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[Sierra8561]

I see Juvia is in the building...

Welcome back, Citronick! 

That may prompt my return. I know my blocks hit are consistent with what they should be. But my hardware is mostly s9's. I guess until we have long term data, it is a crap shoot.

[ZACHM]

Come on back, you know you want to, and we all want you to.  

I know many of you are worried about the S9's, but there has yet to be any proof that there is anything terribly amiss with them.

Kano has all the numbers and here is his comment (Pay particular attention to the bold):

They do have the worst luck and the worst CDF on the pool for miner types connected directly to the pool.
But the numbers aren't in the realms of improbability - and it doesn't include any using proxies.

Kano,
You say they have the worst luck and worst CDF of miners connected to the pool.
Have you run luck and CDF numbers for each type of ASIC mining at the pool? S3's, S4's A4's, A6's, SP20's, etc?
Just curious what the luckiest miners are.

[citronick]

I see Juvia is in the building...

Welcome back, Citronick!  

Lessons Learnt from Juvia's short holiday.... & random thoughts.

1. 300PHs pool vs 30PHs pool = same excitement during the good days, same agonizing feeling during bad days.

2. That random lucky miner grabs that block for the pool, irregardless of its lucky factor - every dog/miner has its days. There is no such thing as a unlucky block solving share...

3. If there was a "most minimalist yet functional front-end" -- Kano will win it hands down. Pretty pool vs Simple pool - I will take the no frills, lightning speed any time.

4. I wish I setup the farm with proxy server from day 1... moving pools manually is PITA

5. Like it or not, S9 is still the miner to beat as far as price/hash/power consumption - I cant say the same for her quality levels and support, although I have successfully politely arm twisted them for 2 hash boards - FOC. The need for a strong competitor is crucially needed now... because I will expand non-BTC mining operations if we dont see a viable competitor in 6 months.

6. A brief visit to a kano pool clone, got me a personal account manager complete with Whatsapp interaction etc. ---- duhhh, I want BTC not TLC. I swear, 1 hour into joining this pool, Juvia solved a block for the pool but... all I hear are crickets sounds because this pool dont have a Bitcointalk thread.... missing the chicken brigade at kano.

7. Pings from my ISP to the pools were surprisingly fast. ie. like xx ms -- double digit aint too bad.

8. Yes, Juvia did visit the mothership and got a couple of BTCs during her stay - nothing special although almost 30 blocks in one day would be nice at kano...

9. most important lesson is, IMHO, there's more to a pool than just a webpage and slick coding.... the international diverse community, knowledge sharing, the OPs, the topics, dramas and controversies, handling sensitive topics and issues, new friends and acquaintances, etc =  I think besides earning BTCs, these are the reasons for miners probably justify their long term or short term stay at any pool

[citronick]

Come on back, you know you want to, and we all want you to.  

I know many of you are worried about the S9's, but there has yet to be any proof that there is anything terribly amiss with them.

Kano has all the numbers and here is his comment (Pay particular attention to the bold):

They do have the worst luck and the worst CDF on the pool for miner types connected directly to the pool.
But the numbers aren't in the realms of improbability - and it doesn't include any using proxies.

Kano,
You say they have the worst luck and worst CDF of miners connected to the pool.
Have you run luck and CDF numbers for each type of ASIC mining at the pool? S3's, S4's A4's, A6's, SP20's, etc?
Just curious what the luckiest miners are.

A miner type leader board... would be interesting, yes?

[Liad.Services]

Come on back, you know you want to, and we all want you to.  

I know many of you are worried about the S9's, but there has yet to be any proof that there is anything terribly amiss with them.

Kano has all the numbers and here is his comment (Pay particular attention to the bold):

They do have the worst luck and the worst CDF on the pool for miner types connected directly to the pool.
But the numbers aren't in the realms of improbability - and it doesn't include any using proxies.

Kano,
You say they have the worst luck and worst CDF of miners connected to the pool.
Have you run luck and CDF numbers for each type of ASIC mining at the pool? S3's, S4's A4's, A6's, SP20's, etc?
Just curious what the luckiest miners are.

A miner type leader board... would be interesting, yes?

Yes,and also a monthly prizes for the best miners will be great.
I also had a problem when my full node shut down,I guess because an attack,but I restarted it and it is now back to normal.
How do you guys handle attacks?

[ZACHM]

That would not work for several reasons but primarily, where would the prizes come from?
You are not doing anything special by using the best miner so why should you get a prize for it? 

[os2sam]

I also had a problem when my full node shut down,I guess because an attack,but I restarted it and it is now back to normal.
How do you guys handle attacks?

What makes you think it was an "attack"?

BitcoinQT .10 and above really suck.  I had .9.5 and earlier versions running for months at a time with no problems.  But the newer versions run for a day or two to maybe a week or so then either crash or consume all CPU power and dog the system completely down.

So, do you have evidence that leads you to think it was an attack?

[Xircom]

<snip>
Offtopic - my question to "organofcorti"...
Its not always, I see pioneer members like "organofcorti" commenting on a "small topic" like this one on "S9 bad luck" ; I would like his comment and long term outlook, on the lack of mining equipment and monopoly of a single vendor in this industry. Recently, my investors and I, frustrated with Bitmain and sub-par S9s, we forgo buying more S9s, and invested in more GPU rigs for ETH and ZEC mining. I forsee that this is going be a key sanity check for miners in general. What is your opinion?

Thanks

citronick

Mining luck is never off topic on this board, and it's not a small topic. In fact (as long term miners will tell you) it's a bit of a hobby horse for me, dating back to the 2011 (unfounded) accusations of malfeasance against BTC Guild after a period of bad luck on that pool. I've written a little introduction to mining luck here: http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2015/07/faq-bitcoin-mining-and-luck-statistic.html

As for your actual (and offtopic) question, my opinion (and it's just that) is that rather than miners moving to altcoins, a market leader in btc mining equipment that creates a poor product and provides no recompense to customers is likely to provide fertile soil for the entry of a new manufacturer of btc mining equipment.

I tossed a fourth blade yesterday.

So I am still waiting for a replacement for the blade I sent in to bitmainwarranty on OCT 4th they acknowledge receipt on Oct 6th.

That blade is out of warranty and I was willing to pay to repair it.

The blade I tossed is out of warranty.  So how do I send it in when it is 21 days on the last blade.

So I am down 2 blades .

While this is off topic the s9 is the only viable miner at this moment.

So I will mine with the solar array we are now using 18 amps.  we have  72 amps available.
Options are add more (blank coin) gpus.  or hold my 20+ coins  and wait for a new company to add miners.

So far the holding is not painful  as we are near 700 usd.

And  so far BTC has hung in the game as the leader  coin despite Bitmaintech's  s9 monopoly.

I am hoping for coins to soon go to 800 usd.  my 20btc  will be over  16k  which is better then mining.

Just had my farm running 100% for some few hours after I got a shipment back from Bitmain. 2 x S9 boards and 5 x S7 boards...
Now one S9 miner just lost 2 boards, so 100% was just a short luck.... I hate these S9`s with the BMiner 2.0
Just noticed if I try to downgrade firmware I get a firmware failure....

[not.you]

Just had my farm running 100% for some few hours after I got a shipment back from Bitmain. 2 x S9 boards and 5 x S7 boards...
Now one S9 miner just lost 2 boards, so 100% was just a short luck.... I hate these S9`s with the BMiner 2.0
Just noticed if I try to downgrade firmware I get a firmware failure....

yikes.  My final S7 is getting replaced by an S9 tomorrow or Tuesday when it arrives from UPS.  I tried waiting for an alternative but there just isn't one.  I hate to replace this S7 too, it is an early batch S7 with the extra chips and has been running OC'd past 5 Th/s since about the 3rd of 4th week I had it and never had a problem, even found a block here last spring.  I sure hope this S9 is problem free for me.  

[firetreeactual]

Guess I didn't miss too awful much...Internet was down here for three hours. Just came back up.

Since I don't rely on mining to pay my basic bills, I'm going to wait.

[wmabern]

Okay, boys and girls, time to knock out this ugly, red block so that we can move on to the GREEN BLOCKS!!!

That's my encouraging word for the day! 

My ~50TH is plugging away. It's only a mater of time...... 

[kano]

That would not work for several reasons but primarily, where would the prizes come from?
You are not doing anything special by using the best miner so why should you get a prize for it?  

Prizes come up here when manufacturers want to prompt people to buy their hardware
(and then sometimes during that I may throw in some BTC prizes also)

Unfortunately, at the moment, there's only one manufacturer I'd consider 'letting' them advertise here, since there's really only 2 left of the planet.
However, we're all still waiting for something to happen with that one ... hopefully soon.

Tiny prizes are pointless since they are basically an attempt to attract small miners.
I'm not interested in attracting small miners with prizes since that really doesn't help the pool at all.
There are lots of small miners on the pool, and I've never banned one for being too small ... that wasn't being stupid CPU/GPU mining
But when you consider that a proxy uses as much pool resources as a single miner, trying to get lotsa tiny miners on the pool is not a good move for the pool at all.
I currently consider S1 or smaller as tiny.

I'm, of course, not going to run a zero fee pool, but with the fees as low as they are, the payouts including transaction fees, our block distribution being the best around (though I'm working on updating that again soon) and the pool itself ensuring we don't mine empty blocks, that's the ongoing prize of this pool - maximising expected returns.

[firetreeactual]

...and there you have it. On the same page.

[ZACHM]

Prizes come up here when manufacturers want to prompt people to buy their hardware
(and then sometimes during that I may throw in some BTC prizes also)

Yes I understand the contests, but I was referring to this:

Yes,and also a monthly prizes for the best miners will be great.

And my point was that you can't be giving out prizes every month for the "best" miner.

I'm, of course, not going to run a zero fee pool, but with the fees as low as they are, the payouts including transaction fees, our block distribution being the best around (though I'm working on updating that again soon) and the pool itself ensuring we don't mine empty blocks, that's the ongoing prize of this pool - maximising expected returns.

That is why we all mine here. You are constantly working on everything to maximize the expected returns.


Maybe you missed this or ignored it?

Kano,
You say they have the worst luck and worst CDF of miners connected to the pool.
Have you run luck and CDF numbers for each type of ASIC mining at the pool? S3's, S4's A4's, A6's, SP20's, etc?
Just curious what the luckiest miners are.

The reason I ask is that you have shown us the S9 CDF and I was just wondering how they compare to other ASICs.

[xxcsu]

the pool gain back a little bit more than 5k Th/s in the past few days, and we run into a "blockless day" ...well... more than a "blockless day" , last block found 31h 31m hours ago ...

[ZACHM]

Correlation doesn't imply causation.



I felt that was appropriate here. If we all eat more chicken we will go To The Moon!

[fvineyard]

Woohoo! Glad to see that red block fall

[clgrissom3]

Block by BTC2X with 23TH/s!  This is his 2nd Kano block and our 2nd of the day!   

I'm a little late as this happened about 3 hours ago.  I could not get into the forum. 

[Sierra8561]

I'm back willing to risk the S9 isn't jeopardising the pool. Missed being here and it's great to be back.

[firetreeactual]

Block by BTC2X with 23TH/s!  This is his 2nd Kano block and our 2nd of the day!   

I'm a little late as this happened about 3 hours ago.  I could not get into the forum. 

I've had trouble periodically getting here as well for the past 24 hrs or so.

...and...welcome back, Sierra...hang in there.