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September 25, 2012, 10:44:01 AM
Last edit: September 25, 2012, 12:23:35 PM by billington.mark
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I have a problem with a bet I won a short while ago...

bet info here: http://www.satoshidice.com/full.php?tx=7dc05158a604f318b59503936d797c4060ed0db4c3959d96c5473305fbaa5a03

Bet was stuck on "Unknown" for a good while (a couple of hours), and paid back to a different address (that isnt mine!), so someone else has my winnings.

bet was sent from 1Boi94dTaqS6Z8reo3PVT6rwe8zCBVVvY but paid back to 1Ab9AAuVQnvQfJBv45PUyAc6QV39mQetN3??

Have been betting all morning upto that point with no issues, then this one gets stuck and pays out to the wrong address Sad


Ignore that post, i had a connection issue on my bitcoin client machine which is now resolved Smiley. Sorry!

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September 25, 2012, 03:24:53 PM
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Still many stuck  Angry

Of course only the wins  Cheesy

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September 25, 2012, 07:35:56 PM
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Yep I have 4 stuck. 2 wins 2 losses.

Details   2012-09-25 04:16:37   lessthan 32000   3bc8d42c   a87c6066   14QWdfg   UNKNOWN   0.00300000   WIN   0.00551154   28148
Details   2012-09-25 04:15:34   lessthan 32000   759de70a   a6ac9b57   14QWdfg   UNKNOWN   0.00100000   LOSE   0.00000001   64469
Details   2012-09-25 02:11:59   lessthan 32000   046616e0   bf2fda1e   14QWdfg   UNKNOWN   0.02000000   WIN   0.03957696   27149
Details   2012-09-25 02:07:41   lessthan 32000   3594e62c   89ae0166   14QWdfg   UNKNOWN   0.00800000   LOSE   0.00000001   56081


tx are not found on blockchain when I try to look them up.
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September 25, 2012, 07:43:08 PM
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I know have two outgoing bets that do not appear on the site but are in the blockchain - hadn't seen that before...

1 is now almost 1h15min old...

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September 25, 2012, 10:20:29 PM
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3 questions:

1. is the total of lucky and unlucky numbers 65.535 (including 0) ?

2. has a zero ever been rolled?

3. when exactly will the next zero be rolled?

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September 25, 2012, 11:48:02 PM
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3 questions:

1. is the total of lucky and unlucky numbers 65.535 (including 0) ?

2. has a zero ever been rolled?

3. when exactly will the next zero be rolled?

thanks



1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.msg1199505;#msg1199505

2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.msg1099938;#msg1099938

3. it depends

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September 26, 2012, 12:53:18 AM
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3 questions:

1. is the total of lucky and unlucky numbers 65.535 (including 0) ?

2. has a zero ever been rolled?

3. when exactly will the next zero be rolled?

thanks



1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.msg1199505;#msg1199505

2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.msg1099938;#msg1099938

3. it depends

Depends on what?! Come on man, we GOTTA KNOW! I got my finger ready to place the bet as soon as someone can tell me the outcome of the bet before I place it.
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September 26, 2012, 02:02:53 AM
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Also, I still have Unknown transactions:

Details   2012-09-26 01:56:19   lessthan 32000   f12664e1   a4484fae   14QWdfg   UNKNOWN   0.05000000   WIN   0.09969240   10520
Details   2012-09-25 04:16:37   lessthan 32000   3bc8d42c   a87c6066   14QWdfg   UNKNOWN   0.00300000   WIN   0.00551154   28148
Details   2012-09-25 04:15:34   lessthan 32000   759de70a   a6ac9b57   14QWdfg   UNKNOWN   0.00100000   LOSE   0.00000001   64469
Details   2012-09-25 02:07:41   lessthan 32000   3594e62c   89ae0166   14QWdfg   UNKNOWN   0.00800000   LOSE   0.00000001   56081
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September 26, 2012, 06:16:31 AM
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Depends on what?! Come on man, we GOTTA KNOW! I got my finger ready to place the bet as soon as someone can tell me the outcome of the bet before I place it.

Depends on the day's secret, and your transaction ID.  I wonder how many people have access to the daily secrets before they're published.

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September 26, 2012, 02:27:28 PM
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They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112986.0  Wink

We love your site, keep up the great work.

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September 26, 2012, 05:16:48 PM
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Is there an official contact for SatoshiDice?
Erik Voorhees is them an you should contact ^^
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September 26, 2012, 09:07:53 PM
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Hey all,

Bug was discovered today that had caused some stuck txs. 

After some digging...

Some transactions were missed by the main processing watcher (which
happens).  One of the backup watchers should have caught them but didn't
because that address (1diceDCd27Cc22HV3qPNZKwGnZ8QwhLTc) was one of
the new ones added a while back and we had forgotten to update the watch list.

We're reimporting a few days of blocks now which will get them in and then
the transaction will be processed normally.
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September 28, 2012, 04:16:10 PM
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Hey all,

Bug was discovered today that had caused some stuck txs. 

After some digging...

Some transactions were missed by the main processing watcher (which
happens).  One of the backup watchers should have caught them but didn't
because that address (1diceDCd27Cc22HV3qPNZKwGnZ8QwhLTc) was one of
the new ones added a while back and we had forgotten to update the watch list.

We're reimporting a few days of blocks now which will get them in and then
the transaction will be processed normally.

Thanks for fixing this!

You got it, boss Wink
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September 28, 2012, 05:14:23 PM
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Can you develop an alternative game where the I can win what I actually rolled? for example, I rolled a 18, but my bet was on lessthan 64000, so I missed out on a potentially big payout. In this alternative game, if I roll a 18, then I get paid the 1998.853x multiplier or whatever multiplier that would be mathematically correct. I'd like to play this style.

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September 28, 2012, 05:42:03 PM
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Yeah, a game needs to be made that more closely mimics a scratch off lotto ticket.  Multiple different prize levels to win with on transaction, and every transaction has a chance at a jackpot prize level.
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September 28, 2012, 06:07:45 PM
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Can you develop an alternative game where the I can win what I actually rolled? for example, I rolled a 18, but my bet was on lessthan 64000, so I missed out on a potentially big payout. In this alternative game, if I roll a 16, then I get paid the 1998.853x multiplier or whatever multiplier that would be mathematically correct. I'd like to play this style.

If they paid 64000x for every zero, 31981.573x for every 1, etc. using the current payouts, the expected return per 1 BTC bet would be 9.3 BTC.

So to make a game with a small positive (1.9%) expectation for the house, but with the same proportions of the payouts, we need to scale the current multipliers back by 9.3 / 0.981.  I left the 'losing' return at 0.005, and slightly adjusted the 3rd decimal place of the payouts to make it work.  Then we get:

Code:
lessthan 1 6750.942x
lessthan 2 3373.527x
lessthan 4 1686.764x
lessthan 8 843.382x
lessthan 16 421.691x
lessthan 32 210.846x
lessthan 64 105.423x
lessthan 128   52.712x
lessthan 256   26.356x
lessthan 512   13.178x
lessthan 1000    6.747x
lessthan 1500    4.498x
lessthan 2000    3.374x
lessthan 3000    2.249x
lessthan 4000    1.687x
lessthan 6000    1.125x
lessthan 8000    0.844x
lessthan 12000    0.563x
lessthan 16000    0.422x
lessthan 24000    0.282x
lessthan 32000    0.211x
lessthan 32768    0.206x
lessthan 48000    0.141x
lessthan 52000    0.130x
lessthan 56000    0.121x
lessthan 60000    0.113x
lessthan 64000    0.106x
64000 or more    0.005x

Which gives pretty much the correct house edge:

Code:
>>> (
     1 * 6750.942 +
     1 * 3373.527 +
     2 * 1686.764 +
     4 *  843.382 +
     8 *  421.691 +
    16 *  210.846 +
    32 *  105.423 +
    64 *   52.712 +
   128 *   26.356 +
   256 *   13.178 +
   488 *    6.747 +
   500 *    4.498 +
   500 *    3.374 +
  1000 *    2.249 +
  1000 *    1.687 +
  2000 *    1.125 +
  2000 *    0.844 +
  4000 *    0.563 +
  4000 *    0.422 +
  8000 *    0.282 +
  8000 *    0.211 +
   768 *    0.206 +
 15232 *    0.141 +
  4000 *    0.130 +
  4000 *    0.121 +
  4000 *    0.113 +
  4000 *    0.106 +
  1536 *    0.005) / 65536

0.9810327911376953

Would people be willing to play a game where you need to roll less than 6000 to 'win'?  It means that less than one ticket in ten is a winning ticket.

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September 29, 2012, 12:19:39 PM
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Yeah, a game needs to be made that more closely mimics a scratch off lotto ticket.  Multiple different prize levels to win with on transaction, and every transaction has a chance at a jackpot prize level.

love tester scratch off
baby slots mini scratch off
ladders (WIP scratch off's)
Slowpoke Novelty scratch off
WikiLeaks Donations Is a scratch off game where the jackpot is donated to wikileaks (~0.5 btc so far).

We welcome any suggestions for scratch off games

Also Sic Bo single dice number bets have 3 types of payouts for how many of dice match the number you picked and our clone dice game also features progressive jackpots.

We also have bitcoin links for quick and easy betting via multibit, BitSpinner, Android Wallet and Blockchain.info Wallets Cheesy
Our websites are constantly being improved, we do apologize for the retro look on many of the pages.

Sorry for the spam satoshidice.com Cheesy but we saw gamers asking for literally our games Wink , as always we love your work.
Consider this a free bump for your thread.

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September 29, 2012, 12:58:52 PM
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No - it's not a free bump - it's you trying to steal his customers and using his popularity without paying for it and then making up excuses for it.

... hopefully you lose business for doing this, not gain from it ...

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No - it's not a free bump - it's you trying to steal his customers and using his popularity without paying for it and then making up excuses for it.

... hopefully you lose business for doing this, not gain from it ...

No, it is just us letting people know these games are currently available. We hope to see SatoshiDice.com expand their select soon Cheesy

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September 29, 2012, 04:02:36 PM
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Can you develop an alternative game where the I can win what I actually rolled? for example, I rolled a 18, but my bet was on lessthan 64000, so I missed out on a potentially big payout. In this alternative game, if I roll a 16, then I get paid the 1998.853x multiplier or whatever multiplier that would be mathematically correct. I'd like to play this style.

If they paid 64000x for every zero, 31981.573x for every 1, etc. using the current payouts, the expected return per 1 BTC bet would be 9.3 BTC.

So to make a game with a small positive (1.9%) expectation for the house, but with the same proportions of the payouts, we need to scale the current multipliers back by 9.3 / 0.981.  I left the 'losing' return at 0.005, and slightly adjusted the 3rd decimal place of the payouts to make it work.  Then we get:

Code:
lessthan 1 6750.942x
lessthan 2 3373.527x
lessthan 4 1686.764x
lessthan 8 843.382x
lessthan 16 421.691x
lessthan 32 210.846x
lessthan 64 105.423x
lessthan 128   52.712x
lessthan 256   26.356x
lessthan 512   13.178x
lessthan 1000    6.747x
lessthan 1500    4.498x
lessthan 2000    3.374x
lessthan 3000    2.249x
lessthan 4000    1.687x
lessthan 6000    1.125x
lessthan 8000    0.844x
lessthan 12000    0.563x
lessthan 16000    0.422x
lessthan 24000    0.282x
lessthan 32000    0.211x
lessthan 32768    0.206x
lessthan 48000    0.141x
lessthan 52000    0.130x
lessthan 56000    0.121x
lessthan 60000    0.113x
lessthan 64000    0.106x
64000 or more    0.005x

Which gives pretty much the correct house edge:

Code:
>>> (
     1 * 6750.942 +
     1 * 3373.527 +
     2 * 1686.764 +
     4 *  843.382 +
     8 *  421.691 +
    16 *  210.846 +
    32 *  105.423 +
    64 *   52.712 +
   128 *   26.356 +
   256 *   13.178 +
   488 *    6.747 +
   500 *    4.498 +
   500 *    3.374 +
  1000 *    2.249 +
  1000 *    1.687 +
  2000 *    1.125 +
  2000 *    0.844 +
  4000 *    0.563 +
  4000 *    0.422 +
  8000 *    0.282 +
  8000 *    0.211 +
   768 *    0.206 +
 15232 *    0.141 +
  4000 *    0.130 +
  4000 *    0.121 +
  4000 *    0.113 +
  4000 *    0.106 +
  1536 *    0.005) / 65536

0.9810327911376953

Would people be willing to play a game where you need to roll less than 6000 to 'win'?  It means that less than one ticket in ten is a winning ticket.

No actually, this is a good idea!

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