[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"

[SuperClam]

@dooglus 
 maybe you have information about clam wallet in  yobit exchange ? I waiting withdraw already week, with status - "Transfer from cold storage", and any respond for support.

 
 
I have no personal experience with 'yobit', or that exchange's history of being trustworthy or timely with withdrawals. 
If you are having trouble with withdrawals, I would suggest you take every opportunity (even in a different coin) to get your value out. 

[andulolika]

Congratulations to The Great CLAM on reaching the one million blocks milestone!

these issues haunts me as well dooglus  mention about ~30 clam input, but I think This applies only to very long-term,
because first reward you have to wait very long-  40-50 day. (in case 10-15 input , even 3-4 month)

If you only have 30 CLAMs, you will be waiting an average of 30 days to stake no matter how you split them. If you have 3000 CLAMs and split them into 100 piles of 30, each of the piles will be waiting an average 30 days to stake, but one of them will get lucky and stake early. You can expect a few of them to stake each day on average. If instead you split them into 1000 piles of 3, each will be waiting about a year to stake, but you can still expect a few of them to stake each day on average. And each time one of your 3's stakes, it is only making 3+1 CLAMs inactive for 500 blocks, whereas when one of your 30's stakes, it is making 30+1 CLAMs inactive for 500 blocks, which is clearly less efficient from a stake-as-much-as-you-can perspective.

I know it is, in theory, should be, but I practically everything comes out longer, maybe I unlucky , example: recent two my inputs of 141clam, according you theory average waiting time should be ~7 day, but I got reward after 13 day for first, and  for second input of 141clam already 10day without reward.
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@dooglus 
 maybe you have information about clam wallet in  yobit exchange ? I waiting withdraw already week, with status - "Transfer from cold storage", and any respond for support.

Yobit is a really skeetchy exchange, i believe they involved in most of the ico scams that occur on there, i dont think they would mess with an user when they have small cuts from the site. Yet i seen that lately there is a bunch of users with the same problem, maybe they scared a bit of their IOC if they cannot cover it.

[BayAreaCoins]

maybe you have information about clam wallet in  yobit exchange ? I waiting withdraw already week, with status - "Transfer from cold storage", and any respond for support.

They bought a ton of advertising just now.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1472756.msg14939029#msg14939029

I'm sure if you ask them or PM that they'd fix your withdraw.

Maybe they are just bold ass scammers.

[dooglus]

according you theory average waiting time should be ~7 day, but I got reward after 13 day for first, and  for second input of 141clam already 10day without reward.

Yes, the key word here is 'average'. Each stake can take more or less time to actually happen; it's pretty much random, since whether you stake or not is based on the size of the hash of a bunch of stuff.

maybe you have information about clam wallet in  yobit exchange ?

I don't, sorry. I personally only really use poloniex if I want to buy or sell CLAMs. It's the biggest market, usually has a decently narrow spread, reasonably low fees, and I have never had problems trusting them with up to 50 BTC or so in my balance. I did play about with one of the other exchanges when they first added CLAM but I didn't like the site felt, or the lack of liquidity in its market so I went back to poloniex.

I can also recommend arranging direct trades in the just-dice chat tab. You can usually find somebody willing to trade CLAM for BTC, and there's a free built in automated escrow system (type /escrow there for details).

[dooglus]

I found the following interesting, and thought I'd share it here:

I came across a new paper on the subject of Bitcoin address clustering - the practice of studying transactions on the blockchain to identify which groups of addresses belong to which wallets:

I noticed this diagram of the largest address clusters:



I hadn't heard of betvip.com before the CLAM whale digger surfaced, but from the little research I did, it appears that he was digging mostly from that cluster.

The diagram shows just how many more whale diggers there could be. There are many more the same size or bigger. And then there are LTC and DOGE clusters too, not shown here.

Edit: Of course, many of these clusters could have been mostly empty addresses on the CLAM snapshot date, and so wouldn't be candidates for digging.

[zazarb]

maybe you have information about clam wallet in  yobit exchange ? I waiting withdraw already week, with status - "Transfer from cold storage", and any respond for support.

They bought a ton of advertising just now.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1472756.msg14939029#msg14939029

I'm sure if you ask them or PM that they'd fix your withdraw.

Maybe they are just bold ass scammers.

Yes, I asked him in second day, he replied only today(after 5 day and 3th my pm)after my request cancelled, I successful withdraw
in small portion 20-50clam.

maybe you have information about clam wallet in  yobit exchange ?

I don't, sorry. I personally only really use poloniex if I want to buy or sell CLAMs. It's the biggest market, usually has a decently narrow spread, reasonably low fees, and I have never had problems trusting them with up to 50 BTC or so in my balance. I did play about with one of the other exchanges when they first added CLAM but I didn't like the site felt, or the lack of liquidity in its market so I went back to poloniex.

I can also recommend arranging direct trades in the just-dice chat tab. You can usually find somebody willing to trade CLAM for BTC, and there's a free built in automated escrow system (type /escrow there for details).

poloniex is my primary exchange also, just sometimes I "hunted" cheapest coin in exchange with low trade volume.

[BayAreaCoins]

I found the following interesting, and thought I'd share it here:

I came across a new paper on the subject of Bitcoin address clustering - the practice of studying transactions on the blockchain to identify which groups of addresses belong to which wallets:

I noticed this diagram of the largest address clusters:



I hadn't heard of betvip.com before the CLAM whale digger surfaced, but from the little research I did, it appears that he was digging mostly from that cluster.

The diagram shows just how many more whale diggers there could be. There are many more the same size or bigger. And then there are LTC and DOGE clusters too, not shown here.

Edit: Of course, many of these clusters could have been mostly empty addresses on the CLAM snapshot date, and so wouldn't be candidates for digging.

I wonder which big bubble Just-Dice was.

It would have to be one of the bigger bubbles I'd assume...

[dooglus]

I wonder which big bubble Just-Dice was.

It would have to be one of the bigger bubbles I'd assume...

I was wondering that too, but Just-Dice clusters were easy to identify, and they say all the gambling clusters are purple.

Weird that 999dice got onto the chart and JD didn't!

[SuperClam]

I wonder which big bubble Just-Dice was.

It would have to be one of the bigger bubbles I'd assume...

I was wondering that too, but Just-Dice clusters were easy to identify, and they say all the gambling clusters are purple.

Weird that 999dice got onto the chart and JD didn't!

The gray vertices are not immediately indentifiable... yadda yadda.

 
 
I expect?

[Johnny00]

Anyone know why the crash in price?

[ostrogoto2012]

Anyone know why the crash in price?

i think lot people sell clams to buy waves! it is only my opinion...

[andulolika]

Anyone know why the crash in price?

i think lot people sell clams to buy waves! it is only my opinion...

Delusional trying to hype.

Anyone know why the crash in price?

The gambl0rs that won at jd and dumped.

[Johnny00]

Thanks. So still has value?

[shawn2025]

Howdy..

I know Doog is ready to buy Clams and I'll totally go there first before and if I ever sell, but when prices go low like this where can I get some without having to buy another coin and I can use Pay Pal or a CC?  Long sentence.. lol  Early adaptor.  Long term investor, staking.  Thanks in advance.

/s/

[smooth]

It is hard to get anyone to accept Paypal for crypto especially when you are a Newbie with no reputation.

You are better off buying Bitcoin using one of the well-established mechanisms and exchanging it for CLAMs.

[shawn2025]

It is hard to get anyone to accept Paypal for crypto especially when you are a Newbie with no reputation.

You are better off buying Bitcoin using one of the well-established mechanisms and exchanging it for CLAMs.

I know I'm nobody. That's why I'm asking to do business with someone reputable in a sense.  Where else to go?  I'm looking to start a relationship as i am in this for the long haul.  If Doog were to sell me Clams with no problem, then I might gain street cred.  I hold Shadowcash that is doing well and I don't want to part with so I'm looking for other options.  I got in via Doge and have those too, which doubled within the last year.  My old Doge wallet started me out with 239 Clams.  I shit myself.  *Invested Staked*  When Clams went to .39 I triple downed.  No regrets. 

Long time lurker.  I probably posted one drunk on the internets post here during the whale dig Homer Simpson like. 

With luck someone here has faith in humanity and will experience a fair transaction with me.  (Doog?) 

Shawn

[AleScamHole]

It is hard to get anyone to accept Paypal for crypto especially when you are a Newbie with no reputation.

You are better off buying Bitcoin using one of the well-established mechanisms and exchanging it for CLAMs.

I know I'm nobody. That's why I'm asking to do business with someone reputable in a sense.  Where else to go?  I'm looking to start a relationship as i am in this for the long haul.  If Doog were to sell me Clams with no problem, then I might gain street cred.  I hold Shadowcash that is doing well and I don't want to part with so I'm looking for other options.  I got in via Doge and have those too, which doubled within the last year.  My old Doge wallet started me out with 239 Clams.  I shit myself.  *Invested Staked*  When Clams went to .39 I triple downed.  No regrets. 

Long time lurker.  I probably posted one drunk on the internets post here during the whale dig Homer Simpson like. 

With luck someone here has faith in humanity and will experience a fair transaction with me.  (Doog?) 

Shawn

tbh dude it comes off as "trust farming" which can get you red around here.   trades, trust, and with it the ability to buy thru reversible methods are EARNED here.
 it is what it is man. best of luck, be careful going too hard.

[shawn2025]

It is hard to get anyone to accept Paypal for crypto especially when you are a Newbie with no reputation.

You are better off buying Bitcoin using one of the well-established mechanisms and exchanging it for CLAMs.

I know I'm nobody. That's why I'm asking to do business with someone reputable in a sense.  Where else to go?  I'm looking to start a relationship as i am in this for the long haul.  If Doog were to sell me Clams with no problem, then I might gain street cred.  I hold Shadowcash that is doing well and I don't want to part with so I'm looking for other options.  I got in via Doge and have those too, which doubled within the last year.  My old Doge wallet started me out with 239 Clams.  I shit myself.  *Invested Staked*  When Clams went to .39 I triple downed.  No regrets. 

Long time lurker.  I probably posted one drunk on the internets post here during the whale dig Homer Simpson like. 

With luck someone here has faith in humanity and will experience a fair transaction with me.  (Doog?) 

Shawn

tbh dude it comes off as "trust farming" which can get you red around here.   trades, trust, and with it the ability to buy thru reversible methods are EARNED here.
 it is what it is man. best of luck, be careful going too hard.

The exchanges are falling left and right.  I know who is legit here and not.  I thought I'd ask. 
I'll be fine with or without. 

/s/

[smooth]

It is hard to get anyone to accept Paypal for crypto especially when you are a Newbie with no reputation.

You are better off buying Bitcoin using one of the well-established mechanisms and exchanging it for CLAMs.

I know I'm nobody. That's why I'm asking to do business with someone reputable in a sense.  Where else to go?

Go buy Bitcoins. There are a lot of ways to do that everywhere in the world starting with localbitcoins in most places, or coinbase in not quite as many but still quite a few. Or many other ways. Then trade them for CLAMs and you are good to go.

[NUFCrichard]

I have been a bit out of the loop, but I see that another whale digger has appered!

Where are you seeing that?

I expect you are noticing that the price is down over the last few days, and jumping to the conclusion that new coins have been dug up, but checking the blockchain I see very little digging since the "whale digger" in December:



Here's a close-up of the time since the whale digger stopped digging:



Note how almost all of the inflation of the money supply in the last 5 months has been a result of staking, not digging, and how recently the total number of coins staked into existence overtook the number of coins dug into existence again.

I expect that this drop in price is the result of someone selling a big batch of CLAMs that they bought cheap from the whale digger in December. They've been holding them until now, hoping the price would go up further, and have just given up waiting. That's just my guess however.

OK, I see what he's saying: stopping the lottery reduced the reward from 1000 CLAMs to 1 CLAM per block, so that means the lottery system was like a pre-mine.

You cut my quote off too early. Check the following two paragraphs and you'll see why the lottery wasn't like a pre-mine at all. It earned you 0.1 CLAMs per block almost all the time, and more very rarely, for an average of *less* than 1 CLAM per block:

OK, I see what he's saying: stopping the lottery reduced the reward from 1000 CLAMs to 1 CLAM per block, so that means the lottery system was like a pre-mine.

Maybe this chart can help show the reality of the situation. Pay attention to how the green supply curve changed when the lottery staking system ended on October 25th last year:



Hint: stopping the lottery caused the supply to increase much more quickly than before.

The lottery was rigged though... which would be a fairly sneaky way of "premining".

Rat4 (the Blackcoin creator/what clam is forked from) allegedly did it.  

He had around 30% of all the Clamcoins in existence at that point as I recall... or more.

I think the lottery was poorly thought out, but not intentionally exploitable. I didn't hear that Rat4 was ever thought to be a major holder of CLAMs. It's possible though.

Sorry Dooglus, I misread your other chart. So if there hasn't been a big digger, the price seems stupidly low at the moment, I guess because people are moving their money into other stuff.

I will be getting back into CLAMS, I like the coin, I like the idea of the distribution and I trust JD, enough reasons for me.