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February 05, 2015, 07:08:59 PM
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I wrote yesterday a long reply regarding the GUI wallet on Reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/2uqsl6/why_is_the_official_gui_wallet_not_released_yet/

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This is a recurring question, from long-time holders and newcomers alike.

There is a misunderstanding here and we have to confess we have not been performing very well at dispelling it.

Truth is we are not trying to merely create a GUI, as in a GUI wrapper. Fact is these simple wrappers already exist (Jojatekok's Windows GUI, Neozaru's Qt GUI, jwinterm's lightWallet and we could probably use Bitcoin wallet too).

What we are building is more than a wrapper, it is a full-fledged scalable GUI software. And scalable is the hard part, not GUI - remember, scalability is one of the three pillars of Monero.

What is scalable?
  • Mnemonic seed for increased security (why).
  • Low RAM footprint ("the DB", presently Symas Lightning MDB but later a lot others, since we built a database API).
  • e-commerce prerequisites, notably for payment processors.
  • Low bandwith footprint (a framework for SPV, like Electrum). The remote node provides a similar experience in that one doesn't have to download the whole blockchain, but this is where the similarities end and SPV would be lighter than a remote node.
  • Much better understood (thus secure) and refactored code. This is behind-the-scene stuff and not sexy, but when it comes to securing your money, this matters. The Monero Protocol is sound, but we are not that comfortable with the source code we inherited in April (and improved since then). Note: we are pretty demanding on security, so when we say that "we are not that comfortable", this means the security is already high, just not high enough Smiley
  • Gitian binaries
  • Various mainstream users niceties, such as an address book, an easy way to do bookeeping (including easily report to tax offices, because Monero is not meant just for l33t haX0r, but for everyone, including legal persons like corporations, NGO, political parties...)
  • Viewkey for optional transparency (see fluffy quote on Three Pilllars)
  • Have a solid foundation for easy improvements later on (like third-parties improvements). Because once the (scalable) GUI wallet will be there, we expect things to accelerate - and we rather be ready for the acceleration. Fasten your seatbelt, Dorothy.
Why is scalable important?
Because it is one of the three pillars Smiley

More seriously, because once the official GUI wallet will be there, visibility will increase a lot. Which means more users who know nothing about Monero and later not even about cryptocurrencies. These people won't give a second thought. One does only one first impression. It must be the right one. Hence the necessity for a wallet than can handle the load. Be scalable, not that much on a technical standpoint than on a, say, "political" standpoint.

We hope we answered your questions and, as always, don't hesitate to provide feedback. We'll do our best to make this even more clear if necessary.

This post was first published, in a slightly different version, as an answer to a commenter. Continue commenting, this is a great way to encourage us to write extensive replies!

Oh, one more thing: we do not have any release date for the GUI wallet, not even tentative. The only thing we can say is that the GUI wallet requires the database to be operational - and the database is progressing very well.

Update: some screenshots of the wallet some months ago:
Thank you for this.

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February 05, 2015, 07:27:44 PM
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Can anyone here spit out some ideas concerning websites that you think should be created around or focusing on Monero?
I started a list of what exists. It is incomplete (only by because of oversight, no political agenda here). This could help defining what else is needed.

https://xmrmonero.com/?q=wiki/en/monero-tools

(promised, we are working on fixing these questions marks)

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What exactly is the relation between https://xmrmonero.com/ and https://forum.monero.cc/? Which one is worth joining?

xmrmonero.com is a MEW project and is not a core team project (that is not to say that we don't support it or contribute to it or whatever).

The only sanctioned, official forum is forum.monero.cc

To expand a bit about MEW for those who may be new, MEW = Monero Economy Workgroup, an open membership group that supports and promotes Monero adoption. Anyone can join. You can find out more on xmrmonero.com or https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=776479.0
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To expand a bit about MEW for those who may be new, MEW = Monero Economy Workgroup, an open membership group that supports and promotes Monero adoption. Anyone can join. You can find out more on xmrmonero.com or https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=776479
Also here: https://xmrmonero.com/?q=faq-page#t9n44
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MEW stands for Monero Economy Workgroup and had its own thread, Monero Economy Workgroup

There are two sides of the Monero coin. Obverse is the core team, devoted to the technology i.e. coding. Reverse is MEW, devoted to the economy i.e. encouraging adoption, business opportunities… Let's extend the metaphor: the edges of the coin are the gray area where coding and economy overlap. The emission curve is such a gray area.

The core team works internally under the collegiality (peer) governance system and externally under the benevolent dictatorship (for life) model. MEW works internally under the weighted voting governance system and has not (at least for now) any external governance system.

The Core team and MEW are independant of each others: no group can force the other to change its mind. A vote from the MEW doesn't imply the core team has to abide; in reverse, if the core team asks the MEW to do something, MEW is not obliged to follow suit. Therefore, no one feels like being controlled by the other. If a post seemed to imply than one govering body rules above the other, it would be a misinterpretation and should be replied to by pointing to this FAQ entry.
Any one who wants to join PM me (not because I am a core dev, but because I am the member executive of MEW).

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That site stinks of warez...

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btw, is http://monero.wikia.com/ the official monero wiki? 



No, it's just something we use for aspects related to protocol and design development.

Can we setup wikimedia on monero.cc or xmrmonero.com (i see a wiki page there but it doesnt show me anything)  so we can start adding info? Then, when time comes, you guys can do whatever changes you want but some articles will be ready...

As a gentle reminder, I setup a wikimedia wiki at https://monerobase.com .  But, it appears that official team members are setting up their own wiki's and directing people there.  

If that's what the community prefers, I'll shutter mine and maybe try something else.  I'd like to help the community, but there's no sense in maintaining something that is better served by MEW or the official site.



that looks fantastic!

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February 05, 2015, 11:43:42 PM
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What exactly is the relation between https://xmrmonero.com/ and https://forum.monero.cc/? Which one is worth joining?

xmrmonero.com is a MEW project and is not a core team project (that is not to say that we don't support it or contribute to it or whatever).

The only sanctioned, official forum is forum.monero.cc

To expand a bit about MEW for those who may be new, MEW = Monero Economy Workgroup, an open membership group that supports and promotes Monero adoption. Anyone can join. You can find out more on xmrmonero.com or https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=776479.0

Not true, you have to pay to vote which precludes the term open.

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btw, is http://monero.wikia.com/ the official monero wiki?  



No, it's just something we use for aspects related to protocol and design development.

Can we setup wikimedia on monero.cc or xmrmonero.com (i see a wiki page there but it doesnt show me anything)  so we can start adding info? Then, when time comes, you guys can do whatever changes you want but some articles will be ready...

As a gentle reminder, I setup a wikimedia wiki at https://monerobase.com .  But, it appears that official team members are setting up their own wiki's and directing people there.  

If that's what the community prefers, I'll shutter mine and maybe try something else.  I'd like to help the community, but there's no sense in maintaining something that is better served by MEW or the official site.



that looks fantastic!

its the best looking monero info website, xmrmonero would be much better with this design.

Yeah dude, I'd stick with it. It looks great. I think the more sites the better. Some people like one design, some like others. Good to have choices. Just keep it up to date. Perhaps one thing to try and get goin is some kind of info feed, such that a single push gets it out on all avenues.

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February 06, 2015, 04:18:48 AM
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are those the txids that bittrex gave you to deposit to?

usually with exchanges, if you want to deposit XMR, they provide a payment ID  (transaction ID, txID) - that way, when the XMR comes in, they know where it should go (I guess).

If you just picked a random txID and sent from polo -> bittrex, bittrex doesn't have that txID, so they don't know what they're looking for.

Have you tried sending those txIDS to bittrex?
thanks for the reply, I have sent those txIDs to bittrex.
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What exactly is the relation between https://xmrmonero.com/ and https://forum.monero.cc/? Which one is worth joining?

xmrmonero.com is a MEW project and is not a core team project (that is not to say that we don't support it or contribute to it or whatever).

The only sanctioned, official forum is forum.monero.cc

To expand a bit about MEW for those who may be new, MEW = Monero Economy Workgroup, an open membership group that supports and promotes Monero adoption. Anyone can join. You can find out more on xmrmonero.com or https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=776479.0

Not true, you have to pay to vote which precludes the term open.

Nonsense. Tell that to the women who want to join men only golf clubs. Open means they can - it doesn't mean they get in without paying.
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February 06, 2015, 10:13:57 AM
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What exactly is the relation between https://xmrmonero.com/ and https://forum.monero.cc/? Which one is worth joining?

xmrmonero.com is a MEW project and is not a core team project (that is not to say that we don't support it or contribute to it or whatever).

The only sanctioned, official forum is forum.monero.cc

To expand a bit about MEW for those who may be new, MEW = Monero Economy Workgroup, an open membership group that supports and promotes Monero adoption. Anyone can join. You can find out more on xmrmonero.com or https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=776479.0

Not true, you have to pay to vote which precludes the term open.

Nonsense. Tell that to the women who want to join men only golf clubs. Open means they can - it doesn't mean they get in without paying.

Plenty of open groups have membership fees.

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Plenty of open groups have membership fees.

Exactly. That's what I was saying. You have to pay to join MEW to exclude votes from the enemies of XMR.
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Plenty of open groups have membership fees.

Exactly. That's what I was saying. You have to pay to join MEW to exclude votes from the enemies of XMR.

It doesn't matter what the reason might be. Such groups can and do reasonably charge membership dues, which are used to fund the operation and programs of the group. Anyone can join and the minimum membership level is quite accessible.



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February 06, 2015, 05:34:16 PM
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Someone wants to implement a contract protocol on top of Monero:

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Ive designed a very specific technical implementation to add trustless, tradable, contracts on the Cryptonote prototcol.

The whitepaper can be downloaded from Google drive

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B75gaqtEgDR8UHU2UVJ6TkYzMnRkdFFsbklBd3hVMDV1eDQw/view?usp=sharing

I am looking to implement this very soon on one of the existing Cryptonote coins.

Looking for suggestions, criticisms, anything that will facilitate this implementation. Unlike most other suggestions or whitepapers I have the full technical ability and experience to implement these changes. I don't want to deal with the prospect of launching a new coin, nor should I have to as these changes would only improve the features of an existing Cryptonote coin.

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Did you vote in the [Poll] What anonymous coin will succeed?. A lot of other coins supporters are voting lately.

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Someone wants to implement a contract protocol on top of Monero:

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Ive designed a very specific technical implementation to add trustless, tradable, contracts on the Cryptonote prototcol.

The whitepaper can be downloaded from Google drive

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B75gaqtEgDR8UHU2UVJ6TkYzMnRkdFFsbklBd3hVMDV1eDQw/view?usp=sharing

I am looking to implement this very soon on one of the existing Cryptonote coins.

Looking for suggestions, criticisms, anything that will facilitate this implementation. Unlike most other suggestions or whitepapers I have the full technical ability and experience to implement these changes. I don't want to deal with the prospect of launching a new coin, nor should I have to as these changes would only improve the features of an existing Cryptonote coin.

Roman Brown
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=947796.0

kinda cool.... I mean, I think he should n a t u r a l l y  choose to build it on monero, but does he need encouragement?

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February 06, 2015, 05:54:15 PM
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Did you vote in the [Poll] What anonymous coin will succeed?. A lot of other coins supporters are voting lately.

Woah! Last time I've checked XMR was not doing this great! I'm lovin' it Smiley


kinda cool.... I mean, I think he should n a t u r a l l y  choose to build it on monero, but does he need encouragement?

For start, let's ask him gently which coin he has in mind...

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yeah after checking the paper i have the feeling he prefers monero Grin

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yeah after checking the paper i have the feeling he prefers monero Grin

I just did a quick search and the most important part on this subject is:

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I am willing to do the work it takes to implement the above on any given
Cryptonote-based coin, be it ByteCoin, Monero, Boolberry, Dashcoin, etc. I am
willing to be paid in the currency itself since I believe this will greatly increase
its value. Please contact me at the email at the start of this document to discuss
further logistics, payment details, etc.

As usual, nothing comes for free...

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February 06, 2015, 06:22:17 PM
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yeah after checking the paper i have the feeling he prefers monero Grin

I just did a quick search and the most important part on this subject is:

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I am willing to do the work it takes to implement the above on any given
Cryptonote-based coin, be it ByteCoin, Monero, Boolberry, Dashcoin, etc. I am
willing to be paid in the currency itself since I believe this will greatly increase
its value. Please contact me at the email at the start of this document to discuss
further logistics, payment details, etc.

As usual, nothing comes for free...

free is relative depending on when you mined your xmr...........

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free is relative depending on when you mined your xmr...........

please explain

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