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October 24, 2012, 12:10:36 PM
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Simply put, in the USA if you buy something you've got to pay sales tax.
In Germany/United Kingdom, if you buy something you've got to pay MWSt/VAT.
What I'm trying to say is, as an end-customer you've always got to pay tax.

Incorrect.  In the USA, a sales tax isn't a federal tax; it is a state tax that may or may not be imposed on sales of particular goods or services, depending on your state.
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October 24, 2012, 12:17:39 PM
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Here in the eu we simply got used that 1$ = 1€...
I'm the first one to say that it's unfair, but this or break the law... And you really don't want to do that in the state regime we are in.

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October 24, 2012, 02:27:40 PM
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Hey Tom, how do you usually describe the contents of the package when you ship FPGAs overseas? Computer hardware? Will you use the same description for ASIC devices?

Thanks.
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October 24, 2012, 03:38:59 PM
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Hey Tom, how do you usually describe the contents of the package when you ship FPGAs overseas? Computer hardware? Will you use the same description for ASIC devices?

Thanks.

This is a good question especially for international orders. What are the devices declared as? Personally i think we should leave the word "bitcoin" out on the package description as that only adds to the confusion, and when there is confusion the package ends up in getting stuck at customs. A more generic term such as "Computer Hardware" would be preferred.

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October 24, 2012, 03:48:37 PM
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Hey Tom, how do you usually describe the contents of the package when you ship FPGAs overseas? Computer hardware? Will you use the same description for ASIC devices?

Thanks.

This is a good question especially for international orders. What are the devices declared as? Personally i think we should leave the word "bitcoin" out on the package description as that only adds to the confusion, and when there is confusion the package ends up in getting stuck at customs. A more generic term such as "Computer Hardware" would be preferred.

Cheers

I would prefer Integrated Circuit. It classifies the product adequately and has a zero rated custom charge in some countries.
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October 24, 2012, 03:54:37 PM
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I have to pay 25% VAT.
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October 24, 2012, 04:29:59 PM
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Yes BFGMiner is a fork of CGMINER , which was forked to add Luke-Jr's FPGA support

We went the BFG route because FPGA support was not as good in CGminer as it was in BFGminer at the time, and it certainly wasnt as compatible with the ModMiner quad for various reasons.

The reason we officially support BFGminer so much is because Luke-JR also wrote the firmware for the ModMiner Quad and has developed BFGMiner and the MMQ firmware together along side eachother - this gives BFGMiner some advantages. However now that Kano has a MMQ I expect CGminer to be just as compatible soon.

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Thank you!

Tom
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Having only used internal CPU and GPU mining, never anything outboard (attached via USB/serial/etc) I am curious if plugging the bASIC in to a USB port and mining via CGMINER or BFGMINER is sort of a plug-n-play situation or if the miners have to be pointed in the right direction in order to access/see the peripheral mining devices. Thx.
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October 24, 2012, 04:38:04 PM
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Yes BFGMiner is a fork of CGMINER , which was forked to add Luke-Jr's FPGA support

We went the BFG route because FPGA support was not as good in CGminer as it was in BFGminer at the time, and it certainly wasnt as compatible with the ModMiner quad for various reasons.

The reason we officially support BFGminer so much is because Luke-JR also wrote the firmware for the ModMiner Quad and has developed BFGMiner and the MMQ firmware together along side eachother - this gives BFGMiner some advantages. However now that Kano has a MMQ I expect CGminer to be just as compatible soon.

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Thank you!

Tom
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Having only used internal CPU and GPU mining, never anything outboard (attached via USB/serial/etc) I am curious if plugging the bASIC in to a USB port and mining via CGMINER or BFGMINER is sort of a plug-n-play situation or if the miners have to be pointed in the right direction in order to access/see the peripheral mining devices. Thx.
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October 24, 2012, 04:39:57 PM
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Yes BFGMiner is a fork of CGMINER , which was forked to add Luke-Jr's FPGA support

We went the BFG route because FPGA support was not as good in CGminer as it was in BFGminer at the time, and it certainly wasnt as compatible with the ModMiner quad for various reasons.

The reason we officially support BFGminer so much is because Luke-JR also wrote the firmware for the ModMiner Quad and has developed BFGMiner and the MMQ firmware together along side eachother - this gives BFGMiner some advantages. However now that Kano has a MMQ I expect CGminer to be just as compatible soon.

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Thank you!

Tom
BTCFPGA.com/BitcoinASIC.com


Having only used internal CPU and GPU mining, never anything outboard (attached via USB/serial/etc) I am curious if plugging the bASIC in to a USB port and mining via CGMINER or BFGMINER is sort of a plug-n-play situation or if the miners have to be pointed in the right direction in order to access/see the peripheral mining devices. Thx.

good question esp. as applies to linux.
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October 24, 2012, 04:40:33 PM
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Yes BFGMiner is a fork of CGMINER , which was forked to add Luke-Jr's FPGA support

We went the BFG route because FPGA support was not as good in CGminer as it was in BFGminer at the time, and it certainly wasnt as compatible with the ModMiner quad for various reasons.

The reason we officially support BFGminer so much is because Luke-JR also wrote the firmware for the ModMiner Quad and has developed BFGMiner and the MMQ firmware together along side eachother - this gives BFGMiner some advantages. However now that Kano has a MMQ I expect CGminer to be just as compatible soon.

...

Thank you!

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BTCFPGA.com/BitcoinASIC.com
Having only used internal CPU and GPU mining, never anything outboard (attached via USB/serial/etc) I am curious if plugging the bASIC in to a USB port and mining via CGMINER or BFGMINER is sort of a plug-n-play situation or if the miners have to be pointed in the right direction in order to access/see the peripheral mining devices. Thx.
Plug it in - Turn on CGMiner - And you're running.

i'm sure we need to install dependencies, right?  which ones?
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October 24, 2012, 04:46:06 PM
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so for the DHL shipping upgrade if we ordered on the old site, all we have to do is login, make sure the order shows up in history, then purchase the $60 DHL shipping right?  Do I need to do anything else to let you know or will that just be part of what you are already going to be checking orders before shipment?

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October 24, 2012, 04:48:27 PM
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Yes BFGMiner is a fork of CGMINER , which was forked to add Luke-Jr's FPGA support

We went the BFG route because FPGA support was not as good in CGminer as it was in BFGminer at the time, and it certainly wasnt as compatible with the ModMiner quad for various reasons.

The reason we officially support BFGminer so much is because Luke-JR also wrote the firmware for the ModMiner Quad and has developed BFGMiner and the MMQ firmware together along side eachother - this gives BFGMiner some advantages. However now that Kano has a MMQ I expect CGminer to be just as compatible soon.

...

Thank you!

Tom
BTCFPGA.com/BitcoinASIC.com
Having only used internal CPU and GPU mining, never anything outboard (attached via USB/serial/etc) I am curious if plugging the bASIC in to a USB port and mining via CGMINER or BFGMINER is sort of a plug-n-play situation or if the miners have to be pointed in the right direction in order to access/see the peripheral mining devices. Thx.
Plug it in - Turn on CGMiner - And you're running.
i'm sure we need to install dependencies, right?  which ones?
Taken from the CGMiner readme:
Code:
Dependencies:
curl dev library http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/
(libcurl4-openssl-dev)

curses dev library
(libncurses5-dev or libpdcurses on WIN32)

pkg-config http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/pkg-config
libtool http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/

jansson http://www.digip.org/jansson/
(jansson is included in-tree and not necessary)

yasm 1.0.1+ http://yasm.tortall.net/
(yasm is optional, gives assembly routines for CPU mining)

AMD APP SDK http://developer.amd.com/sdks/AMDAPPSDK
(This sdk is mandatory for GPU mining)

AMD ADL SDK http://developer.amd.com/sdks/ADLSDK
(This sdk is mandatory for ATI GPU monitoring & clocking)

libudev headers
(This is only required for FPGA auto-detection and is linux only)

libusb headers
(This is only required for ZTEX support)

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October 24, 2012, 05:26:41 PM
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Having only used internal CPU and GPU mining, never anything outboard (attached via USB/serial/etc) I am curious if plugging the bASIC in to a USB port and mining via CGMINER or BFGMINER is sort of a plug-n-play situation or if the miners have to be pointed in the right direction in order to access/see the peripheral mining devices. Thx.
Plug it in - Turn on CGMiner - And you're running.
i'm sure we need to install dependencies, right?  which ones?
Taken from the CGMiner readme:
Code:
Dependencies:
curl dev library http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/
(libcurl4-openssl-dev)

curses dev library
(libncurses5-dev or libpdcurses on WIN32)

pkg-config http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/pkg-config
libtool http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/

jansson http://www.digip.org/jansson/
(jansson is included in-tree and not necessary)

yasm 1.0.1+ http://yasm.tortall.net/
(yasm is optional, gives assembly routines for CPU mining)

AMD APP SDK http://developer.amd.com/sdks/AMDAPPSDK
(This sdk is mandatory for GPU mining)

AMD ADL SDK http://developer.amd.com/sdks/ADLSDK
(This sdk is mandatory for ATI GPU monitoring & clocking)

libudev headers
(This is only required for FPGA auto-detection and is linux only)

libusb headers
(This is only required for ZTEX support)

For usb plug in devices you will also need to install libudev-dev libusb-dev prior to compiling
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October 24, 2012, 05:41:29 PM
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Hey Tom, how do you usually describe the contents of the package when you ship FPGAs overseas? Computer hardware? Will you use the same description for ASIC devices?

Thanks.

For the ModMiner i always listed it as "Merchandise"

Description:

FPGA Mini Computer

for the bASIC I will probably do something similar

"ASIC Mini Computer"

or something of that nature


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hopefully we will have all the bugs worked out by tonight - although ordering is working - its kind of quirky


To access your account check status etc please use BTCFPGA.com

today:
Im working on getting the new shop ready and moving the whole operation down there, we finally got electricity and internet / phone services installed
so things are moving forward - Ive got 1000 square foot set aside just for processing of bASIC's


If you are waiting on email from me it will probably go unanswered until i get back tonight

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October 24, 2012, 05:43:19 PM
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Hey Tom, how do you usually describe the contents of the package when you ship FPGAs overseas? Computer hardware? Will you use the same description for ASIC devices?

Thanks.

This is a good question especially for international orders. What are the devices declared as? Personally i think we should leave the word "bitcoin" out on the package description as that only adds to the confusion, and when there is confusion the package ends up in getting stuck at customs. A more generic term such as "Computer Hardware" would be preferred.

Cheers


"Computer expansion board" is what it is, and would be perfect IMO

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October 24, 2012, 05:48:29 PM
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Hey Tom, how do you usually describe the contents of the package when you ship FPGAs overseas? Computer hardware? Will you use the same description for ASIC devices?

Thanks.

This is a good question especially for international orders. What are the devices declared as? Personally i think we should leave the word "bitcoin" out on the package description as that only adds to the confusion, and when there is confusion the package ends up in getting stuck at customs. A more generic term such as "Computer Hardware" would be preferred.

Cheers


"Computer expansion board" is what it is, and would be perfect IMO

In the EU importing computers with an HD installed is tax free (it's years that the playstation does this trick). Unfortunately this isn't a computer - and doesn't have an HD installed.

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October 24, 2012, 07:41:50 PM
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Having only used internal CPU and GPU mining, never anything outboard (attached via USB/serial/etc) I am curious if plugging the bASIC in to a USB port and mining via CGMINER or BFGMINER is sort of a plug-n-play situation or if the miners have to be pointed in the right direction in order to access/see the peripheral mining devices. Thx.
Plug it in - Turn on CGMiner - And you're running.
i'm sure we need to install dependencies, right?  which ones?
Taken from the CGMiner readme:
Code:
Dependencies:
curl dev library http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/
(libcurl4-openssl-dev)

curses dev library
(libncurses5-dev or libpdcurses on WIN32)

pkg-config http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/pkg-config
libtool http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/

jansson http://www.digip.org/jansson/
(jansson is included in-tree and not necessary)

yasm 1.0.1+ http://yasm.tortall.net/
(yasm is optional, gives assembly routines for CPU mining)

AMD APP SDK http://developer.amd.com/sdks/AMDAPPSDK
(This sdk is mandatory for GPU mining)

AMD ADL SDK http://developer.amd.com/sdks/ADLSDK
(This sdk is mandatory for ATI GPU monitoring & clocking)

libudev headers
(This is only required for FPGA auto-detection and is linux only)

libusb headers
(This is only required for ZTEX support)
For usb plug in devices you will also need to install libudev-dev libusb-dev prior to compiling


I've mined on windows and linux. I like working in linux (Lubuntu) for personal and ethical reasons which are aligned with my interest in Bitcoin. However, I'm more comfortable navigating new device installation in Windows (I've only mined on pre-installed/compatible devices before). Any thoughts as to the ease of use for ASIC plug and play on Linux vs Windows systems? I like windows ability to recognize plugged systems, but perhaps this dependency list is comprehensive?
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October 24, 2012, 09:36:54 PM
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Holy fuck thats some bad tax :/

we need someone from a country that doesnt have that tax and smuggle in Tongue

Someone from Andora
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October 24, 2012, 09:46:38 PM
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Re: Tax - They're just protecting their economy, and rightfully so IMO  Smiley

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October 24, 2012, 10:24:58 PM
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Holy fuck thats some bad tax :/

we need someone from a country that doesnt have that tax and smuggle in Tongue

Someone from Andora

Or the Channel Islands (states of Jersey and Guernsey). Particularly those in western Europe, just take a short vacation in the Channel Islands, pick up the goods from a trusted party and then smuggle them back into the EUSSR through the "green" Customs channel et voilà, no tax to pay. Of course, strictly speaking that's illegal so I'm not advocating it. Smiley

If ordering by credit card the billing and shipping address have to match anyway I think so dodging the VAT isn't as easy as it seems.

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