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July 07, 2013, 12:24:54 AM
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Thu Jul  4 15:00:40 2013 <2000  244760 a8cdb68d89c76a9a:2  19gQo7vdhipm5BQiPfmWeniPtxAbnY5Kmi BET     4.00000000 WIN    123.94627200
Sat Jul  6 00:59:37 2013 <2000  245012 fd21bb1b3f601249:2  19gQo7vdhipm5BQiPfmWeniPtxAbnY5Kmi BET     4.00000000 WIN    123.94627200
Sat Jul  6 17:28:06 2013 <32000 245135 18d9effc58d5160e:0  1BpenLeGL2jV9KPrPrMoWMLMHPrPG7ETyR BET   104.00000000 WIN    104.40019200

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Total of 16 bets unaccounted for.

Results: 2013-Jul-06 01:30pm (up to block 245165)

   Address  Target   Should Win |    #Bets |        Win        |   Lose  | Refunds |   BTC In   |  BTC Out   |  Refund  |   Profit  |   RTP 
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1dice9wVt   64000      0.97656 |    25300 |   22906 (0.97864) |     500 |    1894 |   26379.40 |   25939.65 |   241.48 |    439.74 |  98.333
1diceDCd2   60000      0.91553 |   188095 |  171240 (0.91550) |   15805 |    1050 |   92894.94 |   91607.82 |     2.82 |   1287.11 |  98.614
1dicegEAr   56000      0.85449 |   111229 |   94539 (0.85646) |   15844 |     846 |   92185.77 |   91273.56 |   401.50 |    912.20 |  99.010
1dicec9k7   52000      0.79346 |   118383 |   93375 (0.79394) |   24234 |     774 |   74993.20 |   73142.06 |  1188.43 |   1851.14 |  97.532
1dice9wcM   48000      0.73242 |   499426 |  366126 (0.73466) |  132238 |    1062 |  333224.36 |  325153.80 |  6173.61 |   8070.55 |  97.578
1dice97EC   32768      0.50000 |   894122 |  445622 (0.49951) |  446504 |    1996 |  796180.37 |  774863.68 |  6524.65 |  21316.68 |  97.323
1dice8EMZ   32000      0.48828 |  1413265 |  688766 (0.48810) |  722339 |    2160 |  980821.26 |  960692.64 |  2927.02 |  20128.62 |  97.948
1dice7W2A   24000      0.36621 |   335448 |  122887 (0.36717) |  211797 |     764 |  604333.19 |  595489.70 |  1013.98 |   8843.48 |  98.537
1dice7fUk   16000      0.24414 |   356050 |   86707 (0.24411) |  268487 |     856 |  408857.84 |  393627.12 |  2323.65 |  15230.72 |  96.275
1dice7EYz   12000      0.18311 |   147291 |   26840 (0.18311) |  119738 |     713 |  185964.80 |  186757.05 |  3315.57 |   -792.25 | 100.426
1dice6YgE    8000      0.12207 |   274424 |   33566 (0.12263) |  240156 |     702 |  137862.19 |  137127.53 |   101.30 |    734.65 |  99.467
1dice6wBx    6000      0.09155 |    69673 |    6321 (0.09151) |   62752 |     600 |   18358.61 |   20067.96 |     7.83 |  -1709.35 | 109.311
1dice6GV5    4000      0.06104 |    42915 |    2641 (0.06217) |   39839 |     435 |    8250.69 |    8212.08 |    31.50 |     38.60 |  99.532
1dice6gJg    3000      0.04578 |    34397 |    1572 (0.04642) |   32293 |     532 |   10918.90 |   11640.34 |    25.52 |   -721.44 | 106.607
1dice6DPt    2000      0.03052 |   120303 |    3641 (0.03039) |  116173 |     489 |   71788.50 |   68409.08 |     9.74 |   3379.42 |  95.293
1dice61SN    1500      0.02289 |    29082 |     664 (0.02318) |   27985 |     433 |    8179.67 |    8735.85 |    15.38 |   -556.18 | 106.800
1dice5wwE    1000      0.01526 |   184590 |    2815 (0.01531) |  181024 |     751 |   56747.72 |   52896.01 |     2.95 |   3851.71 |  93.213
1dice4J1m     512      0.00781 |    42931 |     335 (0.00795) |   41779 |     817 |    8571.57 |    6992.50 |    10.41 |   1579.06 |  81.578
1dice3jkp     256      0.00391 |    29124 |     119 (0.00415) |   28553 |     452 |    6152.10 |    8717.37 |    13.38 |  -2565.26 | 141.697
1dice37Ee     128      0.00195 |    24115 |      44 (0.00187) |   23519 |     552 |    2476.96 |    1603.38 |    48.66 |    873.58 |  64.732
1dice2zdo      64      0.00098 |    33099 |      36 (0.00111) |   32474 |     589 |    2255.14 |    1750.74 |   117.25 |    504.39 |  77.633
1dice2xkj      32      0.00049 |    35177 |      17 (0.00049) |   34679 |     481 |    1767.47 |    1911.42 |     1.67 |   -143.94 | 108.144
1dice2WmR      16      0.00024 |    27294 |       5 (0.00019) |   26780 |     509 |     943.14 |     606.95 |    22.26 |    336.19 |  64.354
1dice2vQo       8      0.00012 |    27877 |       5 (0.00018) |   27305 |     567 |     657.99 |     434.14 |    14.71 |    223.84 |  65.981
1dice2pxm       4      0.00006 |    16132 |       2 (0.00013) |   15570 |     560 |     241.22 |     320.54 |    18.58 |    -79.31 | 132.879
1dice1Qf4       2      0.00003 |    14058 |       0 (0.00000) |   13450 |     608 |     198.45 |       0.58 |    30.85 |    197.86 |   0.295
1dice1e6p       1      0.00002 |   165926 |       3 (0.00002) |  163170 |    2753 |    2173.74 |    3845.43 |   191.50 |  -1671.68 | 176.903
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           small (bets < 4 BTC) |  5121427 | 2110766           | 2987010 |   23651 |  971232.89 |  952959.71 |   370.14 |  18273.17 |  98.119
            big (bets >= 4 BTC) |   138299 |   60028           |   77977 |     294 | 2962146.43 | 2898859.39 | 24406.21 |  63287.03 |  97.863
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                                |  5259726 | 2170794           | 3064987 |   23945 | 3933379.32 | 3851819.11 | 24776.35 |  81560.21 |  97.926
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SD Profit before fees:      81560.21284274 BTC (2.074%)
Cumulative Fees Paid:        4533.32697500 BTC
SD Profit after fees:       77026.88586774 BTC (1.958%)
Pending Liabilities:           -2.43102051 BTC
Final SD Profit:            77029.31688825 BTC (1.958%)
Profit This Month:            -21.13212509 BTC
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Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been:
Blockchain Tx: 17487514  :  SatoshiDice Tx:  9664818  (55.3%)
Blockchain MB:   7702.4  :  SatoshiDice MB:   3990.5  (51.8%)





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July 07, 2013, 12:28:32 AM
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I just noticed I forgot to move the green line up.

It will be moved for the next report.

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July 07, 2013, 05:02:04 AM
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I just noticed I forgot to move the green line up.

It will be moved for the next report.
Unforgivable.  Never post again. 

J/k, thanks for the report. Are you posting every 2 days now then?
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July 07, 2013, 05:51:19 AM
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does just-dice has any impact on S.DICE betting volume yet? Looks like JD volume and frequency rises much quicker, at least at this time, when there are just a few bets per minute in S.DICE and it looks pretty dead.
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July 07, 2013, 07:06:02 AM
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J/k, thanks for the report. Are you posting every 2 days now then?

I bought a new laptop recently.  It has 6 GB of RAM whereas the previous one had only 4 GB.  I'm running the same OS, and all the same software on it.  But it has an AMD CPU.  I never bought one of those before.

It sucks at generating SatoshiDice charts.  It takes probably more than half an hour. and grinds the hard drive the whole time, making the laptop painful to use for anything other than reading.  That makes me not want to generate the report very often.  I'm also very busy with Just-Dice, which also keeps me from remembering about the report.

I still set it running when I know I'm not going to be using the computer for half an hour, but that's not very often recently.

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July 07, 2013, 07:07:51 AM
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does just-dice has any impact on S.DICE betting volume yet? Looks like JD volume and frequency rises much quicker, at least at this time, when there are just a few bets per minute in S.DICE and it looks pretty dead.

I didn't compare the activity on the two sites.  They're quite different things, what with SatoshiDice being blockchain only, and Just-Dice being real-time, off the blockchain.  This month's SatoshiDice chart does look rather flat so far though doesn't it?

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July 07, 2013, 01:32:48 PM
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does just-dice has any impact on S.DICE betting volume yet? Looks like JD volume and frequency rises much quicker, at least at this time, when there are just a few bets per minute in S.DICE and it looks pretty dead.

I didn't compare the activity on the two sites.  They're quite different things, what with SatoshiDice being blockchain only, and Just-Dice being real-time, off the blockchain.  This month's SatoshiDice chart does look rather flat so far though doesn't it?

Erik turned the bots off, after that last 2.6M share dump.

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July 09, 2013, 05:16:29 PM
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I'm finally out of SDICE.  Sold yesterday.  Lost 70% of investment.  Sad

Hopefully now the coins are in Just-Dice I'll make up the losses.

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Tue Jul  9 05:19:32 2013 <2000  245605 d061de963eb75fe8:2  19gQo7vdhipm5BQiPfmWeniPtxAbnY5Kmi BET     6.00000000 WIN    185.91940800
Tue Jul  9 06:31:16 2013 <8000  245614 88a6a62544f7a910:1  19gQo7vdhipm5BQiPfmWeniPtxAbnY5Kmi BET    19.00000000 WIN    133.00744800
Tue Jul  9 06:31:16 2013 <2000  245614 88a6a62544f7a910:2  19gQo7vdhipm5BQiPfmWeniPtxAbnY5Kmi BET     6.00000000 WIN    185.91940800
Tue Jul  9 06:31:16 2013 <8000  245614 859a800c612adab8:1  19gQo7vdhipm5BQiPfmWeniPtxAbnY5Kmi BET    19.00000000 WIN    133.00744800
Tue Jul  9 07:02:19 2013 <8000  245617 6a87c77d8bd876cd:1  19gQo7vdhipm5BQiPfmWeniPtxAbnY5Kmi BET    19.00000000 WIN    133.00744800
Tue Jul  9 07:46:44 2013 <2000  245627 50ca23782554d4c9:2  19gQo7vdhipm5BQiPfmWeniPtxAbnY5Kmi BET     7.00000000 WIN    216.90597600
Tue Jul  9 08:45:08 2013 <8000  245634 bfb8201689303777:1  19gQo7vdhipm5BQiPfmWeniPtxAbnY5Kmi BET    18.00000000 WIN    126.00705600
Tue Jul  9 09:10:22 2013 <16000 245637 bd203bf26d3feaf2:0  19gQo7vdhipm5BQiPfmWeniPtxAbnY5Kmi BET    39.00000000 WIN    117.10514400
Tue Jul  9 11:10:21 2013 <8000  245653 af6cdb3a967911dd:3  1LPfqFasQT1K7qeJyKp9NssFkBHuTNeTDr BET    16.00000000 WIN    112.00627200
Tue Jul  9 11:59:25 2013 <8000  245658 da8cb0ffa35454f7:1  19gQo7vdhipm5BQiPfmWeniPtxAbnY5Kmi BET    19.00000000 WIN    133.00744800
Tue Jul  9 12:09:02 2013 <8000  245660 6abf38bdb9281d9f:1  19gQo7vdhipm5BQiPfmWeniPtxAbnY5Kmi BET    18.00000000 WIN    126.00705600
Tue Jul  9 12:36:44 2013 <8000  245663 41dcbc8087c6e3a8:1  19gQo7vdhipm5BQiPfmWeniPtxAbnY5Kmi BET    22.00000000 WIN    154.00862400
Tue Jul  9 12:41:18 2013 <8000  245664 beed1b689efbb2de:1  19gQo7vdhipm5BQiPfmWeniPtxAbnY5Kmi BET    32.00000000 WIN    224.01254400
Tue Jul  9 13:05:36 2013 <8000  245667 77e7937ee636f3a4:1  19gQo7vdhipm5BQiPfmWeniPtxAbnY5Kmi BET    29.00000000 WIN    203.01136800
Tue Jul  9 13:15:00 2013 <2000  245670 af4670bfcea71546:1  19gQo7vdhipm5BQiPfmWeniPtxAbnY5Kmi BET    16.00000000 WIN    495.78508800
Tue Jul  9 13:59:46 2013 <2000  245681 ef5d504ff904d549:1  19gQo7vdhipm5BQiPfmWeniPtxAbnY5Kmi BET    12.00000000 WIN    371.83881600
Tue Jul  9 14:37:26 2013 <8000  245687 d8581f446c05358f:1  19gQo7vdhipm5BQiPfmWeniPtxAbnY5Kmi BET    34.00000000 WIN    238.01332800
Tue Jul  9 15:08:32 2013 <1     245692 7d152ebda3e3efc3:0  1AeikmvZ38eUEdwDoT2ZnMrswnJsFfzyMo BET     0.01000000 WIN    639.99000000
Tue Jul  9 16:02:39 2013 <8000  245701 622d6f7a0d3a2146:1  1FfV591tPUjnS4K3mXSQ7589taaji45PRS BET    19.00000000 WIN    133.00744800
Tue Jul  9 16:06:22 2013 <8000  245702 e3fb0171d4b08d4f:0  1FfV591tPUjnS4K3mXSQ7589taaji45PRS BET    26.00000000 WIN    182.01019200

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Total of 62 bets unaccounted for.

Results: 2013-Jul-09 10:05am (up to block 245709)

   Address  Target   Should Win |    #Bets |        Win        |   Lose  | Refunds |   BTC In   |  BTC Out   |  Refund  |   Profit  |   RTP 
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1dice9wVt   64000      0.97656 |    25337 |   22943 (0.97867) |     500 |    1894 |   26381.88 |   25942.15 |   241.48 |    439.73 |  98.333
1diceDCd2   60000      0.91553 |   189554 |  172577 (0.91551) |   15926 |    1051 |   93084.12 |   91794.77 |     2.82 |   1289.34 |  98.615
1dicegEAr   56000      0.85449 |   111552 |   94801 (0.85633) |   15905 |     846 |   92265.76 |   91327.50 |   401.50 |    938.26 |  98.983
1dicec9k7   52000      0.79346 |   118867 |   93757 (0.79394) |   24334 |     776 |   75116.61 |   73268.34 |  1188.43 |   1848.27 |  97.539
1dice9wcM   48000      0.73242 |   502268 |  368151 (0.73454) |  133049 |    1068 |  333792.22 |  325733.19 |  6173.64 |   8059.02 |  97.586
1dice97EC   32768      0.50000 |   897161 |  447084 (0.49945) |  448075 |    2002 |  796674.34 |  775274.69 |  6524.67 |  21399.65 |  97.314
1dice8EMZ   32000      0.48828 |  1417538 |  690882 (0.48813) |  724487 |    2169 |  983097.39 |  963646.41 |  2927.04 |  19450.97 |  98.021
1dice7W2A   24000      0.36621 |   337436 |  123621 (0.36719) |  213044 |     771 |  604620.23 |  595754.53 |  1014.02 |   8865.70 |  98.534
1dice7fUk   16000      0.24414 |   357878 |   87164 (0.24415) |  269853 |     861 |  411167.56 |  396048.20 |  2323.67 |  15119.36 |  96.323
1dice7EYz   12000      0.18311 |   148014 |   26977 (0.18315) |  120321 |     716 |  186083.68 |  186811.27 |  3315.58 |   -727.59 | 100.391
1dice6YgE    8000      0.12207 |   275357 |   33666 (0.12258) |  240982 |     709 |  140361.82 |  140015.19 |   101.32 |    346.62 |  99.753
1dice6wBx    6000      0.09155 |    70265 |    6380 (0.09158) |   63285 |     600 |   18554.61 |   20085.31 |     7.83 |  -1530.69 | 108.250
1dice6GV5    4000      0.06104 |    42983 |    2645 (0.06217) |   39903 |     435 |    8253.91 |    8214.22 |    31.50 |     39.69 |  99.519
1dice6gJg    3000      0.04578 |    34425 |    1573 (0.04641) |   32319 |     533 |   10976.84 |   11725.91 |    25.52 |   -749.07 | 106.824
1dice6DPt    2000      0.03052 |   120921 |    3658 (0.03037) |  116772 |     491 |   73042.97 |   69925.04 |    57.74 |   3117.93 |  95.731
1dice61SN    1500      0.02289 |    29129 |     664 (0.02314) |   28032 |     433 |    8182.38 |    8735.86 |    15.38 |   -553.48 | 106.764
1dice5wwE    1000      0.01526 |   185130 |    2819 (0.01529) |  181557 |     754 |   57080.23 |   52903.14 |    31.31 |   4177.08 |  92.682
1dice4J1m     512      0.00781 |    43015 |     335 (0.00794) |   41863 |     817 |    8573.97 |    6992.52 |    10.41 |   1581.45 |  81.555
1dice3jkp     256      0.00391 |    29142 |     119 (0.00415) |   28571 |     452 |    6154.61 |    8717.38 |    13.38 |  -2562.76 | 141.640
1dice37Ee     128      0.00195 |    24148 |      44 (0.00186) |   23552 |     552 |    2479.41 |    1603.39 |    48.66 |    876.02 |  64.668
1dice2zdo      64      0.00098 |    33156 |      36 (0.00111) |   32531 |     589 |    2255.76 |    1750.74 |   117.25 |    505.02 |  77.612
1dice2xkj      32      0.00049 |    35404 |      17 (0.00049) |   34906 |     481 |    1770.18 |    1911.43 |     1.67 |   -141.25 | 107.980
1dice2WmR      16      0.00024 |    27324 |       5 (0.00019) |   26809 |     510 |     943.56 |     606.95 |    22.27 |    336.60 |  64.326
1dice2vQo       8      0.00012 |    27902 |       5 (0.00018) |   27330 |     567 |     659.01 |     434.15 |    14.71 |    224.86 |  65.879
1dice2pxm       4      0.00006 |    16145 |       2 (0.00013) |   15582 |     561 |     241.34 |     320.54 |    18.58 |    -79.19 | 132.813
1dice1Qf4       2      0.00003 |    14076 |       0 (0.00000) |   13465 |     611 |     198.64 |       0.58 |    31.15 |    198.06 |   0.295
1dice1e6p       1      0.00002 |   166759 |       4 (0.00002) |  163898 |    2857 |    2181.85 |    4485.47 |   196.62 |  -2303.61 | 205.581
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           small (bets < 4 BTC) |  5142063 | 2119793           | 2998462 |   23808 |  974389.93 |  956448.16 |   375.74 |  17941.76 |  98.159
            big (bets >= 4 BTC) |   138823 |   60136           |   78389 |     298 | 2969805.09 | 2907580.83 | 24482.57 |  62224.25 |  97.905
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                                |  5280886 | 2179929           | 3076851 |   24106 | 3944195.02 | 3864029.00 | 24858.32 |  80166.02 |  97.967
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SD Profit before fees:      80166.02792236 BTC (2.033%)
Cumulative Fees Paid:        4555.64477500 BTC
SD Profit after fees:       75610.38314736 BTC (1.917%)
Pending Liabilities:         -121.48652151 BTC
Final SD Profit:            75731.86966887 BTC (1.920%)
Profit This Month:          -1318.57934447 BTC
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Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been:
Blockchain Tx: 17589503  :  SatoshiDice Tx:  9702779  (55.2%)
Blockchain MB:   7747.6  :  SatoshiDice MB:   4007.1  (51.7%)




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July 10, 2013, 12:12:58 AM
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'Grats on getting out Dooglus.
Probably hurts, but it's probably a very liberating feeling.

I'm hoping to get out ASAP, but posts like these make it worse for me as I'm trying to mitigate my losses.  Catch-22... I want to empathize and be happy for people while not devaluing S.DICE.

Thanks again for the report. 

I've been waiting and waiting for the promised announcement of new features, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen, so I gave up.

I'll continue posting the reports as long as there's any interest.  I got a new laptop today with more RAM and a faster processor, so hopefully it won't be too painful to generate them in the future.

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Please do keep posting - if SatoshiDice is losing popularity we want to see the stats showing the decline.

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'Grats on getting out Dooglus.
Probably hurts, but it's probably a very liberating feeling.

I'm hoping to get out ASAP, but posts like these make it worse for me as I'm trying to mitigate my losses.  Catch-22... I want to empathize and be happy for people while not devaluing S.DICE.

Thanks again for the report. 

I've been waiting and waiting for the promised announcement of new features, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen, so I gave up.

I'll continue posting the reports as long as there's any interest.  I got a new laptop today with more RAM and a faster processor, so hopefully it won't be too painful to generate them in the future.

Wait - another new laptop? Do you eat them, or practice your chainsaw skills on them?

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[...] I got a new laptop today with more RAM and a faster processor, so hopefully it won't be too painful to generate them in the future.

Ha, I like how your solution to upgrading a laptop's RAM and processor is to buy a new laptop altogether Tongue

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How come you made 70% percent loss on S.DICE. Did you not buy at IPO prices? I have like 80% percent back on dividends + I did some day trading with S.DICE shares, but if you bought at IPO you should have like 50% back on dividends (I'm too lazy to search for exact numbers though, so anyone correct me, if I'm wrong).
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How come you made 70% percent loss on S.DICE. Did you not buy at IPO prices? I have like 80% percent back on dividends + I did some day trading with S.DICE shares, but if you bought at IPO you should have like 50% back on dividends (I'm too lazy to search for exact numbers though, so anyone correct me, if I'm wrong).

I don't know.  I put 80 BTC onto bitfunder and got 28.3309509 BTC back (including dividends).  Turns out it's only a 64.6% loss.

Here's how the magic happened, using my patented "buy high, sell low" technique:


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July 10, 2013, 05:38:42 AM
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[...] I got a new laptop today with more RAM and a faster processor, so hopefully it won't be too painful to generate them in the future.

Ha, I like how your solution to upgrading a laptop's RAM and processor is to buy a new laptop altogether Tongue

The last one turned out to be a lemon.  It crashes randomly if I look at it wrongly.  I think there must be a hardware fault with it.  I'll return it for repair, but can't be without a laptop while that's happening.  So I figured I should get another one.  Always good to have a spare, right?  Also, the AMD graphics on it aren't really supported by the OS I run, it crashes about 10% of the time when I try to resume from suspend.  All in all I regret buying it, but left it too long to return it.

The old one is now permanently offline, acting as Just-Dice cold storage, so that's not an option.

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July 10, 2013, 03:10:16 PM
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How come you made 70% percent loss on S.DICE. Did you not buy at IPO prices? I have like 80% percent back on dividends + I did some day trading with S.DICE shares, but if you bought at IPO you should have like 50% back on dividends (I'm too lazy to search for exact numbers though, so anyone correct me, if I'm wrong).

I don't know.  I put 80 BTC onto bitfunder and got 28.3309509 BTC back (including dividends).  Turns out it's only a 64.6% loss.

Here's how the magic happened, using my patented "buy high, sell low" technique:




Ouch, my numbers weren't as big, but had a similar scenario on bitfunder. I bought in around the same price, but I dumped mine about .0035 so it didn't hurt quite as bad, and I only lost about 3 BTC. Sorry dooglus. Hope just-dice is making it back for you.

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July 10, 2013, 05:39:07 PM
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How come you made 70% percent loss on S.DICE. Did you not buy at IPO prices? I have like 80% percent back on dividends + I did some day trading with S.DICE shares, but if you bought at IPO you should have like 50% back on dividends (I'm too lazy to search for exact numbers though, so anyone correct me, if I'm wrong).

I don't know.  I put 80 BTC onto bitfunder and got 28.3309509 BTC back (including dividends).  Turns out it's only a 64.6% loss.

Here's how the magic happened, using my patented "buy high, sell low" technique:




I'm sorry for your loss Sad

Yes it was a horrible run since February. In USD SDICE lost -40%, dividends included! It's rightful to feel bad about that.
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This one's for RationalSpeculator.

Thanks for caring about my loss, people, but I've already made it back on my Just-Dice investment.  Smiley

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Tue Jul  9 20:56:19 2013 <8000  245735 e6342e8362075275:1  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    21.00000000 WIN    147.00823200
Tue Jul  9 21:13:36 2013 <8000  245737 bfde621a00fd01bd:1  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    28.00000000 WIN    196.01097600
Tue Jul  9 21:13:36 2013 <1000  245737 b59fe42ec9fecc95:1  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET     4.00000000 WIN    251.87254400
Tue Jul  9 21:24:50 2013 <2000  245739 f6396287b120762a:2  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET     9.00000000 WIN    278.87911200
Tue Jul  9 21:24:50 2013 <8000  245739 7446e85778c3f4a3:1  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    23.00000000 WIN    161.00901600
Tue Jul  9 22:23:50 2013 <8000  245743 69a314e796c2e6f6:1  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    28.00000000 WIN    196.01097600
Tue Jul  9 23:01:30 2013 <2000  245746 bb71c5094eaad4f1:0  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET     7.00000000 WIN    216.90597600
Tue Jul  9 23:01:30 2013 <8000  245746 c4d798b84c8240f9:1  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    16.00000000 WIN    112.00627200
Tue Jul  9 23:59:35 2013 <2000  245754 15bc42959d0817a1:0  1LktGPFJviEab7CHNQ3xxGAvXQ9psdcvau BET     9.00000000 WIN    278.87911200
Wed Jul 10 00:04:49 2013 <8000  245755 be38a9e0db6e5bd8:0  19jbJsmGWRaFycbp6tRtkR4VVsErBq4Wis BET    17.00000000 WIN    119.00666400
Wed Jul 10 00:09:12 2013 <8000  245756 2acb42cf3ef865d1:1  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    22.00000000 WIN    154.00862400
Wed Jul 10 00:28:12 2013 <6000  245762 0ba20a2fa23def0e:1  16U6mo1kPQuqrSaHjijDFNnnbfEfCGdmeZ BET    20.00000000 WIN    193.31045333
Wed Jul 10 00:40:12 2013 <8000  245764 04695da25d6bc54b:1  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    18.00000000 WIN    126.00705600
Wed Jul 10 02:00:59 2013 <8000  245773 2caf91f7826e95cc:1  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    17.00000000 WIN    119.00666400
Wed Jul 10 02:00:59 2013 <8000  245773 5e64ef3314f77dfd:2  16U6mo1kPQuqrSaHjijDFNnnbfEfCGdmeZ BET    22.00000000 WIN    154.00862400
Wed Jul 10 02:00:59 2013 <2000  245773 96b65619be9cdda5:1  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    10.00000000 WIN    309.86568000
Wed Jul 10 02:28:16 2013 <2000  245777 deab9f1e5c300d90:2  16U6mo1kPQuqrSaHjijDFNnnbfEfCGdmeZ BET    11.00000000 WIN    340.85224800
Wed Jul 10 02:50:18 2013 <8000  245780 8d9d937ea60fc261:1  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    15.00000000 WIN    105.00588000
Wed Jul 10 02:58:18 2013 <8000  245781 98da13c515556955:1  1D1q5o7FZn3kCbFNEBymE5wswbyoVeu9Bs BET    21.00000000 WIN    147.00823200
Wed Jul 10 02:58:18 2013 <2000  245781 040c83606dd1f777:2  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET     9.00000000 WIN    278.87911200
Wed Jul 10 04:16:48 2013 <8000  245788 1200dbe15a7790e2:1  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    15.00000000 WIN    105.00588000
Wed Jul 10 04:44:20 2013 <8000  245793 3cb824b383b675c1:3  1Hf6PQQPRe9KH3KpAPEtLjAFJKbJFsKPRB BET    20.00000000 WIN    140.00784000
Wed Jul 10 04:55:31 2013 <8000  245795 bd333c81eee4171a:0  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    25.00000000 WIN    175.00980000
Wed Jul 10 05:11:25 2013 <6000  245797 5a823ebc722ea4e6:4  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    16.00000000 WIN    154.64836266
Wed Jul 10 05:23:36 2013 <16000 245799 89492f0f39f0e052:0  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    36.00000000 WIN    108.09705600
Wed Jul 10 05:33:35 2013 <8000  245800 a09cb6ab623626e3:0  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    24.00000000 WIN    168.00940800
Wed Jul 10 05:55:49 2013 <8000  245801 cb1281e501f09aab:4  1Hf6PQQPRe9KH3KpAPEtLjAFJKbJFsKPRB BET    20.00000000 WIN    140.00784000
Wed Jul 10 06:01:02 2013 <8000  245803 f0d89f365c176049:3  1DQ7yxexeDo7QVkoXPbf6gKmcpchbdEb3V BET    18.00000000 WIN    126.00705600
Wed Jul 10 06:07:00 2013 <8000  245805 b7c669b7681e6f9b:1  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    16.00000000 WIN    112.00627200
Wed Jul 10 06:47:00 2013 <8000  245809 3a9544d63aea68e4:1  1Hf6PQQPRe9KH3KpAPEtLjAFJKbJFsKPRB BET    29.00000000 WIN    203.01136800
Wed Jul 10 06:57:17 2013 <8000  245812 81a5a6356ab0246c:2  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    15.00000000 WIN    105.00588000
Wed Jul 10 07:13:59 2013 <2000  245814 b64fc42eea34f40e:0  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET     7.00000000 WIN    216.90597600
Wed Jul 10 07:38:23 2013 <1000  245819 ff8ccfba5921ce9f:3  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET     2.00000000 WIN    125.93627200
Wed Jul 10 08:47:33 2013 <8000  245823 55c5a0a9ff8a4ef7:4  14kmeURcEiLvniuubqKmquNXBNoRPDgdZs BET    15.00000000 WIN    105.00588000
Wed Jul 10 09:21:26 2013 <8000  245828 530d129b70d7cbf4:2  1143iB2H3rBA8qMxxGhvwQ44rJkGVssrtz BET    24.00000000 WIN    168.00940800
Wed Jul 10 09:43:13 2013 <2000  245829 ae4127dbdd415017:0  1NGgTsQVUTNnk7gZojxkpNS8YmP8TJd3Zk BET     9.00000000 WIN    278.87911200
Wed Jul 10 10:31:36 2013 <8000  245835 757598bc94de58ea:0  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    25.00000000 WIN    175.00980000
Wed Jul 10 10:37:00 2013 <8000  245837 f1b08b3878efd43f:1  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    25.00000000 WIN    175.00980000
Wed Jul 10 11:18:42 2013 <8000  245842 c75d2eb4fc740dca:0  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    26.00000000 WIN    182.01019200
Wed Jul 10 13:05:09 2013 <2000  245854 e31ae915fd6fd585:2  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET     7.00000000 WIN    216.90597600
Wed Jul 10 15:18:26 2013 <3000  245869 e955eb565d4d7731:2  16M1rdbw3xQhDZB4nhdAtJn4p24MmapGwM BET     9.00000000 WIN    182.93440800
Wed Jul 10 16:06:46 2013 <8000  245875 f9c1cea2abaee026:3  1EJjoW7Mr8B9oHvhbKWaHji34rj8vnEYQd BET    16.00000000 WIN    112.00627200
Wed Jul 10 16:50:41 2013 <6000  245880 6de5b8f30f311493:3  18vXpUJMYCFaghKHHCJtGcfa32jqyj7Wy8 BET    12.00000000 WIN    115.98627200
Wed Jul 10 17:46:09 2013 <8000  245885 7bfda0a44b195df7:4  18vXpUJMYCFaghKHHCJtGcfa32jqyj7Wy8 BET    30.00000000 WIN    210.01176000
Wed Jul 10 18:36:21 2013 <8000  245893 e0927954df7c4ca4:2  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    25.00000000 WIN    175.00980000
Wed Jul 10 18:36:21 2013 <2000  245893 96823dd68ff3db36:1  19gD4M8xzQA2yVV7M2k8ZR9TqoxkxaWLVn BET     9.00000000 WIN    278.87911200
Wed Jul 10 18:42:26 2013 <8000  245895 67da1a05446348f1:2  13BbsXMvGbCfRwb1XJa8n1JLKMDGBxMJJa BET    25.00000000 WIN    175.00980000

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Total of 68 bets unaccounted for.

Results: 2013-Jul-10 12:10pm (up to block 245898)

   Address  Target   Should Win |    #Bets |        Win        |   Lose  | Refunds |   BTC In   |  BTC Out   |  Refund  |   Profit  |   RTP 
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1dice9wVt   64000      0.97656 |    25354 |   22960 (0.97869) |     500 |    1894 |   26383.05 |   25943.32 |   241.48 |    439.72 |  98.333
1diceDCd2   60000      0.91553 |   190165 |  173138 (0.91552) |   15976 |    1051 |   93192.53 |   91896.53 |     2.82 |   1296.00 |  98.609
1dicegEAr   56000      0.85449 |   111622 |   94860 (0.85632) |   15916 |     846 |   92312.25 |   91375.58 |   401.50 |    936.67 |  98.985
1dicec9k7   52000      0.79346 |   118980 |   93832 (0.79382) |   24371 |     777 |   75147.05 |   73294.09 |  1188.43 |   1852.96 |  97.534
1dice9wcM   48000      0.73242 |   502948 |  368650 (0.73454) |  133228 |    1070 |  334380.42 |  326340.64 |  6173.64 |   8039.78 |  97.596
1dice97EC   32768      0.50000 |   898000 |  447527 (0.49948) |  448467 |    2006 |  796777.59 |  775355.14 |  6524.69 |  21422.44 |  97.311
1dice8EMZ   32000      0.48828 |  1418864 |  691515 (0.48812) |  725174 |    2175 |  984978.13 |  965430.50 |  3003.06 |  19547.63 |  98.015
1dice7W2A   24000      0.36621 |   337898 |  123802 (0.36723) |  213325 |     771 |  604681.91 |  595854.13 |  1014.02 |   8827.78 |  98.540
1dice7fUk   16000      0.24414 |   358554 |   87330 (0.24415) |  270363 |     861 |  414692.64 |  399384.08 |  2323.67 |  15308.55 |  96.308
1dice7EYz   12000      0.18311 |   148264 |   27024 (0.18315) |  120524 |     716 |  186493.57 |  187273.24 |  3315.58 |   -779.67 | 100.418
1dice6YgE    8000      0.12207 |   275872 |   33729 (0.12258) |  241425 |     718 |  145103.56 |  145503.73 |   307.33 |   -400.17 | 100.276
1dice6wBx    6000      0.09155 |    70486 |    6394 (0.09149) |   63491 |     601 |   19432.68 |   20602.58 |     7.84 |  -1169.90 | 106.020
1dice6GV5    4000      0.06104 |    42987 |    2645 (0.06216) |   39907 |     435 |    8254.02 |    8214.22 |    31.50 |     39.80 |  99.518
1dice6gJg    3000      0.04578 |    34461 |    1576 (0.04645) |   32351 |     534 |   11138.17 |   11919.21 |    40.52 |   -781.03 | 107.012
1dice6DPt    2000      0.03052 |   121347 |    3672 (0.03038) |  117178 |     497 |   76000.81 |   72787.15 |   155.74 |   3213.65 |  95.772
1dice61SN    1500      0.02289 |    29158 |     665 (0.02315) |   28059 |     434 |    8182.71 |    8736.29 |    15.38 |   -553.58 | 106.765
1dice5wwE    1000      0.01526 |   185754 |    2826 (0.01528) |  182174 |     754 |   57605.83 |   53323.77 |    31.31 |   4282.06 |  92.567
1dice4J1m     512      0.00781 |    43052 |     335 (0.00793) |   41900 |     817 |    8574.43 |    6992.52 |    10.41 |   1581.91 |  81.551
1dice3jkp     256      0.00391 |    29150 |     119 (0.00415) |   28579 |     452 |    6154.82 |    8717.38 |    13.38 |  -2562.55 | 141.635
1dice37Ee     128      0.00195 |    24173 |      44 (0.00186) |   23576 |     553 |    2479.82 |    1603.39 |    50.66 |    876.43 |  64.658
1dice2zdo      64      0.00098 |    33174 |      36 (0.00110) |   32549 |     589 |    2256.24 |    1750.74 |   117.25 |    505.49 |  77.596
1dice2xkj      32      0.00049 |    35518 |      17 (0.00049) |   35020 |     481 |    1771.40 |    1911.44 |     1.67 |   -140.04 | 107.906
1dice2WmR      16      0.00024 |    27334 |       5 (0.00019) |   26819 |     510 |     943.66 |     606.95 |    22.27 |    336.71 |  64.319
1dice2vQo       8      0.00012 |    27917 |       5 (0.00018) |   27343 |     569 |     659.47 |     434.15 |    15.06 |    225.31 |  65.834
1dice2pxm       4      0.00006 |    16153 |       2 (0.00013) |   15590 |     561 |     241.44 |     320.54 |    18.58 |    -79.09 | 132.758
1dice1Qf4       2      0.00003 |    14090 |       0 (0.00000) |   13477 |     613 |     198.81 |       0.58 |    31.25 |    198.23 |   0.295
1dice1e6p       1      0.00002 |   167332 |       4 (0.00002) |  164461 |    2867 |    2187.51 |    4485.50 |   196.93 |  -2297.98 | 205.050
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           small (bets < 4 BTC) |  5148830 | 2122440           | 3002551 |   23839 |  975781.75 |  957701.36 |   378.55 |  18080.38 |  98.147
            big (bets >= 4 BTC) |   139777 |   60272           |   79192 |     313 | 2984442.92 | 2922356.14 | 24877.57 |  62086.78 |  97.920
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                                |  5288607 | 2182712           | 3081743 |   24152 | 3960224.67 | 3880057.51 | 25256.13 |  80167.16 |  97.976
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SD Profit before fees:      80167.16356698 BTC (2.024%)
Cumulative Fees Paid:        4564.00557500 BTC
SD Profit after fees:       75603.15799198 BTC (1.909%)
Pending Liabilities:            0.00000000 BTC
Final SD Profit:            75603.15799198 BTC (1.909%)
Profit This Month:          -1447.29102136 BTC
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Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been:
Blockchain Tx: 17632749  :  SatoshiDice Tx:  9716710  (55.1%)
Blockchain MB:   7766.6  :  SatoshiDice MB:   4013.0  (51.7%)




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July 10, 2013, 10:17:29 PM
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Yes it was a horrible run since February. In USD SDICE lost -40%, dividends included! It's rightful to feel bad about that.

That's not correct. If we take Dooglus for example:

He invested BTC79.9924*$21.5 (median price that day) = $1719.84

And he cashed out BTC28.3309509*$75.41 = $2136.43

For a USD profit of 24%. In BTC terms it looks very bad of course, but the key when investing in anything is always to diversify. Even though he lost in BTC terms I wouldnt say it was a bad decision to put money in sdice.

I am keeping my SDICE shares and have put some money in just-dice as well. I think the competition will do SatoshiDice good.
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July 11, 2013, 07:14:14 AM
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Yes it was a horrible run since February. In USD SDICE lost -40%, dividends included! It's rightful to feel bad about that.

That's not correct. If we take Dooglus for example:


No, it is incorrect to say it is 'not correct' because of not taking the exchange rate into the equation.  Of course you are welcome to include that in your own assessment of yours or anybody else's investment but it is perfectly reasonable to make the assessment of an investment on the basis of the currency in which it was invested alone.  Would you think me 'not correct' in saying I'd made a good profit from stocks I bought in euros even if the profit was more than wiped out from a pound perspective by the exchange rate having changed?
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