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[kano]

Has anyone ever used genesis mining?
Could you PM me your account and when you did?
I want to be able to track (and probably block) their access to the pool, since they are the ones who caused the withholding on slush.
(no it won't affect your payouts)

Do you think we may have interlopers on the pool now with mischief on their mind? Or just exploring possibilities?

I already track *Hash and MRR, I also want to track them ... especially since they have already in the past withheld blocks and got away with it scott free.

[Xircom]

Wow if this turns out to be the same dead block period Slush had some months ago and it turns out to be Genesis....
Did Slush operator tell you it was Genesis ? or is it just a hint ?

[kano]

Wow if this turns out to be the same dead block period Slush had some months ago and it turns out to be Genesis....
Did Slush operator tell you it was Genesis ? or is it just a hint ?

Slush told no one.
I found out from ... "someone else" ...

Slush let them get off scott free and all the miners at Slush lost between 10% and 20% for a month, that was being paid to Genesis for that month.

Basically Genesis should have returned all the mining rewards they got (probably more than 500 BTC) to the pool and Slush should have given it to all the other miners at his pool.

Genesis was testing their mining platform on a live pool - the platform didn't work - it withheld all blocks.

I seriously cannot understand how Slush and Genesis came to an agreement that all the miners at Slush should pay for Genesis' failed testing of their mining platform.

[hurricandave]

They may have been the ones who pointed at BTCGuild after Slush caught them. It took a little while but they got caught there too.

[wmabern]

Has anyone ever used genesis mining?
Could you PM me your account and when you did?
I want to be able to track (and probably block) their access to the pool, since they are the ones who caused the withholding on slush.
(no it won't affect your payouts)

Do you think we may have interlopers on the pool now with mischief on their mind? Or just exploring possibilities?

I already track *Hash and MRR, I also want to track them ... especially since they have already in the past withheld blocks and got away with it scott free.

That's great that you're trying to cover all possibilities. If it's anything other than bad luck, that would suck even worse. I'd want to get my hands around someone's neck.

Personally, I haven't used NH/WH in a long while. I do use MRR in small doses to:
a) increase my hash power
b) cover my hash when I have to shut down my miners almost daily because of afternoon summer thunderstorms. According to the weather radar, I'll have to shut down around 3:00 this afternoon.

My workers from MRR are noted as such. Ex: whirledps.MRR, etc.

Thanks for the keen vigilance!

Hoping for a couple of green blocks today!

[CryptoBuddha]

I already track *Hash and MRR, I also want to track them ... especially since they have already in the past withheld blocks and got away with it scott free.

OOps...  Kano, is there really some evidence that NH has ever withheld blocks as well? I fool around once a week with some rentals at solo.ckpool as a lottery, so is it really that pointless to rent there anything? I'm asking because I have much more positive feedback for NH & MRR than negative. Confusing...  

[d57heinz]

yea i picked a hell of a time to throw 1 btc at nice hash  ,.. was just for fun anyway.. was from an exchange crediting me with that scam ethc coin.  Got 2.8 btc for nothing one day out of blue this week.  figured i could gamble a bit. With your recent stretch of luck i thought you were due. but i know thats the gambler fallacy.. but us thinking the pool should be doing better is that not also.. Think about it guys this pool has done exceptionally well and id really love for kano to provide a  100 block luck graph and  a 500 block luck graph or maybe just 250.  That would show that we are maybe headed for an extended period of slower blocks.. Anyway. I know past performance doesnt dictate future but when looking at a graph of most pools that show the luck it looks like a heart beat of sorts.. Steady up and down  with some minor hiccups along the way.. Just my observance over last year watching pools.  Here is a great showing of that from my eth farm.  This is a snap shot of each of my mining rigs.. they all run at the same difficulty and you can see that all look this way.. Up and down across the 100% line.  or the expected line. 

https://i.imgur.com/jQZ21nz.png

Now that same thing happens with pool luck. Right now we sit on about 70 blocks more than expected if im correct on my math. I expect myself a small downturn in luck but that is to be expected.  I tried my damnedest to get slush to come with some info on the bad luck.. I cant figure out why he protected genesis unless there was a backroom deal made.  Not to many honest people left in crypto sadly.. Thats why im mining here .  Not looking for roi just a place to point my machines.  My plan is to not sell one coin until the next halving.. just let em ride.


Best Regards
d57heinz

[ComputerGenie]

With an average of ~4 blocks per day (over the last 180 days), how come folks look for external reasons for 2 block days but call the 6 block days "good luck" and go on about their merry way?

[clgrissom3]

With an average of ~4 blocks per day (over the last 180 days), how come folks look for external reasons for 2 block days but call the 6 block days "good luck" and go on about their merry way?

Haha!  Everybody loves the 6 block days but the 2 block days brings out the tin foil hat folks!

[philipma1957]

With an average of ~4 blocks per day (over the last 180 days), how come folks look for external reasons for 2 block days but call the 6 block days "good luck" and go on about their merry way?

because  most people think that this pools  105% lifetime luck is the norm due to better programmer internet and servers.


the fallacy with luck in this game is the al-gore-rhythm   is in theory a perfect coin so to speak and that with normal luck  it is 50% heads and 50% tails.


My knowledge of the al-gore-rhythm is that is true.  but the luck in block making involves more then the 'coin' to be flipped.
this below has translated to 104-105% luck over a long time period:

how well do you protect against ddos ------------- affects the luck -------- kano.is does well
how well did you write the pools software ------  affects the luck---------- kano.is does well
how good is your internet connection ----------- affects the luck ---------- kano.is does well
how good are your servers -----------------------  affects the luck --------- kano.is does well
unknown factors ----------------------------------- affect the luck -----------kano.is does unknown as does everyone else by definition.

how do you protect against block withholds----- affects the luck----------- very hard  thus tin foil hats pop up

since kano.is has whaled and done very well   block withholds   like an old school western villainous gunslinger  hired by a scumbag (? you can pick a pool a bitcoin asic builder or an individual  with deep pockets) may happen

[Biodom]

One thing I am sure of is that if there is something crooked going on, kano will find it and zap it away eventually.
Mine on, we are at 50PH!

[ComputerGenie]

@philipma1957

I was more specifically referring to the "S9's are intentionally bad" concept.  


P.S. - If things effect "luck" then it's not luck.

[aarons6]

@philipma1957

I was more specifically referring to the "S9's are intentionally bad" concept.  


P.S. - If things effect "luck" then it's not luck.

a lot of it has to do with their version of bmminer, since they never released the source nobody can check it..

for all anyone knows.. it could do anything.. it is a possibility they could have damaged it in a way that does affect finding blocks.

[valkir]

Hey guys I know dust payment are not send automatic but I have been mining with 2 gekkostick for the last weeks and no payments yet.
When am I suppoce to get a payment? Any minimum btc ?

Thanks  

[wmabern]

@philipma1957

I was more specifically referring to the "S9's are intentionally bad" concept.  


P.S. - If things effect "luck" then it's not luck.

a lot of it has to do with their version of bmminer, since they never released the source nobody can check it..

for all anyone knows.. it could do anything.. it is a possibility they could have damaged it in a way that does affect finding blocks.

My concern as well. Until someone who knows mining software code (Kano) can check the code, I consider either crappy coding or nefarious intent a possibility. I doubt the latter.

I wonder if Kano is working on the block-finding stats for S9's on this board versus other miners in the same time frame. Maybe that is what he said he was working on.

Edit: We haven't had a bright green block in almost 7 days. My math sucks, so I don't what the probability of that is. But it's "probably" in the realm of expected every so many blocks/days. Maybe someone with greater math skills than me can chime in on that.

[philipma1957]

@philipma1957

I was more specifically referring to the "S9's are intentionally bad" concept.  


P.S. - If things effect "luck" then it's not luck.

yeah  that is my point      the luck rating is exactly not based on luck.

[ComputerGenie]

So, the next day that Kano.is pool finds 6 blocks (and 2 of them are found with S9s), does that mean that the "nefarious" miners failed to do their job?

[thedreamer]

So, the next day that Kano.is pool finds 6 blocks (and 2 of them are found with S9s), does that mean that the "nefarious" miners failed to do their job?

Or their miners are off the pool...

I don't care what people quote in regards to 'luck' and statistics. It's simple to notice when you have normal to good luck for very long time, then when large PH accounts via rentals arrive, the luck goes to hell. They go away and we're back to normal to good luck again. It's been repeated numerous times since we've been over 25PH.
Heck we had IMO better and more stable expected daily blocks at that level than since it's been over. In a way I'd rather we've be back at that hash rate.

I'm still riding this bad luck as we're at 4-5blocks behind since the last 2 high-block days from the 16th, but not sure how long I can stay optimistic.

[d57heinz]

With an average of ~4 blocks per day (over the last 180 days), how come folks look for external reasons for 2 block days but call the 6 block days "good luck" and go on about their merry way?

Haha!  Everybody loves the 6 block days but the 2 block days brings out the tin foil hat folks!

well in this domain(cryptoland) its not safe whatsoever to just assume all is ok. Its great to always be on your toes.. It must be nice that you have no concerns but those that question arent necessarily trolls wearing tinfoil hats.  Not intelligent of you to stereotype in this way.  To think for yourself is to question authority.  

Looking at organofcorti and the long term stats it seems china is slowing creeping on top.. Looks like that 80% mining share is starting to pay off.. Also with the pools shrinking in size it wouldn't take much hash and cost to pull a with holding attack on the few remaining public pools.> The network hashrate did just drop about 6 % network wide.. maybe that isnt all just block halving and power bills coming. Could be a select few attacking the pools.. slush just lost 6 ph/s and look at their long term stats on pool(lets see if they start hitting some blocks now that its gone.... I think there is more to this.  and is something that shouldnt be so easily thrown into your barrel of tin hat theories.. Most of those are what leads to truth anyway.  I welcome them personally..   All theories and thoughts should be welcome as you never know which one will spark an idea or could lead to breakthru.  As bitcoin becomes more scarce id imagine this will only lead to more attacks.. Could be soon we all have to look at this long term and start going solo.. May be forced to solo nodes mining.  

I have no doubt kano will figure this out if there is a problem or not.> This is the risk we must also factor in roi.  The possibilty the pool is attacked.. This really is turning into a every man for themselves scenario. I dont like it one bit.  When money gets involved best judgement is thrown into the wind it seems.  I will just set it and forget it for a while.  I was taking a gamble by renting .. i knew the risk.  Good luck all and may we see greener pastures soon:)

Best Regards
d57heinz

[wmabern]

So, the next day that Kano.is pool finds 6 blocks (and 2 of them are found with S9s), does that mean that the "nefarious" miners failed to do their job?

Or their miners are off the pool...

I don't care what people quote in regards to 'luck' and statistics. It's simple to notice when you have normal to good luck for very long time, then when large PH accounts via rentals arrive, the luck goes to hell. They go away and we're back to normal to good luck again. It's been repeated numerous times since we've been over 25PH.
Heck we had IMO better and more stable expected daily blocks at that level than since it's been over. In a way I'd rather we've be back at that hash rate.

I'm still riding this bad luck as we're at 4-5blocks behind since the last 2 high-block days from the 16th, but not sure how long I can stay optimistic.

It appears to me that our "best luck" range was in the 43-44PH territory. We always seemed to have stable luck during that time. That's just from casual observance since I've been on the pool. (Which really hasn't been that long. Since the middle of April.)

Need some BLOCKSSSSS!!