, you should be aware that they can change their rules and terms anytime without any notice.

As i said - i decided this problem with several small withdrawals when i just started. After one of them the casino mostly KYC me.

This is what actually happens. But what is that small withdrawal that you've requested? Because those casinos that promises no kycs with small amounts shouldn't ask that.

So, I get it now why you're saying this is the cheat or scam that they do out of your frustration.

I know that they can choose rules. And even without changes they tell us that they can KYC us anytime they want. The same time, they tell us that why they don`t KYC during the registration - the gamler don`t waste time and begin to play right after the first deposit. But in fact they don`t want to lose an opportunity to freeze your money any moment for KYC.

I make 1-3 bets $1-10 with some small odds, depends on minimal withdrawal. After every bet i withdraw all money.

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The casino does not ask KYC at the time of registration is to avoid new users from running to another casino because it is already faced with choices that are not liked because KYC is not something that players like even though this is no longer avoided.
And asking KYC when withdrawal of course there is a reason usually when the casino detects suspicious activities, but the reason is still unpleasant for the players and I have experienced this sometimes, and when asking the reason it was said because it detected suspicious things even though I only did normal, and What is more unpleasant sometimes casinos cannot answer the real reasons from the necessity of KYC to withdraw funds.