[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"

[o_dima]

I just made it. It's 23:09 Pacific.

So I can indicate only support for an registered petition.  Can I vote against it?
I really don't like that one to increase stacking reward per block.

[SuperClam]

I just made it. It's 23:09 Pacific.

So I can indicate only support for an registered petition.  Can I vote against it?
I really don't like that one to increase stacking reward per block.

A petition/CLAMour must prove itself on it's own merits.
It must prove support by users pro-actively supporting it.

If you do not wish to support it, you must do nothing.
The blocks you stake will be interpreted to 'not' support by virtue of how the system works.
Essentially, not specifically supporting it is a default vote for "No Change".

[gamblingbad]

Here is remove digging petition.

clamour  5afa074c237d00d2e5290dd6c7d8c213cfb55ced916ab4559b563139ca0396b8 http://txti.es/5afa074c

txt id : 296c14ba4214ff57aed6813459427984c2dbb31a2d75e598d94a5cebf588d730

petitionid is 5afa074c

i dont know it is done right can someone


Please support it.

[dooglus]

So it is going to effect pepole in any way for holding clams now ?
I am not that developer/technical guy but i hold some hundreds and care about that.
edit: BAC's ratings on top of that.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. What does your "it" refer to?

BAC's ratings were made in anger. I don't think they're relevant.

[dooglus]

Here is remove digging petition.

clamour  5afa074c237d00d2e5290dd6c7d8c213cfb55ced916ab4559b563139ca0396b8 http://txti.es/5afa074c

txt id : 296c14ba4214ff57aed6813459427984c2dbb31a2d75e598d94a5cebf588d730

petitionid is 5afa074c

i dont know it is done right can someone

Please support it.

I had already added it to my list at http://txti.es/clamour - according to https://just-dice.com/misc/clamour_weights.txt it is the most popular option at Just-Dice so far (other than the default 'do nothing' option, of course).

I see JD made its first CLAMour vote:



and it also made a vote supporting your 'remove digging' one. See http://khashier.com/tx/dc9ce47ba791c60c2e4ab72a5f9837e24d8e0cb1ca2eed997724815ff3e52f26 for example.

[bobboooiie]

Wow CLAMour seems like something special that might inspire other coins or bitcoin itself. Some awesome shit right here bows to all working on this.

[gamblingbad]

Here is remove digging petition.

clamour  5afa074c237d00d2e5290dd6c7d8c213cfb55ced916ab4559b563139ca0396b8 http://txti.es/5afa074c

txt id : 296c14ba4214ff57aed6813459427984c2dbb31a2d75e598d94a5cebf588d730

petitionid is 5afa074c

i dont know it is done right can someone

Please support it.

I had already added it to my list at http://txti.es/clamour - according to https://just-dice.com/misc/clamour_weights.txt it is the most popular option at Just-Dice so far (other than the default 'do nothing' option, of course).

I see JD made its first CLAMour vote:



and it also made a vote supporting your 'remove digging' one. See http://khashier.com/tx/dc9ce47ba791c60c2e4ab72a5f9837e24d8e0cb1ca2eed997724815ff3e52f26 for example.

people can vote sending clam? but can someone send many times the same coins?

[SuperClam]

people can vote sending clam, but can someone send many times the same coins?

No.
You can't support a petition by 'sending' CLAM.

Supporting a petition requires staking a block.

[gamblingbad]

people can vote sending clam, but can someone send many times the same coins?

No.
You can't support a petition by 'sending' CLAM.

Supporting a petition requires staking a block.

But need 50% of votes for change? So if jd have 750k clam votes change will happend?

[clf99]

Voting is soon ready?

I'm hoping to add voting to Just-Dice today.

I just made it. It's 23:09 Pacific.

Reload the Just-Dice site. On the 'account' tab, you'll see:



And at https://just-dice.com/misc/clamour_weights.txt you can see how the JD wallets are currently staking. The number at the start of each line is the number of satoshis voting that way:



http://txti.es/clamour has a list of the petitions I know about so far.

Change the behavior of the opcode CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY so that it behaves identically to Bitcoin's implementation.

the above is one of the petitions.
wtf does it mean?

[gamblingbad]

Voting is soon ready?

I'm hoping to add voting to Just-Dice today.

I just made it. It's 23:09 Pacific.

Reload the Just-Dice site. On the 'account' tab, you'll see:



And at https://just-dice.com/misc/clamour_weights.txt you can see how the JD wallets are currently staking. The number at the start of each line is the number of satoshis voting that way:



http://txti.es/clamour has a list of the petitions I know about so far.

Change the behavior of the opcode CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY so that it behaves identically to Bitcoin's implementation.

the above is one of the petitions.
wtf does it mean?

I think its for you can send clam to someone in their wallet but u can set a time when it can be spent

[Kefkius]

Voting is soon ready?

I'm hoping to add voting to Just-Dice today.

I just made it. It's 23:09 Pacific.

Reload the Just-Dice site. On the 'account' tab, you'll see:



And at https://just-dice.com/misc/clamour_weights.txt you can see how the JD wallets are currently staking. The number at the start of each line is the number of satoshis voting that way:



http://txti.es/clamour has a list of the petitions I know about so far.

Change the behavior of the opcode CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY so that it behaves identically to Bitcoin's implementation.

the above is one of the petitions.
wtf does it mean?

It's a very developer-oriented petition that I created mainly to show a possible use of clamour. CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY is an opcode used in transaction scripts; it can prevent coins from being spent until a certain block height. It's too technical to really be relevant.

[o_dima]

Supporting a petition requires staking a block.

Let suppose I have enough clamcoins to catch stacking block. If I vote for petition with my staking amount then send all my clams to poloniex or JD then remove client, intstall it again, change IP (another proxy) send my clammies back to new wallet and try to vote same petition again? Will it be counted?

[VultureFund]

Hi CLAM believers. I'm not gonna lie, I have bad news for you.

Your shitty coin is so overpriced, so we have decided to act in this market.

Be prepared for serious dumps to happen in the next days and weeks, now we have the control.

Our message is simple as always: Relevant big traders of the circle (me included) have big short positions in CLAMS, so the price will not rise above 0.003 anymore while we are in control.

Our plan is to put CLAMS at the price that actually deserves, that is in the range of 0.0004-0.0005 .

Don't blame us, blame the CLAM distribution scheme, blame poloniex for allowing margin trading, and blame Curious for allowing us having the control of the market.

Don't worry, we're just here to make money and justice, once CLAMS gets to it's fair value ($150K-$200K market cap) we'll be out of this shit. But now, be prepared for dumps incoming.  

This is not a joke or a threat, just information of what's gonna happen here. We've been doing this for a long time, and last times we've decided to warn people before the storm, is the minimum we can do.

Finally, for those CLAM chickens who're gonna troll us, we give you the same message as XMR holders recieved:

That's CLAMS holders situation in two months: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPl7lJbga38

[smooth]

Supporting a petition requires staking a block.

Let suppose I have enough clamcoins to catch stacking block. If I vote for petition with my staking amount then send all my clams to poloniex or JD then remove client, intstall it again, change IP (another proxy) send my clammies back to new wallet and try to vote same petition again? Will it be counted?

IP has nothing to do with it.

Every 1 minute (on average), "someone" has a chance to stake a block. You have a bigger chance the more coins you have available to stake.

That is what is counted.

[smooth]

We've been doing this for a long time, and last times we've decided to warn people before the storm FUD so we can make more money on our short positions, is the minimum we can do.

FTFY

The game is what it is of course. Carry on.

[dooglus]

people can vote sending clam? but can someone send many times the same coins?

No, only by staking. The screenshot showed a negative fee, so you can tell it's a stake. It's merging two smaller outputs into a larger one, but the output is 1 CLAM bigger than the sum of the inputs.

But need 50% of votes for change? So if jd have 750k clam votes change will happend?

Yesterday I implemented a system for Just-Dice investors to tell the site which petitions they want to support. Each time the site's wallets stake a block, they set the CLAMspeech according to user wishes. This page shows how the JD wallets are voting at any particular point in time. Currently Just-Dice is abstaining in 84% of the blocks it stakes, since the owners of 84% of the bankroll have not yet specified any petitions that they support.

Change the behavior of the opcode CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY so that it behaves identically to Bitcoin's implementation.

the above is one of the petitions.
wtf does it mean?

Peter Todd made a proposal for Bitcoin a long time ago, that if implemented would allow users to send coins to others in a way such that they couldn't be spent until a fixed date, or a fixed block number. That wasn't possible to do in any other way at the time.

Shortly after the initial proposal was made, the feature was implemented in CLAM.

After that, Peter Todd's proposal was improved, and finally implemented in Bitcoin. CLAM is still running with the initial, inferior proposal.

Kef's petition is saying we should switch CLAM to the way Bitcoin ended up implementing it.

Let suppose I have enough clamcoins to catch stacking block. If I vote for petition with my staking amount then send all my clams to poloniex or JD then remove client, intstall it again, change IP (another proxy) send my clammies back to new wallet and try to vote same petition again? Will it be counted?

Yes, you could do that, but it wouldn't help you at all.

Your plan:

  1. vote
  2. move to polo
  3. move back
  4. vote again

Note that after staking, your coins cannot be moved for 500 blocks, so you have an 8 hour gap between steps 1 and 2. Moving to polo and back only takes ~10 minutes each way, but coins can't vote again until they have sat for 4 hours without being involved in a transaction. So there's at least a 4 hour gap between steps 3 and 4. Adding all the gaps together I make that about 12.5 hours between steps 1 and 4.

A better plan would be:

  1. vote
  2. vote again

You still have the 500 block (8 hour) gap between the two steps, but that's all.

And even better plan would be:

  1. split your coins into lots of small outputs
  2. vote
  3. vote again

There's a 4 hour gap between 1 and 2, but then there's very little gap between step 2 and 3, or between all your future votes, since when you stake only one of your small outputs is locked up for 500 blocks and the rest keep on trying to stake.

[gamblingbad]

Hi CLAM believers. I'm not gonna lie, I have bad news for you.

Your shitty coin is so overpriced, so we have decided to act in this market.

Be prepared for serious dumps to happen in the next days and weeks, now we have the control.

Our message is simple as always: Relevant big traders of the circle (me included) have big short positions in CLAMS, so the price will not rise above 0.003 anymore while we are in control.

Our plan is to put CLAMS at the price that actually deserves, that is in the range of 0.0004-0.0005 .

Don't blame us, blame the CLAM distribution scheme, blame poloniex for allowing margin trading, and blame Curious for allowing us having the control of the market.

Don't worry, we're just here to make money and justice, once CLAMS gets to it's fair value ($150K-$200K market cap) we'll be out of this shit. But now, be prepared for dumps incoming.  

This is not a joke or a threat, just information of what's gonna happen here. We've been doing this for a long time, and last times we've decided to warn people before the storm, is the minimum we can do.

Finally, for those CLAM chickens who're gonna troll us, we give you the same message as XMR holders recieved:

That's CLAMS holders situation in two months: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPl7lJbga38

Iam sure people will happy to get nice interest on loans.

[VultureFund]

We've been doing this for a long time, and last times we've decided to warn people before the storm FUD so we can make more money on our short positions, is the minimum we can do.

FTFY

The game is what it is of course. Carry on.

C'mon Smooth don't be annoyed. Believe it or not, this post is to warn some good people who expect this shit to rise, that IS NOT GONNA RISE. We're just giving them an opportunity to get out of this overvaluated train.

Not lying you, I feel better with myself by doing so. And in fact I don't like to make money by dumping, but everything has to return to the fair equilibrium, just like CLAMS.

+1M mkt cap with tons of CLAMS pending to exist? C'mon man even a baby would realize how overpriced this shit is...

[smooth]

We've been doing this for a long time, and last times we've decided to warn people before the storm FUD so we can make more money on our short positions, is the minimum we can do.

FTFY

The game is what it is of course. Carry on.

C'mon Smooth don't be annoyed.

I'm not.