Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.

[redsn0w]

Israel bans radio advert listing names of children killed in Gaza

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/24/israel-bans-radio-advert-listing-names-children-killed-gaza

<< Human rights group B'Tselem will petition Israel's supreme court after advert was deemed to be "politically controversial". >>

Prohibit the information should not be done! It is not ethically right!

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[shogdite]

'The saddest photo yet': Astronaut captures air strikes over Gaza in picture from space station



Alexander Gerst tweets picture showing explosions as Israel bombards territory with missiles

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/you-can-see-the-gaza-conflict-from-space--lkANz-KRWe

[Alphi]

the world is watching... nobody can hide the truth anymore. neither isreal nor hamas.

thousands of smart phones on the ground and even people watching from the skies.

[redsn0w]

the world is watching... nobody can hide the truth anymore. neither isreal nor hamas.

thousands of smart phones on the ground and even people watching from the skies.

Oh yes, now the world know the truth!  But no one intervenes .....  .

[Alphi]

the world is watching... nobody can hide the truth anymore. neither isreal nor hamas.

thousands of smart phones on the ground and even people watching from the skies.

Oh yes, now the world know the truth!  But no one intervenes .....  .

they don't have to..

when the people know the truth they will stop this madness.
the UN is already investigating alleged war crimes by Isreal.

unlike super powers China and the USA... Isreal cannot continue to make war without serious financial help from outside.
Hamas too cannot wage war without being funded from some of the Arab league nations

[u9y42]

Oh yes, now the world know the truth!  But no one intervenes .....   .

they don't have to..

when the people know the truth they will stop this madness.
the UN is already investigating alleged war crimes by Isreal.

unlike super powers China and the USA... Isreal cannot continue to make war without serious financial help from outside.
Hamas too cannot wage war without being funded from some of the Arab league nations

Don't put too much trust in the UN investigation; last time (Goldstone Report) they were put under pressure by the US so that it went nowhere, as we know from Wikileaks. On the other hand, you have campaigns like the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions, which could help pressure governments to take action.

Chances are that this situation will reach a point in which Israel will find itself isolated, much in the same way South Africa did.

[Alphi]

Don't put too much trust in the UN investigation; last time (Goldstone Report) they were put under pressure by the US so that it went nowhere, as we know from Wikileaks. On the other hand, you have campaigns like the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions, which could help pressure governments to take action.

Chances are that this situation will reach a point in which Israel will find itself isolated, much in the same way South Africa did.

I agree US has veto on any UN sanctions and Isreal doesn't care about anything the UN says anyways. Bu the UN does carry weight in the court of public opinion.

the US also needs IRAN to stop its nuclear program so that Obama has a feather in his cap. Obama has to do something to earn that peace prize he was given.
They also need IRAN to help fight the Islamic State (ISIS)

and that cant happen while Isreal is busy molesting Palestinians.

even though the US has recently increased their funding for Isreals Iron dome system, they will probably use this as leverage to drag Isreal to the table while distancing themselves politically.

Isreal recently passed a law forcing their orthodox jews (the ones who don't believe in the violent oppression of others) to join the conscription policy. Many more Orthodox Jews all around the world will stay away from Isreal.

the Zionist dream of a nation full of Zionists ruling over every other ethnic group is almost over. the world has grown past this crap.. even china treats its minorities and occupied peoples better than Isreal does.

[Alphi]

while the war rages on in Gaza this is what the Isrealis do to people who do not cooperate in the west bank.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/in-west-bank-israel-revives-home-demolitions-to-stop-hamas/2014/07/22/c8197236-1dd7-4874-a3eb-f9438065644f_story.html

if you are suspected of a crime then your entire family is punished.
I'm pretty sure this is what they used to do in fascist countries like Mussolini's Italy or Nazi germany.


and even if you don't commit a crime and cooperate completely.. don't worry they will steal your land anyway.

http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Israeli-settlers-councils-build-three-outposts-in-West-Bank-361618

[redsn0w]

while the war rages on in Gaza this is what the Isrealis do to people who do not cooperate in the wet bank.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/in-west-bank-israel-revives-home-demolitions-to-stop-hamas/2014/07/22/c8197236-1dd7-4874-a3eb-f9438065644f_story.html

if you are suspected of a crime then your entire family is punished.
I'm pretty sure this is what they used to do in fascist countries like Mussolini's Italy or Nazi germany.

Yes , this system has been used time ago like the old Fascism with mussolini .

[shogdite]

Israel strikes hit UN school shelter in Gaza, killing at least 10

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2014/jul/24/gaza-crisis-palestinian-death-toll-passes-700-live-updates

The Guardian's Peter Beaumont has visited a UN-run school sheltering displaced Palestinians that was hit by Israeli shelling – or possibly air strikes – Thursday.

Peter confirms a Gazan ministry of health report saying at least 10 people were killed and many wounded in the attack.

NBC News reports that Gaza ambulances have come under attack in Shuja'iya

[DodoB]

the world is watching... nobody can hide the truth anymore. neither isreal nor hamas.

thousands of smart phones on the ground and even people watching from the skies.

Oh yes, now the world know the truth!  But no one intervenes .....  .

Nobody cares about 200,000 (compare that to 700 in Gaza) Dead in Syria,what makes you think they will care about Gaza? i guess people get pissed only when Jews kill Muslims and not when Muslims kill Muslims.

[Alphi]

the world is watching... nobody can hide the truth anymore. neither isreal nor hamas.

thousands of smart phones on the ground and even people watching from the skies.

Oh yes, now the world know the truth!  But no one intervenes .....   .

Nobody cares about 200,000 (compare that to 700 in Gaza) Dead in Syria,what makes you think they will care about Gaza? i guess people get pissed only when Jews kill Muslims and not when Muslims kill Muslims.

its a valid point... Isreal doesn't seem to care that a threat vastly more dangerous than Hamas is growing in Syria and Iraq.

if they did care they would do everything they can to prevent the radicalisation of palestinians not collectively punish them and drive them closer towards radicalisation.

if the Islamic Caliphate grows then Isreal will find it extremely difficult to protecting their settlements in the west bank and golan heights which would be completely exposed.

tactically the absolute worst thing you can do when you are faced with potential threats from all sides is to let crazy civilians go outside the walls and start carving up the land.

Isreal should learn some lessons from the Byzantines. They lasted for more than 1000 years because they had very high walls and they learnt to stay inside when there was chaos all around them.

[Alphi]

A very easy to understand explanation as to why isreal does not want peace with the palestinians. and why the palestinians resist.
so easy that a 12 year old could understand it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sib5HbdEV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZRgzChgaGI

seriously if you cant understand what the problem is after watching these videos then you need your head examined...

[kuroman]

crush civilians

Its not the fault of Israel that Hamas uses human shields. They build their rocket sites on the roof of a house where a normal family lives. hoping that Israel wont strike due to innocents being there. Well guess what.. Israel will attack you from wherever you are.. If Hamas had some balls they would build rocket sites away from the public, but they dont because they want the world to think that Israel is just killing anyone at will. Which is not the case.

Not a single video or picture proving Hamas putting human shields in front of them and shooting at Israelies available on the internet, unless you saw something I didn't. Yes there are families and neighbors protecting each other house and calling for strike in designated house to prevent the bombing but not related to hamas, on the other hand you kind different videos and picture of Israeli soldiers using Palestinians kids as human shields
Proof :  http://crushzion.k0nsl.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/humanshield-jew.jpg
http://www.dci-pal.org/english/doc/press/sabri.jpg
http://crushzion.k0nsl.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/palestinian-boy-as-human-shield-by-jews.jpg
and these are some of the safest images i found and out of respect to people that are reading and in respect to forums rules as this thread is not tagged NSFW

[kuroman]

the world is watching... nobody can hide the truth anymore. neither isreal nor hamas.

thousands of smart phones on the ground and even people watching from the skies.

Oh yes, now the world know the truth!  But no one intervenes .....  .

Nobody cares about 200,000 (compare that to 700 in Gaza) Dead in Syria,what makes you think they will care about Gaza? i guess people get pissed only when Jews kill Muslims and not when Muslims kill Muslims.

I find this intellectually dishonest and doesn't put things into perspective, in 2011 when the conflict started in Syria, they were demonstrations everyday and everywhere in the arab world and in elsewhere supporting the Free Syrian people, there wasn't a day that passed without the media covering the destruction and the death casualties, and there was international support for the syrian cause. The reason why you don't hear much about syria is simply because the western media to free fighters in Syria has proven to be a mistake as extremism has ruled there, and that Bashar Al Assad is winning and that Russia/China support to Assad. afraid to recon the mistake of arming and training extremism (ie ISIS and co) most media went totally silence and talking about is more or less a taboo.

[DodoB]

the world is watching... nobody can hide the truth anymore. neither isreal nor hamas.

thousands of smart phones on the ground and even people watching from the skies.

Oh yes, now the world know the truth!  But no one intervenes .....   .

Nobody cares about 200,000 (compare that to 700 in Gaza) Dead in Syria,what makes you think they will care about Gaza? i guess people get pissed only when Jews kill Muslims and not when Muslims kill Muslims.

I find this intellectually dishonest and doesn't put things into perspective, in 2011 when the conflict started in Syria, they were demonstrations everyday and everywhere in the arab world and in elsewhere supporting the Free Syrian people, there wasn't a day that passed without the media covering the destruction and the death casualties, and there was international support for the syrian cause. The reason why you don't hear much about syria is simply because the western media to free fighters in Syria has proven to be a mistake as extremism has ruled there, and that Bashar Al Assad is winning and that Russia/China support to Assad. afraid to recon the mistake of arming and training extremism (ie ISIS and co) most media went totally silence and talking about is more or less a taboo.

Well then where is the media/internet/Muslim world now? 1000+ killed in Syria in the last week.they are Gone. they come out of hiding only when issues involve Israel.

the world is watching... nobody can hide the truth anymore. neither isreal nor hamas.

thousands of smart phones on the ground and even people watching from the skies.

Oh yes, now the world know the truth!  But no one intervenes .....  .

Nobody cares about 200,000 (compare that to 700 in Gaza) Dead in Syria,what makes you think they will care about Gaza? i guess people get pissed only when Jews kill Muslims and not when Muslims kill Muslims.

its a valid point... Isreal doesn't seem to care that a threat vastly more dangerous than Hamas is growing in Syria and Iraq.

if they did care they would do everything they can to prevent the radicalisation of palestinians not collectively punish them and drive them closer towards radicalisation.

if the Islamic Caliphate grows then Isreal will find it extremely difficult to protecting their settlements in the west bank and golan heights which would be completely exposed.

tactically the absolute worst thing you can do when you are faced with potential threats from all sides is to let crazy civilians go outside the walls and start carving up the land.

Isreal should learn some lessons from the Byzantines. They lasted for more than 1000 years because they had very high walls and they learnt to stay inside when there was chaos all around them.

ISIS is currently not a threat . Muslims always hated Israel, ISIS/Radicalism is nothing new.

[kuroman]

the world is watching... nobody can hide the truth anymore. neither isreal nor hamas.

thousands of smart phones on the ground and even people watching from the skies.

Oh yes, now the world know the truth!  But no one intervenes .....   .

they don't have to..

when the people know the truth they will stop this madness.
the UN is already investigating alleged war crimes by Isreal.

unlike super powers China and the USA... Isreal cannot continue to make war without serious financial help from outside.
Hamas too cannot wage war without being funded from some of the Arab league nations

the financial help they are getting from the US, any UN resolution cannot be applied due to US veto, heck even the Crime war investigations the US voted NO (the only country to do so....) some has strong Lobby.

As for Hamas being funded by arab countries, this claim not only is totally wrong but also proves you don't gasp the situation really well, Hamas only support is coming from Iran the arabs countries in the region consider Hamas as a threat due to geopolitical reason (Iran again and in case of egypt it's the army take over regime )

Well then where is the media/internet/Muslim world now? 1000+ killed in Syria in the last week.they are Gone. they come out of hiding only when issues involve Israel.

Maybe you missed the part that the arabs/muslims were part of that support and were financing the Syrian freedom army till shit happened, everyone is laying down right now being afraid of taking responsibility but again it's not the arabs or the muslims as you name them that have the power to implement and apply UN resolutions.

You also claiming Muslims having problem with Israel as if it is a religious conflict, yet ALL the surrounding countries are in peace with Israel, and this is just an attempt to divert attention, the reality is Israel colonizing Palestine according to UN resolutions and La Haye supreme court, Israel is Killing hundreds of Civilians Palestinians with 50% being children and women and making hundred of thousands of injured and disabled, stealing their land and resources and kicking Palestinians out of their territories (if you didn't know there are over 5 millions Palestinians refugee that don't have the right to go back to their land and properties ..... what's happening right now in Gaza is a genocide !

ISIS is huge danger right now and they just took over Iraq (the country where freedom was spread) and they are expanding rapidly, how aren't they a danger?

[DodoB]

Nobody cares about 200,000 (compare that to 700 in Gaza) Dead in Syria,what makes you think they will care about Gaza? i guess people get pissed only when Jews kill Muslims and not when Muslims kill Muslims.

bullshit, there are sanctions against syria, nothing against israel

As for Hamas being funded by arab countries, this claim not only is totally wrong but also proves you don't gasp the situation really well, Hamas only support is coming from Iran the arabs countries in the region consider Hamas as a threat due to geopolitical reason (Iran again and in case of egypt it's the army take over regime )

does iran still help hamas? figured it would have pulled the plug when they backed the wrong side in the syrian civil war but i don't know

200,000 dead from a civil war justifies sanctions.
700 dead in self defense against rocket attacks is less sanctionable. Besides the Arab league and other Muslim and 3rd world countries sanction Israel and some European countries dont buy products from Israeli settlements.

the world is watching... nobody can hide the truth anymore. neither isreal nor hamas.

thousands of smart phones on the ground and even people watching from the skies.

Oh yes, now the world know the truth!  But no one intervenes .....   .

they don't have to..

when the people know the truth they will stop this madness.
the UN is already investigating alleged war crimes by Isreal.

unlike super powers China and the USA... Isreal cannot continue to make war without serious financial help from outside.
Hamas too cannot wage war without being funded from some of the Arab league nations

the financial help they are getting from the US, any UN resolution cannot be applied due to US veto, heck even the Crime war investigations the US voted NO (the only country to do so....) some has strong Lobby.

As for Hamas being funded by arab countries, this claim not only is totally wrong but also proves you don't gasp the situation really well, Hamas only support is coming from Iran the arabs countries in the region consider Hamas as a threat due to geopolitical reason (Iran again and in case of egypt it's the army take over regime )

Well then where is the media/internet/Muslim world now? 1000+ killed in Syria in the last week.they are Gone. they come out of hiding only when issues involve Israel.

Maybe you missed the part that the arabs/muslims were part of that support and were financing the Syrian freedom army till shit happened, everyone is laying down right now being afraid of taking responsibility but again it's not the arabs or the muslims as you name them that have the power to implement and apply UN resolutions.

You also claiming Muslims having problem with Israel as if it is a religious conflict, yet ALL the surrounding countries are in peace with Israel, and this is just an attempt to divert attention, the reality is Israel colonizing Palestine according to UN resolutions and La Haye supreme court, Israel is Killing hundreds of Civilians Palestinians with 50% being children and women and making hundred of thousands of injured and disabled, stealing their land and resources and kicking Palestinians out of their territories (if you didn't know there are over 5 millions Palestinians refugee that don't have the right to go back to their land and properties ..... what's happening right now in Gaza is a genocide !

ISIS is huge danger right now and they just took over Iraq (the country where freedom was spread) and they are expanding rapidly, how aren't they a danger?

So i guess Muslims are not afraid of supporting Hamas which is a terrorist organization that many Arabs and Palestinians dislike? id keep with the fact that Muslims hate it when Jews kill them but are fine/unwilling to take action when Muslims kill Muslims. AKA hypocrisy.

Israel never signed a peace treaty with Syria and Lebanon,the peace with Jordan and Egypt is hated by the people.

Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005,yet Hamas keeps harassing Israel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza

if you didn't know there are over 5 millions Palestinians refugee that don't have the right to go back to their land and properties

So you say modern Israel is responsible for the actions of 1948 Israel?
anyway its not their land anymore,at least most of it.
I dont support the killing of innocents,but Hamas brought the invasion on himself and on his people when he kept firing rockets on Israel. Hamas doesn't care about the Palestinian people.
If whats happening in Gaza is a genocide i guess Israel is really bad at genociding.

[practicaldreamer]

200,000 dead from a civil war justifies sanctions.

If its a civil war who do you sanction ? And why ?

700 dead in self defense against rocket attacks is less sanctionable.

Define "self defence".

How is it not genocide when 1 Palestinian child is killed per hour ?
 
For me, any kind of "moral capital"/sympathy vote that the Jews might have gained from their horrendous experience during the 2nd World War (and they were not the only ones) has well and truly been exhausted now.

This must end.

[kuroman]

200,000 dead from a civil war justifies sanctions.
700 dead in self defense against rocket attacks is less sanctionable. Besides the Arab league and other Muslim and 3rd world countries sanction Israel and some European countries dont buy products from Israeli settlements.

700 lifes soon to be 800 are trash and shouldn't be considered as human beings apparently and according to you as it seems that this mass murder doesn't requires condanations and sanctions, and your memory seems to be quite short, as if Israel doesn't kills hundreds of civilians every couple of months or so huh... and Please enough with self defense against rockets, we are talking about targeted civilians victims, and there are thousands of proof about this, remember the 4 8 years old kids that were playing on the beach and were blown to pieces in front of international media ? ah yes they were potential terrorist ....
Also you seem to mistake, boycotting product that are produced in stolen palestinians lands, and economical sanctions maybe you need to look up the difference here

So i guess Muslims are not afraid of supporting Hamas which is a terrorist organization that many Arabs and Palestinians dislike? id keep with the fact that Muslims hate it when Jews kill them but are fine/unwilling to take action when Muslims kill Muslims. AKA hypocrisy.

Israel never signed a peace treaty with Syria and Lebanon,the peace with Jordan and Egypt is hated by the people.

Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005,yet Hamas keeps harassing Israel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza

did you read what I said or pretending stupidity, I'll invite you to have a loon on the 2011 media if the arab as you claim were silent about it maybe you also need to check the countries that initiated the push for sanctions against Syria.

Also you are talking peace treaties, I remind you that till recently the south Lebanon was occupied by Israel what peace treaty would have been signed under those conditions, and the fact is still that neither Lebanon or Syria are attacking Israel, heck Israel did air strike in Syria a year or two ago and Syria didn't retaliate.

and as for Gaza ARE YOU KIDDING ME ? Gaza is under siege, closed by a wall, infantry, tanks, warships ect anything that tries to go out get blown to dust, Israel cut water, destroy sewage system, and cut electricity whever they like, not to mention that they do air strikes whenever they want and move in whenever they want fact, is Gaza is an open air prison!

So you say modern Israel is responsible for the actions of 1948 Israel?
anyway its not their land anymore,at least most of it.
I dont support the killing of innocents,but Hamas brought the invasion on himself and on his people when he kept firing rockets on Israel. Hamas doesn't care about the Palestinian people.
If whats happening in Gaza is a genocide i guess Israel is really bad at genociding.

The different UN resolutions and La Haye supreme court disagree with your non sense these two organizations where the Israel lobby via the US and other main nations is strong.
And please go ahead in explain to us how Hamas brought the invasion, I remind you since you seems to forget or ill informed, that Hamas started firing rockets after the arrestations of over 400 palestinians with IDF killing some Hamas members in the first airstrike on Gaza between the 12 and 19 of June!