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July 16, 2012, 03:09:05 AM
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I have been in touch with MTGOX and they claim that the address that my withdrawal request was paid from was not one from mtgox's wallet. I find it hard to understand how that is possible.

It's possible the coins they sent you were 'change' from a previous withdrawal they made to someone else, and so they don't see the address in their wallet.  That doesn't mean they don't control the address however.

And so now they claim the coins that were returned is not in their possession. Is that possible ? What are your views guys ?

The coins they sent on your behalf probably either came from a change address or somebody else's deposit address.  In the first case they should still have your coins, but in the second case they will have been seen as a deposit by this other mtgox account holder, and may well have already been withdrawn by him.

I don't see how mtgox can claim that they don't control the address from which they made your withdrawal however.  That sounds impossible to me.

I don't see why Gox would do this but you could conceivably have a third party handle your hot wallet and in that case the coins would go to the hot wallet handler. As annoying as it is it doesn't seem like Gox' responsibility to sort that sort of thing out. Ohh, I just saw it was 17 coins, good luck.

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July 16, 2012, 03:56:43 AM
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So seriously if MtGox don't return the 17 BTC, they should get a scammer tag like Bulanula has coz they've done the same thing as him - accepted coins by accident but not returned them.

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July 16, 2012, 04:02:36 AM
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So seriously if MtGox don't return the 17 BTC, they should get a scammer tag like Bullanula has coz they've done the same thing as him - accepted coins by accident but not returned them.

Makes sense. And the lulz potential... oh, the lulz... Roll Eyes

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July 16, 2012, 07:12:31 AM
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Thats what I think too, here are the details the original satoshi dice transaction

http://www.satoshidice.com/full.php?tx=89c1f57cc943170a4d56fd10f75636f7c7a0ca3d1be66550962475046391457b
The address in question is 1CFVvAgicGheKxa3PedMgmw78LT5YXrk7a the coins were sent from mtgox when I did my withdrawal request.

It looks like the coins came from one of mtgox's change addresses http://blockchain.info/address/1CFVvAgicGheKxa3PedMgmw78LT5YXrk7a and then have indeed spent the winnings since receiving them, but since it's unlikely to be anyone's deposit address they haven't really spent the coins.  They'll have 17 BTC more than they should have which they could credit to your account if they wanted to.

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July 16, 2012, 11:24:31 AM
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So seriously if MtGox don't return the 17 BTC, they should get a scammer tag like Bullanula has coz they've done the same thing as him - accepted coins by accident but not returned them.

Makes sense. And the lulz potential... oh, the lulz... Roll Eyes

We're going to have some great lulz with this.  Grin
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July 16, 2012, 01:11:32 PM
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Thats what I think too, here are the details the original satoshi dice transaction

http://www.satoshidice.com/full.php?tx=89c1f57cc943170a4d56fd10f75636f7c7a0ca3d1be66550962475046391457b
The address in question is 1CFVvAgicGheKxa3PedMgmw78LT5YXrk7a the coins were sent from mtgox when I did my withdrawal request.

It looks like the coins came from one of mtgox's change addresses http://blockchain.info/address/1CFVvAgicGheKxa3PedMgmw78LT5YXrk7a and then have indeed spent the winnings since receiving them, but since it's unlikely to be anyone's deposit address they haven't really spent the coins.  They'll have 17 BTC more than they should have which they could credit to your account if they wanted to.

Here is a support response message MTGOX sent to me . -

"Hello,

As we explained earlier, Satoshi Dice does not work with our system due to this reason. We generate bitcoin addresses only for receiving deposits, but not for withdrawals. 1CFVvAgicGheKxa3PedMgmw78LT5YXrk7a is not an Mt.Gox address. What happened was that when you transferred funds from your account to SatoshiDice, there was probably one of our users who made a deposit to his Mt.Gox account from 1CFVvAgicGheKxa3PedMgmw78LT5YXrk7a and therefore, the funds were pulled from there to make your withdrawal to SatoshiDice. As a result, SatoshiDice saw that it was sent from that address and returned the Bitcoins to that address. We do not see 1CFVvAgicGheKxa3PedMgmw78LT5YXrk7a linked to any Mt.Gox account and therefore, we do not know whose account it belongs to.

Please have a look at the bitcoin address on your Mt.Gox account and ask SatoshiDice to send the bitcoins back to your Mt.Gox bitcoin address.

Thanks,

MtGox.com Team"

The evidence on this seems to prove otherwise.

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July 16, 2012, 01:54:41 PM
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So seriously if MtGox don't return the 17 BTC, they should get a scammer tag like Bulanula has coz they've done the same thing as him - accepted coins by accident but not returned them.
Oh the laughter....
Mt.Gox.. Return that 17btc...
It would be worth the PR cost to return them..... as dooglus pointed out they did indeed get them back. 

Probably a tier 1 support tech that doesn't have the tools to see it, but still.

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July 16, 2012, 02:03:02 PM
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OK The matter of the 17btc has been resolved with one simple chat on IRC with Magicaltux, I must say he really is very efficient and easy to deal with, I only wish there were like 100 of him dealing with customer support requests.

So my high reccomendations go out to MTGOX for dealing with the matter.

He said the problem was that support can only see and manage the deposit address associated with GOX accounts not the other receiving address and thats why they could not help.



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July 16, 2012, 02:06:10 PM
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OK The matter of the 17btc has been resolved with one simple chat on IRC with Magicaltux, I must say he really is very efficient and easy to deal with, I only wish there were like 100 of him dealing with customer support requests.

So my high reccomendations go out to MTGOX for dealing with the matter.

He said the problem was that support can only see and manage the deposit address associated with GOX accounts not the other receiving address and thats why they could not help.

Yup... that is what I thought:
Probably a tier 1 support tech that doesn't have the tools to see it, but still.

I am glad they handled it so well for you.  Web 2.0 baby!  If that was VISA then your money would have never been returned and you just would have written it off because that would have been less frustrating than dealing with their support.

+1 for GOX on this one I have to say.  (Also not too bad to almost double your money huh;)

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July 16, 2012, 02:28:01 PM
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OK The matter of the 17btc has been resolved with one simple chat on IRC with Magicaltux, I must say he really is very efficient and easy to deal with, I only wish there were like 100 of him dealing with customer support requests.

So my high reccomendations go out to MTGOX for dealing with the matter.

He said the problem was that support can only see and manage the deposit address associated with GOX accounts not the other receiving address and thats why they could not help.

Yup... that is what I thought:
Probably a tier 1 support tech that doesn't have the tools to see it, but still.

I am glad they handled it so well for you.  Web 2.0 baby!  If that was VISA then your money would have never been returned and you just would have written it off because that would have been less frustrating than dealing with their support.

+1 for GOX on this one I have to say.  (Also not too bad to almost double your money huh;)

Yup +1 for GOX for sure.

And yeah doubling your money by accident [PRICELESS]

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July 16, 2012, 05:38:53 PM
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OK The matter of the 17btc has been resolved with one simple chat on IRC with Magicaltux, I must say he really is very efficient and easy to deal with, I only wish there were like 100 of him dealing with customer support requests.

So my high reccomendations go out to MTGOX for dealing with the matter.

He said the problem was that support can only see and manage the deposit address associated with GOX accounts not the other receiving address and thats why they could not help.




Very good to hear they resolved that for you! MagicalTux is the shit.
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July 16, 2012, 09:34:59 PM
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Quote from: mtgox support
1CFVvAgicGheKxa3PedMgmw78LT5YXrk7a is not an Mt.Gox address. What happened was that when you transferred funds from your account to SatoshiDice, there was probably one of our users who made a deposit to his Mt.Gox account from 1CFVvAgicGheKxa3PedMgmw78LT5YXrk7a and therefore, the funds were pulled from there to make your withdrawal to SatoshiDice. As a result, SatoshiDice saw that it was sent from that address and returned the Bitcoins to that address. We do not see 1CFVvAgicGheKxa3PedMgmw78LT5YXrk7a linked to any Mt.Gox account and therefore, we do not know whose account it belongs to.

I hate it when support people are out of their depth and decide to just make stuff up rather than referring the issue to someone with the technical knowledge necessary to deal with it.

This person clearly doesn't know what they're talking about, but is pretending they do.

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July 16, 2012, 11:17:26 PM
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Glad I could help Cheesy Cheesy
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July 17, 2012, 03:47:24 PM
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Update: Max bet raised substantially. Enjoy up to 250btc bets. Make it rain!
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July 17, 2012, 04:54:35 PM
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That sounds like two unlucky losses and you're gone Lips sealed

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July 17, 2012, 05:32:34 PM
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Update: Max bet raised substantially. Enjoy up to 250btc bets. Make it rain!

whoa, swinging for the fences.

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July 17, 2012, 07:40:17 PM
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That sounds like two unlucky losses and you're gone Lips sealed

You can't bet 250 on the very high stakes games, but about 5-6 of them allow bets that high. The max bets are based on a dynamic calculation which ensures SatoshiDice is not exposed to excessive risk (though risk can't be removed entirely, of course... this is gambling, after all!)
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July 20, 2012, 04:38:18 AM
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New bets at less that 52000, 56000, 60000.

The lookup.php page now has a JSON button to get JSON output of the current query.
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July 20, 2012, 01:54:23 PM
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New bets at less that 52000, 56000, 60000.

The lookup.php page now has a JSON button to get JSON output of the current query.

I've also made the JSON output formatted to be human readable, added more data to it (including progressive rolls).

We also now have an API to get information on a recent transaction, documented at the end of  http://satoshidice.com/advanced.php

To make it easier to create applications that integrate with Satoshidice there is a long-poll API for getting information about a past or about to occur transaction. This way an application that just sent a bet can make this HTTP call to get information about it. The query will not return until the transaction is found or the timeout (currently 60 seconds) is up. The following forms show how to use the API.
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July 20, 2012, 05:32:24 PM
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I just noticed you have a twitter account.

It says:

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Which is inaccurate in a couple of ways.

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