Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw

[LUCKMCFLY]

I don`t use social networks, but my data in internet. In my country when you create your business tax service share your data with banks, mobile phone companies sell your data, etc. As for me - if such organizations share your data - you can don`t care about KYC. Even if your data would be stolen - don`t worry, it was stolen several times before.
I care only about mobile phone(with GA) and debt/credit cards.

At this point everything is an orb, it seems privacy and anonymity is something almost Impossible to achieve, yes, in fact things with our data are Obviously already there, only sometimes one says, that for crypto issues it is better to keep a low profile , because you don't Know what things they can do or demand in the future, it is always good to try to protect yourself, even if you know little but you will try to protect yourself, it may seem Silly to seek privacy at this point, but it doesn't hurt , right?

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I don`t use social networks, but my data in internet. In my country when you create your business tax service share your data with banks, mobile phone companies sell your data, etc. As for me - if such organizations share your data - you can don`t care about KYC. Even if your data would be stolen - don`t worry, it was stolen several times before.
I care only about mobile phone(with GA) and debt/credit cards.

At this point everything is an orb, it seems privacy and anonymity is something almost Impossible to achieve, yes, in fact things with our data are Obviously already there, only sometimes one says, that for crypto issues it is better to keep a low profile , because you don't Know what things they can do or demand in the future, it is always good to try to protect yourself, even if you know little but you will try to protect yourself, it may seem Silly to seek privacy at this point, but it doesn't hurt , right?

Yeah, indeed, when it comes to crypto, it is important for both investors in crypto, traders and even crypto gamblers to keep a really low profile since crypto is still a very new technology, and as it's gaining adoption, it's mandatory or expected that regulations will follow as well, and then the regulators can come up with an unfavorable law, and when that happens, their first targets will be those whom their identity are already known to be deep into crypto.

It's just like what happened between Binance and the Nigerian government after the Nigerian government accused Binance of manipulating the Nigerian currency which caused it to lose value against the dollar, they banned Binance from trading the naira, also arrested some of Binance top executives and demand that Binance release the identify information of the top 100 Nigerian traders on their platform, as well as their entire transaction history respectively. Of course Binance refused.

But this is a big lesson for us all, keeping our true identity low key and only giving it to trusted platform is very important for our good.

[Zadicar]

I don`t use social networks, but my data in internet. In my country when you create your business tax service share your data with banks, mobile phone companies sell your data, etc. As for me - if such organizations share your data - you can don`t care about KYC. Even if your data would be stolen - don`t worry, it was stolen several times before.
I care only about mobile phone(with GA) and debt/credit cards.

At this point everything is an orb, it seems privacy and anonymity is something almost Impossible to achieve, yes, in fact things with our data are Obviously already there, only sometimes one says, that for crypto issues it is better to keep a low profile , because you don't Know what things they can do or demand in the future, it is always good to try to protect yourself, even if you know little but you will try to protect yourself, it may seem Silly to seek privacy at this point, but it doesn't hurt , right?

As much as possible then we would really be wanting on having that kind of privacy on which we do really seek off on which it would really be just that normal and this is the very reason on why
gambling in crypto space is really that making that much attention due to that anonymity thing but when years do keep passing on then we do have seen that when it comes to KYC
then these platforms are already asking it out whether before you do play and on the time that you do make a withdrawal on which it do really sucks big time but since we are making use of their
platforms and since they are regulated or centralized already then you would really be needing up to comply for you to be able to play.

Somewhat there are still places on which you could really be able to make yourself having that gambling experience without having any KYC been done.
But it wont really be that shocking that sooner or later those changes would really be that generally applied and this is something which would really be that inevitable.

[wxa7115]

Thats crazy, but the usual - Basically every FIAT casino does it like that.

As long as they have a license then something like this is bound to happen, it doesn’t matter whether there are FIAT casino or crypto casino as long as they are operating under a license they’ll surely request users to complete KYC verification at one point in time.

If you're lucky you might go on without ever being asked to submit your documents but if you're the bug fish type who wagers large amounts and wins big you'll definitely be asked to submit your KYC document verification. I believe by now all gamblers should have already released this and bear in mind that something similar would hit them - and thus be prepared in case it happens.

It may be disappointing to some people out there that we have reached this point, but it was inevitable, early on when casinos did not ask for your personal information, this was because at the time the governments were still not worried about bitcoin and the risk it represented to them.

But now things have changed, and governments are very aware that this market is growing at an impressive speed and now they want to gain as much control over it as possible, so it was obvious that such policies were coming.

[mak013]

I don`t use social networks, but my data in internet. In my country when you create your business tax service share your data with banks, mobile phone companies sell your data, etc. As for me - if such organizations share your data - you can don`t care about KYC. Even if your data would be stolen - don`t worry, it was stolen several times before.
I care only about mobile phone(with GA) and debt/credit cards.

At this point everything is an orb, it seems privacy and anonymity is something almost Impossible to achieve, yes, in fact things with our data are Obviously already there, only sometimes one says, that for crypto issues it is better to keep a low profile , because you don't Know what things they can do or demand in the future, it is always good to try to protect yourself, even if you know little but you will try to protect yourself, it may seem Silly to seek privacy at this point, but it doesn't hurt , right?

My words doesn`t mean that we must publish our data everywhere of course. There are different scam services created for collecting our data and and it isn`t only casino. But they also wants our money and it is what i don`t want to lose. So the main idea is don`t be afraid of KYC but the same time DYOR before sharing your data.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Yeah, indeed, when it comes to crypto, it is important for both investors in crypto, traders and even crypto gamblers to keep a really low profile since crypto is still a very new technology, and as it's gaining adoption, it's mandatory or expected that regulations will follow as well, and then the regulators can come up with an unfavorable law, and when that happens, their first targets will be those whom their identity are already known to be deep into crypto.

It's just like what happened between Binance and the Nigerian government after the Nigerian government accused Binance of manipulating the Nigerian currency which caused it to lose value against the dollar, they banned Binance from trading the naira, also arrested some of Binance top executives and demand that Binance release the identify information of the top 100 Nigerian traders on their platform, as well as their entire transaction history respectively. Of course Binance refused.

But this is a big lesson for us all, keeping our true identity low key and only giving it to trusted platform is very important for our good.

That is another case which can be used as a reference to the fact that even so, sites like Binance are not as safe as many people claim, Some time ago this happened in Colombia and all Colombian citizens were completely blocked Until they did an exhaustive review of each of the Largest funds of the people who were there, therefore this is something for us to be careful about,  I will always say that it is Best to have our funds in a wallet, and from there send them to a casino or something like that, but the more anonymous we are and with more privacy the Better.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

The thing is, some people think that it's only when they give out their personal information on casino sites that their details can be sold out to scammers.

No reputable casino would do that, as it would only destroy their reputation and hurt their business, which generates more money than they could earn by selling data to scammers. There's nothing to fear as long as we register with a regulated casino. They will take care of our details the best way they can, knowing they could be penalized if they leak any information.

You are right, no casino will purposely sell off their customers information to scammers because the casinos are already making too much profit from their company and I don't think their is any amount of money that scammers will offer the casino that will make them sell their customers information. Although, in some situation, it could also be possible that the staffs of the casino could be greedy to the extent that they will steal customers information from the cosino and sell it to scammers just to make extra bucks.

[Awaklara]

You are right, no casino will purposely sell off their customers information to scammers because the casinos are already making too much profit from their company and I don't think their is any amount of money that scammers will offer the casino that will make them sell their customers information. Although, in some situation, it could also be possible that the staffs of the casino could be greedy to the extent that they will steal customers information from the cosino and sell it to scammers just to make extra bucks.

there is only a small chance that it could happen at an established and still operating casino. but for casinos that might go bankrupt or be indicated as a scam, it is very possible to happen.
I have several times received incoming emails from casino platforms that I don't know. and as far as I remember, I only used that email to register for the casino, not for other activities. they offer deposit and spin bonuses on certain games, which we usually see in casino promotions to new users.

I don't mean to accuse all casinos of doing this, but I often create new casino accounts just to try surfing. maybe one or two do.

[BITCOIN4X]

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there is only a small chance that it could happen at an established and still operating casino. but for casinos that might go bankrupt or be indicated as a scam, it is very possible to happen.
I have several times received incoming emails from casino platforms that I don't know. and as far as I remember, I only used that email to register for the casino, not for other activities. they offer deposit and spin bonuses on certain games, which we usually see in casino promotions to new users.

I don't mean to accuse all casinos of doing this, but I often create new casino accounts just to try surfing. maybe one or two do.

Leaks of customer data including emails, cellphone numbers, home addresses, dates of birth are not only due to the actions of irresponsible casinos (if you have ever registered an account at a random casino). Data leaks can also occur in various ways apart from the possibility of one or two casinos selling their customers' KYC data. Casino hacking also allows data leaks and hackers to sell them on the darkmarket, it is common and has been frequent so far.

Of course we're not accusing one or two casinos of being rogue, but this has probably happened before. In fact, I quite often get messages from unknown numbers on WhatsApp about casino offers or other things, it happens and I'm never sure where they got my phone number. In the email, of course there were many offers from various sites (not only casinos), but I never got involved in them, let alone created an account.

[LUCKMCFLY]

My words doesn`t mean that we must publish our data everywhere of course. There are different scam services created for collecting our data and and it isn`t only casino. But they also wants our money and it is what i don`t want to lose. So the main idea is don`t be afraid of KYC but the same time DYOR before sharing your data.

I think that in the end our data is already on the web in some way, the thing is that it is about avoiding continuing to leave the data anywhere, if it is already there, then there is no need to update it because it is not good, each time we can have losses or gains, the idea is that they do not track us, sometimes the mixers and everything that has to do with crypto must 100% avoid the way they track us nowadays, I know that there are people in the forum who when they find out about KYC and all this, they stopped playing on the sites, and they are very radical about this issue, if they see that they can be tracked they simply do not participate, I really admire the determination of those people.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

Yes, lots of organizations do the same but don`t call it KYC and people think that it is ok, i don`t know why. You left your email address and name for one resource, name and phone for another, id for one more organization. The result is that all your data in the internet and you need someone to compare it on all these resources. It takes some time, but the result will be like the stolen KYC.

There was a video I saw on social media where someone (a hacker) sent a link to his friend asking him to register a new account on some unknown platform, but the moment that guy clicked on that link, his friend (the hacker) gained access to his device, and he was seeing everything that the guy was doing on the phone. There are even other ways that someone can unknowingly lose their private details to hackers. Although, in terms of casino, it is still the choice of a gambler whether he or she wants to willingly give out their information to the casino or not, and for a gambler that doesn't want to give off their details, the best thing is to read the casino TOs and make sure that the casino is operating free from KYC requirements. 

[paxmao]

The thing is, some people think that it's only when they give out their personal information on casino sites that their details can be sold out to scammers.

No reputable casino would do that, as it would only destroy their reputation and hurt their business, which generates more money than they could earn by selling data to scammers. There's nothing to fear as long as we register with a regulated casino. They will take care of our details the best way they can, knowing they could be penalized if they leak any information.

You are right, no casino will purposely sell off their customers information to scammers because the casinos are already making too much profit from their company and I don't think their is any amount of money that scammers will offer the casino that will make them sell their customers information. Although, in some situation, it could also be possible that the staffs of the casino could be greedy to the extent that they will steal customers information from the cosino and sell it to scammers just to make extra bucks.

The site as such is unlikely to sell the data, since it is a regulatory issue and obviously can carry legal penalties of all shorts. The site has very strong incentives to create robust processes to avoid even an accidental leak. However, in the end, organisations are made of people and people do make mistakes and sometimes may behave with loose moral principles.

[EarnOnVictor]

This seems to be a pretty serious financial problem all over the world right now.  This problem is simply caused by multiple jurisdictions that often do not synchronize financial legislation to a sufficient extent.  And issues such as protecting the rights of players who honestly win big at casinos may not work at all in some jurisdictions.  
Therefore, you are absolutely right that in many cases casino clients cannot receive the money they win.  This is especially true, of course, for those players who, for personal reasons, are forced to remain anonymous.  He simply cannot pass KYC; he is often forced to use VPN and other anonymization means.  And this, I suspect, is a fairly significant portion of all gamblers in the world.

Sorry for the cutting, it's becoming pyramidal. The whole story is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467259.msg64279807#msg64279807

For this to happen, there will be some advocacy for better transparency and justice for online activities, especially for those companies that are duly registered, even without regulation. It's unfortunate that most countries where some casinos are registered are not advanced technological-wise to even know what the casinos are doing under their jurisdictions, what they tell them they are doing is what they will agree to and when they are cheating or scamming customers one way or another, they will still believe the report of the casino since the money due to them are promptly paid, which is a very bad practice by the government.

Another big issue is that the cries of customers are not being listened to by the little regulators we have, or even the ordinary governing bodies that should have taken up the cases. Had it been cases taken with high priorities, I am sure that casinos cheating directly or with some kind of practice will reduce or stop it. This should also cover the terms and conditions that are casino-included where it's certain that the customers are being stylishly cheated.

All we want is a fair relationship with casinos, not one-sided advantage.

[mak013]

My words doesn`t mean that we must publish our data everywhere of course. There are different scam services created for collecting our data and and it isn`t only casino. But they also wants our money and it is what i don`t want to lose. So the main idea is don`t be afraid of KYC but the same time DYOR before sharing your data.

I think that in the end our data is already on the web in some way, the thing is that it is about avoiding continuing to leave the data anywhere, if it is already there, then there is no need to update it because it is not good, each time we can have losses or gains, the idea is that they do not track us, sometimes the mixers and everything that has to do with crypto must 100% avoid the way they track us nowadays, I know that there are people in the forum who when they find out about KYC and all this, they stopped playing on the sites, and they are very radical about this issue, if they see that they can be tracked they simply do not participate, I really admire the determination of those people.

My main idea is that KYC isnt a problem. We mustn't care about our data. We must care about our critical data - CVV, 2FA, and everything about it. Without our phone today it is impossible catch your money. If you think about it.

Yes, lots of organizations do the same but don`t call it KYC and people think that it is ok, i don`t know why. You left your email address and name for one resource, name and phone for another, id for one more organization. The result is that all your data in the internet and you need someone to compare it on all these resources. It takes some time, but the result will be like the stolen KYC.

There was a video I saw on social media where someone (a hacker) sent a link to his friend asking him to register a new account on some unknown platform, but the moment that guy clicked on that link, his friend (the hacker) gained access to his device, and he was seeing everything that the guy was doing on the phone. There are even other ways that someone can unknowingly lose their private details to hackers. Although, in terms of casino, it is still the choice of a gambler whether he or she wants to willingly give out their information to the casino or not, and for a gambler that doesn't want to give off their details, the best thing is to read the casino TOs and make sure that the casino is operating free from KYC requirements. 

Care about your phone and card numbers. If nobody can make any operation with your cards without SMS(for example) - your money will be safe.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

You are right, no casino will purposely sell off their customers information to scammers because the casinos are already making too much profit from their company and I don't think their is any amount of money that scammers will offer the casino that will make them sell their customers information. Although, in some situation, it could also be possible that the staffs of the casino could be greedy to the extent that they will steal customers information from the cosino and sell it to scammers just to make extra bucks.

there is only a small chance that it could happen at an established and still operating casino. but for casinos that might go bankrupt or be indicated as a scam, it is very possible to happen.
I have several times received incoming emails from casino platforms that I don't know. and as far as I remember, I only used that email to register for the casino, not for other activities. they offer deposit and spin bonuses on certain games, which we usually see in casino promotions to new users.

I don't mean to accuse all casinos of doing this, but I often create new casino accounts just to try surfing. maybe one or two do.

Yes, it's possible that a few casinos can do that, but what I was thinking was that some casino employees can actually sell off customer details without the consent of the casino owner. Take, for example, if a casino employs someone who becomes greedy after hearing the offer that scammers are granting him, he can sell the details of some customers. Lately, there was an incident that happened and was discussed here. It was about a bodyguard to a prime minister or so who got inside information about the date of the election and went on to bet on the date. That is how some casino employees can be; they can actually sell your email to scammers or to other casino owners for the purpose of marketing. 

[Nwada001]

You are right, no casino will purposely sell off their customers information to scammers because the casinos are already making too much profit from their company and I don't think their is any amount of money that scammers will offer the casino that will make them sell their customers information. Although, in some situation, it could also be possible that the staffs of the casino could be greedy to the extent that they will steal customers information from the cosino and sell it to scammers just to make extra bucks.

Unless the casino is not actually out there to last for a long time, like they are not seeing enough profit from the business, too much winning, which is already exhausting their reserve on their first time of starting such a thing, if they want to exist, they can warrant the sale of customer information.
 
Another occasion where the selling of customer information can be done in the casino is by one of the staff members having a side deal with scammers. Without the legal concept of the casino's own, they can pick out a few user details they consider valuable and sell them off in exchange for whatever price they are being offered.

[avp2306]

You are right, no casino will purposely sell off their customers information to scammers because the casinos are already making too much profit from their company and I don't think their is any amount of money that scammers will offer the casino that will make them sell their customers information. Although, in some situation, it could also be possible that the staffs of the casino could be greedy to the extent that they will steal customers information from the cosino and sell it to scammers just to make extra bucks.

Unless the casino is not actually out there to last for a long time, like they are not seeing enough profit from the business, too much winning, which is already exhausting their reserve on their first time of starting such a thing, if they want to exist, they can warrant the sale of customer information.
 
Another occasion where the selling of customer information can be done in the casino is by one of the staff members having a side deal with scammers. Without the legal concept of the casino's own, they can pick out a few user details they consider valuable and sell them off in exchange for whatever price they are being offered.

If there casino is running good then for sure that provably they will not do any something illegal since that could provably trigger some hate and their reputation will get ruined with that actions. Then it would lead to a destruction on their casino so provably that actions most like not done by profitable casino just like what we see on trusted casinos in this forum. If we look at the profit gain by successful casino for sure they are more earning a lot of money from their business and for sure selling costumers details will just give them few bucks so they would provably not look at that option since it will just ruin everything what they built for many years. Unless the platform creator is just for identity fishing then story goes different with that situation.

Although we cannot close the possibilities that this actions might really happen that's why its important to select a good casino or a big running casino so that we can avoid those incident since its very dangerous if those scammers will have our private details since they can use it for whatever illegal situations.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

You are right, no casino will purposely sell off their customers information to scammers because the casinos are already making too much profit from their company and I don't think their is any amount of money that scammers will offer the casino that will make them sell their customers information. Although, in some situation, it could also be possible that the staffs of the casino could be greedy to the extent that they will steal customers information from the cosino and sell it to scammers just to make extra bucks.

Unless the casino is not actually out there to last for a long time, like they are not seeing enough profit from the business, too much winning, which is already exhausting their reserve on their first time of starting such a thing, if they want to exist, they can warrant the sale of customer information.
 
Another occasion where the selling of customer information can be done in the casino is by one of the staff members having a side deal with scammers. Without the legal concept of the casino's own, they can pick out a few user details they consider valuable and sell them off in exchange for whatever price they are being offered.

 That was what I was just telling some one yesterday in our discussion on this topic. I recall the incident that happen some weeks ago about a guard to a prime minister. You can read my first comment above yours and  you will understand better what am saying. There are some greedy staff that can involve in such dubious attitude without minding the risk they are putting on the customer whose details was sold.

[Onyeeze]

The thing is, some people think that it's only when they give out their personal information on casino sites that their details can be sold out to scammers.

No reputable casino would do that, as it would only destroy their reputation and hurt their business, which generates more money than they could earn by selling data to scammers. There's nothing to fear as long as we register with a regulated casino. They will take care of our details the best way they can, knowing they could be penalized if they leak any information.

You are right, no casino will purposely sell off their customers information to scammers because the casinos are already making too much profit from their company and I don't think their is any amount of money that scammers will offer the casino that will make them sell their customers information. Although, in some situation, it could also be possible that the staffs of the casino could be greedy to the extent that they will steal customers information from the cosino and sell it to scammers just to make extra bucks.

I agree with you because any platform neither exchange or gambling platform that sell out their customer information to scammers that is a process of bringing down the particular platform so I know quite well that many people do owns a platform does not like to review it to external people so that they are platform will you continue to have a traffic so I believe that that is one of the reasons no team of a casino gambling platform that will be able to review their secret to any scammer because it you really in danger their platform so I believe that if then try that it will cost a lot of damage to them reputation will not be valued

[Juse14]

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If there casino is running good then for sure that provably they will not do any something illegal since that could provably trigger some hate and their reputation will get ruined with that actions. Then it would lead to a destruction on their casino so provably that actions most like not done by profitable casino just like what we see on trusted casinos in this forum. If we look at the profit gain by successful casino for sure they are more earning a lot of money from their business and for sure selling costumers details will just give them few bucks so they would provably not look at that option since it will just ruin everything what they built for many years. Unless the platform creator is just for identity fishing then story goes different with that situation.

Although we cannot close the possibilities that this actions might really happen that's why its important to select a good casino or a big running casino so that we can avoid those incident since its very dangerous if those scammers will have our private details since they can use it for whatever illegal situations.

The logic is sound, given the potential impact on their reputation and business viability. Casinos that are deemed reputable and profitable (as frequently deliberated upon in forums) would be more inclined to uphold their integrity, rather than engaging in illicit activities that could incite animosity and lead to downfall.

Casinos that are successful do not generate their income by selling customer details. Instead, such an action would bring only small revenues compared to the risks involved which could mean losing everything that they have worked for over the years. It's thus unlikely that they would even consider it as an option because it can only lead them to ruin, unless, of course, the platform was established specifically for identity theft; in that case, things would be different.

Though we cannot entirely dismiss the possibility of illicit actions, it is imperative that we select a reputable casino known to be secure. Opting for a well-established and widely trusted casino would help us steer clear of situations where our personal information lands in unauthorized hands, an act that can lead to further unlawful incidents.