2024 U.S. Presidential Election Bets!

[TwitchySeal]

Continue with something similar with the Biden administration or a unpredictable administration that might put the world in danger of nuclear war?

Sorry to interject out of nowhere, but nuclear war is pretty well guaranteed at this point. All the tensions we have seen so far haven't even taken into account water scarcity yet.      

It seems that yes, a nuclear war is imminent if the Biden way is used again by the elected leader, seeing that diplomatic relations in the Biden administration were very bad, tensions were mounting especially with Russia + China and the double standards they did that made many people angry about US alignments during the Biden period and if I was not mistaken, Arabs did not require oil buyers to use dollars anymore.

So do you think Trump or Harris sir can handle all these crises?

Hey remember when Trump told the country that Covid-19 was a "democratic hoax" and made wearing a mask and staying home political and then it killed almost 1 million Americans?

[bitgolden]

I mean Russia will probably not be strong enough to decide who is the president. Could they do something? Well they can use bots to promote their candidates, btu bots on social media? I mean sure maybe a few votes at best, but not like enough to make someone president at all.

Or maybe donations via some third parties? Sure, but I honestly do not think that they would be stupid enough to pay hundreds of millions, maybe couple millions at best. So all in all, Russia doesn't matter. I am saying this as someone who thinks Kamala would be better, and even I do not think Russia is a threat.

Because if Trump comes in power, he will stop the payments to Ukraine and any help, he said so himself , and find a peace talk, which will include basically giving Russia whatever they want, whereas Kamala forces to pay even more to Ukraine to keep fighting, so they do not lose, and this doesn't help Russia. So Russia clearly supports Trump, and lies about supporting kamala, but in reality neither matters because we are talking about a situation where it is not going to end up with anything decent in anytime soon, it is not really looking like something that will matter, Russia doesn't have that power at all.

[pawel7777]

Millionaires hiding their income in non-taxable forms such as assets is a trick that they have utilized for far too long and the capitalist establishment was more than willing to afford them the freedom to do that. Now Kamala has shown willingness to end that and this is going to send a big precedent worldwide. If millionaires can't hide their wealth in the US, the forefront of capitalism, soon all of the world's large economies are bound to follow.

This was a common sense policy and should have been there from the start, but at least they figured now that economic inequality had widened so much people are starving while billionaires are getting a larger piece of the pie year after year only for the handful bunch that they are.

3 questions:

1 - what ways of millionaires "hiding" their income are you talking about specifically and what Kamala intends to do about it?
2 - why hasn't she done it yet? She/Biden have been in the office for the last 4 years and still are. Why wait till after the elections?
3 - do you believe the billionaires in the likes of Bloomberg, Hoffman, Eychaner, Simons etc who donate tens of millions yearly to the Democratic party would be doing so if they seriously thought they would have their wealth slashed and redistributed? Not to mention multi-millionaires within the party itself.

[alani123]

The rich class and them not being taxed on assets actually play a major role in inflation too, therefore disadvantaging everyone else while they keep getting richer and paying nothing back. Elon musk was able to buy Twitter by getting a loan based on his stocks. Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg and so many more of the billionaires never pay any tax or pay very miniscule tax because so far unrealized gains were not taxed.

In the USA it was considered radical to tax unrealized gains, but it's actually a common sense measure. The more Trump tries to push back on it the more votes he will lose, because more and more people are having a harder time surviving now while the rich class pays no tax so far... It's ridiculous to try and defend this from Trump's side and unless he also comes up with some equally popular measures I'm certain he will lose the election.

[wheelz1200]

The rich class and them not being taxed on assets actually play a major role in inflation too, therefore disadvantaging everyone else while they keep getting richer and paying nothing back. Elon musk was able to buy Twitter by getting a loan based on his stocks. Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg and so many more of the billionaires never pay any tax or pay very miniscule tax because so far unrealized gains were not taxed.

In the USA it was considered radical to tax unrealized gains, but it's actually a common sense measure. The more Trump tries to push back on it the more votes he will lose, because more and more people are having a harder time surviving now while the rich class pays no tax so far... It's ridiculous to try and defend this from Trump's side and unless he also comes up with some equally popular measures I'm certain he will lose the election.

Inflation and what the politicians are saying is all smoke and mirrors. Covid hit, we printed a zillion new dollars and now inflation spiked who would have guessed.  The US printed more money after covid than any other time in history, it's simple economics.  More circulating money means it's worth less amd you need more to buy the same things.  They try to use it as a way to pin it against each other when in reality it's both parties fault.

[STT]

Unfortunately that is the case, this is no clear cut absolute bad and good between the two.  The worst things true in politics have been passed and continued by both parties.   Trump is just a character, its what the administration and the party over all is doing that causes harm.

A good point I heard recently is that despite what people might fear, its very likely the power will be split between either side.  They wont control both houses etc.  so ironically the amount of damage possible will be limited.

In the USA it was considered radical to tax unrealized gains, but it's actually a common sense measure.

I think the most damage possible here is if they start to levy these advanced tax capture laws to individual people.  If its a process bought against businesses or similar entities then they can defend themselves (if applicable) and less harm will occur.   The richest people are not trading directly they use some kind of company or trust to handle the taxes so they would have to navigate this law but I dont think its something extra the average family should have to worry about; hopefully IRS stay away from that possibility in any implementation I haven't read the small print which might matter most.

[TwitchySeal]

The rich class and them not being taxed on assets actually play a major role in inflation too, therefore disadvantaging everyone else while they keep getting richer and paying nothing back. Elon musk was able to buy Twitter by getting a loan based on his stocks. Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg and so many more of the billionaires never pay any tax or pay very miniscule tax because so far unrealized gains were not taxed.

In the USA it was considered radical to tax unrealized gains, but it's actually a common sense measure. The more Trump tries to push back on it the more votes he will lose, because more and more people are having a harder time surviving now while the rich class pays no tax so far... It's ridiculous to try and defend this from Trump's side and unless he also comes up with some equally popular measures I'm certain he will lose the election.

Inflation and what the politicians are saying is all smoke and mirrors. Covid hit, we printed a zillion new dollars and now inflation spiked who would have guessed.  The US printed more money after covid than any other time in history, it's simple economics.  More circulating money means it's worth less amd you need more to buy the same things.  They try to use it as a way to pin it against each other when in reality it's both parties fault.

You do understand that there would have been different consequences if they didn't hand out all that money, right?  

If you compare the US post covid economic recovery to the rest of the world, it's pretty clear that they (both Trump and Biden administrations) did something right.  Inflation sucks, but honestly Americans in general need to look around once in a while and appreciate what they have.

[wheelz1200]

The rich class and them not being taxed on assets actually play a major role in inflation too, therefore disadvantaging everyone else while they keep getting richer and paying nothing back. Elon musk was able to buy Twitter by getting a loan based on his stocks. Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg and so many more of the billionaires never pay any tax or pay very miniscule tax because so far unrealized gains were not taxed.

In the USA it was considered radical to tax unrealized gains, but it's actually a common sense measure. The more Trump tries to push back on it the more votes he will lose, because more and more people are having a harder time surviving now while the rich class pays no tax so far... It's ridiculous to try and defend this from Trump's side and unless he also comes up with some equally popular measures I'm certain he will lose the election.

Inflation and what the politicians are saying is all smoke and mirrors. Covid hit, we printed a zillion new dollars and now inflation spiked who would have guessed.  The US printed more money after covid than any other time in history, it's simple economics.  More circulating money means it's worth less amd you need more to buy the same things.  They try to use it as a way to pin it against each other when in reality it's both parties fault.

You do understand that there would have been different consequences if they didn't hand out all that money, right?  

If you compare the US post covid economic recovery to the rest of the world, it's pretty clear that they (both Trump and Biden administrations) did something right.  Inflation sucks, but honestly Americans in general need to look around once in a while and appreciate what they have.

I never said they couldn't have done that.  My point was simply we printed the most fiat then we ever have in the history of the US.  Of course inflation is going to spike.  My point was they blame each other when in reality it was both of them.  Ypu are using inflation as a tool to separate people and is not driven by either of theor policies.  We printed more money simple.

[bbc.reporter]

It might be because for them, what business does America have over Russia and Ukraine?

That's a good question.

In exchange for Ukraine giving up it's Soviet Nuclear Weapons in 1994, America, Russia and the UK signed an agreement to respect Ukraine borders and as a sovereign country, and also to guarantee security to Ukraine as a non nuclear state, should they come under attack or threat by a Nuclear power.

America should be the peace keeping diplomats, I reckon. They should not support war being the stronger superpower but their military should answer in force if no one wants peace.

What you're really saying is that after convincing Ukraine to give up it's nukes, and promise to keep them safe, America should refuse to help Ukraine while being attacked by Russia.  
The whole peacekeeping, anti-war stance is really just "I support Russian Imperialism".
It's really not just about Ukraine.  The reason for NATO existing today is because they were worried that Russia would do what Putin has been trying to do for the last couple decades.  

You: "But US invaded smaller countries too"

Imagine George W Bush never left office and was still looking for any excuse to invade today.  Now look at Putin.

However, this treaty is nothing because Russia attacked Ukraine and Putin threatens to use nuclear weapons if Ukraine joins NATO. He has also mentioned that their actions on nuclear launch will be very fast. It will not be formula 1 fast, it will be hypersonic. What will the next administration's roadmap for this war?

Also, it appears that you did not understand the argument. America as the peace keeper but by backed by a full military occupation by the USA in Ukraine if Putin creates an attempt to invade might give him second thoughts.

You mention George W Bush hehehe. If he was president, Putin might not invade Ukraine. I speculate that one of the reasons that encouraged Putin to invade Ukraine is because the president of America is presently very weak. I wish the next American leader will be a peace maker but threaten full military control of Ukraine to discourage Putin.

So you think America should consider the agreement to protect Ukraine in exchange for giving up their nukes void because Russia, who signed the same agreement, attacked Ukraine.

And you also think Biden should have stacked up US troops on the Russia/Ukraine border while they were trading rocket attacks and Putin was stacking up Russian forces on his side of the same border.

It seems like your primary goal is to argue that any decision Biden made was the wrong decision, and any decision Trump has made, or has said he will make, is the correct decision, and the only way to get there is if you ignore the downsides of what Trump says he will do and the downsides of  what you say Biden should have done but didn't.

The downside to Biden stacking up US troops in Ukraine while Putin is preparing to invade is nuclear war.  The upside is Putin backs down, and yes, that would be the absolute best outcome, but with two nuclear powers staring each other down on the border of Russia while rockets are flying, part of the risk is a new war starts by accident due to a stray rocket or a miscommunication.  So if you're in Bidens shoes in Feb 2022 how sure would you need to be to take that risk?  Would you do it if there was a 90% chance of not starting a nuclear war with Russia?  95%?  

Do you understand what the downside to cutting off support for Ukraine next year is?  What do you think the worst case scenario with a 10-20% possibility would be?

Also, if the rumors that Russia can manipulate the election to favor a candidate, who would Russia want to become the president and what type of administration would be easier for Russia? Continue with something similar with the Biden administration or a unpredictable administration that might put the world in danger of nuclear war?

Not rumors, he did it in 2016 to help Trump and he's doing it again right now to help Trump.  We know exactly how he did it in 2016 and we know at least part of what he's doing now.

In fact many of the Trump supporters in this thread, including you, are falling for the disinformation that Russia is working to spread.

The argument is that Putin will not be afraid of a full American military occupation of Ukraine if he begins an invasion? You might be correct on your speculation, however, I disagree. America has the strongest military in the world and their military industrial complex produces the best weapons. The pressure will be on Putin if America has a stronger hand. It will be Putin's decision to talk on the negotiation table or see the Americans on the war zone.

It also appears that American leadership has presently become very weak if Russia has manipulated or if China can manipulate the election. My only question for this is who does Russia and China want to become America's next president? Kamala or Trump?

@everyone. On Polymarket, is the pump on Trump's ratings beginning?

[MarjorieZimmermanGinger]

Trump during his time as the president was able to implement policies that favored Americans and the economy was at a good stand which Americans commended him for. I believe he would win this elections and even do much better than his previous term in office as the President of the United States. It is left for the Americans to decide during the polls and I wish them the best of luck when choosing their president. 

Trump has led as the president of the US and the policies he implemented have greatly affected the lives of the people there for the better although not all of them can be resolved. The ability to negotiate and diplomacy is a mainstay that he does at least that's what I read in the media and how his policies affect many things. The issues of riots, lies and recession are a specter that is difficult for any president to solve.

I don't really understand how the presidential election issue is there but I read a little more that Trump might lead again after winning the election.

[OgNasty]

Still amazes me every time I see the odds and Kamala Harris is the favorite. People must be out of their minds. I’ve never seen a politician run a campaign on flooding the country with illegals, giving them all your money, and making you pay for sex changes of minors. It’s like the entire world has gone mad. I’m betting on common sense. If Trump loses then a bet is the least of our concerns.

[OcTradism]

Still amazes me every time I see the odds and Kamala Harris is the favorite. People must be out of their minds. I’ve never seen a politician run a campaign on flooding the country with illegals, giving them all your money, and making you pay for sex changes of minors. It’s like the entire world has gone mad. I’m betting on common sense. If Trump loses then a bet is the least of our concerns.

It's not surprised if you count a fact that Kamala Harris and her comrades already manipulated media in the USA. in the last 3 and a half years or ever more than these years. If they could do it recent years, they would be ready to do it more seriously when the President Election Day is only less than 2 months left.

The policy vision of Kamala and her comrades are terrible and no responsible politicians would do this for a country they're living in and if they love the nation. Kamala and her comrades simply focus on their own benefits, while the country and citizens are at bottom of their focus and to do list. Or it's fair to say they don't mind about the country future and life quality of citizens in coming years.

[Haunebu]

Still amazes me every time I see the odds and Kamala Harris is the favorite. People must be out of their minds. I’ve never seen a politician run a campaign on flooding the country with illegals, giving them all your money, and making you pay for sex changes of minors. It’s like the entire world has gone mad. I’m betting on common sense. If Trump loses then a bet is the least of our concerns.

On the contrary, people are actually using their brains properly by choosing Harris over Trump since the entire world is better off without that clown and anyone supporting him need to get their heads checked.

It's pretty evident that him and his supporters never anticipated such a reversal in their wildest dreams. Good to see Harris and the democrats surging ahead slowly and steadily.

[viljy]

Interesting. The supporters of each candidate have their own strong arguments, which are not without meaning if you think about it with an open mind. Now I doubt whether manipulation is possible on the Polymarket, not in order to cheat on bets, but in order to influence public opinion. Or is it a betting platform that doesn't allow this?

[nullama]

Interesting. The supporters of each candidate have their own strong arguments, which are not without meaning if you think about it with an open mind. Now I doubt whether manipulation is possible on the Polymarket, not in order to cheat on bets, but in order to influence public opinion. Or is it a betting platform that doesn't allow this?

Interesting, so at the moment Polymarket is giving a slight advantage to Harris.

Reading some polls I thought they were not as close, and that Harris was winning by a larger margin.

It seems that the race is really tight, and it's actually pretty much 50-50 at the moment, and anything can happen before election day.

I mean, there have been already two assassination attempt to Trump and Biden quit the race in favor of Harris, all in only a few months!

[CryptSafe]

You are right, elections would definitely come and go but the community and the people would always be there. This is the reason why it is not good to make issues and things difficult for other people when one is in power. Posterity would always have its course no matter what happens. The people always know who they want but the process never allows them get  things done properly. This is the situation of my country.

It is natural that there is competition during elections and those in power will definitely make changes according to what they want. Elections are an arena for selection and candidates will compete on ideas to gain the sympathy of voters. Trump has the ability to argue in debates while Kamala is not an orator who can influence people. In the context of elections this may have a little effect although not overall and Trump is much more capable in this matter.

No leader is able to solve all existing problems and it is not only in the US because in any country it is difficult for the president to solve all existing problems in a short time.

Trump is a good orator and can talk for a long time without piping into a note or anything for a reminder and I wonder how he does that. Anyways that's just a minor concerns about the citizens but a good leadership is the dream of the American citizens this forth coming polls.
Trump during his time as the president was able to implement policies that favored Americans and the economy was at a good stand which Americans commended him for. I believe he would win this elections and even do much better than his previous term in office as the President of the United States. It is left for the Americans to decide during the polls and I wish them the best of luck when choosing their president. 

Trump is a business man and he knows how to find his way when things that are unpleasant happens to him. His opponent which is Harris can not withstand Trump continuous speech because I don't think she has the muscles for it. We can not compare Harris to Trump when it comes to presentation and what they have for the American people. Harris had failed many times when asked about her plan for the Americans and what plan she has to bring down the price of groceries and food stuff to a minimum level. We know their is no way she could defend herself because she's one of the people that are responsible for the high surge of food prices and other commodities.

As a business man making presentations is a thing one must know how to do because there are business proposals which they would need to present to their investors so they try everything possible within their capacity to talking them into investing in their business and I believe that was there he became a mastery at making good lengthy speech without really bending his head to looking into a paper. Trump groomed himself for the task ahead and cannot be compared to Harris. Harris is threading on an already established political class and she's just been handpicked and has never done anything on her own in the past that could attribute she was able to have a track record of activities that spured her into limelight compared to Trump.

[Lannakosa]

It's not surprised if you count a fact that Kamala Harris and her comrades already manipulated media in the USA. in the last 3 and a half years or ever more than these years. If they could do it recent years, they would be ready to do it more seriously when the President Election Day is only less than 2 months left.

The policy vision of Kamala and her comrades are terrible and no responsible politicians would do this for a country they're living in and if they love the nation. Kamala and her comrades simply focus on their own benefits, while the country and citizens are at bottom of their focus and to do list. Or it's fair to say they don't mind about the country future and life quality of citizens in coming years.

Kamala did not prepare for the elections, but she continues to work on Biden's program, so there is no big surprise in her election campaign. It is difficult to talk about benefits now, I think that Trump is also pursuing his goals in these elections, you should not blame only Kamala for this, and say that she is bad and Trump is good. I will not be mistaken if I say that Kamala will govern very similarly to how Biden did, because it is one party, Trump may not be such a strong politician, but he likes to be in the spotlight, and in such a position he will get it in full.

[ultrloa]

It's not surprised if you count a fact that Kamala Harris and her comrades already manipulated media in the USA. in the last 3 and a half years or ever more than these years. If they could do it recent years, they would be ready to do it more seriously when the President Election Day is only less than 2 months left.

The policy vision of Kamala and her comrades are terrible and no responsible politicians would do this for a country they're living in and if they love the nation. Kamala and her comrades simply focus on their own benefits, while the country and citizens are at bottom of their focus and to do list. Or it's fair to say they don't mind about the country future and life quality of citizens in coming years.

Kamala did not prepare for the elections, but she continues to work on Biden's program, so there is no big surprise in her election campaign. It is difficult to talk about benefits now, I think that Trump is also pursuing his goals in these elections, you should not blame only Kamala for this, and say that she is bad and Trump is good. I will not be mistaken if I say that Kamala will govern very similarly to how Biden did, because it is one party, Trump may not be such a strong politician, but he likes to be in the spotlight, and in such a position he will get it in full.

Are we so sure that Trump is good here? We don't know if his intention is pure. Trump known as a racist and always talk shit on things he don't like before. He just come up to become friendly and try to lure peoples attention especially the crypto community.

He take a lead earlier phase of election period since his opponent is Biden and Trump is more better than that old man. But things change when Biden step down and Democrats insert Kamala Harris then declare here as their presidential candidate. Everything flip as many people think about maybe its worth to try the woman's approach upon leading their country and maybe this is why Harris now take the lead on each poll. Earlier many people think about Trump is really more better since he think about adapting crypto but now the narrative change since to many important factors has been inserted which affect the current outcome of the polls. Right now for sure the betting decision changed and people might go on Harris if she get a good rhythm and totally dominate trump until next month.

[Haunebu]

Interesting, so at the moment Polymarket is giving a slight advantage to Harris.

Reading some polls I thought they were not as close, and that Harris was winning by a larger margin.

It seems that the race is really tight, and it's actually pretty much 50-50 at the moment, and anything can happen before election day.

This is true. It's been 51-49 between them for quite sometime now regardless of some polls favoring one or the other by big margins and I don't think this will change until the elections end regardless of any more crazy incidents.

However, it seems like Harris is confirmed to win the popular vote based on multiple sites which is a good boost to her confidence. The race is definitely heating up.

[Wakate]

Still amazes me every time I see the odds and Kamala Harris is the favorite. People must be out of their minds. I’ve never seen a politician run a campaign on flooding the country with illegals, giving them all your money, and making you pay for sex changes of minors. It’s like the entire world has gone mad. I’m betting on common sense. If Trump loses then a bet is the least of our concerns.

We could be surprised that more irregularities might arise soon with so many fake promises. Harris has been the vise president of the United States and their has been nothing to show about it. When Trump was the president, the American people was enjoying good food, cheap groceries and money was very easy to manage then. Just imagine you paying up to $600 for electric bill. This is too much and more severe cases might occurred if Harris eventually becomes the next president. People are really suffering these days because of the wrong management of some incompetent people that are at the top. It's time for us to make the right choice that will determine what life will look like in the next 4 years.