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[mtrycz]

I can relate to the devs' thinking.

Look at it this way:
It's late spring 2014. You have a plan of releasing browser mining in July, a "bank" interface by September and a course on cryptos on November; you state these goals clearly.
Now, there are hundreds of coins, assuming 10% have any competent devs, that's still tens.
As soon as you state those goals, some of the other coins notice those ideas, and implement them. Coin A makes a browser miner, coin B makes bank interface, coin C makes a crytpo course. All by July. Some other coins follow suit shortly.
Now it's July, and you have a browser miner, but other coins have that, some other coins have a bank interface, and some other has made a course.
By September you add a bank interface, and people say "meh, coin B has already had that for months". By November you write a course on cryptos, and people scream about a "ripoff of coin C's course".

Panda has always continued to make news of innovation, and this couldn't be possible without some kind of confidentiality. The end of the road is becoming the cryptocurrency for the masses, so the road is along these lines, I think.

Personally, I hope for the 100k merchants.

[Namiks]

I can relate to the devs' thinking.

Look at it this way:
It's late spring 2014. You have a plan of releasing browser mining in July, a "bank" interface by September and a course on cryptos on November; you state these goals clearly.
Now, there are hundreds of coins, assuming 10% have any competent devs, that's still tens.
As soon as you state those goals, some of the other coins notice those ideas, and implement them. Coin A makes a browser miner, coin B makes bank interface, coin C makes a crytpo course. All by July. Some other coins follow suit shortly.
Now it's July, and you have a browser miner, but other coins have that, some other coins have a bank interface, and some other has made a course.
By September you add a bank interface, and people say "meh, coin B has already had that for months". By November you write a course on cryptos, and people scream about a "ripoff of coin C's course".

Panda has always continued to make news of innovation, and this couldn't be possible without some kind of confidentiality. The end of the road is becoming the cryptocurrency for the masses, so the road is along these lines, I think.

Personally, I hope for the 100k merchants.

Well said. We've seen way too many instances of developers stealing/ copying new ideas. The devs have proven themselves in the past and that's enough for me right now.

[MilesPorter1]

The road map is pretty clear in the general aim of creating a Cryptocurrency that is easy to use, easy to obtain, easy to understand and has global mass appeal. That is the first thing you see on the website but its just not set out in a list with dates like you are probably used to because that is the way everyone else does it. I think Pandacoin have already proved that they are not about doing things the way everyone else does it but about innovating within the market, that to me is much more worth my time and investment.

[i8]

Man, that's pretty cold: "A convenient excuse?!" Not only is that unfair, it's ungrateful too.

ungrateful? is this a business or a charity? by that logic aren't the devs being ungrateful for keeping their investors in the dark despite being at the mercy or us not dumping?

[i8]

I can relate to the devs' thinking.

Look at it this way:
It's late spring 2014. You have a plan of releasing browser mining in July, a "bank" interface by September and a course on cryptos on November; you state these goals clearly.
Now, there are hundreds of coins, assuming 10% have any competent devs, that's still tens.
As soon as you state those goals, some of the other coins notice those ideas, and implement them. Coin A makes a browser miner, coin B makes bank interface, coin C makes a crytpo course. All by July. Some other coins follow suit shortly.
Now it's July, and you have a browser miner, but other coins have that, some other coins have a bank interface, and some other has made a course.
By September you add a bank interface, and people say "meh, coin B has already had that for months". By November you write a course on cryptos, and people scream about a "ripoff of coin C's course".

Panda has always continued to make news of innovation, and this couldn't be possible without some kind of confidentiality. The end of the road is becoming the cryptocurrency for the masses, so the road is along these lines, I think.

Personally, I hope for the 100k merchants.

You are essentially making a case against the open source movement, against the core of all cryptocurrencies. Here is another way of looking at this.

All the coins that will survive must have a goal, and a road map leading towards it. If all you do is following and copying other's innovations, you won't survive long. The ones with a strong a vision, they already have their hands full, thus even if they want to steal something from us, they won't be able to, because they have to deliver what they have already promised. By the time they come around to copy our stuff, we would've already moved onto the next thing.

It's always better to be open and transparent than to hide cowardly in the dark.

[i8]

The road map is pretty clear in the general aim of creating a Cryptocurrency that is easy to use, easy to obtain, easy to understand and has global mass appeal. That is the first thing you see on the website but its just not set out in a list with dates like you are probably used to because that is the way everyone else does it. I think Pandacoin have already proved that they are not about doing things the way everyone else does it but about innovating within the market, that to me is much more worth my time and investment.

What a vague bunch of words. Most of them aren't even true. It's got nothing to do with how others do things. Please learn to think for yourself instead of basing the entirety of your value on it's difference against other's actions.

[lynn_402]

The road map is pretty clear in the general aim of creating a Cryptocurrency that is easy to use, easy to obtain, easy to understand and has global mass appeal. That is the first thing you see on the website but its just not set out in a list with dates like you are probably used to because that is the way everyone else does it. I think Pandacoin have already proved that they are not about doing things the way everyone else does it but about innovating within the market, that to me is much more worth my time and investment.

What a vague bunch of words. Most of them aren't even true. It's got nothing to do with how others do things. Please learn to think for yourself instead of basing the entirety of your value on it's difference against other's actions.

I like Pandacoin, it's a fast PoS coin with a nice community, but I also find it true that the "innovations" which have been made or are being talked about are not really useful and seem to be not much more than ideas to build hype with.

Imho, Pandacoin should remain the simple and functional coin that it is.

[MilesPorter1]

The road map is pretty clear in the general aim of creating a Cryptocurrency that is easy to use, easy to obtain, easy to understand and has global mass appeal. That is the first thing you see on the website but its just not set out in a list with dates like you are probably used to because that is the way everyone else does it. I think Pandacoin have already proved that they are not about doing things the way everyone else does it but about innovating within the market, that to me is much more worth my time and investment.

What a vague bunch of words. Most of them aren't even true. It's got nothing to do with how others do things. Please learn to think for yourself instead of basing the entirety of your value on it's difference against other's actions.

You're the one that came here complaining that Pandacoin don't have a roadmap like everyone else has, you're contradicting yourself. Pandacoin have already made massive leaps and bounds towards creating a Cryptocurrency that has mass appeal so my words are not vague at all.

[Pelgoran98]

I can relate to the devs' thinking.

Look at it this way:
It's late spring 2014. You have a plan of releasing browser mining in July, a "bank" interface by September and a course on cryptos on November; you state these goals clearly.
Now, there are hundreds of coins, assuming 10% have any competent devs, that's still tens.
As soon as you state those goals, some of the other coins notice those ideas, and implement them. Coin A makes a browser miner, coin B makes bank interface, coin C makes a crytpo course. All by July. Some other coins follow suit shortly.
Now it's July, and you have a browser miner, but other coins have that, some other coins have a bank interface, and some other has made a course.
By September you add a bank interface, and people say "meh, coin B has already had that for months". By November you write a course on cryptos, and people scream about a "ripoff of coin C's course".

Panda has always continued to make news of innovation, and this couldn't be possible without some kind of confidentiality. The end of the road is becoming the cryptocurrency for the masses, so the road is along these lines, I think.

Personally, I hope for the 100k merchants.

Eloquent, powerful, accurate.

[Pelgoran98]

Man, that's pretty cold: "A convenient excuse?!" Not only is that unfair, it's ungrateful too.

ungrateful? is this a business or a charity? by that logic aren't the devs being ungrateful for keeping their investors in the dark despite being at the mercy or us not dumping?

We're lucky to have the developers we do. They are batting 1000 since I've become a part of the PND Community. This will be my final response.

[flapman1]

I think it is about time the Pandacoin had the "great reveal". There's nothing to worry about from other coins; they're pretty much all dead, dying or obvious scams.  They don't have the organization, funding or community to pull off anything big anymore.  I think Paycoin will have been the final big scam: anyone who goes into a new coin after that would have to a bloody lunatic.  Bitcoin's ongoing demise is flushing the turds down the loo.  New money isn't flowing into crypto anymore; the same BTC is passing from coin to coin loosing value all the time.  Pandacoin has a chance to slip out of that mess and be one of the few surivors when the dust clears.  But to do so the developers need to stir themselves a bit and actually do something.  The past was grand but now is now.  Wallet updates and the like don't count.  There's been no reach out to the real world/general public whatsoever.  Only the usual wankers on Bitcointalk (and it seems a few odd Romanians) have ever even heard of PND.  See how that fellow IconicExpert has put innovation after innovation into dying Bytecent. It doesn't seem to matter as his reputation is radioactive and he's fiddled the mining in his favor but IE has the right idea at least in terms of how to push and grow a business if not the ethics to do so.

What's next on the road map? Do we even have a real road map?

Yeah, the devs have a roadmap, they've always had. It's internal tho. They release just as much as they fell comfortable with.

bdanyo explained most of it back in the days, it's a very competitive market, so there's justified concern that other coins may steal the ideas.

I'm not sure what's next, but I feel that the latest patch went a little overlooked.

[PND-Chinese]

I think it is about time the Pandacoin had the "great reveal". There's nothing to worry about from other coins; they're pretty much all dead, dying or obvious scams.  They don't have the organization, funding or community to pull off anything big anymore.  I think Paycoin will have been the final big scam: anyone who goes into a new coin after that would have to a bloody lunatic.  Bitcoin's ongoing demise is flushing the turds down the loo.  New money isn't flowing into crypto anymore; the same BTC is passing from coin to coin loosing value all the time.  Pandacoin has a chance to slip out of that mess and be one of the few surivors when the dust clears.  But to do so the developers need to stir themselves a bit and actually do something.  The past was grand but now is now.  Wallet updates and the like don't count.  There's been no reach out to the real world/general public whatsoever.  Only the usual wankers on Bitcointalk (and it seems a few odd Romanians) have ever even heard of PND.  See how that fellow IconicExpert has put innovation after innovation into dying Bytecent. It doesn't seem to matter as his reputation is radioactive and he's fiddled the mining in his favor but IE has the right idea at least in terms of how to push and grow a business if not the ethics to do so.

What's next on the road map? Do we even have a real road map?

Yeah, the devs have a roadmap, they've always had. It's internal tho. They release just as much as they fell comfortable with.

bdanyo explained most of it back in the days, it's a very competitive market, so there's justified concern that other coins may steal the ideas.

I'm not sure what's next, but I feel that the latest patch went a little overlooked.

Yes, I am tired about that coins too.
For PND!

[MaNI]

I can relate to the devs' thinking.

Look at it this way:
It's late spring 2014. You have a plan of releasing browser mining in July, a "bank" interface by September and a course on cryptos on November; you state these goals clearly.
Now, there are hundreds of coins, assuming 10% have any competent devs, that's still tens.
As soon as you state those goals, some of the other coins notice those ideas, and implement them. Coin A makes a browser miner, coin B makes bank interface, coin C makes a crytpo course. All by July. Some other coins follow suit shortly.
Now it's July, and you have a browser miner, but other coins have that, some other coins have a bank interface, and some other has made a course.
By September you add a bank interface, and people say "meh, coin B has already had that for months". By November you write a course on cryptos, and people scream about a "ripoff of coin C's course".

Panda has always continued to make news of innovation, and this couldn't be possible without some kind of confidentiality. The end of the road is becoming the cryptocurrency for the masses, so the road is along these lines, I think.

Personally, I hope for the 100k merchants.

You are essentially making a case against the open source movement, against the core of all cryptocurrencies. Here is another way of looking at this.

All the coins that will survive must have a goal, and a road map leading towards it. If all you do is following and copying other's innovations, you won't survive long. The ones with a strong a vision, they already have their hands full, thus even if they want to steal something from us, they won't be able to, because they have to deliver what they have already promised. By the time they come around to copy our stuff, we would've already moved onto the next thing.

It's always better to be open and transparent than to hide cowardly in the dark.

Erm, have you ever even worked on anything open source?
All the open source movement is about is sharing the source of things that have been developed - so that users or other developers can modify and/or contribute to it if they like - it has absolute nothing/zilch/nada to do with roadmaps or sharing future plans, or any of the other stuff you are implying, these are all just things that you have made up, while you may attach them to open source that doesn't mean anyone else does and if you take the time to go visit the webpages (some don't even have webpages) of the thousands of open source projects out there you will quickly see that what you have said is nonsense.

What you have as an argument is basically "all the other coins do it" - and well "all the other coins" are scams/useless so I'm not sure they are a good example to be copying. What you are essentially complaining about is that pandacoin is being run in a more sensible way than other coins and not trying to be a hype factory. These are not sudden terms the developers have had this stance from the start - if you invested you did so already knowing this so expecting them to change their stance for you is an unfair position.
Many open source developers won't even support their code or answer questions about it

[i8]

So basically no one knows what's coming next. Only fanboys circle jerking each other.

Prove me wrong otherwise.

[dicksausage]

So basically no one knows what's coming next. Only fanboys circle jerking each other.

Prove me wrong otherwise.

Just chill the fuck out and reach to the right like the rest of us.

[Joori]

So basically no one knows what's coming next. Only fanboys circle jerking each other.

Prove me wrong otherwise.

Can I join in? I'm always left out of these things - my wang must be small

[cadexn]

So basically no one knows what's coming next. Only fanboys circle jerking each other.

Prove me wrong otherwise.

This is like the marketing plan all over again.

you're probably not gonna get it.

[i8]

And you wander why people dump.

My demand for a road map is reasonable, and I don't think I'm alone on this.

It's hard to convince people to join you on a journey, if you can't tell them where you are going or how you are planning on getting there. This is especially hard when not only you need people to join you, and you need them to put up their own money.

When I first joined pnd the road map was clear.

Our goal was to survive and show people that we are not like the other coins.
We did that by first going PoS, then multipool with doge, then we helped out other coins, and eventually new website, new dev team, and everything else we have today.

So where are we going next? And how we planning on getting there?

[Pelgoran98]

And you wander why people dump.

My demand for a road map is reasonable, and I don't think I'm alone on this.

It's hard to convince people to join you on a journey, if you can't tell them where you are going or how you are planning on getting there. This is especially hard when not only you need people to join you, and you need them to put up their own money.

When I first joined pnd the road map was clear.

Our goal was to survive and show people that we are not like the other coins.
We did that by first going PoS, then multipool with doge, then we helped out other coins, and eventually new website, new dev team, and everything else we have today.

So where are we going next? And how we planning on getting there?

I lied. My last response to you was not the final one. Maybe I'm just overly optimistic. But, I am good with how things are unfolding. However, you may have been around PND much longer than I. And, who the fuck am I to judge others? We all have a voice, as it should be. And, it is good to see things get stirred up around here with some lively debate and passion. So in a way, i8, I guess I'm almost apologizing to you.

[MilesPorter1]

And you wander why people dump.

My demand for a road map is reasonable, and I don't think I'm alone on this.

It's hard to convince people to join you on a journey, if you can't tell them where you are going or how you are planning on getting there. This is especially hard when not only you need people to join you, and you need them to put up their own money.

When I first joined pnd the road map was clear.

Our goal was to survive and show people that we are not like the other coins.
We did that by first going PoS, then multipool with doge, then we helped out other coins, and eventually new website, new dev team, and everything else we have today.

So where are we going next? And how we planning on getting there?

I think our goal still is to survive and show people that we are not like the other coins and for that reason we don't need to do things the same way as every other coin. I guess for me it comes down to trust, I have seen hundreds of other roadmaps on hundreds of other coins and it has never given me the desire to join in a circle wank with them. For me that fact that Pandacoin has so far lived up to all the things that you have said is all the trust I need to continue to invest.