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The Nobel Peace Prize should be given to Israeli forces for their "unimaginable restraint" in their offensive against the blockaded Gaza Strip, says the Israeli envoy to the United States.this proves that the Isreali propaganda machine doesn't even know the meaning of the word Peace. but then again.. Obama won one for simply winning an election.. so why not.. lolz
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July 23, 2014, 01:38:20 PM |
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the Jews and Palestinians of that region are more closely related by blood than the Middle east Jews and European Jews.
And there are, of course, Arab Jews. Jewishness is a religious state, rather than a biological one. |
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July 23, 2014, 01:40:44 PM |
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the Jews and Palestinians of that region are more closely related by blood than the Middle east Jews and European Jews.
And there are, of course, Arab Jews. Jewishness is a religious state, rather than a biological one. its a state of mind or Ideology more than anything. Zionism isn't even particularly religious or Jewish. the IDF have no problem beating up on orthodox jews who wont join the army. watch this video and tell me which ones are the jews.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPYIXgNEeKg |
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July 23, 2014, 01:42:11 PM |
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its a state of mind or Ideology more than anything.
Zionism isn't even particularly religious or Jewish.
Quite. 100 years ago, Zionism was considered by European Jews to be anti-Semitic. How times change. |
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July 23, 2014, 01:52:29 PM |
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its a state of mind or Ideology more than anything.
Zionism isn't even particularly religious or Jewish.
Quite. 100 years ago, Zionism was considered by European Jews to be anti-Semitic. How times change. oh they are still divided on the issue... but over time most of the people who supported Zionism moved to Isreal.. so now you have Isreal with some 90% or so support for Zionism. and the Jews in the outside world who are either indifferent or do not support Zionism. of course there are also Zionists who live outside of Isreal too.. they are the ones trying to convert more Jews and to make them into soldiers of the future. my Jewish friends aren't Zionists.. if the were they would have moved to Isreal a long time ago. but instead they reject violence and accept cultural and religious diversity. one of my friends even celebrates Christmas. it doesn't mean he is anti-semetic it just means he is open minded. |
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July 23, 2014, 02:05:52 PM |
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its a state of mind or Ideology more than anything.
Zionism isn't even particularly religious or Jewish.
Quite. 100 years ago, Zionism was considered by European Jews to be anti-Semitic. How times change. oh they are still divided on the issue... but over time most of the people who supported Zionism moved to Isreal.. so now you have Isreal with some 90% or so support for Zionism. and the Jews in the outside world who are either indifferent or do not support Zionism. of course there are also Zionists who live outside of Isreal too.. they are the ones trying to convert more Jews and to make them into soldiers of the future. my Jewish friends aren't Zionists.. if the were they would have moved to Isreal a long time ago. but instead they reject violence and accept cultural and religious diversity. one of my friends even celebrates Christmas. it doesn't mean he is anti-semetic it just means he is open minded.
+1 for this affirmation ! |
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July 23, 2014, 02:13:08 PM |
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The issue: They aren't related!
Unlike most of religions, like Islam or Christianity, Jews don't take converts, at least easily, and up to not long ago they hardly married outside their diaspora.
Jews and Arabs were just "that" DNA related before 70 AD, within those nearly 2000 years "Palestinians" were invaded over and over and got waves of immigrants, the Arab population mixed up.
The the other issue: Bible is NOT History, many of those stories at the Bible/Torah were clearly made up or ripped of from some other civilization's legends. Making it hard to know at which point the Jews became actually a people. To not mention the archaeologists set their origin around Ur, in South Iraq.
Still there's an usual confusion with people about "origins". Origins can be somewhat traced if you are of noble origin, if you aren't you can expect to trace back your ancestors at best up to XV Century AD. But this lead to a normal confusion about the names of people and what they mean.
i.e. France got its name after Francs, but it doesn't mean the French population is Franc-descendant, the Franc nobles got lands at France and moved there, but the Franc people didn't pack up and went after nor the nobles replaced the French people, the Francs simply became kings of the local Gauls, obviously some Francs came along, but it's hard to tell how much % of Gaul or Franc a today's French person is, thus mostly will be more Gaul than Franc.
How does this translate to Palestine? We don't know how many migrated from Ur to Jerusalem or if by Jews we are talking about an invading people or a joint of some local tribes with the incoming ones. To which extent then are Palestinian Arabs related to Israeli Jews is way unknown. We just know that between 70 AD and late XIX/early XX Century they hardly had contact with each other.
Still, no doubt that a DNA census would be a good place to start with. But the outcome may make the conflict even worse if the results shows them as unrelated.
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July 23, 2014, 02:26:08 PM |
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Unlike most of religions, like Islam or Christianity, Jews don't take converts
Simply untrue. There have been extended periods in Israel's history where as many as 70% of immigrants were recent converts. Making it hard to know at which point the Jews became actually a people. They aren't a people. Still, no doubt that a DNA census would be a good place to start with. But the outcome may make the conflict even worse if the results shows them as unrelated.
Conflicts can't be solved by DNA profiling. Nationalism is irrational. |
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July 23, 2014, 02:30:22 PM |
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Conflicts can't be solved by DNA profiling. Nationalism is irrational.
No argue about it! +1 |
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July 23, 2014, 02:58:40 PM |
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Unlike most of religions, like Islam or Christianity, Jews don't take converts
Simply untrue. There have been extended periods in Israel's history where as many as 70% of immigrants were recent converts. Making it hard to know at which point the Jews became actually a people. They aren't a people. Still, no doubt that a DNA census would be a good place to start with. But the outcome may make the conflict even worse if the results shows them as unrelated.
Conflicts can't be solved by DNA profiling. Nationalism is irrational. I take your point about nationalism being irrational but you can break it down by dispelling the myths that surround it. showing the people that they are related goes a long way to dispelling the myth that they are foreigners. it wont fix the problem but it will be one more step along the road to reconciliation. I agree for almost all of the last 3000 years Jews have not been one people. the kingdom of Isreal briefly united the Jews for 100 years or so back in 1000 BC and that's about it. just like Christians have never really been one people. |
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July 23, 2014, 11:15:18 PM |
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Love that video. I love the way the IDF takes care of business.. fuck those bitches throwing punches at the IDF. They deserve what they got! |
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July 23, 2014, 11:32:35 PM |
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Love that video. I love the way the IDF takes care of business.. fuck those bitches throwing punches at the IDF. They deserve what they got! And this image : |
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July 23, 2014, 11:43:17 PM |
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Love that video. I love the way the IDF takes care of business.. fuck those bitches throwing punches at the IDF. They deserve what they got! And this image : That's a nice picture.. If only everyone could get along like those two boys. |
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Love that video. I love the way the IDF takes care of business.. fuck those bitches throwing punches at the IDF. They deserve what they got! And this image : That's a nice picture.. If only everyone could get along like those two boys. This is an example of two people of different religions getting along. When people "grow up" this tends to stop. |
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July 24, 2014, 12:53:52 AM |
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What load of solid bullshit is that video?! Do you know why IDF is looking after that woman? Or just because it's a woman they are wrong? |
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What load of solid bullshit is that video?! Do you know why IDF is looking after that woman? Or just because it's a woman they are wrong? This is a real video or is not it? |
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July 24, 2014, 10:27:35 AM |
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This is a real video or is not it?
So what?! There is nothing wrong with it. Cops all over the World make arrests like those. Women aren't saints or non-criminals just for being women. I've no idea why IDF was looking for that woman or what she made to be arrested. |
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