Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.

[DannyElfman]

Nothing is wrong with training kids on how to deal with guns. They will all join the army one day so better start when their young. I dont see us putting our kids in suicide vests and lets be honest. Hamas is no army, they are a terrorist group. Huge difference.

This is very wrong! If you train your country's children how to use guns and shoot the enemy then you will eventually have the children actually act as the military and attack your enemies. Most armys would hesitate to shoot at a child even if the child is putting the men in the army in danger.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Israel is now invading the Gaza Strip
Occupation is a possibility as well discuss?
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/17/israel-launches-ground-operation-in-gaza-strip-that-will-target-tunnels-hamas-uses-to-carry-out-attacks/

Israel has launched a large-scale ground invasion of the Gaza Strip aimed at striking a “significant blow to Hamas’ terror infrastructure,” the military said Thursday.

The first major Israeli ground offensive in Gaza in just over five years was announced despite a blunt warning to Israel against invading the Gaza Strip by Hamas leaders promising to exploit any ground incursion to kidnap Israeli soldiers.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office said he instructed the army to go ahead with the operation after Hamas rejected an Egyptian cease-fire plan earlier in the week and after Hamas militants tried to infiltrate into Israel through a tunnel from Gaza earlier Thursday.

“In light of the despicable and relentless aggression by Hamas and the dangerous infiltration into Israel, Israel is obliged to protect its citizens,” the statement said.

[Alphi]

Nothing is wrong with training kids on how to deal with guns. They will all join the army one day so better start when their young. I dont see us putting our kids in suicide vests and lets be honest. Hamas is no army, they are a terrorist group. Huge difference.

This is very wrong! If you train your country's children how to use guns and shoot the enemy then you will eventually have the children actually act as the military and attack your enemies. Most armys would hesitate to shoot at a child even if the child is putting the men in the army in danger.

most sane people would refrain from shooting at a house knowing that there are children inside it.
people like bob surplus obviously think that it is reasonable...

when you view innocent women and children as legitimate targets then you become the monster that you claim to be fighting against.

[BCEmporium]

Most sane people won't hide behind children.
If you get children being used as human shield it turns into a wipe or be wiped situation.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Most sane people won't hide behind children.
If you get children being used as human shield it turns into a wipe or be wiped situation.

The children of my enemies today will be the terrorists of my tomorrow since Vengeance taints
An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth
I hate to play the Devils Advocate but depending on what side of the conflict your on some might consider using them as shields.

[niothor]

Nothing is wrong with training kids on how to deal with guns. They will all join the army one day so better start when their young. I dont see us putting our kids in suicide vests and lets be honest. Hamas is no army, they are a terrorist group. Huge difference.

This is very wrong! If you train your country's children how to use guns and shoot the enemy then you will eventually have the children actually act as the military and attack your enemies. Most armys would hesitate to shoot at a child even if the child is putting the men in the army in danger.

most sane people would refrain from shooting at a house knowing that there are children inside it.
people like bob surplus obviously think that it is reasonable...

when you view innocent women and children as legitimate targets then you become the monster that you claim to be fighting against.

If there is a guy hiding behind a child or a woman with a machine gun firing at me trust me I will not hesitate a second before opening fire myself.

I've only had the experience of being shot at twice but that was enough to make me think my life is more important than anything else on this planet.

[BoxControl]

Out of curiosity, is everyone here pro-Palestine?

[Swordsoffreedom]

Out of curiosity, is everyone here pro-Palestine?

Hmm 80% Pro Palestine 20% Pro-Israeli I guess

Support the right to Israel autonomy and self defense to an extent but also respect the right to a Palestinian state as written in the conventions and their right to safety and security considering the sheer difference in strength between their states, I want them to have more open borders and trading between them and for Israel to address the mass exodus of Palestinian people from its country in its history.

Oh and Mossad is evil but anti-Hamas.

[niothor]

Out of curiosity, is everyone here pro-Palestine?

No.
I'm anti-hamas.
My love for Israel matches the one for Palestine , close to 0.
But no reason to hate any of them either.

[Alphi]

Most sane people won't hide behind children.
If you get children being used as human shield it turns into a wipe or be wiped situation.

so someone hiding behind a child gives you the right to kill the child to get at the person? seriously WTF.
is that how the law works in your country? because let me tell you that's now how it works where I live.

and where do you expect the women and children go ? they are fenced in on all sides...
maybe you should take a geography lesson before you repeat the propaganda you are being fed.

there is no kill or be killed situation at the moment but there probably will be in the future if the stupid politicians don't stop radicalizing people..

it really escapes me how people do not realize they are being so easily manipulated by their politicians.

the propaganda being used by Hamas AND Isreali governments would make even Joseph Goebbels look like an amateur.


if you give people something to live for and something to hope for the future then they spend their time working towards that.... if you take away their hope and reason to live then all they end up doing is spending their time looking for ways to get back at you...

this is not about Jews are good Muslims are bad.. or Muslims are right and Jews are wrong.. this is not about Pro Palestine or Pro Isreal

this is about giving the world a break from this constant BS that is  perpetuated by the constant Tit-for-tat attacks on each other.

if you want to stop the violence then you have to be man (or woman) enough to stand up and speak out against the injustice wherever and whenever you see it.

[Alphi]

Out of curiosity, is everyone here pro-Palestine?

no.. just anti fundamentalist...

there is not difference between Jewish, Islamic and Christian fundamentalists.. they are all hell bent on proving that their god is the right one and destroying each other..

its those people who are so easily manipulated into giving up their lives for someone else's political gain.

[coory]

Out of curiosity, is everyone here pro-Palestine?

im pro-palestine and i'm from palestine 

[Smack That Ace]

Out of curiosity, is everyone here pro-Palestine?

no.. just anti fundamentalist...

there is not difference between Jewish, Islamic and Christian fundamentalists.. they are all hell bent on proving that their god is the right one and destroying each other..

its those people who are so easily manipulated into giving up their lives for someone else's political gain.

So true and the funny thing is all religions strongly advice to execise constraint and there are just so many similarities like all of them have ONE TRUE GOD.
Still these fundamentalist who portray themselves as workers of the religion are usually the Devil in disguise.
I live in a Muslim country, I am a Muslim by birth but these Preachers with beards and beads  make me sick

[Starscream]

if you want to stop the violence then you have to be man (or woman) enough to stand up and speak out against the injustice wherever and whenever you see it.

Ironically enough your injustice goes towards 1 side only.

People who use other humans as meat shields are the criminals, not vice verse.

People who agree to be meat shields or tell their kids to go be meat shields are the ones responsible for w/e happens.

[Alphi]

People who agree to be meat shields or tell their kids to go be meat shields are the ones responsible for w/e happens.

wow.....
you pull the trigger, some innocent person dies and you are not responsible?

I cant believe people can hold such retarded beliefs.

please do me a favor and join the ground offensive if you believe so passionately about it instead of being a coward that hides behind your keyboard while condemning others to death.

I have already said many times that no violence against innocent civilians is ever acceptable under any circumstances by anyone...

it doesn't matter if they have the support of their people or whether they have a direct phone line to their god
it doesn't matter if they call it Jihad, Crusade, Self Defense, War on Terror or Self determination the outcome is the same.. innocent people die and when innocent people die.. it is wrong.

the Nazi germans used that argument of "Kill or be killed.. eradicate the vermin before they overrun the place and take over everything."

to me those ideas were utterly repugnant.

Islamic fundamentalists use the same arguments... I am equally repulsed.

Zionists use the same argument... I am equally repulsed.

I don't know how you can accuse me of being biased.
but I can rightly accuse you of being biased and callous.

would you still say it was justified if they were Jewish children dying?

[Starscream]

People who agree to be meat shields or tell their kids to go be meat shields are the ones responsible for w/e happens.

wow.....
you pull the trigger someone dies and you are not responsible.

People who are acting as meat shields are not innocent.
People who let terrorists shot from their house are not innocent.

I cant believe people can hold such retarded beliefs.

please do me a favor and join the ground offensive if you believe so passionately about it instead of being a coward that hides behind your keyboard while condemning others to death.

Coward? I already did my time in the army and served on the border. And even if I wanted I wouldn't be recruited for the ground offensive.

I have already said many times that no violence against innocent civilians is ever acceptable. I don't know how you can accuse me of being biased.

And yes, you are biased, all your attacks are one sided, just check your own post history and see how you speak ill of only 1 side 90% of the time.

It's amazing how you think you're a neutral person who seeks peace when you aren't.

By propagating 1 side you contribute.

would you still say it was justified if they were Jewish children dying?

Funny how you now use Jews as your generalization and not Israelis.
And anyway, to answer your question, I would. Thing is, it's not happening (and never will - different mentality) with Israeli people. They don't raise their kids to hate or that dying for the name of god is a glorified death or w/e nonsense.
So its just a theoretical question.

[Alphi]

And yes, you are biased, all your attacks are one sided, just check your own post history and see how you speak ill of only 1 side 90% of the time.

It's amazing how you think you're a neutral person who seeks peace when you aren't.

By propagating 1 side you contribute.

maybe you should re read the history..

answer the question.. if jewish children were being taken hostage by terrorists and being used as human shields... would it be OK to kill them?

I say it is not ok to kill Jewish children or Palestinian children or children from any background.. what do you say?

show your true colours.

[Starscream]

And yes, you are biased, all your attacks are one sided, just check your own post history and see how you speak ill of only 1 side 90% of the time.

It's amazing how you think you're a neutral person who seeks peace when you aren't.

By propagating 1 side you contribute.

maybe you should re read the history..

answer the question.. if jewish children were being taken hostage by terrorists and being used as human shields... would it be OK to kill them?

I did. You edited that in after I already assembled a reply.

[Alphi]

Funny how you now use Jews as your generalization and not Israelis.
And anyway, to answer your question, I would. Thing is, it's not happening (and never will - different mentality) with Israeli people. They don't raise their kids to hate or that dying for the name of god is a glorified death or w/e nonsense.
So its just a theoretical question.

yes ofcourse because people like you don't realize that Palestinian children are Isreali children. Isreal / Palestine is the same land the same country and the same blood.
 I had to make the distinction in case you got confused about what I was exactly asking.

I am shocked.. honestly I am...
shocked that you think it would be perfectly ok to kill children (regardless of ethnicity) if they were taken hostage by terrorists just so you could get at the terrorist.

do you also think it was ok for Zionists to kidnap and kill that Palestinian boy in response to that terrible crime where 3 Jewish boys were kidnapped and murdered by Palestinian fundamentalists?

(I use Jewish here again to make the distinction between Jewish the religion and Isreali the nationality)

im just curious how your mind works.

[Starscream]

shocked that you think it would be perfectly ok to kill children (regardless of ethnicity) if they were taken hostage by terrorists just so you could get at the terrorist.

do you also think it was ok for Zionists to kidnap and kill that Palestinian boy in response to that terrible crime where 3 Jewish boys were kidnapped and murdered by Palestinian fundamentalists?

(I use Jewish here again to make the distinction between Jewish the religion and Isreali the nationality)

im just curious how your mind works.

They were not taken hostage. What are you even talking about.
They were either sent there or went there willingly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTArVIHDelg

Can you provide any link as to prove said civilians were kidnapped?

And no, I don't think the kidnap of the boy was ok, I think they were psychopaths, and it actually saddened me greatly because I haven't heard in my lifetime of an Israeli executing such revenge.