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July 16, 2013, 07:44:49 PM
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Thanks dooglus Smiley

Do you still need these charts on a daily basis, if you know what I'm asking?  Wink

This new laptop grinds them out really quickly and easily, so it's no hardship doing them.  Just curious.

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Tue Jul 16 06:00:46 2013 <2000  246813 7fe94d73c11a0bf7:1  1Ki8fJt9DEhkAQbuorEvRh7DT8Y74Lc5Ff BET    12.00000000 WIN    371.83881600
Tue Jul 16 10:21:45 2013 <64000 246844 550260025500abdd:0  1HPHifXbhUG9xWPVGs8bd3AE4auqdBnWbR BET   207.00000000 WIN      0.91576800

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Total of 24 bets unaccounted for.

Results: 2013-Jul-16 12:42pm (up to block 246908)

   Address  Target   Should Win |    #Bets |        Win        |   Lose  | Refunds |   BTC In   |  BTC Out   |  Refund  |   Profit  |   RTP 
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1dice9wVt   64000      0.97656 |    25426 |   23023 (0.97866) |     502 |    1901 |   26603.74 |   26164.46 |   241.51 |    439.27 |  98.349
1diceDCd2   60000      0.91553 |   193335 |  176016 (0.91540) |   16268 |    1051 |   93427.14 |   92114.33 |     2.82 |   1312.81 |  98.595
1dicegEAr   56000      0.85449 |   112158 |   95311 (0.85627) |   15999 |     848 |   92457.26 |   91521.79 |   401.51 |    935.47 |  98.988
1dicec9k7   52000      0.79346 |   119581 |   94300 (0.79378) |   24499 |     782 |   75268.98 |   73418.24 |  1188.46 |   1850.74 |  97.541
1dice9wcM   48000      0.73242 |   507677 |  372172 (0.73465) |  134429 |    1076 |  336272.64 |  328185.66 |  6173.68 |   8086.97 |  97.595
1dice97EC   32768      0.50000 |   905115 |  451052 (0.49945) |  452046 |    2017 |  798114.52 |  776529.14 |  6524.75 |  21585.38 |  97.295
1dice8EMZ   32000      0.48828 |  1426831 |  695370 (0.48810) |  729279 |    2182 |  988063.13 |  968517.81 |  3003.07 |  19545.32 |  98.022
1dice7W2A   24000      0.36621 |   341536 |  125136 (0.36723) |  215625 |     775 |  605381.40 |  596553.60 |  1014.04 |   8827.80 |  98.542
1dice7fUk   16000      0.24414 |   363687 |   88548 (0.24406) |  274270 |     869 |  417745.53 |  402519.94 |  2323.71 |  15225.59 |  96.355
1dice7EYz   12000      0.18311 |   150615 |   27436 (0.18303) |  122461 |     718 |  188541.71 |  188869.29 |  3315.59 |   -327.58 | 100.174
1dice6YgE    8000      0.12207 |   277875 |   33946 (0.12248) |  243204 |     725 |  147836.19 |  147994.99 |   307.35 |   -158.79 | 100.107
1dice6wBx    6000      0.09155 |    70897 |    6422 (0.09136) |   63869 |     606 |   19951.31 |   20899.15 |     7.85 |   -947.83 | 104.751
1dice6GV5    4000      0.06104 |    43065 |    2647 (0.06210) |   39980 |     438 |    8269.12 |    8222.48 |    31.52 |     46.63 |  99.436
1dice6gJg    3000      0.04578 |    34552 |    1578 (0.04639) |   32440 |     534 |   11222.72 |   11920.27 |    40.52 |   -697.54 | 106.215
1dice6DPt    2000      0.03052 |   122699 |    3716 (0.03041) |  118486 |     497 |   77810.49 |   74090.88 |   155.74 |   3719.60 |  95.220
1dice61SN    1500      0.02289 |    29229 |     665 (0.02310) |   28129 |     435 |    8185.82 |    8736.31 |    15.39 |   -550.48 | 106.725
1dice5wwE    1000      0.01526 |   188862 |    2885 (0.01534) |  185222 |     755 |   57953.66 |   53732.54 |    31.32 |   4221.11 |  92.716
1dice4J1m     512      0.00781 |    43212 |     337 (0.00795) |   42056 |     819 |    8585.16 |    6997.57 |    10.42 |   1587.58 |  81.508
1dice3jkp     256      0.00391 |    29236 |     119 (0.00413) |   28663 |     454 |    6156.95 |    8717.39 |    13.38 |  -2560.43 | 141.586
1dice37Ee     128      0.00195 |    24246 |      44 (0.00186) |   23648 |     554 |    2483.10 |    1603.41 |    57.56 |    879.69 |  64.573
1dice2zdo      64      0.00098 |    33752 |      36 (0.00109) |   33127 |     589 |    2281.70 |    1750.87 |   117.25 |    530.83 |  76.735
1dice2xkj      32      0.00049 |    36338 |      17 (0.00047) |   35840 |     481 |    1782.40 |    1911.50 |     1.67 |   -129.09 | 107.243
1dice2WmR      16      0.00024 |    27629 |       5 (0.00018) |   27113 |     511 |     951.67 |     606.99 |    22.28 |    344.68 |  63.782
1dice2vQo       8      0.00012 |    28304 |       5 (0.00018) |   27728 |     571 |     669.20 |     434.20 |    15.55 |    235.00 |  64.884
1dice2pxm       4      0.00006 |    16219 |       2 (0.00013) |   15654 |     563 |     242.32 |     320.54 |    18.89 |    -78.21 | 132.278
1dice1Qf4       2      0.00003 |    14147 |       0 (0.00000) |   13529 |     618 |     199.71 |       0.59 |    31.53 |    199.12 |   0.296
1dice1e6p       1      0.00002 |   169768 |       4 (0.00002) |  166841 |    2923 |    2216.26 |    4485.65 |   198.71 |  -2269.39 | 202.398
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           small (bets < 4 BTC) |  5195129 | 2140284           | 3030867 |   23978 |  982565.01 |  964391.24 |   381.73 |  18173.77 |  98.150
            big (bets >= 4 BTC) |   140862 |   60508           |   80040 |     314 | 2996108.94 | 2932428.47 | 24884.47 |  63680.46 |  97.875
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                                |  5335991 | 2200792           | 3110907 |   24292 | 3978673.96 | 3896819.72 | 25266.20 |  81854.23 |  97.943
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SD Profit before fees:      81854.23941543 BTC (2.057%)
Cumulative Fees Paid:        4613.71077500 BTC
SD Profit after fees:       77240.52864043 BTC (1.941%)
Pending Liabilities:            1.01526382 BTC
Final SD Profit:            77239.51337661 BTC (1.941%)
Profit This Month:            189.06436327 BTC
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Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been:
Blockchain Tx: 17874656  :  SatoshiDice Tx:  9801901  (54.8%)
Blockchain MB:   7875.6  :  SatoshiDice MB:   4048.9  (51.4%)




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July 16, 2013, 09:28:29 PM
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Hios Wink

If this is provfair, then why am I seeing results before the next block is found ?

HT xD

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July 16, 2013, 11:04:45 PM
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Hios Wink

If this is provfair, then why am I seeing results before the next block is found ?

HT xD

The result is derived entirely from three things:

1) the site's daily secret
2) your bet's txid
3) your bet's output id within the tx

It doesn't matter which block your bet gets included in - that doesn't change the result.

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July 17, 2013, 05:03:46 PM
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if you do them once a week, I'm fime with that.
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July 17, 2013, 05:14:13 PM
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Hios Wink

If this is provfair, then why am I seeing results before the next block is found ?

HT xD

The result is derived entirely from three things:

1) the site's daily secret
2) your bet's txid
3) your bet's output id within the tx

It doesn't matter which block your bet gets included in - that doesn't change the result.

Then why does SD claim that bets are "provably trustworthy" ?

Or is SD only implying the provfair standard is in effect ?

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July 17, 2013, 10:15:07 PM
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Provably fair has nothing to do with bitcoin blockchain (although some provably fair sites use the block hash as part of the calculation).

Pravably fair means that you can prove that the result was not manipulated by the house.

you can see the details of the provably fairness of the SD bet clicking on it details.

for example: http://www.satoshidice.com/full.php?tx=116e1bed713524656eb8b70be537daafbe9a7cf9bc32b4d56cd2d786a743c17b

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July 17, 2013, 11:51:44 PM
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Final congrats to dooglus for all the charts Smiley
SatoshiDice is being sold, in full, to a new company that will take over all ownership, operations, and management.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg2751536#msg2751536

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July 18, 2013, 10:05:29 AM
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Final congrats to dooglus for all the charts Smiley
SatoshiDice is being sold, in full, to a new company that will take over all ownership, operations, and management.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg2751536#msg2751536

Charts may continue. I'm quite curious how the S.DICE will perform in comparison to JD.
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July 18, 2013, 04:59:49 PM
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Then why does SD claim that bets are "provably trustworthy" ?

Or is SD only implying the provfair standard is in effect ?

I don't really understand your point.  I think "trustworthy" and "fair" are being used interchangeably here.  It's nothing to do with blocks or confirmations.  It's to do with SD being unable to decide who wins and who loses in an unfair manner.


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July 18, 2013, 05:02:02 PM
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Charts may continue. I'm quite curious how the S.DICE will perform in comparison to JD.

I think the charts started before SDICE was ever floated.  I doubt the company being sold will stop me making new ones.

Am I reading it right that I sold at exactly the wrong time, and that if I had held out for another week I would have had my shares forcibly bought off me for much more than I sold them for?

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July 18, 2013, 05:08:58 PM
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Charts may continue. I'm quite curious how the S.DICE will perform in comparison to JD.
Am I reading it right that I sold at exactly the wrong time, and that if I had held out for another week I would have had my shares forcibly bought off me for much more than I sold them for?

Yes, I'm sorry for your loss Dooglus Sad

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258066.msg2756197#msg2756197
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Yes, I'm sorry for your loss Dooglus Sad

It's not been a great week.

Looks like SatoshiDice has had a rough time of it from the whales too:

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Wed Jul 17 18:37:05 2013 <12000 247067 6273ed77f4532f62:1  1Ki8fJt9DEhkAQbuorEvRh7DT8Y74Lc5Ff BET    23.00000000 WIN     99.71101066
Wed Jul 17 19:21:43 2013 <2000  247074 b00af6025d040ba9:0  1CyS46aiVc7oGTQjU15oT3Q8L1tJErQr1S BET     9.00000000 WIN    278.87911200
Wed Jul 17 20:29:12 2013 <2000  247088 a8e1654c24ec7666:3  145cS5xVFizeztymCoeQ6eJCEwfLsrHX4d BET     5.00000000 WIN    154.93284000
Wed Jul 17 21:44:54 2013 <2000  247098 1ce99fbb5c87af30:3  145cS5xVFizeztymCoeQ6eJCEwfLsrHX4d BET     5.00000000 WIN    154.93284000
Wed Jul 17 23:08:11 2013 <8000  247115 bb0746c2f4686568:2  14VZsCa5mJeoDqGKHsssKiyy6fQF3Kt7JC BET    17.00000000 WIN    119.00666400
Wed Jul 17 23:48:23 2013 <1000  247118 8b93c2eb6349200e:0  145cS5xVFizeztymCoeQ6eJCEwfLsrHX4d BET     2.00000000 WIN    125.93627200
Thu Jul 18 01:37:55 2013 <2000  247128 f3d2cedbed0f543d:4  14VZsCa5mJeoDqGKHsssKiyy6fQF3Kt7JC BET     9.00000000 WIN    278.87911200
Thu Jul 18 01:39:50 2013 <8000  247129 f3d2cedbed0f543d:3  14VZsCa5mJeoDqGKHsssKiyy6fQF3Kt7JC BET    17.00000000 WIN    119.00666400
Thu Jul 18 03:11:52 2013 <8000  247138 8404402d02475c22:1  1EcwGNvGKk2F1YzLFoPYmGWChH83wpB8cC BET    16.00000000 WIN    112.00627200
Thu Jul 18 03:55:37 2013 <8000  247143 28a20070b0ad9d86:3  1Af3Q2w5Byw7nXV3mEwgV7GRXpGs7VZPdm BET    16.00000000 WIN    112.00627200
Thu Jul 18 04:31:24 2013 <60000 247146 3b7dff95884dffd1:0  1NDHJE4FdtjVoRjqyz3ndzVixaNHytWq6E BET   157.00000000 WIN     11.15520586
Thu Jul 18 04:55:43 2013 <60000 247149 cbcd3dc9ca4e9fa2:0  1NDHJE4FdtjVoRjqyz3ndzVixaNHytWq6E BET   169.00000000 WIN     12.00783306

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Total of 125 bets unaccounted for.

Results: 2013-Jul-18 10:13am (up to block 247228)

   Address  Target   Should Win |    #Bets |        Win        |   Lose  | Refunds |   BTC In   |  BTC Out   |  Refund  |   Profit  |   RTP 
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1dice9wVt   64000      0.97656 |    25489 |   23082 (0.97859) |     505 |    1902 |   26614.37 |   26173.52 |   241.51 |    440.85 |  98.344
1diceDCd2   60000      0.91553 |   194267 |  176856 (0.91533) |   16359 |    1052 |   94015.83 |   92732.35 |   160.82 |   1283.48 |  98.635
1dicegEAr   56000      0.85449 |   112271 |   95405 (0.85625) |   16017 |     849 |   92473.14 |   91538.72 |   401.51 |    934.41 |  98.990
1dicec9k7   52000      0.79346 |   119820 |   94490 (0.79379) |   24547 |     783 |   75317.87 |   73473.35 |  1188.47 |   1844.51 |  97.551
1dice9wcM   48000      0.73242 |   508877 |  373034 (0.73461) |  134766 |    1077 |  336886.15 |  328783.09 |  6173.68 |   8103.06 |  97.595
1dice97EC   32768      0.50000 |   907254 |  452142 (0.49948) |  453092 |    2020 |  798583.52 |  776998.80 |  6524.76 |  21584.72 |  97.297
1dice8EMZ   32000      0.48828 |  1429248 |  696499 (0.48806) |  730566 |    2183 |  989578.61 |  969851.04 |  3003.07 |  19727.57 |  98.006
1dice7W2A   24000      0.36621 |   342393 |  125445 (0.36721) |  216173 |     775 |  605612.20 |  596753.14 |  1014.04 |   8859.06 |  98.537
1dice7fUk   16000      0.24414 |   365141 |   88932 (0.24414) |  275336 |     873 |  421093.11 |  406063.02 |  2376.71 |  15030.08 |  96.431
1dice7EYz   12000      0.18311 |   151779 |   27646 (0.18302) |  123412 |     721 |  191443.16 |  192607.23 |  3363.59 |  -1164.07 | 100.608
1dice6YgE    8000      0.12207 |   278559 |   34040 (0.12252) |  243790 |     729 |  150230.03 |  150442.90 |   408.35 |   -212.87 | 100.142
1dice6wBx    6000      0.09155 |    71034 |    6437 (0.09140) |   63991 |     606 |   20038.24 |   20902.89 |     7.85 |   -864.64 | 104.315
1dice6GV5    4000      0.06104 |    43078 |    2648 (0.06210) |   39992 |     438 |    8270.70 |    8222.65 |    31.52 |     48.04 |  99.419
1dice6gJg    3000      0.04578 |    34569 |    1578 (0.04637) |   32455 |     536 |   11240.88 |   11920.36 |    49.53 |   -679.47 | 106.045
1dice6DPt    2000      0.03052 |   123235 |    3744 (0.03051) |  118985 |     506 |   79274.46 |   77841.48 |   250.74 |   1432.98 |  98.192
1dice61SN    1500      0.02289 |    29235 |     665 (0.02309) |   28134 |     436 |    8186.02 |    8736.31 |    15.39 |   -550.29 | 106.722
1dice5wwE    1000      0.01526 |   189471 |    2894 (0.01534) |  185817 |     760 |   58036.06 |   53893.34 |    31.34 |   4142.72 |  92.862
1dice4J1m     512      0.00781 |    43282 |     337 (0.00794) |   42123 |     822 |    8586.08 |    6997.58 |    10.42 |   1588.50 |  81.499
1dice3jkp     256      0.00391 |    29245 |     119 (0.00413) |   28671 |     455 |    6157.06 |    8717.39 |    13.38 |  -2560.32 | 141.584
1dice37Ee     128      0.00195 |    24252 |      44 (0.00186) |   23654 |     554 |    2484.08 |    1603.41 |    57.56 |    880.67 |  64.548
1dice2zdo      64      0.00098 |    33775 |      36 (0.00108) |   33150 |     589 |    2283.89 |    1750.88 |   117.25 |    533.01 |  76.662
1dice2xkj      32      0.00049 |    36637 |      17 (0.00047) |   36139 |     481 |    1786.26 |    1911.52 |     1.67 |   -125.25 | 107.012
1dice2WmR      16      0.00024 |    27648 |       5 (0.00018) |   27132 |     511 |     951.94 |     606.99 |    22.28 |    344.94 |  63.764
1dice2vQo       8      0.00012 |    28367 |       5 (0.00018) |   27791 |     571 |     670.71 |     434.21 |    15.55 |    236.50 |  64.739
1dice2pxm       4      0.00006 |    16227 |       2 (0.00013) |   15662 |     563 |     242.41 |     320.54 |    18.89 |    -78.13 | 132.231
1dice1Qf4       2      0.00003 |    14200 |       0 (0.00000) |   13578 |     622 |     201.91 |       0.60 |    31.65 |    201.31 |   0.298
1dice1e6p       1      0.00002 |   170168 |       4 (0.00002) |  167123 |    3041 |    2219.31 |    4485.67 |   200.59 |  -2266.35 | 202.119
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           small (bets < 4 BTC) |  5207868 | 2145436           | 3038309 |   24123 |  984734.09 |  966571.87 |   383.80 |  18162.22 |  98.156
            big (bets >= 4 BTC) |   141653 |   60670           |   80651 |     332 | 3007744.04 | 2947191.21 | 25348.47 |  60552.82 |  97.987
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                                |  5349521 | 2206106           | 3118960 |   24455 | 3992478.14 | 3913763.09 | 25732.28 |  78715.05 |  98.028
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SD Profit before fees:      78715.05038376 BTC (1.972%)
Cumulative Fees Paid:        4628.16677500 BTC
SD Profit after fees:       74086.88360876 BTC (1.856%)
Pending Liabilities:           -9.28028262 BTC
Final SD Profit:            74096.16389138 BTC (1.856%)
Profit This Month:          -2954.28512196 BTC
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Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been:
Blockchain Tx: 17949401  :  SatoshiDice Tx:  9826432  (54.7%)
Blockchain MB:   7908.4  :  SatoshiDice MB:   4059.5  (51.3%)




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July 18, 2013, 05:32:36 PM
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I think the interest in sdice statistics will not be that much anymore. Maybe for comparison with JD. I would be greatly interested to see beautiful stats for Just-Dice though. Smiley

Yes, you had bad luck. :/

Personally I wouldn't be shy to ask 10% of profits instead of 5%. Doubt many investors will leave as it's still a great deal, especially now that sdice exits the investor scene.
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July 18, 2013, 05:53:06 PM
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I think the interest in sdice statistics will not be that much anymore. Maybe for comparison with JD. I would be greatly interested to see beautiful stats for Just-Dice though. Smiley

Yes, you had bad luck. :/

Personally I wouldn't be shy to ask 10% of profits instead of 5%. Doubt many investors will leave as it's still a great deal, especially now that sdice exits the investor scene.

Since I only take commission on new net profits, and we're currently 2500 BTC in the hole, and don't hit *new* profit until we're around 2k out of the hole I don't think the commission rate is going to count for much for quite a while.  100% of nothing is nothing...

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Called it to soon the site is still around so I will continue to appreciate the wonderful charts  Cool
Bad timing happens to everyone
I'm sorry for your loss Dooglus hopefully more just-dice investors will appear as S.Dice is force liquidating, from hungry investors looking to put there bitcoin somewhere.

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July 20, 2013, 03:22:31 AM
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Not really relevant, other than that it's a chart, but look at this beautiful martingale progression that happened on Just-Dice today:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=238613.msg2765791#msg2765791

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Total of 24 bets unaccounted for.

Results: 2013-Jul-19 08:19pm (up to block 247479)

   Address  Target   Should Win |    #Bets |        Win        |   Lose  | Refunds |   BTC In   |  BTC Out   |  Refund  |   Profit  |   RTP 
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1dice9wVt   64000      0.97656 |    25522 |   23112 (0.97862) |     505 |    1905 |   26617.49 |   26176.65 |   241.52 |    440.83 |  98.344
1diceDCd2   60000      0.91553 |   194719 |  177266 (0.91531) |   16401 |    1052 |   94111.19 |   92808.07 |   160.82 |   1303.12 |  98.615
1dicegEAr   56000      0.85449 |   112348 |   95474 (0.85628) |   16025 |     849 |   92484.52 |   91551.00 |   401.51 |    933.51 |  98.991
1dicec9k7   52000      0.79346 |   120015 |   94644 (0.79378) |   24588 |     783 |   75350.57 |   73506.69 |  1188.47 |   1843.88 |  97.553
1dice9wcM   48000      0.73242 |   509550 |  373543 (0.73464) |  134928 |    1079 |  337246.51 |  329128.56 |  6173.69 |   8117.94 |  97.593
1dice97EC   32768      0.50000 |   908543 |  452785 (0.49948) |  453733 |    2025 |  798955.64 |  777363.73 |  6524.78 |  21591.91 |  97.297
1dice8EMZ   32000      0.48828 |  1431138 |  697433 (0.48807) |  731520 |    2185 |  990127.81 |  970385.08 |  3003.08 |  19742.72 |  98.006
1dice7W2A   24000      0.36621 |   342979 |  125660 (0.36721) |  216544 |     775 |  605770.69 |  596893.98 |  1014.04 |   8876.70 |  98.535
1dice7fUk   16000      0.24414 |   366226 |   89197 (0.24414) |  276154 |     875 |  421184.62 |  406144.21 |  2376.72 |  15040.41 |  96.429
1dice7EYz   12000      0.18311 |   152411 |   27751 (0.18295) |  123938 |     722 |  191486.66 |  192654.86 |  3363.60 |  -1168.20 | 100.610
1dice6YgE    8000      0.12207 |   279329 |   34142 (0.12255) |  244456 |     731 |  150258.43 |  150476.66 |   408.36 |   -218.23 | 100.145
1dice6wBx    6000      0.09155 |    71071 |    6439 (0.09138) |   64026 |     606 |   20041.71 |   20903.12 |     7.85 |   -861.40 | 104.298
1dice6GV5    4000      0.06104 |    43083 |    2648 (0.06209) |   39997 |     438 |    8270.77 |    8222.65 |    31.52 |     48.12 |  99.418
1dice6gJg    3000      0.04578 |    34587 |    1578 (0.04634) |   32473 |     536 |   11241.16 |   11920.36 |    49.53 |   -679.20 | 106.042
1dice6DPt    2000      0.03052 |   123552 |    3753 (0.03050) |  119293 |     506 |   79287.71 |   77846.92 |   250.74 |   1440.78 |  98.183
1dice61SN    1500      0.02289 |    29239 |     665 (0.02309) |   28138 |     436 |    8186.17 |    8736.31 |    15.39 |   -550.14 | 106.720
1dice5wwE    1000      0.01526 |   191010 |    2913 (0.01531) |  187336 |     761 |   58200.70 |   54039.26 |    31.35 |   4161.43 |  92.850
1dice4J1m     512      0.00781 |    43360 |     338 (0.00795) |   42198 |     824 |    8590.00 |    7010.21 |    10.43 |   1579.78 |  81.609
1dice3jkp     256      0.00391 |    29308 |     119 (0.00412) |   28733 |     456 |    6161.86 |    8717.41 |    13.39 |  -2555.55 | 141.474
1dice37Ee     128      0.00195 |    24363 |      44 (0.00185) |   23765 |     554 |    2485.29 |    1603.42 |    57.56 |    881.87 |  64.516
1dice2zdo      64      0.00098 |    33862 |      36 (0.00108) |   33237 |     589 |    2287.56 |    1750.90 |   117.25 |    536.66 |  76.540
1dice2xkj      32      0.00049 |    37020 |      17 (0.00047) |   36522 |     481 |    1794.84 |    1911.56 |     1.67 |   -116.72 | 106.503
1dice2WmR      16      0.00024 |    27841 |       5 (0.00018) |   27325 |     511 |     958.20 |     607.02 |    22.28 |    351.17 |  63.351
1dice2vQo       8      0.00012 |    28750 |       5 (0.00018) |   28173 |     572 |     679.98 |     434.25 |    15.85 |    245.72 |  63.863
1dice2pxm       4      0.00006 |    16229 |       2 (0.00013) |   15663 |     564 |     242.42 |     320.54 |    19.06 |    -78.12 | 132.225
1dice1Qf4       2      0.00003 |    14204 |       0 (0.00000) |   13582 |     622 |     202.00 |       0.60 |    31.65 |    201.40 |   0.298
1dice1e6p       1      0.00002 |   170791 |       4 (0.00002) |  167743 |    3044 |    2228.00 |    4485.72 |   200.69 |  -2257.71 | 201.334
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           small (bets < 4 BTC) |  5219367 | 2148884           | 3046334 |   24149 |  986393.08 |  968126.40 |   384.46 |  18266.68 |  98.148
            big (bets >= 4 BTC) |   141683 |   60689           |   80662 |     332 | 3008059.54 | 2947473.49 | 25348.47 |  60586.05 |  97.986
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                                |  5361050 | 2209573           | 3126996 |   24481 | 3994452.62 | 3915599.89 | 25732.93 |  78852.73 |  98.026
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SD Profit before fees:      78852.73341122 BTC (1.974%)
Cumulative Fees Paid:        4640.27157500 BTC
SD Profit after fees:       74212.46183622 BTC (1.858%)
Pending Liabilities:            7.15061440 BTC
Final SD Profit:            74205.31122182 BTC (1.858%)
Profit This Month:          -2845.13779152 BTC
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Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been:
Blockchain Tx: 18005347  :  SatoshiDice Tx:  9846349  (54.7%)
Blockchain MB:   7932.4  :  SatoshiDice MB:   4068.0  (51.3%)




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July 20, 2013, 07:39:59 AM
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Provably fair has nothing to do with bitcoin blockchain (although some provably fair sites use the block hash as part of the calculation).

Pravably fair means that you can prove that the result was not manipulated by the house.

you can see the details of the provably fairness of the SD bet clicking on it details.

for example: http://www.satoshidice.com/full.php?tx=116e1bed713524656eb8b70be537daafbe9a7cf9bc32b4d56cd2d786a743c17b
Then why does SD claim that bets are "provably trustworthy" ?

Or is SD only implying the provfair standard is in effect ?

I don't really understand your point.  I think "trustworthy" and "fair" are being used interchangeably here.  It's nothing to do with blocks or confirmations.  It's to do with SD being unable to decide who wins and who loses in an unfair manner.



Thanks for making things clear guys. Smiley

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July 20, 2013, 03:44:11 PM
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Dooglus, I know you're terribly busy, but when will you be launching these beautiful charts for just-dice.com ? Now that SD is delisted I can't wait!

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Sat Jul 20 13:00:47 2013 <48000 247553 3ec434588486e11c:0  17ATkqgoSbRQ1iJ4dxZyzznRi1LJyZnjiG BET   217.21690000 WIN     73.32489525
Sat Jul 20 13:11:26 2013 <48000 247555 78bd1704d9d57abb:0  17ATkqgoSbRQ1iJ4dxZyzznRi1LJyZnjiG BET   100.00000000 WIN     33.75653333
Sat Jul 20 13:31:46 2013 <48000 247557 18887380c27a6f9f:0  17ATkqgoSbRQ1iJ4dxZyzznRi1LJyZnjiG BET   200.00000000 WIN     67.51306666
Sun Jul 21 03:36:55 2013 <60000 247658 8c3708a63787f09c:0  15cSJaHENutQaDDMQLNaxgmn356Ygrwcip BET   131.00000000 LOSE  -130.34500000

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Total of 15 bets unaccounted for.

Results: 2013-Jul-20 10:56pm (up to block 247675)

   Address  Target   Should Win |    #Bets |        Win        |   Lose  | Refunds |   BTC In   |  BTC Out   |  Refund  |   Profit  |   RTP 
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1dice9wVt   64000      0.97656 |    25557 |   23147 (0.97865) |     505 |    1905 |   26620.43 |   26179.61 |   241.52 |    440.82 |  98.344
1diceDCd2   60000      0.91553 |   195285 |  177777 (0.91528) |   16456 |    1052 |   94313.08 |   92880.19 |   160.82 |   1432.88 |  98.481
1dicegEAr   56000      0.85449 |   112511 |   95617 (0.85632) |   16043 |     851 |   92535.93 |   91607.05 |   401.52 |    928.87 |  98.996
1dicec9k7   52000      0.79346 |   120175 |   94771 (0.79378) |   24621 |     783 |   75395.12 |   73546.22 |  1188.47 |   1848.89 |  97.548
1dice9wcM   48000      0.73242 |   510151 |  373982 (0.73464) |  135089 |    1080 |  337954.23 |  330015.09 |  6173.69 |   7939.13 |  97.651
1dice97EC   32768      0.50000 |   909780 |  453419 (0.49950) |  454335 |    2026 |  799229.82 |  777664.46 |  6524.79 |  21565.35 |  97.302
1dice8EMZ   32000      0.48828 |  1432329 |  697988 (0.48806) |  732154 |    2187 |  990360.14 |  970580.21 |  3003.09 |  19779.93 |  98.003
1dice7W2A   24000      0.36621 |   343441 |  125829 (0.36721) |  216836 |     776 |  605840.63 |  596963.23 |  1014.04 |   8877.40 |  98.535
1dice7fUk   16000      0.24414 |   367013 |   89376 (0.24411) |  276761 |     876 |  421291.67 |  406214.78 |  2376.73 |  15076.89 |  96.421
1dice7EYz   12000      0.18311 |   152747 |   27821 (0.18300) |  124203 |     723 |  191555.98 |  192700.97 |  3363.61 |  -1144.99 | 100.598
1dice6YgE    8000      0.12207 |   279746 |   34188 (0.12253) |  244825 |     733 |  150315.03 |  150490.44 |   408.37 |   -175.40 | 100.117
1dice6wBx    6000      0.09155 |    71166 |    6448 (0.09138) |   64112 |     606 |   20045.57 |   20907.04 |     7.85 |   -861.46 | 104.298
1dice6GV5    4000      0.06104 |    43448 |    2672 (0.06213) |   40338 |     438 |    8275.45 |    8227.15 |    31.52 |     48.29 |  99.416
1dice6gJg    3000      0.04578 |    34695 |    1586 (0.04643) |   32573 |     536 |   11243.25 |   11922.08 |    49.53 |   -678.83 | 106.038
1dice6DPt    2000      0.03052 |   123798 |    3767 (0.03055) |  119525 |     506 |   79342.66 |   77934.83 |   250.74 |   1407.83 |  98.226
1dice61SN    1500      0.02289 |    29380 |     669 (0.02311) |   28274 |     437 |    8188.22 |    8738.88 |    15.40 |   -550.66 | 106.725
1dice5wwE    1000      0.01526 |   191616 |    2923 (0.01532) |  187932 |     761 |   58244.74 |   54058.67 |    31.35 |   4186.07 |  92.813
1dice4J1m     512      0.00781 |    43388 |     338 (0.00794) |   42224 |     826 |    8590.80 |    7010.22 |    10.44 |   1580.58 |  81.601
1dice3jkp     256      0.00391 |    29338 |     119 (0.00412) |   28763 |     456 |    6162.27 |    8717.42 |    13.39 |  -2555.14 | 141.464
1dice37Ee     128      0.00195 |    24661 |      44 (0.00183) |   24063 |     554 |    2488.58 |    1603.44 |    57.56 |    885.14 |  64.432
1dice2zdo      64      0.00098 |    33871 |      36 (0.00108) |   33246 |     589 |    2287.65 |    1750.90 |   117.25 |    536.75 |  76.537
1dice2xkj      32      0.00049 |    37094 |      17 (0.00046) |   36596 |     481 |    1795.67 |    1911.57 |     1.67 |   -115.89 | 106.454
1dice2WmR      16      0.00024 |    27843 |       5 (0.00018) |   27327 |     511 |     958.22 |     607.02 |    22.28 |    351.19 |  63.349
1dice2vQo       8      0.00012 |    28770 |       5 (0.00018) |   28193 |     572 |     680.18 |     434.26 |    15.85 |    245.92 |  63.844
1dice2pxm       4      0.00006 |    16232 |       2 (0.00013) |   15666 |     564 |     242.45 |     320.54 |    19.06 |    -78.09 | 132.209
1dice1Qf4       2      0.00003 |    14211 |       0 (0.00000) |   13589 |     622 |     202.08 |       0.60 |    31.65 |    201.48 |   0.298
1dice1e6p       1      0.00002 |   171374 |       4 (0.00002) |  168298 |    3072 |    2240.69 |    4485.78 |   201.57 |  -2245.09 | 200.197
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           small (bets < 4 BTC) |  5227896 | 2151838           | 3051867 |   24191 |  987411.60 |  969151.59 |   385.39 |  18260.00 |  98.151
            big (bets >= 4 BTC) |   141724 |   60712           |   80680 |     332 | 3008989.06 | 2948321.17 | 25348.47 |  60667.89 |  97.984
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                                |  5369620 | 2212550           | 3132547 |   24523 | 3996400.67 | 3917472.77 | 25733.86 |  78927.89 |  98.025
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SD Profit before fees:      78927.89599333 BTC (1.975%)
Cumulative Fees Paid:        4649.26377500 BTC
SD Profit after fees:       74278.63221833 BTC (1.859%)
Pending Liabilities:            0.69778567 BTC
Final SD Profit:            74277.93443266 BTC (1.859%)
Profit This Month:          -2772.51458068 BTC
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Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been:
Blockchain Tx: 18043276  :  SatoshiDice Tx:  9861700  (54.7%)
Blockchain MB:   7949.1  :  SatoshiDice MB:   4074.3  (51.3%)




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July 21, 2013, 09:12:09 AM
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Speaking only for my self, I will unwatch this thread (watched it only for the reports), since S.DICE have been delisted from MPEX.

Thanks for all your reports!
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