bubble83
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May 05, 2015, 06:30:36 PM |
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I just realized something.. it is impossible to make a trustless pure Proof of Stake cryptocurrency.
Let's face it, you have to get the genesis block from someone and you have to trust that person to provide you with the correct genesis block.
If they provide you with a different genesis block then it's a different coin. It is trustless because every block after the genesis block is cryptographically verified.
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callmejack
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May 05, 2015, 07:13:25 PM |
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I'd like to mine with a Raspberry Pi. So I'd like to know if it just possible. If you don't know how to reply to my question, maybe you can help me by replying to those ones : is it possible to mine on Linux with plots plotted on Windows and is the Pi's CPU as powerful as needed ?
You need SATA2/3 or USB 3.0 for mining BURST. USB 2.0 its too slow for reading(mine) the plots! Check another ARM board with USB 3.0 or SATA port, the cheapest i think is Banana Pi with one SATA. I recommend for mining in linux use their filesystem (ext3 or ext4) not NTFS (Windows) because gnu/linux programs dont like the NTFS system, it will be more slow and its probable to corrupt the plots or have any strange errors... You can always use a LIVE CD like Ubuntu 14.04, download the plotter, and plot to external devices formatted in EXT4, then connect it to the ARM board the pi2 may have better cpu performance than the banana pi which i estimated to be able to mine with 8tb within blocktime (tested with 4tb on a sata port multiplier some time ago). based on usb benchmarks i assume the pi2 should be able to read at 20-25 mb/s on usb2 ( http://www.mikronauts.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-2-usb-hard-drive-and-adapter-tests/). i am not sure if concurrent traffic on different disks decreases the overall performance dramatically. if you can read at speeds of 10 mb/s from 2 disks (which is a really low estimate) you should be able to mine with at least 8tb within blocktime. if you plan a small farm try some usb-c hubs as power supply for the pis (makes the wiring simpler). the tricky part for windows people is the plotting process because windows cannot write xfs or other linux filesystems out of the box. workarounds would be virtual machines with direct disk access and provide windows the device as network share. this is a simple solution but requires some basic linux knowledge. if you have your disks plotted and a system running its almost one of the most scalable and cheapest solutions.
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Erkallys
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May 05, 2015, 07:27:41 PM |
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I'd like to mine with a Raspberry Pi. So I'd like to know if it just possible. If you don't know how to reply to my question, maybe you can help me by replying to those ones : is it possible to mine on Linux with plots plotted on Windows and is the Pi's CPU as powerful as needed ?
You need SATA2/3 or USB 3.0 for mining BURST. USB 2.0 its too slow for reading(mine) the plots! Check another ARM board with USB 3.0 or SATA port, the cheapest i think is Banana Pi with one SATA. I recommend for mining in linux use their filesystem (ext3 or ext4) not NTFS (Windows) because gnu/linux programs dont like the NTFS system, it will be more slow and its probable to corrupt the plots or have any strange errors... You can always use a LIVE CD like Ubuntu 14.04, download the plotter, and plot to external devices formatted in EXT4, then connect it to the ARM board the pi2 may have better cpu performance than the banana pi which i estimated to be able to mine with 8tb within blocktime (tested with 4tb on a sata port multiplier some time ago). based on usb benchmarks i assume the pi2 should be able to read at 20-25 mb/s on usb2 ( http://www.mikronauts.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-2-usb-hard-drive-and-adapter-tests/). i am not sure if concurrent traffic on different disks decreases the overall performance dramatically. if you can read at speeds of 10 mb/s from 2 disks (which is a really low estimate) you should be able to mine with at least 8tb within blocktime. if you plan a small farm try some usb-c hubs as power supply for the pis (makes the wiring simpler). the tricky part for windows people is the plotting process because windows cannot write xfs or other linux filesystems out of the box. workarounds would be virtual machines with direct disk access and provide windows the device as network share. this is a simple solution but requires some basic linux knowledge. if you have your disks plotted and a system running its almost one of the most scalable and cheapest solutions. The Banana Pi looks interesting. But if I go to internal HDD, I need to have a desktop. What is the component recommended (how much GB of RAM, how much thread on the CPU, CPU model) ? About the disks does this one ( http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00144841.html) is good ?
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mczarnek
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May 05, 2015, 07:37:26 PM Last edit: May 05, 2015, 08:52:38 PM by mczarnek |
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I just realized something.. it is impossible to make a trustless pure Proof of Stake cryptocurrency.
Let's face it, you have to get the genesis block from someone and you have to trust that person to provide you with the correct genesis block.
If they provide you with a different genesis block then it's a different coin. It is trustless because every block after the genesis block is cryptographically verified. So what if you call it a different coin? It's important for new clients to be able to trustlessly know they are on the correct blockchain. How can they do that in a Pure POS system? I guess it's possible in a peercoin like system. Though even there it's a much cheaper 51% attack on the POW pay of the system, only to end up with the same issue. I guess that's why Ethereum is including a small POW for every transaction.. Though that doesn't really fix this specific issue either..
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callmejack
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May 05, 2015, 08:37:46 PM |
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I just realized something.. it is impossible to make a trustless pure Proof of Stake cryptocurrency.
Let's face it, you have to get the genesis block from someone and you have to trust that person to provide you with the correct genesis block.
If they provide you with a different genesis block then it's a different coin. It is trustless because every block after the genesis block is cryptographically verified. So what if you call it a different coin? It's important for new clients to be able to trustlessly know they are on the correct blockchain. How can they do that in a Pure POS system? I guess it's possible in a peercoin like system. you can do it if the transaction itself contains everything required to verify it is valid. in other words this means there is no need for a blockchain recording everything from a genesis block over checkpoints onwards since the receiver can verify the transaction on its own. if you would like to have a blockchain in such a design for storing non transaction related information you can add one. maybe for something like aliases, storage, ATs or a message system. the main difference to current coins would be that you dont have any history of other peoples transactions except for those you received coins with.
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mczarnek
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May 05, 2015, 10:34:44 PM |
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I just realized something.. it is impossible to make a trustless pure Proof of Stake cryptocurrency.
Let's face it, you have to get the genesis block from someone and you have to trust that person to provide you with the correct genesis block.
If they provide you with a different genesis block then it's a different coin. It is trustless because every block after the genesis block is cryptographically verified. So what if you call it a different coin? It's important for new clients to be able to trustlessly know they are on the correct blockchain. How can they do that in a Pure POS system? I guess it's possible in a peercoin like system. you can do it if the transaction itself contains everything required to verify it is valid. in other words this means there is no need for a blockchain recording everything from a genesis block over checkpoints onwards since the receiver can verify the transaction on its own. if you would like to have a blockchain in such a design for storing non transaction related information you can add one. maybe for something like aliases, storage, ATs or a message system. the main difference to current coins would be that you dont have any history of other peoples transactions except for those you received coins with. That would definitely help, you couldn't use someone else's transactions in your coin that had a new genesis block that have you lots of money but it still doesn't solve the problem of trustees knowing you have the correct genesis block and it isn't a blockchain full of garbage data.
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Grim
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May 06, 2015, 08:45:13 AM |
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Tiny bug: If you use the proxy feature, the host reports the total GB's incorrect if you have more than one satelite. It is just a cosmetic issue though, because deadlines are accepted from every satelite.
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Bizmark13
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May 07, 2015, 01:21:16 AM |
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I have a bunch of external hard drives and a bunch of laptops but most of them are USB 2.0. Only a few are USB 3.0 and only my newest laptop supports USB 3.0. Are USB 2.0 external hard drives not fast enough for mining BURST?
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sellbuy
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May 07, 2015, 01:31:06 AM Last edit: May 07, 2015, 01:42:30 AM by sellbuy |
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If i buy some hdd now, my ROI may never happen For example 3 x 4TB drives mining solo 24/7 for 60 months from now on (cost and electricity only for drives) Total BURST = 1253000 Calculated for Burst price = 0,00000105 and BTC = 230$ And for Burst price = 0,00000210 For Price = 0,00000105
|Month|Block |Per Day|Per Month| $ Per|ROI for |ROI with 0,6$ per month | |Reward| | | Month|11TB(450$)|HDD Electricity Only(12 watts) 1 6634 2073 63044 15,23 -434,77 -435,37 2 6318 1974 60042 14,50 -420,27 -421,47 3 6017 1880 57183 13,81 -406,47 -408,27 4 5731 1791 54460 13,15 -393,31 -395,71 5 5458 1706 51866 12,53 -380,79 -383,79 6 5198 1624 49396 11,93 -368,86 -372,46 7 4950 1547 47044 11,36 -357,50 -361,70 8 4715 1473 44804 10,82 -346,68 -351,48 9 4490 1403 42670 10,30 -336,37 -341,77 10 4276 1336 40639 9,81 -326,56 -332,56 11 4073 1273 38703 9,35 -317,21 -323,81 12 3879 1212 36860 8,90 -308,31 -315,51 13 3694 1154 35105 8,48 -299,83 -307,63 14 3518 1099 33433 8,07 -291,76 -300,16 15 3351 1047 31841 7,69 -284,07 -293,07 16 3191 997 30325 7,32 -276,74 -286,34 17 3039 950 28881 6,97 -269,77 -279,97 18 2894 904 27506 6,64 -263,13 -273,93 19 2757 861 26196 6,33 -256,80 -268,20 20 2625 820 24949 6,03 -250,78 -262,78 21 2500 781 23761 5,74 -245,04 -257,64 22 2381 744 22629 5,46 -239,57 -252,77 23 2268 709 21551 5,20 -234,37 -248,17 24 2160 675 20525 4,96 -229,41 -243,81 25 2057 643 19548 4,72 -224,69 -239,69 26 1959 612 18617 4,50 -220,19 -235,79 27 1866 583 17730 4,28 -215,91 -232,11 28 1777 555 16886 4,08 -211,83 -228,63 29 1692 529 16082 3,88 -207,95 -225,35 30 1612 504 15316 3,70 -204,25 -222,25 31 1535 480 14587 3,52 -200,73 -219,33 32 1462 457 13892 3,35 -197,37 -216,57 33 1392 435 13231 3,20 -194,18 -213,98 34 1326 414 12601 3,04 -191,14 -211,54 35 1263 395 12001 2,90 -188,24 -209,24 36 1203 376 11429 2,76 -185,48 -207,08 37 1145 358 10885 2,63 -182,85 -205,05 38 1091 341 10367 2,50 -180,34 -203,14 39 1039 325 9873 2,38 -177,96 -201,36 40 989 309 9403 2,27 -175,69 -199,69 41 942 294 8955 2,16 -173,53 -198,13 42 897 280 8529 2,06 -171,47 -196,67 43 855 267 8123 1,96 -169,51 -195,31 44 814 254 7736 1,87 -167,64 -194,04 45 775 242 7367 1,78 -165,86 -192,86 46 738 231 7017 1,69 -164,16 -191,76 47 703 220 6682 1,61 -162,55 -190,75 48 670 209 6364 1,54 -161,01 -189,81 49 638 199 6061 1,46 -159,55 -188,95 50 607 190 5773 1,39 -158,16 -188,16 51 579 181 5498 1,33 -156,83 -187,43 52 551 172 5236 1,26 -155,56 -186,76 53 525 164 4987 1,20 -154,36 -186,16 54 500 156 4749 1,15 -153,21 -185,61 55 476 149 4523 1,09 -152,12 -185,12 56 453 142 4308 1,04 -151,08 -184,68 57 432 135 4102 0,99 -150,09 -184,29 58 411 128 3907 0,94 -149,14 -183,94 59 392 122 3721 0,90 -148,25 -183,65 60 373 117 3544 0,86 -147,39 -183,39
For Price = 0,00000210
|Month|Block |Per Day|Per Month| $ Per|ROI for |ROI with 0,6$ per month | |Reward| | | Month|11TB(450$)|HDD Electricity Only(12 watts) 1 6634 2073 63044 30,45 -419,55 -420,15 2 6318 1974 60042 29,00 -390,55 -391,75 3 6017 1880 57183 27,62 -362,93 -364,73 4 5731 1791 54460 26,30 -336,63 -339,03 5 5458 1706 51866 25,05 -311,58 -314,58 6 5198 1624 49396 23,86 -287,72 -291,32 7 4950 1547 47044 22,72 -264,99 -269,19 8 4715 1473 44804 21,64 -243,35 -248,15 9 4490 1403 42670 20,61 -222,74 -228,14 10 4276 1336 40639 19,63 -203,12 -209,12 11 4073 1273 38703 18,69 -184,42 -191,02 12 3879 1212 36860 17,80 -166,62 -173,82 13 3694 1154 35105 16,96 -149,66 -157,46 14 3518 1099 33433 16,15 -133,51 -141,91 15 3351 1047 31841 15,38 -118,14 -127,14 16 3191 997 30325 14,65 -103,49 -113,09 17 3039 950 28881 13,95 -89,54 -99,74 18 2894 904 27506 13,29 -76,25 -87,05 19 2757 861 26196 12,65 -63,60 -75,00 20 2625 820 24949 12,05 -51,55 -63,55 21 2500 781 23761 11,48 -40,07 -52,67 22 2381 744 22629 10,93 -29,14 -42,34 23 2268 709 21551 10,41 -18,73 -32,53 24 2160 675 20525 9,91 -8,82 -23,22 25 2057 643 19548 9,44 0,62 -14,38 26 1959 612 18617 8,99 9,61 -5,99 27 1866 583 17730 8,56 18,18 1,98 28 1777 555 16886 8,16 26,33 9,53 29 1692 529 16082 7,77 34,10 16,70 30 1612 504 15316 7,40 41,50 23,50 31 1535 480 14587 7,05 48,54 29,94 32 1462 457 13892 6,71 55,25 36,05 33 1392 435 13231 6,39 61,64 41,84 34 1326 414 12601 6,09 67,73 47,33 35 1263 395 12001 5,80 73,53 52,53 36 1203 376 11429 5,52 79,05 57,45 37 1145 358 10885 5,26 84,30 62,10 38 1091 341 10367 5,01 89,31 66,51 39 1039 325 9873 4,77 94,08 70,68 40 989 309 9403 4,54 98,62 74,62 41 942 294 8955 4,33 102,95 78,35 42 897 280 8529 4,12 107,07 81,87 43 855 267 8123 3,92 110,99 85,19 44 814 254 7736 3,74 114,73 88,33 45 775 242 7367 3,56 118,28 91,28 46 738 231 7017 3,39 121,67 94,07 47 703 220 6682 3,23 124,90 96,70 48 670 209 6364 3,07 127,97 99,17 49 638 199 6061 2,93 130,90 101,50 50 607 190 5773 2,79 133,69 103,69 51 579 181 5498 2,66 136,35 105,75 52 551 172 5236 2,53 138,87 107,67 53 525 164 4987 2,41 141,28 109,48 54 500 156 4749 2,29 143,58 111,18 55 476 149 4523 2,18 145,76 112,76 56 453 142 4308 2,08 147,84 114,24 57 432 135 4102 1,98 149,82 115,62 58 411 128 3907 1,89 151,71 116,91 59 392 122 3721 1,80 153,51 118,11 60 373 117 3544 1,71 155,22 119,22
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Bizmark13
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May 07, 2015, 02:04:23 AM |
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If i buy some hdd now, my ROI may never happen For example 3 x 4TB drives mining solo 24/7 FOR 60 MONTHs from now on (cost and electricity only for drives) Calculated for Burst price = 0,00000105 and BTC = 230$ |Month|Block |Per Day|Per Month| $ Per|ROI for |ROI with 0,6$ per month | |Reward| | | Month|11TB(450$)|HDD Electricity Only(12 watt) 1 6634 2073 63044 15,23 -434,77 -435,37 2 6318 1974 60042 14,50 -420,27 -421,47 3 6017 1880 57183 13,81 -406,47 -408,27 4 5731 1791 54460 13,15 -393,31 -395,71 5 5458 1706 51866 12,53 -380,79 -383,79 6 5198 1624 49396 11,93 -368,86 -372,46 7 4950 1547 47044 11,36 -357,50 -361,70 8 4715 1473 44804 10,82 -346,68 -351,48 9 4490 1403 42670 10,30 -336,37 -341,77 10 4276 1336 40639 9,81 -326,56 -332,56 11 4073 1273 38703 9,35 -317,21 -323,81 12 3879 1212 36860 8,90 -308,31 -315,51 13 3694 1154 35105 8,48 -299,83 -307,63 14 3518 1099 33433 8,07 -291,76 -300,16 15 3351 1047 31841 7,69 -284,07 -293,07 16 3191 997 30325 7,32 -276,74 -286,34 17 3039 950 28881 6,97 -269,77 -279,97 18 2894 904 27506 6,64 -263,13 -273,93 19 2757 861 26196 6,33 -256,80 -268,20 20 2625 820 24949 6,03 -250,78 -262,78 21 2500 781 23761 5,74 -245,04 -257,64 22 2381 744 22629 5,46 -239,57 -252,77 23 2268 709 21551 5,20 -234,37 -248,17 24 2160 675 20525 4,96 -229,41 -243,81 25 2057 643 19548 4,72 -224,69 -239,69 26 1959 612 18617 4,50 -220,19 -235,79 27 1866 583 17730 4,28 -215,91 -232,11 28 1777 555 16886 4,08 -211,83 -228,63 29 1692 529 16082 3,88 -207,95 -225,35 30 1612 504 15316 3,70 -204,25 -222,25 31 1535 480 14587 3,52 -200,73 -219,33 32 1462 457 13892 3,35 -197,37 -216,57 33 1392 435 13231 3,20 -194,18 -213,98 34 1326 414 12601 3,04 -191,14 -211,54 35 1263 395 12001 2,90 -188,24 -209,24 36 1203 376 11429 2,76 -185,48 -207,08 37 1145 358 10885 2,63 -182,85 -205,05 38 1091 341 10367 2,50 -180,34 -203,14 39 1039 325 9873 2,38 -177,96 -201,36 40 989 309 9403 2,27 -175,69 -199,69 41 942 294 8955 2,16 -173,53 -198,13 42 897 280 8529 2,06 -171,47 -196,67 43 855 267 8123 1,96 -169,51 -195,31 44 814 254 7736 1,87 -167,64 -194,04 45 775 242 7367 1,78 -165,86 -192,86 46 738 231 7017 1,69 -164,16 -191,76 47 703 220 6682 1,61 -162,55 -190,75 48 670 209 6364 1,54 -161,01 -189,81 49 638 199 6061 1,46 -159,55 -188,95 50 607 190 5773 1,39 -158,16 -188,16 51 579 181 5498 1,33 -156,83 -187,43 52 551 172 5236 1,26 -155,56 -186,76 53 525 164 4987 1,20 -154,36 -186,16 54 500 156 4749 1,15 -153,21 -185,61 55 476 149 4523 1,09 -152,12 -185,12 56 453 142 4308 1,04 -151,08 -184,68 57 432 135 4102 0,99 -150,09 -184,29 58 411 128 3907 0,94 -149,14 -183,94 59 392 122 3721 0,90 -148,25 -183,65 60 373 117 3544 0,86 -147,39 -183,39
You didn't take the resale value (which is even more significant if you buy the hard drives used) and the added value of using the hard drives for storage into account. I would think that most people who mine BURST are using spare hard drives that aren't being used for storage. At least, that's what I intend to do anyway.
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sellbuy
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May 07, 2015, 02:11:43 AM Last edit: May 07, 2015, 02:22:20 AM by sellbuy |
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If i buy some hdd now, my ROI may never happen For example 3 x 4TB drives mining solo 24/7 FOR 60 MONTHs from now on (cost and electricity only for drives) Calculated for Burst price = 0,00000105 and BTC = 230$ |Month|Block |Per Day|Per Month| $ Per|ROI for |ROI with 0,6$ per month | |Reward| | | Month|11TB(450$)|HDD Electricity Only(12 watt) 1 6634 2073 63044 15,23 -434,77 -435,37 2 6318 1974 60042 14,50 -420,27 -421,47 3 6017 1880 57183 13,81 -406,47 -408,27 4 5731 1791 54460 13,15 -393,31 -395,71 5 5458 1706 51866 12,53 -380,79 -383,79 6 5198 1624 49396 11,93 -368,86 -372,46 7 4950 1547 47044 11,36 -357,50 -361,70 8 4715 1473 44804 10,82 -346,68 -351,48 9 4490 1403 42670 10,30 -336,37 -341,77 10 4276 1336 40639 9,81 -326,56 -332,56 11 4073 1273 38703 9,35 -317,21 -323,81 12 3879 1212 36860 8,90 -308,31 -315,51 13 3694 1154 35105 8,48 -299,83 -307,63 14 3518 1099 33433 8,07 -291,76 -300,16 15 3351 1047 31841 7,69 -284,07 -293,07 16 3191 997 30325 7,32 -276,74 -286,34 17 3039 950 28881 6,97 -269,77 -279,97 18 2894 904 27506 6,64 -263,13 -273,93 19 2757 861 26196 6,33 -256,80 -268,20 20 2625 820 24949 6,03 -250,78 -262,78 21 2500 781 23761 5,74 -245,04 -257,64 22 2381 744 22629 5,46 -239,57 -252,77 23 2268 709 21551 5,20 -234,37 -248,17 24 2160 675 20525 4,96 -229,41 -243,81 25 2057 643 19548 4,72 -224,69 -239,69 26 1959 612 18617 4,50 -220,19 -235,79 27 1866 583 17730 4,28 -215,91 -232,11 28 1777 555 16886 4,08 -211,83 -228,63 29 1692 529 16082 3,88 -207,95 -225,35 30 1612 504 15316 3,70 -204,25 -222,25 31 1535 480 14587 3,52 -200,73 -219,33 32 1462 457 13892 3,35 -197,37 -216,57 33 1392 435 13231 3,20 -194,18 -213,98 34 1326 414 12601 3,04 -191,14 -211,54 35 1263 395 12001 2,90 -188,24 -209,24 36 1203 376 11429 2,76 -185,48 -207,08 37 1145 358 10885 2,63 -182,85 -205,05 38 1091 341 10367 2,50 -180,34 -203,14 39 1039 325 9873 2,38 -177,96 -201,36 40 989 309 9403 2,27 -175,69 -199,69 41 942 294 8955 2,16 -173,53 -198,13 42 897 280 8529 2,06 -171,47 -196,67 43 855 267 8123 1,96 -169,51 -195,31 44 814 254 7736 1,87 -167,64 -194,04 45 775 242 7367 1,78 -165,86 -192,86 46 738 231 7017 1,69 -164,16 -191,76 47 703 220 6682 1,61 -162,55 -190,75 48 670 209 6364 1,54 -161,01 -189,81 49 638 199 6061 1,46 -159,55 -188,95 50 607 190 5773 1,39 -158,16 -188,16 51 579 181 5498 1,33 -156,83 -187,43 52 551 172 5236 1,26 -155,56 -186,76 53 525 164 4987 1,20 -154,36 -186,16 54 500 156 4749 1,15 -153,21 -185,61 55 476 149 4523 1,09 -152,12 -185,12 56 453 142 4308 1,04 -151,08 -184,68 57 432 135 4102 0,99 -150,09 -184,29 58 411 128 3907 0,94 -149,14 -183,94 59 392 122 3721 0,90 -148,25 -183,65 60 373 117 3544 0,86 -147,39 -183,39
You didn't take the resale value (which is even more significant if you buy the hard drives used) and the added value of using the hard drives for storage into account. I would think that most people who mine BURST are using spare hard drives that aren't being used for storage. At least, that's what I intend to do anyway. For less than 10 drives too much time wasted for reading forum/plotting/replotting and installing windows 8(under win7 is total mess with memory). Anyway on working machine may be lags. If you talking about > 50 HDDs, that would be another story. And after 4 years these hdds will be obsolete.
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Merick
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If i buy some hdd now, my ROI may never happen For example 3 x 4TB drives mining solo 24/7 FOR 60 MONTHs from now on (cost and electricity only for drives) Calculated for Burst price = 0,00000105 and BTC = 230$ |Month|Block |Per Day|Per Month| $ Per|ROI for |ROI with 0,6$ per month | |Reward| | | Month|11TB(450$)|HDD Electricity Only(12 watt) 1 6634 2073 63044 15,23 -434,77 -435,37 2 6318 1974 60042 14,50 -420,27 -421,47 3 6017 1880 57183 13,81 -406,47 -408,27 4 5731 1791 54460 13,15 -393,31 -395,71 5 5458 1706 51866 12,53 -380,79 -383,79 6 5198 1624 49396 11,93 -368,86 -372,46 7 4950 1547 47044 11,36 -357,50 -361,70 8 4715 1473 44804 10,82 -346,68 -351,48 9 4490 1403 42670 10,30 -336,37 -341,77 10 4276 1336 40639 9,81 -326,56 -332,56 11 4073 1273 38703 9,35 -317,21 -323,81 12 3879 1212 36860 8,90 -308,31 -315,51 13 3694 1154 35105 8,48 -299,83 -307,63 14 3518 1099 33433 8,07 -291,76 -300,16 15 3351 1047 31841 7,69 -284,07 -293,07 16 3191 997 30325 7,32 -276,74 -286,34 17 3039 950 28881 6,97 -269,77 -279,97 18 2894 904 27506 6,64 -263,13 -273,93 19 2757 861 26196 6,33 -256,80 -268,20 20 2625 820 24949 6,03 -250,78 -262,78 21 2500 781 23761 5,74 -245,04 -257,64 22 2381 744 22629 5,46 -239,57 -252,77 23 2268 709 21551 5,20 -234,37 -248,17 24 2160 675 20525 4,96 -229,41 -243,81 25 2057 643 19548 4,72 -224,69 -239,69 26 1959 612 18617 4,50 -220,19 -235,79 27 1866 583 17730 4,28 -215,91 -232,11 28 1777 555 16886 4,08 -211,83 -228,63 29 1692 529 16082 3,88 -207,95 -225,35 30 1612 504 15316 3,70 -204,25 -222,25 31 1535 480 14587 3,52 -200,73 -219,33 32 1462 457 13892 3,35 -197,37 -216,57 33 1392 435 13231 3,20 -194,18 -213,98 34 1326 414 12601 3,04 -191,14 -211,54 35 1263 395 12001 2,90 -188,24 -209,24 36 1203 376 11429 2,76 -185,48 -207,08 37 1145 358 10885 2,63 -182,85 -205,05 38 1091 341 10367 2,50 -180,34 -203,14 39 1039 325 9873 2,38 -177,96 -201,36 40 989 309 9403 2,27 -175,69 -199,69 41 942 294 8955 2,16 -173,53 -198,13 42 897 280 8529 2,06 -171,47 -196,67 43 855 267 8123 1,96 -169,51 -195,31 44 814 254 7736 1,87 -167,64 -194,04 45 775 242 7367 1,78 -165,86 -192,86 46 738 231 7017 1,69 -164,16 -191,76 47 703 220 6682 1,61 -162,55 -190,75 48 670 209 6364 1,54 -161,01 -189,81 49 638 199 6061 1,46 -159,55 -188,95 50 607 190 5773 1,39 -158,16 -188,16 51 579 181 5498 1,33 -156,83 -187,43 52 551 172 5236 1,26 -155,56 -186,76 53 525 164 4987 1,20 -154,36 -186,16 54 500 156 4749 1,15 -153,21 -185,61 55 476 149 4523 1,09 -152,12 -185,12 56 453 142 4308 1,04 -151,08 -184,68 57 432 135 4102 0,99 -150,09 -184,29 58 411 128 3907 0,94 -149,14 -183,94 59 392 122 3721 0,90 -148,25 -183,65 60 373 117 3544 0,86 -147,39 -183,39
You didn't take the resale value (which is even more significant if you buy the hard drives used) and the added value of using the hard drives for storage into account. I would think that most people who mine BURST are using spare hard drives that aren't being used for storage. At least, that's what I intend to do anyway. For less than 10 drives too much time wasted for reading forum/plotting/replotting and installing windows 8(under win7 is total mess with memory). And anyway on working machine may be lags. If you talking about 50 HDDs, that would be another story. And after 4 years this hdds will be obsolete. How do your numbers compare to any other crypto out there? At least with BURST can can mine, provide a service to the network, sit on the coins for a future investment and not be raped by the electric bill. I'm pretty sure any other POW coin out there is going to raise your electric bill significantly and have an even worse ROI. In the early days of Bitcoin mining did people do it to make a quick buck? BURST is going places, either buy or mine it all depends on what your in it for. Good-Luck
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May 07, 2015, 03:57:47 AM |
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Oh Elmit - beside your pool charging 33%, you're now 8 blocks off of reality - you may want to kick your wallet so you can continue to steal from your miners and bots.
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Elit
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May 07, 2015, 10:20:09 AM |
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Oh Elmit - beside your pool charging 33%, you're now 8 blocks off of reality - you may want to kick your wallet so you can continue to steal from your miners and bots.
Why people keep mine in Elmit pool if he scam them? Maybe they dont know they are cheated? Simple solution send to every one msg how he did for invite ppl
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Elmit
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May 07, 2015, 01:41:13 PM |
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Oh Elmit - beside your pool charging 33%, you're now 8 blocks off of reality - you may want to kick your wallet so you can continue to steal from your miners and bots.
Why people keep mine in Elmit pool if he scam them? Maybe they dont know they are cheated? Simple solution send to every one msg how he did for invite ppl That's because Headach does not know how a pool works. Therefore he imagines the missing parts. I am happy with my pool and not a single BURST has been stolen. If you can read the blockchain you CAN verify it, but if you cannot then you are just telling stories. And it does not matter how many accounts you open to attack me here, ... it is still the same, Headache cannot read the blockchain!
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Elmit
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May 07, 2015, 01:47:12 PM |
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If i buy some hdd now, my ROI may never happen For example 3 x 4TB drives mining solo 24/7 FOR 60 MONTHs from now on (cost and electricity only for drives) Calculated for Burst price = 0,00000105 and BTC = 230$ |Month|Block |Per Day|Per Month| $ Per|ROI for |ROI with 0,6$ per month | |Reward| | | Month|11TB(450$)|HDD Electricity Only(12 watt) 1 6634 2073 63044 15,23 -434,77 -435,37 2 6318 1974 60042 14,50 -420,27 -421,47 3 6017 1880 57183 13,81 -406,47 -408,27 4 5731 1791 54460 13,15 -393,31 -395,71 5 5458 1706 51866 12,53 -380,79 -383,79 6 5198 1624 49396 11,93 -368,86 -372,46 7 4950 1547 47044 11,36 -357,50 -361,70 8 4715 1473 44804 10,82 -346,68 -351,48 9 4490 1403 42670 10,30 -336,37 -341,77 10 4276 1336 40639 9,81 -326,56 -332,56 11 4073 1273 38703 9,35 -317,21 -323,81 12 3879 1212 36860 8,90 -308,31 -315,51 13 3694 1154 35105 8,48 -299,83 -307,63 14 3518 1099 33433 8,07 -291,76 -300,16 15 3351 1047 31841 7,69 -284,07 -293,07 16 3191 997 30325 7,32 -276,74 -286,34 17 3039 950 28881 6,97 -269,77 -279,97 18 2894 904 27506 6,64 -263,13 -273,93 19 2757 861 26196 6,33 -256,80 -268,20 20 2625 820 24949 6,03 -250,78 -262,78 21 2500 781 23761 5,74 -245,04 -257,64 22 2381 744 22629 5,46 -239,57 -252,77 23 2268 709 21551 5,20 -234,37 -248,17 24 2160 675 20525 4,96 -229,41 -243,81 25 2057 643 19548 4,72 -224,69 -239,69 26 1959 612 18617 4,50 -220,19 -235,79 27 1866 583 17730 4,28 -215,91 -232,11 28 1777 555 16886 4,08 -211,83 -228,63 29 1692 529 16082 3,88 -207,95 -225,35 30 1612 504 15316 3,70 -204,25 -222,25 31 1535 480 14587 3,52 -200,73 -219,33 32 1462 457 13892 3,35 -197,37 -216,57 33 1392 435 13231 3,20 -194,18 -213,98 34 1326 414 12601 3,04 -191,14 -211,54 35 1263 395 12001 2,90 -188,24 -209,24 36 1203 376 11429 2,76 -185,48 -207,08 37 1145 358 10885 2,63 -182,85 -205,05 38 1091 341 10367 2,50 -180,34 -203,14 39 1039 325 9873 2,38 -177,96 -201,36 40 989 309 9403 2,27 -175,69 -199,69 41 942 294 8955 2,16 -173,53 -198,13 42 897 280 8529 2,06 -171,47 -196,67 43 855 267 8123 1,96 -169,51 -195,31 44 814 254 7736 1,87 -167,64 -194,04 45 775 242 7367 1,78 -165,86 -192,86 46 738 231 7017 1,69 -164,16 -191,76 47 703 220 6682 1,61 -162,55 -190,75 48 670 209 6364 1,54 -161,01 -189,81 49 638 199 6061 1,46 -159,55 -188,95 50 607 190 5773 1,39 -158,16 -188,16 51 579 181 5498 1,33 -156,83 -187,43 52 551 172 5236 1,26 -155,56 -186,76 53 525 164 4987 1,20 -154,36 -186,16 54 500 156 4749 1,15 -153,21 -185,61 55 476 149 4523 1,09 -152,12 -185,12 56 453 142 4308 1,04 -151,08 -184,68 57 432 135 4102 0,99 -150,09 -184,29 58 411 128 3907 0,94 -149,14 -183,94 59 392 122 3721 0,90 -148,25 -183,65 60 373 117 3544 0,86 -147,39 -183,39
You didn't take the resale value (which is even more significant if you buy the hard drives used) and the added value of using the hard drives for storage into account. I would think that most people who mine BURST are using spare hard drives that aren't being used for storage. At least, that's what I intend to do anyway. For less than 10 drives too much time wasted for reading forum/plotting/replotting and installing windows 8(under win7 is total mess with memory). Anyway on working machine may be lags. If you talking about > 50 HDDs, that would be another story. And after 4 years these hdds will be obsolete. I cannot see how the RoI changes with more than 50 HDDs. If the price does not go up, then this coin is also history. It is a pity, because it has AT.
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Elit
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May 07, 2015, 05:42:13 PM |
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Oh Elmit - beside your pool charging 33%, you're now 8 blocks off of reality - you may want to kick your wallet so you can continue to steal from your miners and bots.
Why people keep mine in Elmit pool if he scam them? Maybe they dont know they are cheated? Simple solution send to every one msg how he did for invite ppl That's because Headach does not know how a pool works. Therefore he imagines the missing parts. I am happy with my pool and not a single BURST has been stolen. If you can read the blockchain you CAN verify it, but if you cannot then you are just telling stories. And it does not matter how many accounts you open to attack me here, ... it is still the same, Headache cannot read the blockchain! If you want to tell im some kind bot acc controlled from Headach you are wrong. I don't know him or you and i don't care for you both. What i care is BURST to stay clean from any kind scams. This is cool place for now and very friendly. We don't need any kind bad "promotion".
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May 07, 2015, 05:53:38 PM |
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Tiny bug: If you use the proxy feature, the host reports the total GB's incorrect if you have more than one satelite. It is just a cosmetic issue though, because deadlines are accepted from every satelite. Hi. I have Blago miner v1.150509 in proxy mode enabled and solo-mode mining with my own wallet running , I' m in network with fore rigs ? #1 6501 gb this is with proxy enabled and solo-mining #2 3703 gb pool mode #3 3703 gb pool mode #4 5586 gb pool mode *** chance to find a block : 0.0847 (12087 gb) . I suppose that this calculate must be 19493 gb . Because I started #1 and # 4 and #2 and #3 if I change the order It change the calculation but always only sum of two rigs . Of course #1 I started first and I think always is calculating rig #1+ next started and the other two rig is not get in calculation. all rigs get deadline, in the first miner with proxy enabled I can see all confirmation and IP of all other three rigs. Any idea ? how many rigs blago miner can handle in solo mode and proxy ? The question is also in pool mode and proxy enabled how can I know how many nonce is submitting to pool . It can handle more than two rigs or not ? . It is all right my power hash is 19493 gb or 12087 ? I don't know what to understand.
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Blago
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May 07, 2015, 06:12:14 PM Last edit: May 07, 2015, 06:24:39 PM by Blago |
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Tiny bug:
If you use the proxy feature, the host reports the total GB's incorrect if you have more than one satelite. It is just a cosmetic issue though, because deadlines are accepted from every satelite.
thank you for report! Hi.
I have Blago miner v1.150509 in proxy mode enabled and solo-mode mining with my own wallet running , I' m in network with fore rigs ? #1 6501 gb this is with proxy enabled and solo-mining #2 3703 gb pool mode #3 3703 gb pool mode #4 5586 gb pool mode
*** chance to find a block : 0.0847 (12087 gb) .
I suppose that this calculate must be 19493 gb . Because I started #1 and # 4 and #2 and #3 if I change the order It change the calculation but always only sum of two rigs .
Of course #1 I started first and I think always is calculating rig #1+ next started and the other two rig is not get in calculation.
all rigs get deadline, in the first miner with proxy enabled I can see all confirmation and IP of all other three rigs.
Any idea ? how many rigs blago miner can handle in solo mode and proxy ?
all connected rigs The question is also in pool mode and proxy enabled how can I know how many nonce is submitting to pool .
proxy redirect deadlines from satellites to the pool (except deadlines, which > last sent deadline) It can handle more than two rigs or not ? .
yes, a bug in the calculation of the total size of rigs It is all right my power hash is 19493 gb or 12087 ? I don't know what to understand.
19493 plz PM to me your host's screenshot
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dulce
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May 07, 2015, 08:54:10 PM Last edit: May 07, 2015, 09:04:20 PM by dulce |
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Tiny bug:
If you use the proxy feature, the host reports the total GB's incorrect if you have more than one satelite. It is just a cosmetic issue though, because deadlines are accepted from every satelite.
thank you for report! Hi.
I have Blago miner v1.150509 in proxy mode enabled and solo-mode mining with my own wallet running , I' m in network with fore rigs ? #1 6501 gb this is with proxy enabled and solo-mining #2 3703 gb pool mode #3 3703 gb pool mode #4 5586 gb pool mode
*** chance to find a block : 0.0847 (12087 gb) .
I suppose that this calculate must be 19493 gb . Because I started #1 and # 4 and #2 and #3 if I change the order It change the calculation but always only sum of two rigs .
Of course #1 I started first and I think always is calculating rig #1+ next started and the other two rig is not get in calculation.
all rigs get deadline, in the first miner with proxy enabled I can see all confirmation and IP of all other three rigs.
Any idea ? how many rigs blago miner can handle in solo mode and proxy ?
all connected rigs The question is also in pool mode and proxy enabled how can I know how many nonce is submitting to pool .
proxy redirect deadlines from satellites to the pool (except deadlines, which > last sent deadline) It can handle more than two rigs or not ? .
yes, a bug in the calculation of the total size of rigs It is all right my power hash is 19493 gb or 12087 ? I don't know what to understand.
19493 plz PM to me your host's screenshot https://i.imgur.com/lxjoTXh.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/7hhP7FM.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/DvEJ0rW.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/5nFDcyk.jpgOk thank you blago. If only calculations are wrong , there is no problem for me .
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