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Author Topic: [ANN][CRW] CROWN (MN-PoS) | Platform | NFT framework | Governance | Masternodes  (Read 315725 times)
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March 26, 2017, 12:41:46 PM
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30th Birthday present  Smiley



DAMN! thats nice ...

like - really - nice ...

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March 26, 2017, 01:00:19 PM
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Welcome to the old man's club!
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March 26, 2017, 04:09:41 PM
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Welcome to the old man's club!

awww crap ...

if 30 is the 'old mans' club ... which damned club do i belong to? ...

the decrepit crypto senior coin 'pretending to be hip into crypto' club? ...

bugga! ...

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March 26, 2017, 04:31:58 PM
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March 26, 2017, 05:47:52 PM
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I do have to say, though, that all of this has finally pushed me to the point of rewriting NOMP to modern node.js versions and making it actually for solo-mining (neither of which are something it was intended for).

If you have to ask "why?", you wouldn`t understand my answer.
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March 26, 2017, 06:54:48 PM
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I do have to say, though, that all of this has finally pushed me to the point of rewriting NOMP to modern node.js versions and making it actually for solo-mining (neither of which are something it was intended for).

Looking forward to that Smiley both NOMP and UNOMP are in dire need of a modernized node.js version.
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March 26, 2017, 06:57:27 PM
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After some notifications from users in germany and another in malaysia, we've decided to bring online a few more DNS nodes as well as electrumx nodes. Currently online is quebec, singapore, bangalore, and frankfurt. Since most of our users haven't had any issues im trying to focus on some spots of the earth that may not be covered as greatly.
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I do have to say, though, that all of this has finally pushed me to the point of rewriting NOMP to modern node.js versions and making it actually for solo-mining (neither of which are something it was intended for).
Looking forward to that Smiley both NOMP and UNOMP are in dire need of a modernized node.js version.
Well, I've toyed with the idea since I got my 1st batch of S9s, but since NOMP "worked" (even though it's massively bloated for solo), I saw no need to "reinvent the wheel". Even though I haven't dug much into it (because a rewrite that involved was mostly academic), I'm sure that there are overhead benefits that can be had (especially since the rig that runs my "pool" is also a folding rig). That and when someone says, "that's not right", I know where to dig and exactly why x does y.

As an aside, for the next 8 blocks I believe I've set payeeReward to 9 (2.7*25 blocks + 4.5). While this will not pay previous nodes what they were "supposed to get", it should show that I had/have 0 malintent or intention of "unfairly" profiting.

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March 26, 2017, 09:45:35 PM
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hello friend sorry for my stupid question but where we can mine the crw i got a farm of s7 thank for your time Smiley
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March 26, 2017, 10:12:00 PM
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hello friend sorry for my stupid question but where we can mine the crw i got a farm of s7 thank for your time Smiley

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March 26, 2017, 10:36:13 PM
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...Your mistake was thinking that it was because of a mistake made by me or the team, In which it was not. And indeed it is a bug caused by NOMP.
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Errr..... ummmm.... NO!

...And if you didn't know i'm also a NOMP/UNOMP developer...
...if there is a CrownCoin "issue", it's a dev issue.  Wink
If you're a dev for NOMP and NOMP has a bug, then, yes, it was a mistake by you (not a mistake by me thinking it was a mistake by you). You don't get to claim being a dev for both NOMP and the coin, claim there's a bug in NOMP that makes it not work as you expected, and then say I'm wrong for saying it's a dev issue. Why? Because, logic!

I only have rights to commit on the UNOMP branch. Therefore I am only a developer for UNOMP not NOMP. It was a mistake by me thinking you were using UNOMP. The reward structure is unaltered by UNOMP unless changes are intentionally made to get around it currently. NOMP purposely alters the reward structure in an improper manner and will not create valid blocks once enforcement is enbabled. UNOMP will.

I was working to give miners FULL block rewards during version upgrades while enforcement is NOT enabled. NOMP will still reward the nodes 20% like you are currently. UNOMP not currently but in the future will give miners the full reward during times enforcement is not turned on. and will automatically start to pay nodes once it is turned on.

I would just like to state that I appreciate infernoman not resorting to namecalling and also admitting when he realized he was in error -- it is one of the characteristics that makes him good to work with.  

I would also like to point out that computergenie started this thread by accusing the coin of "robbing" miners, and clips the thread in his successive responses -- which doesn't facilitate discourse.

Computergenie has not made any incorrect statements -- but he even correctly identified identified that the key to a coin or crypto project is the community and Stonehedge agreed and invited him to join the discussion and community on Mattermost.  I haven't checked there, so I don't know if that has happened - but I believe that speaks to where the Crown team is coming from.  

And I know infernoman has been sleep deprived and deluged with inquiries -- so I also give him a pass for swinging at a deliberate insult online.

And I find that the smartest people are the ones who are able to recognize their mistakes, take responsibility and pivot.

Computergenie - you are correct that what makes a project is the community and that makes a good community isn't a bunch of weak people who need agreement -- but people who are ready to be challenged, test their ideas, adapt and respond.

This is what creates long-term survival and the ability to do this is why Crown will be a long-term alt-coin.  

The fact that mining hash is variable and so Crown has followed a strategy of being merge-mined and added DGW, and split the block reward between "trons/thones/nodes" and miners is because of the variability of the hash rate for small coins.  No one is being robbed -- that in itself is a strange sort of "entitlement" -- as though miners "own" the project.  In fact the power of the project is that no one owns it and your implicit belief that miners should own it is mal-adaptive to the crypto community -- if anyone owns any of these projects it will kill the project in the long run -- strange its ability to innovate.  I would argue that is part of what Bitcoin is struggling with -- this mal-adaptive belief you unwittingly expressed to start the thread.

To protect the long-term nature of the Crown project, the team had to rely on long-term participants -- which is where the nodes come in.

Anyway -- it's also worth going back to what mining originally was for Satoshi -- which was just a social hack to distribute coins to new users and build the community -- another point of failure is the emergence of ASICS and the concentration of mining which has choked off the building of the crypto community rather than acting as a vector of expansion.  So while mining still serves a purpose for security -- it does not provide community expansion (social hack) or any mechanism for long-term stability for new projects.

Anyway -- welcome to the community everyone.  Delighted to have discussion and be challenged, it means people are listening -- but dislike mean people, stupidity and the inability to consider ideas in a broader context.  Worth taking a look at the Dunning Kruger effect on this -- we all have to be aware of where are blind spots and biases are or fall prey to that one.

We can all make perfectly accurate statements and also be completely wrong from time to time.  I'm actually wrong most of the time -- I just try to be wrong in new and interesting ways each time.    Crown would love to have a long-term stable mining base -- but the technology and economics of mining don't seem to support this, and that's just the world we live in.  Anything can be ASIC'd... and once it is then mining is an arms race -- not a distribution vector to add new users.  So mining only serves one of its two original purposes -- security -- and so it doesn't EARN the whole reward.  This doesn't seem to be a conclusion unique to Crown, but rather the way the crypto community is evolving in response to survival pressures.

Hope that makes some sense.  If I'm wrong in any of this, please let me know.

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March 26, 2017, 10:46:40 PM
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hello friend sorry for my stupid question but where we can mine the crw i got a farm of s7 thank for your time Smiley

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zpool merge mines it.. and you can set your payout to be in crw if you want. i think. you can ask him on his page.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1751272.0

you would make more here..
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March 26, 2017, 11:10:58 PM
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hello friend sorry for my stupid question but where we can mine the crw i got a farm of s7 thank for your time Smiley

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zpool merge mines it.. and you can set your payout to be in crw if you want. i think. you can ask him on his page.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1751272.0

you would make more here..

Thanks, i will add them to OP asap
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March 26, 2017, 11:21:35 PM
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thanks you guys !!!!!!!
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March 26, 2017, 11:24:08 PM
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Slightly non-topical, but worth considering:
All the plays in Shakespeare's First Folio were there because Shakespeare never owned them... the Kings Men did and so there was an incentive to try to figure out how to profit from the plays after Shakespeare's death.... as long as the Kings Men were still kicking around... and so you created a book for subscriptions which was composed of plays, something not done before.  

Plays were published in quartet form I believe... paperback book equivalent that wouldn't last... so many plays from the time are lost... but not those in the First Folio... not the plays by Shakespeare which Shakespeare didn't own...

So when I link the ideas of Distributed Ownership -- or really the absence of ownership beyond the holding of individual tokens -- in a crypto project, the social basis for this is to create incentives which are not anchored to any one person or group....  and this is an evolutionary process -- so you start with proven models POW, POS, and mix them and evolve from there.

But what may be useful to consider is the end goal, which may or may not ever be reached -- which is a distributed cacophony of interests balanced in a community development and discussion process.  Not utopian -- messy and confusing -- but not reliant an any one group either.  

This is laid out in the papers that no one reads...Wink... or at least which are poorly written enough that few seem to get it.

Anyway, interesting to think about past models which have worked and survived and few enough seem to be aware of the role of ownership structures in creating the Shakespearean canon...  

It is useful to step back and remember that in changing methods of exchange and transaction costs, we aren't talking about peevish little projects or goals -- but literally will be monkeying with and are monkeying with the fabric of societies.  

Crown's modest initial goal is to pry open access to applications and the cloud a little bit.  Then we will go from there.  In a sense the project flips ETH on it's head -- instead of centralizing compute on the blockchain, the goal is to let the blockchain open the door to distributed compute resources.

So instead of Shakespeare's plays being owned by the King's Men -- the idea is to publish an evolving folio of applications, with distributed access and distributed right and heterogeneous implementations.  It will be new and messy and fun... just like life -- or a trip to the theater in Elizabethan times.    
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March 26, 2017, 11:35:14 PM
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I find much of what you said thoughtful and insightful. I am looking for a good, solid altcoin to invest my time/$ into, so as for my issue with the "robbed" claim I made, it goes against all the I believe in for any coin that claims to be a decentralized coin to do certain things. Among those things is to remove any, and all, choice from the community about who pays what to whom and for anyone to take x% off the top of a block reward of a solo miner. I have not, as of yet, decided how much time, labor, and/or $ I will invest in CrownCoin; however, even if I go all-in, I will not waiver from those 2 core beliefs.

From my perspective taking a mandatory 50% off the top is a kin to being a reverse Robin Hood (taking from the poor and giving it to the rich); even the Church only demands 10% (  Tongue ).

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March 27, 2017, 12:18:04 AM
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I find much of what you said thoughtful and insightful. I am looking for a good, solid altcoin to invest my time/$ into, so as for my issue with the "robbed" claim I made, it goes against all the I believe in for any coin that claims to be a decentralized coin to do certain things. Among those things is to remove any, and all, choice from the community about who pays what to whom and for anyone to take x% off the top of a block reward of a solo miner. I have not, as of yet, decided how much time, labor, and/or $ I will invest in CrownCoin; however, even if I go all-in, I will not waiver from those 2 core beliefs.

From my perspective taking a mandatory 50% off the top is a kin to being a reverse Robin Hood (taking from the poor and giving it to the rich); even the Church only demands 10% (  Tongue ).

sounds perfectly fair to me, and appreciate your directness. 

we won't ever all agree -- that would be boring -- but we need to be able to share perspectives and listen and try to learn from each other.

thx.
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March 27, 2017, 05:04:18 AM
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hello friend sorry for my stupid question but where we can mine the crw i got a farm of s7 thank for your time Smiley

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http://pool.chainworksindustries.com/crw/ ...

lodiff and hidiff ports ...

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March 27, 2017, 06:17:29 AM
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hello friend sorry for my stupid question but where we can mine the crw i got a farm of s7 thank for your time Smiley

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Also infernopool.com

and ...

http://pool.chainworksindustries.com/crw/ ...

lodiff and hidiff ports ...

Smiley ...

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March 27, 2017, 06:27:35 AM
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After some notifications from users in germany and another in malaysia, we've decided to bring online a few more DNS nodes as well as electrumx nodes. Currently online is quebec, singapore, bangalore, and frankfurt. Since most of our users haven't had any issues im trying to focus on some spots of the earth that may not be covered as greatly.

It is an honour to tell you that the servers now are doing great here in the south east of asia...
After 2 days not syncing my wallet, it took only few minutes to complete the sync...better and greater than before...
Great work and so much thanks to all...Cheers...
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