[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[fluffypony]

Wait, I thought the MEW was officially supported? I am getting confused here. Is it your opinion Fluffy that we should not use moneroeconomy.com? It is still under construction so we really need to know where everyone stands on this. Dividing our base between sites is a bad idea if we are not also duplicating the content.

I think there needs to be a discussion on this. It seems to me the base is divided on the form of the forum. But if we all goto the site we feel most comfortable using then the base will surely start diverging and by extension weaken and eventually rift. Another thing I am doomed to see and unable to prevent I bet. Guess we will see in a year.

The MEW has some core team members in it (I am a member, although I generally don't participate in many of the MEW activities due to a lack of time and interest), but it is not sanctioned, appointed, or in any other way related to the Core Team. We have specifically rejected the idea of a Monero "foundation", primarily because of the poor example the Bitcoin foundation has set.

Nonetheless, the MEW is able to do whatever it wants, it's a free planet after all, but the Core Team are not obligated to follow any of their suggestions. That is not to say we are at odds with them, and we respect MEW voting on a particular issue as being indicative of the consensus among a portion of the Monero community, but at best any outcome of a MEW vote would be a "strong suggestion" to us and we would still feel it out and make an appropriate decision.

This separation is important as it means the Core Team can't be bought, even if the stakes are significantly higher.

With regards to the forum, the official forum exists as a platform we're putting together because it will allow us to harness future developments like MoneroID and MoneroTrust (see the Design and Development Goals) and implement them in the forum, a task that would be significantly harder if we used anything else that was more generic.

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[lobo13hf]

How come this coin doesnt have a win32bit wallet? i wanted to buy some but without a wallet idk and no i dont trust online wallets.

[fluffypony]

How come this coin doesnt have a win32bit wallet? i wanted to buy some but without a wallet idk and no i dont trust online wallets.

32-bit systems can't address enough RAM to hold the full in-memory blockchain, hence us implementing an embedded database variant.

[smooth]

How come this coin doesnt have a win32bit wallet? i wanted to buy some but without a wallet idk and no i dont trust online wallets.

lightWallet or .NET wallet with a remote node would probably work.

[smooth]

My opinion on MEW and the core team is that both are "official" and "non-official". After all, who appointed this core team anyway?

The core team is a group of self-appointed people who got together to develop the Monero code (as a fork of bitmonero). The MEW is a group of self-appointed people who got together to develop the Monero economy (MEW was formed well after bitmonero).

There are some members of both groups overlapping. There is no reason for the groups not to cooperate and mutually support each others efforts, which we do.

[5w00p]

My opinion on MEW and the core team is that both are "official" and "non-official". After all, who appointed this core team anyway?

Yeah, really!

We are all yet none officially unofficial in this decentralized lack of unity communal open source proprietary effort.

[smooth]

Poll: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=985422.0

[5w00p]

Fluffypony told me to make a pull request. What is he, a soft equine dentist?

Smooth said it was tacotime, so I called David Latapie to see if he wanted some carne asada wrapped in crepes.

I poured the vodka and GingerAle over IceBreaker and sipped it.

BCX warped my jwinterm into a Heuristic mess.

 

[bigj]

Bter.com is back :-)

EDIT: No trading fees for a full month!

[Hueristic]

Wait, I thought the MEW was officially supported? I am getting confused here. Is it your opinion Fluffy that we should not use moneroeconomy.com? It is still under construction so we really need to know where everyone stands on this. Dividing our base between sites is a bad idea if we are not also duplicating the content.

I think there needs to be a discussion on this. It seems to me the base is divided on the form of the forum. But if we all goto the site we feel most comfortable using then the base will surely start diverging and by extension weaken and eventually rift. Another thing I am doomed to see and unable to prevent I bet. Guess we will see in a year.

The MEW has some core team members in it (I am a member, although I generally don't participate in many of the MEW activities due to a lack of time and interest), but it is not sanctioned, appointed, or in any other way related to the Core Team. We have specifically rejected the idea of a Monero "foundation", primarily because of the poor example the Bitcoin foundation has set.

Nonetheless, the MEW is able to do whatever it wants, it's a free planet after all, but the Core Team are not obligated to follow any of their suggestions. That is not to say we are at odds with them, and we respect MEW voting on a particular issue as being indicative of the consensus among a portion of the Monero community, but at best any outcome of a MEW vote would be a "strong suggestion" to us and we would still feel it out and make an appropriate decision.

This separation is important as it means the Core Team can't be bought, even if the stakes are significantly higher.

With regards to the forum, the official forum exists as a platform we're putting together because it will allow us to harness future developments like MoneroID and MoneroTrust (see the Design and Development Goals) and implement them in the forum, a task that would be significantly harder if we used anything else that was more generic.

Thanks for clearing that up Fluffy. Very important info. You'll wanna grab this link for the digest Ginger.

Fluffypony told me to make a pull request. What is he, a soft equine dentist?

Smooth said it was tacotime, so I called David Latapie to see if he wanted some carne asada wrapped in crepes.

I poured the vodka and GingerAle over IceBreaker and sipped it.

BCX warped my jwinterm into a Heuristic mess.

VERY nice! I got a good chuckle outta this. Even pulled a double connotation on my butchered name.!

[smooth]

EDIT: No trading fees for a full month!

What could possibly go wrong?

[Hueristic]

EDIT: No trading fees for a full month!

What could possibly go wrong?

Everyone could deposit and get ripped off. O wait are you being facetious?

[Anon136]

Is it true that the devs have no plan to develop an "official" gui? I think i remember reading that some where or hearing someone say something to this effect but i don't remember where.

[saddambitcoin]

Is it true that the devs have no plan to develop an "official" gui? I think i remember reading that some where or hearing someone say something to this effect but i don't remember where.

No, they are developing an official GUI.

See here for a road map of development goals: http://getmonero.org/design-goals/

[smooth]

Is it true that the devs have no plan to develop an "official" gui?

No

[Gladimor]

Bter.com is back :-)

EDIT: No trading fees for a full month!

After they lost all those BTC and "claimed" that they made a police report (which they probably didn't), do you plan on using them?

[onemorexmr]

does openalias works with separated subdomains?

yes

i'd love to see this feature on the monero forum though... preferably for free
bind with database support exists and should work.

edit: in fact i posted that as an idea a few days ago: https://forum.getmonero.org/6/ideas/215/openalias-exchange-integration

[smooth]

Yeah, but the developers need to find honest ways to fund the project, Monero has no instamine/premine (thank god) and no millions of USD in IPO or VC funding (actually a shame with so many stupid BTC projects overfunded).

As this coin grows there will be opportunities for better-funded startup businesses to develop add-on products and services just as there are for Bitcoin. We already have MyMonero and Crypto Kingdom (EDIT: see below), though they are still small, and more will follow. Some of those will contribute code back to the project directly and/or pay the salaries of developers who work on it, again as with Bitcoin. At the current market cap, Monero is just too small and risky for investors to put in the millions of dollars it would take to make any real difference, so we have to work as pioneers to build the technology and the market to that point first.

EDIT: and xmr.to and probably a few others I'm forgetting, sorry in advance.

[GingerAle]

[gratuitous post to show-off my new signature]

 

Sunny California here, GingerBread.

does openalias works with separated subdomains? mymonero.com could make some extra moneroj selling personalized mymonero.com/user openaliases.

yeah, I actually talked with fluffy about this and he said they had thought about it, but they have bigger fish to fry. I.e., it is doable, but would take time away from actually developing the core, so here we are again, monero being awesome.

Yeah, i've experimented with up to 1 level of subdomain so far... so blah.blippity.com

I think after that its just too many periods. I own paymonero.com and payxmr.com . If anyone wants an open alias there, let me know. I'll give away the first .... I dunno.... 25 for free for.... a year? After that, 30 XMR for 5 years? Currently, I don't have DNS-SEC set up (because i have to pay godaddy to do it because the site I registered on doesn't have them), so people will get that warning when they use it.

i wonder if my registrar will care that I'll have a bajillion text entries....

sure, you'll have to trust me, but if you want to avoid having to register a domain (and subsequent divulge personal information) this is one route.

I've been pondering though how to automate a type of security, wherein you would be notified if the dns entry became compromised (e.g., my password was hacked, the registrar was hacked... hrm, perhaps one could put the information into the monero blockchain (first X digits of address, with enough space left for the open alias address..) ... or this could just be an overcomplicated way of saying to just use namecoin as the registrar.... .

[David Latapie]

How i can make it?

Editorial: What is OpenAlias

Is it true that the devs have no plan to develop an "official" gui? I think i remember reading that some where or hearing someone say something to this effect but i don't remember where.

• Editorial: why is the official GUI wallet not released yet
• We don't have a Mac GUI yet, so what?

EDIT: and xmr.to and probably a few others I'm forgetting, sorry in advance.

Merchants and services directory

With regards to the forum, the official forum exists as a platform we're putting together because it will allow us to harness future developments like MoneroID and MoneroTrust (see the Design and Development Goals) and implement them in the forum, a task that would be significantly harder if we used anything else that was more generic.

This is important to know to address the many complaints regarding the forum. This is similar to the complaints about the GUI wallet: making a wrapper is easy and there was for long not enough communication about the GUI wallet being more than a wrapper.