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[shmain]

I wasn't sure by what it meant ramp up. So essentially pay is held until this time frame has passed?

Whats the point of a ramp up period? It says to reduce variance but how does it accomplish that?

[rifleman74]

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15.06 vs 12.44 on the block size will cut the reward down substantially.   Right now blocks aren't in the "juicy" mode of fees so you have to crack more of them!

What causes the "juicy" mode of fees?  How can we get back to that?

Lots and lots of transactions.   It'll happen again if BTC gets back above 12-14k

[darkstars1]

In order to encourage the next block to come quickly, I have sacrificed a few tribbles.

[nazzer]

I wasn't sure by what it meant ramp up. So essentially pay is held until this time frame has passed?

Whats the point of a ramp up period? It says to reduce variance but how does it accomplish that?

Payment per block is paid according to the number of shares you've sent to the pool over 5x the current difficulty.

At current pool hash rate and network difficulty, this works out to all the shares you've submitted over the past 13.5 days.

The reward you get is then (Your Shares) / (Total Shares submitted to pool over 5Nd) * (Block Reward + tx fees) - 0.9% Pool fee.

So, if you pool hop during the 5Nd period, you're submitting fewer shares to the pool compared to people who didn't at the same hash rate.

Edit: This is aimed at reducing pool variance by discouraging pool hopping.

[shmain]

You mention that its uncommon to have unpaid shifts but looking at my shift reward, it says 0.08655 and going into my payments after the block matured, i received 10% of what was rewarded at 0.0085898. I am also not even sure if that was the shift that was paid. In my payments, that amount appeared before the block matured but payment was only sent out after the block matured however the reward information tells me that I only had about 40% my actual hashing. Someone please tell what to do. I have been thwarted.

I seriously doubt you have been thwarted.

Did you read - https://kano.is/index.php?k=payout

There is a 13 day +/- ramp up on this pool (also works to your advantage when you leave as it's 13 day +/- ramp down

How many days had you been on the pool when we found that block, if it was less than 13, then you got some percentage less than 100% because you hadn't completely the ramp up

From what i understand, I had been mining for about 10 days when the block was found but if its a ramp, shouldn't the yield but proportional to the time spent on the ramp. I received 10% of my shares. Does this mean kano stole 90% of my hashing power's yield? 0.08 btc is not an insignificant amount and this is 10 days of mining that i could have been getting paid elsewhere to do. Also, although it has a ramp down, there is no point in that because if you leave the pool, why would you earn anything if you didn't hash anything. This concept on the surface only seems to be a deterrent for people to bounce back and forth between pools but is ultimately just a costly deterrent for the typical user. A lot can be earned in 13 days and I spend a lot on electricity so this ultimately cost me a lot of my profitability because now, a good portion of time must be spent to make up for the lost resources in the days past that were spent on not earning anything while wasting electricity.

[shmain]

I wasn't sure by what it meant ramp up. So essentially pay is held until this time frame has passed?

Whats the point of a ramp up period? It says to reduce variance but how does it accomplish that?

Payment per block is paid according to the number of shares you've sent to the pool over 5x the current difficulty.

At current pool hash rate and network difficulty, this works out to all the shares you've submitted over the past 13.5 days.

The reward you get is then (Your Shares) / (Total Shares submitted to pool over 5Nd) * (Block Reward + tx fees) - 0.9% Pool fee.

So, if you pool hop during the 5Nd period, you're submitting fewer shares to the pool compared to people who didn't at the same hash rate.

Edit: This is aimed at reducing pool variance by discouraging pool hopping.

I understand this already but my point is being missed. When looking at the shifts, the reward stated was about 0.086. When looking at the payment section, the reward was 10% this amount. I had mined for about 10 days. I hadn't mined since the start of the block but that should be irrelevant because the payout method doesn't base anything on time but rather shares submitted. Has my reward gone missing? Why is there a major difference in the stated reward and the actual payout. Am i not understanding something here? Can someone please actually just explain it instead of telling to the read links that I have already read or copy and pasting something from kanos site?

[akadamson]

I wasn't sure by what it meant ramp up. So essentially pay is held until this time frame has passed?

Whats the point of a ramp up period? It says to reduce variance but how does it accomplish that?

Payment per block is paid according to the number of shares you've sent to the pool over 5x the current difficulty.

At current pool hash rate and network difficulty, this works out to all the shares you've submitted over the past 13.5 days.

The reward you get is then (Your Shares) / (Total Shares submitted to pool over 5Nd) * (Block Reward + tx fees) - 0.9% Pool fee.

So, if you pool hop during the 5Nd period, you're submitting fewer shares to the pool compared to people who didn't at the same hash rate.

Edit: This is aimed at reducing pool variance by discouraging pool hopping.

I understand this already but my point is being missed. When looking at the shifts, the reward stated was about 0.086. When looking at the payment section, the reward was 10% this amount. I had mined for about 10 days. I hadn't mined since the start of the block but that should be irrelevant because the payout method doesn't base anything on time but rather shares submitted. Has my reward gone missing? Why is there a major difference in the stated reward and the actual payout. Am i not understanding something here? Can someone please actually just explain it instead of telling to the read links that I have already read or copy and pasting something from kanos site?

DELETED cuz smarter people than me answered *correctly* below

[nazzer]

I wasn't sure by what it meant ramp up. So essentially pay is held until this time frame has passed?

Whats the point of a ramp up period? It says to reduce variance but how does it accomplish that?

Payment per block is paid according to the number of shares you've sent to the pool over 5x the current difficulty.

At current pool hash rate and network difficulty, this works out to all the shares you've submitted over the past 13.5 days.

The reward you get is then (Your Shares) / (Total Shares submitted to pool over 5Nd) * (Block Reward + tx fees) - 0.9% Pool fee.

So, if you pool hop during the 5Nd period, you're submitting fewer shares to the pool compared to people who didn't at the same hash rate.

Edit: This is aimed at reducing pool variance by discouraging pool hopping.

I understand this already but my point is being missed. When looking at the shifts, the reward stated was about 0.086. When looking at the payment section, the reward was 10% this amount. I had mined for about 10 days. I hadn't mined since the start of the block but that should be irrelevant because the payout method doesn't base anything on time but rather shares submitted. Has my reward gone missing? Why is there a major difference in the stated reward and the actual payout. Am i not understanding something here? Can someone please actually just explain it instead of telling to the read links that I have already read or copy and pasting something from kanos site?

You mention that its uncommon to have unpaid shifts but looking at my shift reward, it says 0.08655 and going into my payments after the block matured, i received 10% of what was rewarded at 0.0085898. I am also not even sure if that was the shift that was paid. In my payments, that amount appeared before the block matured but payment was only sent out after the block matured however the reward information tells me that I only had about 40% my actual hashing. Someone please tell what to do. I have been thwarted.

I seriously doubt you have been thwarted.

Did you read - https://kano.is/index.php?k=payout

There is a 13 day +/- ramp up on this pool (also works to your advantage when you leave as it's 13 day +/- ramp down

How many days had you been on the pool when we found that block, if it was less than 13, then you got some percentage less than 100% because you hadn't completely the ramp up

From what i understand, I had been mining for about 10 days when the block was found but if its a ramp, shouldn't the yield but proportional to the time spent on the ramp. I received 10% of my shares. Does this mean kano stole 90% of my hashing power's yield? 0.08 btc is not an insignificant amount and this is 10 days of mining that i could have been getting paid elsewhere to do. Also, although it has a ramp down, there is no point in that because if you leave the pool, why would you earn anything if you didn't hash anything. This concept on the surface only seems to be a deterrent for people to bounce back and forth between pools but is ultimately just a costly deterrent for the typical user. A lot can be earned in 13 days and I spend a lot on electricity so this ultimately cost me a lot of my profitability because now, a good portion of time must be spent to make up for the lost resources in the days past that were spent on not earning anything while wasting electricity.

On the shift page, latest block rewarded is 0.08655 satoshis per 1000diff share.

So the calculation is:

You've been mining for ~10 days, your single S9 is up to 73.5% of the ramp (10/13.5)
This means your average hash rate over 5Nd is 9.9 TH/sec
Reward rate is 0.08655 so 9.9 / reward rate of 0.08655 = 0.0085898

My numbers used to calculate:

Your reward:

0.0085898 BTC = 858,980 Satoshi
858,980 Satoshi /  0.08655 satoshi reward per 1000 diff = 9.924667822 TH
9.92 / 13.5 = 73.5% of maximum hash rate of 1 S9
73.5% * 13.5 days = 9.924 days of mining on Kano.

Important: On all pools, you only get paid when a block is found.

[wavelengthsf]

I understand this already but my point is being missed. When looking at the shifts, the reward stated was about 0.086. When looking at the payment section, the reward was 10% this amount. I had mined for about 10 days. I hadn't mined since the start of the block but that should be irrelevant because the payout method doesn't base anything on time but rather shares submitted. Has my reward gone missing? Why is there a major difference in the stated reward and the actual payout. Am i not understanding something here? Can someone please actually just explain it instead of telling to the read links that I have already read or copy and pasting something from kanos site?

You're misunderstanding what the number is on the shifts page.

If you scroll to the bottom, you see it says:

* The Rewarded value unit is satoshis per 1000diff share

So your reward is NOT .086 BTC. It is .0000000086 BTC per 1000 diff share. If you had 1000 shares in that shift, thats 0.0000086 BTC for that shift. If you had 100,000 shares, it is 0.00086 BTC, etc.



 

[fjtropepe]

From what i understand, I had been mining for about 10 days when the block was found but if its a ramp, shouldn't the yield but proportional to the time spent on the ramp. I received 10% of my shares. Does this mean kano stole 90% of my hashing power's yield? 0.08 btc is not an insignificant amount and this is 10 days of mining that i could have been getting paid elsewhere to do. Also, although it has a ramp down, there is no point in that because if you leave the pool, why would you earn anything if you didn't hash anything. This concept on the surface only seems to be a deterrent for people to bounce back and forth between pools but is ultimately just a costly deterrent for the typical user. A lot can be earned in 13 days and I spend a lot on electricity so this ultimately cost me a lot of my profitability because now, a good portion of time must be spent to make up for the lost resources in the days past that were spent on not earning anything while wasting electricity.

Really need a facepalm emoji.

[shmain]

and all that makes sense if I only had 1 s9. I have average 90th/s and all i got was 0.00086 for 10 days? Wtf?

edit: does nobody see why I'm pissed? This is literally a waste of time on kano if this is all im going to get. Seriously, wtf. Thats why I am asking because this doesn't seem right. What am i not understanding?

[wavelengthsf]

and all that makes sense if I only had 1 s9. I have average 90th/s and all i got was 0.00086 for 10 days? Wtf?

edit: does nobody see why I'm pissed? This is literally a waste of time on kano if this is all im going to get. Seriously, wtf. Thats why I am asking because this doesn't seem right. What am i not understanding?

Goto the Account > Rewards page to see how much you get.

You can also total all the rows in the shifts page, but that could change if we get another block, since those shares would be paid again.

With 90 th/s, fully ramped up, you'd of got around .024 BTC or maybe a little less.

[fjtropepe]

and all that makes sense if I only had 1 s9. I have average 90th/s and all i got was 0.00086 for 10 days? Wtf?

edit: does nobody see why I'm pissed? This is literally a waste of time on kano if this is all im going to get. Seriously, wtf. Thats why I am asking because this doesn't seem right. What am i not understanding?

Sometimes when something doesn't make sense it could be because you don't understand what is going on. Take 5 minutes and calm down. You really think that Kano would have the reputation it did if what you state is true? You know better.

[nazzer]

and all that makes sense if I only had 1 s9. I have average 90th/s and all i got was 0.00086 for 10 days? Wtf?

edit: does nobody see why I'm pissed? This is literally a waste of time on kano if this is all im going to get. Seriously, wtf. Thats why I am asking because this doesn't seem right. What am i not understanding?

Why don't you post the screenshot of:

https://kano.is/index.php?k=mpayouts

Mine is:

Block   Block UTC   Miner Reward   N Diff   N Range   Pool N Avg   Your %   Your N Diff   Your N Avg   Your BTC
508425   9/Feb 20:11   12.44363511   14.378T   366hr 33m 46s   46.80PHs   0.23%   32.610G   106.14THs   0.02822319



If you want to, share your shifts and shift graph too

https://kano.is/index.php?k=shifts
https://kano.is/index.php?k=usperf

edit:

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/85ab0954c11d91526cf5601a0c81f3aa3a383f572a372f1dc737e10b59ba32d0
This does show there is indeed a transaction for to 1GzxYjFNXUZ7SwCkcbPKdTqVcFeWD7fYLv for 0.00858980
So it looks like you pointed 10 miners for 1 day or 1 miner for 10 days to Kano for this address.
Take a look at the payouts page - let us know.

[clgrissom3]

and all that makes sense if I only had 1 s9. I have average 90th/s and all i got was 0.00086 for 10 days? Wtf?

edit: does nobody see why I'm pissed? This is literally a waste of time on kano if this is all im going to get. Seriously, wtf. Thats why I am asking because this doesn't seem right. What am i not understanding?

The payout you received is not the end of things.  The shares you submitted will be paid approximately 5 times with future blocks if they fall into the expected range.

How do the PPLNS payments work?

The 5Nd means the pool rewards 5 times the expected number of shares each time a block is found.  So each share will be paid approximately 1/5 of it's expected value in each block it gets a reward, but each share is also expected, on average, to be rewarded 5 times in blocks found after the share is submitted to the pool.

So, on the 1st block the pool hits when you start on Kano you get rewarded 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for that block.  On the 2nd block the pool hits you get 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for the 2nd block plus 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for the 1st block.  On the 3rd block the pool hits you get 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for the 3rd block plus 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for the 2nd block plus 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for the 1st block and on and on like that until all of the value of the shares are paid.  That's also how you would continue to get payouts for the 5Nd ramp down period after you leave this pool.

EDIT:  No one has stolen anything from you.  It's all about how patient you are...if you relax and play the long game you will get all that you earned and then you will realize how this pool pays more than any other pool out there. 

[BTfd2e93]

and all that makes sense if I only had 1 s9. I have average 90th/s and all i got was 0.00086 for 10 days? Wtf?

edit: does nobody see why I'm pissed? This is literally a waste of time on kano if this is all im going to get. Seriously, wtf. Thats why I am asking because this doesn't seem right. What am i not understanding?

Why don't you post the screenshot of:

https://kano.is/index.php?k=mpayouts

Mine is:

Block   Block UTC   Miner Reward   N Diff   N Range   Pool N Avg   Your %   Your N Diff   Your N Avg   Your BTC
508425   9/Feb 20:11   12.44363511   14.378T   366hr 33m 46s   46.80PHs   0.23%   32.610G   106.14THs   0.02822319

http://i66.tinypic.com/r2t5rq.png

If you want to, share your shifts and shift graph too

https://kano.is/index.php?k=shifts
https://kano.is/index.php?k=usperf

edit:

https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/85ab0954c11d91526cf5601a0c81f3aa3a383f572a372f1dc737e10b59ba32d0
This does show there is indeed a transaction for to 1GzxYjFNXUZ7SwCkcbPKdTqVcFeWD7fYLv for 0.00858980
So it looks like you pointed 10 miners for 1 day or 1 miner for 10 days to Kano for this address.
Take a look at the payouts page - let us know.

@nazzer ...did you point 8 of your 10xS9s (in your sig) at this pool?  104 TH would make sense for 8x S9s.  my 4xS9 payout was spot on half of yours.

[nazzer]

@nazzer ...did you point 8 of your 10xS9s (in your sig) at this pool?  104 TH would make sense for 8x S9s.  my 4xS9 payout was spot on half of yours.

I've been moving mine around since Kano hit 500% ... 106 TH is due to ramping down from 10 to 2 S9's over the 3.5 days above 500% (to pay electricity bills )

Math works out, since 5Nd is roughly 13.5 days:

10 days  * 10 S9 = 100 TH, 3.5 days * 2 S9 = 7 TH

Total = 107 TH

[shmain]

https://i.imgur.com/9RhwwnW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8KUaPSP.jpg

Block   Block UTC   Miner Reward   N Diff   N Range   Pool N Avg   Your %   Your N Diff   Your N Avg   Your BTC
508425   9/Feb 20:11   12.44363511   14.378T   366hr 33m 46s   46.80PHs   0.07%   9.925G   32.30THs   0.00858980

however i pointed about 70th/s at the pool since then, and about 5 days in, increased my hash rate to about 87.

also, thank you for explaing the 5nd thing, that makes a little bit more sense but it still doesn't explain the extremely low payout.
I included the 2nd pic to show the start of my mining and the hashing rate. It wasn't exactly 10 days, it was less but the point remains and it seems off

[wavelengthsf]

Block   Block UTC   Miner Reward   N Diff   N Range   Pool N Avg   Your %   Your N Diff   Your N Avg   Your BTC
508425   9/Feb 20:11   12.44363511   14.378T   366hr 33m 46s   46.80PHs   0.07%   9.925G   32.30THs   0.00858980

however i pointed about 70th/s at the pool since then, and about 5 days in, increased my hash rate to about 87.

also, thank you for explaing the 5nd thing, that makes a little bit more sense but it still doesn't explain the extremely low payout.
I included the 2nd pic to show the start of my mining and the hashing rate. It wasn't exactly 10 days, it was less but the point remains and it seems off

You're not ramped up. So in the last 5ND shares, yours were only 32TH. Once you have more shares, when the pool looks at 5ND, you'll eventually get credit for all your TH.

[nazzer]

Block   Block UTC   Miner Reward   N Diff   N Range   Pool N Avg   Your %   Your N Diff   Your N Avg   Your BTC
508425   9/Feb 20:11   12.44363511   14.378T   366hr 33m 46s   46.80PHs   0.07%   9.925G   32.30THs   0.00858980

however i pointed about 70th/s at the pool since then, and about 5 days in, increased my hash rate to about 87.

also, thank you for explaing the 5nd thing, that makes a little bit more sense but it still doesn't explain the extremely low payout.
I included the 2nd pic to show the start of my mining and the hashing rate. It wasn't exactly 10 days, it was less but the point remains and it seems off

Looking at your screenshots, you've been mining with ~5 miners over that period for the 6-7 days before the pool found a block.

Back of my napkin math is:

5 * 7 days = 35 TH average

Yours shows 32.3TH which agrees within 10% of my very rough calculation.