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Author Topic: SatoshiDICE.com - The World's Most Popular Bitcoin Game  (Read 399299 times)
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May 08, 2012, 06:44:00 AM
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When Sending funds from an online wallet again the funds are deducted from your account then sent from their wallet, any transfers sent back to the sending address they have no pending deposit so the site takes it as a "donation".

Exactly.  And that's the reason you can't use a hosted (or shared) wallet with SatoshiDice.com (or with BitLotto and certain others).

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If it is not listed here assume it is not compatible!
Note: Any method that sends BTC using only your own private keys is compatible!
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If you are unsure, sending some BTC to Blockchain.info, then buying the tickets with it, is quick and easy.

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May 08, 2012, 07:17:50 AM
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cool fun... got ahead by 8 btc, then lost 7 Cheesy
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May 08, 2012, 07:26:50 AM
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Ive done some research and I think I get it.
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When Sending funds from an online wallet again the funds are deducted from your account then sent from their wallet, any transfers sent back to the From address used are checked for a pending deposit, none are found so the site takes it as a "donation".
You got it ! Smiley

A next version of the Satoshi client will actually let you pick which TX outs (which "from" addresses) you wish to use when sending coins.

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May 08, 2012, 09:24:43 AM
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looks like this has stalled at the moment... even the 'unconfirmed' transactions aren't updating.
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May 08, 2012, 10:24:26 AM
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I think this site is 50% of the transactions on the network at the moment!
Has doubled the use of BTC's
http://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions

And what is great is they have fees on them all so there is even an increase in that:
http://blockchain.info/charts/transaction-fees

Porn paid for the early internet - looks like gambling will pay for the ramp up of bitcoin!
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May 08, 2012, 10:37:26 AM
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looks like this has stalled at the moment... even the 'unconfirmed' transactions aren't updating.


Yep, what's happening? I sent in a bet for 0.1BTC this morning. 2h30 later. Still no reply.

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May 08, 2012, 11:44:20 AM
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same for me...

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May 08, 2012, 11:56:13 AM
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Porn paid for the early internet - looks like gambling will pay for the ramp up of bitcoin!

Damn right, I think btc & gambling is a match made in heaven.

looks like this has stalled at the moment... even the 'unconfirmed' transactions aren't updating.

Yep site is down atm. Waiting......

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May 08, 2012, 12:14:32 PM
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Doh, I should have read through the whole thread before sending my 0.006 BTC  Cheesy

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May 08, 2012, 12:48:03 PM
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I think this site is 50% of the transactions on the network at the moment!
Has doubled the use of BTC's
http://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions

And what is great is they have fees on them all so there is even an increase in that:
http://blockchain.info/charts/transaction-fees

Porn paid for the early internet - looks like gambling will pay for the ramp up of bitcoin!

I think this site, satoshiDICE, is the greatest thing Bitcoin could have ever hoped for this early in its life.  We are going to test so many things about the blockchain, that I didn't think would be possible until many more people jumped onto the BTC bandwagon.  This is great news because these things can now be tested and verified without more people's wealth being at risk.  I think this is the beginning of the second major awakening to Bitcoin, with the first being in the summer of 2011.

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May 08, 2012, 01:11:51 PM
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Ive done some research and I think I get it.
Any address attached to your wallet that has received coins can be selected (automatically by the bitcoin client) as a "From" address for the same wallet.

So any funds sent from a real wallet can be refunded (or bets paid) by sending N btc back to the "From" address.

Correct with the caveat that you actually send outputs so the address you can use is limited by which outputs you have and their value.

Say you have a wallet which has 3 addresses A, B, C

A contains 1 unspent output worth 1 BTC.
B contains 2 unspent outputs worth 2BTC and 1 BTC.
C contains 1 unspent output worth 10 BTC.

So your wallet shows total value of 1+2+1+10 = 14 BTC.  Right?

The satoshi wallet doesn't let you (by default) pick the output to spend but if it did and you wanted to spend 11 BTC you have no choice but to use the output on Address C plus one other output.

If you wanted to spend 5 to 10 BTC your only valid output is the one for Address C.
If you wanted to spend 3 BTC you could for example use both outputs from Address B or use 1 output from Address B and one from A (or A + C).

"Value" is just an abstractions.  Your wallet doesn't just contain addresses.  It contains unspent outputs.  

I send you 5 BTC from my address Z to your address A.
You don't just have "5 BTC" as some abstract value in a ledger you have a distinct unspent tx.

Z--> 5 BTC -> A.  Since you control A you have "5 BTC" of value BECAUSE you have the ability to include that unspent output as an input in some future tx.

Wow... probably deeper into the guts than you wanted to go.

For the purposes of Satoshi DICE if you send funds from the Satoshi wallet the output (and thus address) used will be "random".  It doesn't really matter because any output is fine as you control the private key.  If you can send it then you can access the funds returned to the same "random" address.

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Most online wallets MTGOX, walletbit etc do not assign a wallet per account, your funds are held in a DB.
The deposit addresses provided are for their own wallet, their software monitors the incoming transactions to each address and if its matched to a pending deposit the funds are assigned to the account.  
When Sending funds from an online wallet again the funds are deducted from your account then sent from their wallet, any transfers sent back to the From address used are checked for a pending deposit, none are found so the site takes it as a "donation".

Exactly.  Any shared wallet has that issue.  If a user has the same 14 BTC on MtGox they aren't held in an address (or addresses) which the user controls.  The user's funds are mixed in with every other user and MtGox simply "knows" the user has 14 BTC because it has deposited 14 BTC more than it has withdrawn.  Some online wallets like Strongcoin and blockchain.info DO hold user's coins is separate addresses.  They operate similar to an offline wallet.
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May 08, 2012, 01:22:08 PM
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Hey, what's wrong with this transaction?
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/5124436/0e9313dba12db14e3dd426ca2cd0d39bfb6fc55ca5a00dd057ed10a84e239bc1

It already has 11 confirmations but has not been processed by the system.

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May 08, 2012, 01:40:50 PM
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Look ^ a couple post for the answer.
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May 08, 2012, 01:41:53 PM
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oh, sorry Smiley
and thanks

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May 08, 2012, 01:44:09 PM
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Yes, site is not processing, nothing new, this site freezes for 4-8 hours daily anyway, probably that's when the operator sleeps. If the operator could fix this issue, they would've had much more transactions.

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May 08, 2012, 02:03:13 PM
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It's just this second processed my bets from 2 hours ago.

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May 08, 2012, 02:16:45 PM
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yeap - it works fine already

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May 08, 2012, 02:46:41 PM
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paused again
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May 08, 2012, 09:23:27 PM
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I think there's something wrong, I observed the whole day today, the lessthan 12000 bet wins way too often, the odds of winning seems more like 50%+ instead of 18%, the pool has went down over 150 btc today.

for example, these happened in the past 10 minutes, this has been going on all day today:

Details   2012-05-08 21:01:20   lessthan 12000   61aa5448   2c7c3535   PENDING   5.00000000   WIN   27.08333333   4903
Details   2012-05-08 21:01:05   lessthan 12000   cb84d491   7e7b9370   PENDING   5.00000000   WIN   27.08333333   6349
Details   2012-05-08 20:55:06   lessthan 12000   8e54bee2   5b278410   PENDING   2.00000000   WIN   10.83333333   11054
Details   2012-05-08 20:52:10   lessthan 12000   2deb5f95   8910072e   CONFIRMED   2.00000000   WIN   10.83333333   191
Details   2012-05-08 20:51:24   lessthan 12000   bfbe62c8   60266244   PENDING   2.00000000   WIN   10.83333333   1321
Details   2012-05-08 20:51:12   lessthan 12000   16f6d72f   f99f1299   CONFIRMED   2.00000000   WIN   10.83333333   4218


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May 09, 2012, 01:27:53 AM
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More:
Details   2012-05-09 00:48:23   lessthan 12000   e1a53a7b   91156f17   CONFIRMED   5.00000000   WIN   27.08333333   6970
Details   2012-05-09 00:48:49   lessthan 12000   c7fea645   6a77b240   PENDING   5.00000000   WIN   27.08333333   8587
Details   2012-05-09 00:48:57   lessthan 12000   c2f3b6a1   89e931ed   CONFIRMED   5.00000000   WIN   27.08333333   4133

3 consecutive wins in a minute

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