GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[alienesb]

Hard to tell if it's him without the vest.

better? 

Needs disclaimer inside the image itself indicating the vest is 'shopped, lest the acolytes fall for the inevitable "those guys on BCT are making up 'evidence'".

Trolls and FUDsters hacked the image and put a vest on Josh!

[TracerX]

Evidence:
facebook.com/josg21

LOL

*edit.. he deleted his facebook
His facebook username was josg21

He is removing all evidence.

I found an old myspace page with the name Garza and a dude beside a sports car.
https://myspace.com/josg21

"South Newfane, VT"

Oh you guys.

That's him with a yellow Corvette: https://a3-images.myspacecdn.com/images03/23/aec80cea3ecf4547bba51d1d0cc2901a/300x300.jpg

yeah it got figured out a few pages back 

I was a few pages back when I posted--curse my need to be gainfully employed!

[Paul Revere]

Needs disclaimer inside the image itself indicating the vest is 'shopped, lest the acolytes fall for the inevitable "those guys on BCT are making up 'evidence'".

That's not really evidence of anything, so I don't think a disclaimer is necessary.

Something strange that I notice is that it appears that the original image posted by Josh on that Myspace page may actually be Photoshopped. Check out the black outline around himself. Is that just an artifact from shrinking or something, or is the original itself PS'D?

[puwaha]

I was a few pages back when I posted--curse my need to be gainfully employed!

I'm digging your vest, TracerX!

[alienesb]

Needs disclaimer inside the image itself indicating the vest is 'shopped, lest the acolytes fall for the inevitable "those guys on BCT are making up 'evidence'".

That's not really evidence of anything, so I don't think a disclaimer is necessary.

Something strange that I notice is that it appears that the original image posted by Josh on that Myspace page may actually be Photoshopped. Check out the black outline around himself. Is that just an artifact from shrinking or something, or is the original itself PS'D?

Nah, looks like an early cell phone camera shot with a low megapixel cmos sensor.

[puwaha]

Needs disclaimer inside the image itself indicating the vest is 'shopped, lest the acolytes fall for the inevitable "those guys on BCT are making up 'evidence'".

That's not really evidence of anything, so I don't think a disclaimer is necessary.

Something strange that I notice is that it appears that the original image posted by Josh on that Myspace page may actually be Photoshopped. Check out the black outline around himself. Is that just an artifact from shrinking or something, or is the original itself PS'D?

The ringing is probably from shrinking and the high-contrast background to him.  The shadows look fine.

[Paul Revere]

Needs disclaimer inside the image itself indicating the vest is 'shopped, lest the acolytes fall for the inevitable "those guys on BCT are making up 'evidence'".

That's not really evidence of anything, so I don't think a disclaimer is necessary.

Something strange that I notice is that it appears that the original image posted by Josh on that Myspace page may actually be Photoshopped. Check out the black outline around himself. Is that just an artifact from shrinking or something, or is the original itself PS'D?

Nah, looks like an early cell phone camera shot with a low megapixel cmos sensor.

I am not an expert on this, but the image shows a blocky outline around joshes image when abstracted on the photo forensics site:



http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=d48eeae7529646da4f19774cfc7c9ef128589853.44273

The blocky outline says PS job to me. Not that it means anything other than maybe he was posting a PS car bragger pic back when he made the Myspace page.

[TracerX]

I was a few pages back when I posted--curse my need to be gainfully employed!

I'm digging your vest, TracerX!

Thanks man, it was a gift from a friend.  I still have it around here somewhere....

[suchmoon]

I am not an expert on this, but the image shows a blocky outline when abstracted on the photo forensics site:

http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=d48eeae7529646da4f19774cfc7c9ef128589853.44273

The blocky outline says PS job to me.

Not that I know anything about PS, but you seem to be analyzing the modified image (adjusted brightness). How about the original dark one?

[bumpershot]

I'm pretty sure that post explaining how he's planning to sell vaporware and only use a portion of revenue to develop the non-existent product people are buying is enough to show intent, at least to the degree that would get him past a grand jury. Then you get the ability to subpoena, which should show a lot more about what they had vs what he claimed they had to sell at any given time.

That post shows intent. That's huge. Fraud requires an intent to defraud. Before now, there had been no evidence of anything criminal because there was no intent. It could just be incompetence. Now we know it was planned from the start, from the sale of the first hashlet.

Supporters can try to couch it in the excuse that he's describing a different operation, but, considering that what he describes is EXACTLY what GAW did, I doubt many would fall for that outside the clique of true believers.

Who has jurisdiction? I'm thinking wire fraud comes into play, so it could be a federal case.

[Paul Revere]

Hmmm, somewhere I had the original image, all I can find though is the tiny one on the Myspace page. This is a non-important tangent anyways.

Carry on gentlemen.

[Mr Felt]

This thread is awesome - notice the blatant refusal to engage the issue grow as it becomes more apparent there is a maybe a problem: https://hashtalk.org/topic/28148/another-company-has-paybase-as-their-registered-trademark/21

[bumpershot]

People who lost money in this should be pissed.

Sometimes things don't go as planned. Sometimes there's miscommunication between the developers and management, especially if they use overseas contractors. Sometimes issue arise, and you don't have what you thought you did.

I really thought that was what happened here until you supersluthes found the post(s) where he outlines his business plan. It was always supposed to be like this.

I was lucky enough to get my money back when XPY was inflated. People with losses should absolutely sue.

[TracerX]

Hmmm, somewhere I had the original image, all I can find though is the tiny one on the Myspace page. This is a non-important tangent anyways.

Carry on gentlemen.

Right-click, "open image in new tab."

[sorryforthat]

I'm pretty sure that post explaining how he's planning to sell vaporware and only use a portion of revenue to develop the non-existent product people are buying is enough to show intent, at least to the degree that would get him past a grand jury. Then you get the ability to subpoena, which should show a lot more about what they had vs what he claimed they had to sell at any given time.

That post shows intent. That's huge. Fraud requires an intent to defraud. Before now, there had been no evidence of anything criminal because there was no intent. It could just be incompetence. Now we know it was planned from the start, from the sale of the first hashlet.

Supporters can try to couch it in the excuse that he's describing a different operation, but, considering that what he describes is EXACTLY what GAW did, I doubt many would fall for that outside the clique of true believers.

Who has jurisdiction? I'm thinking wire fraud comes into play, so it could be a federal case.

Someone who has the most evidance all in one spot can start here

Computer Based Fruad.

Internet Crime Complaint Center

http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/default.aspx

They handle Investment Fraud and Ponzi

"The IC3 is co-sponsored by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C). Complaints filed via this website are processed and may be referred to federal, state, local or international law enforcement or regulatory agencies for possible investigation."

[bananafana]

I'm pretty sure that post explaining how he's planning to sell vaporware and only use a portion of revenue to develop the non-existent product people are buying is enough to show intent, at least to the degree that would get him past a grand jury. Then you get the ability to subpoena, which should show a lot more about what they had vs what he claimed they had to sell at any given time.

That post shows intent. That's huge. Fraud requires an intent to defraud. Before now, there had been no evidence of anything criminal because there was no intent. It could just be incompetence. Now we know it was planned from the start, from the sale of the first hashlet.

Supporters can try to couch it in the excuse that he's describing a different operation, but, considering that what he describes is EXACTLY what GAW did, I doubt many would fall for that outside the clique of true believers.

Who has jurisdiction? I'm thinking wire fraud comes into play, so it could be a federal case.

Do you mean the post that said (via https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg10059082#msg10059082)

4th February 2014, 05:13 PM
I knew they would eventually decide it's better to use our money to build their own data center for them to mine themselves. I kept thinking to myself, why would the same company that makes miners that make more money then selling them, sell them? Why not just milk the miners? 1. Sell the first product to customers, even thought it would be more profitable to mine. This will create a loyal following and set the stage for act two. 2. Now that you have a loyal customer base, use them to fund your next product. But also use them to fund your own data center so you can do your own hashing. 3. Develop the product your customers paid for and but them in said data center and start hashing and keep the mine. Right at the point customers are on edge to "loose loyalty" the product will be magically be done. And volla, it will already be in a data center. Then offer data center to customer for free to win loyalty back. Businesses are in business to do one thing. Make money. Don't believe me? Look at what just happened with the jupiters they promised to sell. You don't think there was a guy who did a spreadsheet over a few times, then came running in the CEOs office saying "look look, if we just keep the jupiters instead of selling them, we will make more!" ? The funny part up is, they are actually using the hosting center they built with our cash as a way to make us feel better. Genius

He's speculating about what another company might have done. He evidently thinks it's brilliant, but he doesn't say it's what he plans to do himself. And even if it were, he's talking about using the miners to mine until the customers are about to jump ship, then (eventually) giving them what they paid for. Extremely sleazy, but what's illegal about it?

It's definitely a significant insight into how he thinks about business and how he views his customers, though.

[Paul Revere]

People who lost money in this should be pissed.

Sometimes things don't go as planned. Sometimes there's miscommunication between the developers and management, especially if they use overseas contractors. Sometimes issue arise, and you don't have what you thought you did.

I really thought that was what happened here until you supersluthes found the post(s) where he outlines his business plan. It was always supposed to be like this.

I was lucky enough to get my money back when XPY was inflated. People with losses should absolutely sue.

I agree. The really odd part of all of this (Well, ONE really odd part anyways   ) is that most of the people who are digging up the truth of what is going on are not the ones who are getting ripped off. Some people posting here were in and got out whole or maybe a little better. It seems that those who bet the farm (and their childrens futures) are still stuck in the Cult Compound and are just afraid to admit that they have been had and get the Eff out of there and start doing something about it. I think that a tipping point is coming where there will be a mass revolt, but then again I thought the point at which that would happen was a week or more ago, so who knows when it will happen. Might be as long as another monthly bill cycle and people find themselves short and snap out of it.

In other news: I just went and bought myself an S5! Woo Hoo! Was listed on Ebay for $500 w/shipping and I offered $460, not thinking he would actually go for it. To buy one from Bitmain looks to be ~$450 w/shipping and a month to get it, so I think $460 is a good price.

[jbreher]

Needs disclaimer inside the image itself indicating the vest is 'shopped, lest the acolytes fall for the inevitable "those guys on BCT are making up 'evidence'".

That's not really evidence of anything, so I don't think a disclaimer is necessary.

Yeah, but those delusional will cling to any excuse.

Actually, Josh's silhouette edges look funny already -- like the base image might be 'shopped. Why someone would want to shop themselves into a photo with a Vette is a mystery, but...

[knowhow]

i cant make 2fa im from brazil i sende message to support on authy as i sended to zenminer support......both says the same think i hade made it over and over and not working at all,im asking if anyone has a phone that i can use just to confirm the 2fa to be able to cashout from zenminer i wanna leave im tired from support from both companys.... i hope someone can help me thanks

[corygto]

So far, these are proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Can somebody archive the post form jmordica on here referencing josh on josg21? That would be very good. Idk how to look up members =/
https://archive.today/eRMVF

https://archive.today/gYSp9

https://archive.today/uFXmN

https://archive.today/ONfEk =



EDIT: Jmordica and Garza talking https://archive.today/YhU46

Can somebody post all of this proof in this thread?

https://hashtalk.org/topic/28153/hey-guys-my-curiosity-got-the-best-of-me-open-discussion/63?page=4