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October 17, 2012, 01:18:45 AM
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I also want to know what is "competitive."  Is 2x the power consumption considered "competitive?" (Personally, I think 10 - 20% is competitive, not +100%, but I want to know what Tom's definition is.)
Technically the BitForce Single had 2x the power consumption of the MMQ, and I still consider it to be "competitive". Do you not agree?

The main reason BFL Single was more "competitive" was due to the pricing,Single=$599 (860 mh) vs MMQ=$1069.99 (800 mh).So the Single gave a faster ROI,IMO.....

The wattage draw was better with MMQ @ 40 compared to 80 watts with the Single.

Both are great products though  Wink

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October 17, 2012, 01:26:25 AM
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Still  waiting on that refund.. Huh I thought your policy was to give them on request.??
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October 17, 2012, 01:44:05 AM
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Holy crap

Inaba and Cablepair, what the heck. seriously. This mudslinging is patently ridiculous, utterly unprofessional, and not at all helpful to anyone, or any business. It certainly does not make either company look good.

Cablepair: I hope you have learned to not mention or talk about *** or Inaba in your thread: this is what happens.
Inaba: Dude, you're going to come and read this in a month or so and realise how foolish it makes you look.

Read this very carefully: you would look very (even more) foolish continuing to reply to each other in this thread.

This forum has an excelent feature, its called "Ignore".  I strongly suggest you BOTH use it, for your customers' sakes.
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October 17, 2012, 01:48:35 AM
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So which pools do you suggest?

I like ozcoin  Cheesy

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October 17, 2012, 02:04:28 AM
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It should be remembered that BFL started out as a complete scam and only started shipping products when they realized the money was better.

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October 17, 2012, 02:11:20 AM
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So which pools do you suggest?
I like ozcoin  Cheesy
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October 17, 2012, 02:17:02 AM
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Still  waiting on that refund.. Huh I thought your policy was to give them on request.??

Tom clearly stated he was going out of town

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October 17, 2012, 02:26:03 AM
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Holy crap

Inaba and Cablepair, what the heck. seriously. This mudslinging is patently ridiculous, utterly unprofessional, and not at all helpful to anyone, or any business. It certainly does not make either company look good.

Cablepair: I hope you have learned to not mention or talk about *** or Inaba in your thread: this is what happens.
Inaba: Dude, you're going to come and read this in a month or so and realise how foolish it makes you look.

Read this very carefully: you would look very (even more) foolish continuing to reply to each other in this thread.

This forum has an excelent feature, its called "Ignore".  I strongly suggest you BOTH use it, for your customers' sakes.



LOL I think you missed the part where Cablepair said he went out of town.....

For the record. Thus far, Cablepair is not here to even make a rebuttal post at this time. So who is it that you are making reference to?

Other News:
New Hosting is setup and new Website is coming along nicely - we will have a big launch with detailed specs of our bASIC mining devices coming at you really soon! Be patient - it will be well worth it Smiley



Also:

I will be out of town on Business tonight and will return tomorrow - if you really need me call - I wont be answering many more emails today.

I will resume regular working hours tomorrow

Tom
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October 17, 2012, 02:27:21 AM
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Still  waiting on that refund.. Huh I thought your policy was to give them on request.??

Tom clearly stated he was going out of town

That question was for his pre-order of the BFL Asic, and was directed at BFL_Josh

Inaba Please refund the following order...  Thanks...
All no this was not for sale... I would rather get the refund and buy the basic. Sorry..!!
Keep trolling Lol



Dear Bradley,

I have applied your previous payment for 2 BitForce Singles to a new order for one BitForce Single SC and have sent you a PayPal invoice for the difference ($91). Upon receipt of this payment your order upgrade will be confirmed and your order date will become 6/23/2012 which is the earliest date we began accepting pre-orders for the SC products.

Kind regards,

John
BF Labs, Inc. Customer Service

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:59 AM, PlazzMan <plazzman05@aim.com> wrote:

    Hello Customer Service,

      On Mon. June 18, 2012 a had ordered 2 BitForce SHA256 Singles as you will see from the receipt posted below.
      I would like to convert it into preorder for 1 BitForce Single ‘SC’  40 GH/s  -  $1,299
      I would have no problem paying the difference in usd which I believe is $101 difference.
      Will be awaiting an Invoice from BFL Labs.

    Thank You, Brad Goodnight
    plazzman05@aim.com




    -----Original Message-----
    From: Butterfly Labs Inc <office@butterflylabs.com>
    To: plazzman05 <plazzman05@aim.com>
    Sent: Fri, Jun 22, 2012 12:49 pm
    Subject: Re: New submission from Order Form - BitForce SHA256 Single

    Hi Bradley, thank you for your order.

    Your PayPal payment has been received in full and your 2 BitForce SHA256 Singles are secure. Your date of purchase is 06/18/2012. I will send you tracking when your order ships.

    Thanks again for your interest in our product.

    Kind regards,
    Jody D.
    Customer Service
    BF Labs, Inc.


    On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Bradley Goodnight <plazzman05@aim.com> wrote:

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October 17, 2012, 02:32:34 AM
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Still waiting for that link to the discussion.....

Then get busy and make a post on the BFL forums and I'm sure you'll get an answer.

@ BFL_Josh/Inaba

Your request has been properly fulfilled and can be found at the following link:

http://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/158-Safe-operating-temperature?p=2191#post2191

Posted on: 10-16-2012, 09:30 PM (Central Time)
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October 17, 2012, 02:38:41 AM
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The negative posters here suck for shitting on Tom's thread when you know he is out of town.

That sucks

If anyone wants to sell me their basic order for 54 ghash and they paid and Tom's verifies he will transfer the order.

I will buy up to three to get rid of shitty posts.

No one wants to sell, I didn't think so

Shit somewhere else

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October 17, 2012, 03:41:44 AM
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LOL I think you missed the part where Cablepair said he went out of town.....

Nope, i'm aware of that. I was referring to his post that attracted inaba to the thread. (he called out *** on their 1W/Gh claim).  This slingfest and negativity could have been avoided, and hopefully will stop now.
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October 17, 2012, 03:57:45 AM
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LOL I think you missed the part where Cablepair said he went out of town.....

Nope, i'm aware of that. I was referring to his post that attracted inaba to the thread. (he called out *** on their 1W/Gh claim).  This slingfest and negativity could have been avoided, and hopefully will stop now.

I don't see an issue with calling out the 1 watt/gh claim. Esp. considering his supporting evidence shows that BFL has in the past grossly overestimated their stats.

BFL numbers are based on calculations not actual devices. I will believe it when I see it given their past history. Tom has address the power issue here before, saying he would give an actual estimate when he has boards in his hand as he doesn't want to give an unreasonable number. He has stated his power draw will be competitive and I believe him given his past transparency and reliability.

This is just Josh trolling plain an simple. I wish BFL would hire more competent people to handle PR as all Josh is doing his making his company look worse and as evidenced from this thread making people question (more so than Tom could ever do) if their purchase with BFL was right.
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October 17, 2012, 04:04:54 AM
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Sorry squid, but you're incorrect.  Tom spoke up about the power, of which he knows nothing about, making seemingly factual statements.  I am here to correct him and get answers to the questions about his power consumption as well as what he means by "competitive." 

If he knows so much about our power, it stands to reason he knows even more about his power consumption, so again I ask, why is he hiding this information from his customers?  What's wrong with the power consumption on these boards that he has to hide even the estimates of what it might be?  Why does he say that the refund policy will change when he releases the power information?  He "guarantees" that the power will be competitive, but doesn't say what competitive is.  What is this "guarantee?" 

He leaves lots of open questions for supposedly being "transparent" and lots of wiggle room to back out and keep our money if he ends up with a board that has 2 or 3x the power consumption of the competing products.  I know, for my part, I would not want a device that runs at 200w at 60 GH/s - it would never see a positive ROI.  Even at 150w, your ROI would be measured in years, not months.

So I want to know if I can get a refund if it turns out his power is not "competitive," since he "guarantees" that it will be. 

If you're searching these lines for a point, you've probably missed it.  There was never anything there in the first place.
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October 17, 2012, 04:05:00 AM
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Thanks AmDD and Plazzman for the info - much appreciated.

After 6 more hours of running it's got down to 1.3% HW and 837MH/s
It's 9:50am here and will be interesting to see how it handles the day getting warm here
- though it is in my basement garage, the temp down there does change, but more slowly, so the day peek is always much lower than outside

It's set to change less the longer it runs i.e. early faster changing at startup (minutes) but slower changes up or down as time proceeds (up to an hour/hours) - that's controlled by a set of constants, but I may make them --modminer-options (something like --icarus-options) so people who have boards that perform better (or worse) or are in more (or less) stable environments can possibly change some of them (within certain limits) at runtime

kano, to what extent will you be supporting the bASIC and how well do you foresee cgminer running on Ubuntu 12.04?
ckolivas and I are 2 of the developers getting a dev bASIC for ensuring early cgminer support.

This work on the MMQ (mainly the rethreading part I'll get to next) is also very much in line with supporting the bASIC (and other ASIC) due to the major performance issues they will represent.

cgminer already runs on 12.04
I also have a 12.04 VM setup, but idle, since I don't need it while ckolvias binaries support and run on 12.04
... I created it in case anyone ever asked me for a non GPU 12.04 binary Smiley

I also have the 11.04 VM that I make the 'Version'a release each time in the cgminer thread since there is no 11.04 binary released by ckolivas (and I need it Tongue)
That will continue while GPU mining is still (in my opinion) an option, and I will start creating 12.04 binaries (in my downloads) if they are ever needed for a different version to what ckolivas creates if required

Hopefully that answers your questions Smiley

thanks.  looking forward to using it.  i already use cgminer with my gpu's and its great.
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October 17, 2012, 04:12:02 AM
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Even at 150w, your ROI would be measured in years, not months.

I hope ASIC isn't going to be this shit Sad.

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October 17, 2012, 04:18:15 AM
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LOL I think you missed the part where Cablepair said he went out of town.....

Nope, i'm aware of that. I was referring to his post that attracted inaba to the thread. (he called out *** on their 1W/Gh claim).  This slingfest and negativity could have been avoided, and hopefully will stop now.

I don't see an issue with calling out the 1 watt/gh claim. Esp. considering his supporting evidence shows that BFL has in the past grossly overestimated their stats.

BFL numbers are based on calculations not actual devices. I will believe it when I see it given their past history. Tom has address the power issue here before, saying he would give an actual estimate when he has boards in his hand as he doesn't want to give an unreasonable number. He has stated his power draw will be competitive and I believe him given his past transparency and reliability.

This is just Josh trolling plain an simple. I wish BFL would hire more competent people to handle PR as all Josh is doing his making his company look worse and as evidenced from this thread making people question (more so than Tom could ever do) if their purchase with BFL was right.
Since we're discussing BFL's power stats, I've made a little bet for anyone who wants to speculate on basically whether or not they'll achieve their advertised efficiency:

http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=782

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if BFL end up with the most efficient boards, as they've had the most cash to throw at the task, but I have trouble believing their claimed 1Gh/Joule efficiency...
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October 17, 2012, 04:20:45 AM
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LOL I think you missed the part where Cablepair said he went out of town.....

Nope, i'm aware of that. I was referring to his post that attracted inaba to the thread. (he called out *** on their 1W/Gh claim).  This slingfest and negativity could have been avoided, and hopefully will stop now.

I don't see an issue with calling out the 1 watt/gh claim. Esp. considering his supporting evidence shows that BFL has in the past grossly overestimated their stats.

BFL numbers are based on calculations not actual devices. I will believe it when I see it given their past history. Tom has address the power issue here before, saying he would give an actual estimate when he has boards in his hand as he doesn't want to give an unreasonable number. He has stated his power draw will be competitive and I believe him given his past transparency and reliability.

This is just Josh trolling plain an simple. I wish BFL would hire more competent people to handle PR as all Josh is doing his making his company look worse and as evidenced from this thread making people question (more so than Tom could ever do) if their purchase with BFL was right.

It has been a difficult challenge for both BFL and Tom/cablepair to conduct business on this forum. BFL has stated that they wish to avoid the Bitcointalk community and for good reason.

Tom/cablepair has been working on getting his companies own website with a forum for some time.

BFL_Josh has been professional on the Offical BFL website.

On bitcointalk he's been less professional I will give you that.

I have put my money on the fact that BFL will deliver their Mini SC units close +/- 10% of posted specs some time in November.

I have also put money that Tom's Offering will be "competitive" when he makes public the information he was reluctant to present and for good reason.

I look forward to purchasing further custom technology from both companies with their future offerings.

Please also realize that both companies have been working to produce their ASIC offering under the watchful eyes of other competitors as well.

And with that said.....


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October 17, 2012, 04:21:06 AM
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Keep in mind that even if a 54 GH bASIC uses 150W (2.5x) and a 60 GH BFL Single uses 60W, they're competitive for the first year of operation (assuming $0.12/kwh), regardless of the difficulty factor:
bASIC: $1099.99 + $157.68, $23.29/GH
BFL: $1333.00 + $63.07, $23.27/GH

And surely both will be obsolete within a year, so don't tell me about how many pennies you'll save after the first year. Tongue

And if it turns out the bASIC will use 250W, CablePair can simply lower the price by 10% or overclock to 60 GH to regain competitiveness.

The important factors to be considered when investing in ASICs is price per GH and delivery speed. The big question one should ask right now, is will a new BFL order be delivered before or after a new bASIC order, as that will affect the bottom line far far more than power cost. We have some estimates when each will ship the earliest orders, but in BFL's case especially, the delivery date of new orders is a wild guess. The sooner BFL figures out and publishes estimates of when they'll catch up with all pre-orders, the more sales they'll take from bASIC. Smiley

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So which pools do you suggest?

I like ozcoin  Cheesy

Agreed
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