GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[truckinusa]

I think the most probable answer is that whoever controls Zencloud is dumping stake. There's a big difference between the stake rate of hashstakers and the stake rate of a prime controller. Those transfers out could easily be stake going to a set of wallets, then either being withdrawn by hashstaker owners or dumped on an exchange. It's a mix, which is why it looks like a jumble.

That's also why the numbers wouldn't add up. Only some of the transfers are to ordinary users. Whoever controls the Zencloud wallet ('mk', I guess, though I haven't checked the sig) could easily be both dumping and filling user accounts. There's enough stake for both.

I said this on the hangout.  They need to close Zencloud.  It serves absolutely no purpose except whoever is receiving the $37,000 a month it costs to run it.(That was the cost told to me on the hangout)  Before or after it is closed we need to see all the in and out addresses of bitcoin so we can total up how much has been stolen.  It should be very easy for @Paul Revere to figure out how much Garza has by those addresses.

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[miaviator]

I think the most probable answer is that whoever controls Zencloud is dumping stake. There's a big difference between the stake rate of hashstakers and the stake rate of a prime controller. Those transfers out could easily be stake going to a set of wallets, then either being withdrawn by hashstaker owners or dumped on an exchange. It's a mix, which is why it looks like a jumble.

That's also why the numbers wouldn't add up. Only some of the transfers are to ordinary users. Whoever controls the Zencloud wallet ('mk', I guess, though I haven't checked the sig) could easily be both dumping and filling user accounts. There's enough stake for both.

Zencloud doesn't stake though.  That's prime controllers.  Unless you are talking the 5% wallet stake?

[miaviator]

I think the most probable answer is that whoever controls Zencloud is dumping stake. There's a big difference between the stake rate of hashstakers and the stake rate of a prime controller. Those transfers out could easily be stake going to a set of wallets, then either being withdrawn by hashstaker owners or dumped on an exchange. It's a mix, which is why it looks like a jumble.

That's also why the numbers wouldn't add up. Only some of the transfers are to ordinary users. Whoever controls the Zencloud wallet ('mk', I guess, though I haven't checked the sig) could easily be both dumping and filling user accounts. There's enough stake for both.

I said this on the hangout.  They need to close Zencloud.  It serves absolutely no purpose except whoever is receiving the $37,000 a month it costs to run it.(That was the cost told to me on the hangout)  Before or after it is closed we need to see all the in and out addresses of bitcoin so we can total up how much has been stolen.  It should be very easy for @Paul Revere to figure out how much Garza has by those addresses.

No one is receiving $37K a month to run it.  Just like mississippi isn't getting their $350K.  This is the payment address which was posted elsewhere for the monthly contract fee: BTC: 19krd1w3S66r3abj8ZgLWC5NsK5LSVPPvr

[miaviator]

So, MrCEO hasn't posted on hashtalk for nearly 4 days straight. This seems suspiciously quiet for him. Where is he? Any ideas? Could he finally have done a runner?

DoraTheExplorer seems to have put together the best list of conjectures:
https://hashtalk.ch/topic/37735/community-website-for-paycoin-information/30
http://puu.sh/hRQsD/5a5a6b11cf.png

I wonder if Homero thought this 'strategy' through like he did with the $20 floor...

</tinfoilhat>

What does that have to do with Paycoin being a complete fraud ?

Josh is bored on a Sunday morning in Dubai. Maybe he should convert to Muslim and go pray at the space rock in Mecca.

Joke's on him then. While they don't have an extradition treaty with the USA, they are big on capital punishment, and once Dubai catches up with how much of a criminal he is... well... he might want to start looking for another host country if he values his life, is what I'm trying to say.

It is the strongest theory right now.  I doubt that the Dubai courts and central prison release information on these cases so not sure how to find out if there is one?

Dubai Courts: http://www.dubaicourts.gov.ae/pls/portal/url/page/dc/contactus (The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.)
Dubai Central Prison
American Embassy in Dubai

Maybe call them all and ask?

[Fargo]

@ Miaviator: I am not making anything up. You do defend Josh's claims of having lost control of assets and the whole scam in general, even though there is no proof of this. You do so every time I bring up the fact that there is no proof of this happening at all. The only thing there is to go on is the claims of Josh or one of his handpicked accomplices, who are now supposedly his arch enemies. This story is WAY too convenient, and was suggested as being a viable exit strategy many months ago.

Correct.   

The only addition I would make is that HJG didn't have the assets (PC's and XPY) to lose control of.

Josh never had XPY to lose control of? I see pauls point now of you defending HJG

ROFL.   

So saying that HJG basically stole XPY, prime controllers, zencloud and paybase.  Was called out on it.  Was told to go to court or settle out of court.   Is somehow defending him?

Can I defend you as well?  You are a cat thief and you stole my cat.   Look how well I defended you there

I agree completely with your message under this context of "defend."  thanks for clarifying. 

So josh never had XPY?

[miaviator]

So josh never had XPY?

Was that whole side of the story handled using the law vs public forums and cult members and not very well known?

[Paul Revere]

So josh never had XPY?

Was that whole side of the story handled using the law vs public forums and cult members and not very well known?

Never mind that there are Emails where Josh instructs Joe Mordica to move large amounts of XPY to exchanges. Also disregard the fact that when those movements occurred that they were not simply moved over in one chunk, they were moved there using the exact same shuffle to obfuscate their origin that is still going on right now. Also disregard the fact that Josh claimed those coins were part of Zencloud payouts back then, and now the "not Josh" crooks supposedly now running Zencloud are saying exactly the same thing.

[suchmoon]

No one is receiving $37K a month to run it.  Just like mississippi isn't getting their $350K.  This is the payment address which was posted elsewhere for the monthly contract fee: BTC: 19krd1w3S66r3abj8ZgLWC5NsK5LSVPPvr

So that 160 BTC is what then?

Edit - this: https://blockchain.info/tx/c1ff6e6a9076a1424b6f272beb1b6f84d16b48bc9c34f51e3aadcb64ba83ed37

[miaviator]

So josh never had XPY?

Was that whole side of the story handled using the law vs public forums and cult members and not very well known?

Never mind that there are Emails where Josh instructs Joe Mordica to move large amounts of XPY to exchanges. Also disregard the fact that when those movements occurred that they were not simply moved over in one chunk, they were moved there using the exact same shuffle to obfuscate their origin that is still going on right now. Also disregard the fact that Josh claimed those coins were part of Zencloud payouts back then, and now the "not Josh" crooks supposedly now running Zencloud are saying exactly the same thing.

Why would you disregard any of that?

[miaviator]

No one is receiving $37K a month to run it.  Just like mississippi isn't getting their $350K.  This is the payment address which was posted elsewhere for the monthly contract fee: BTC: 19krd1w3S66r3abj8ZgLWC5NsK5LSVPPvr

So that 160 BTC is what then?

Edit - this: https://blockchain.info/tx/c1ff6e6a9076a1424b6f272beb1b6f84d16b48bc9c34f51e3aadcb64ba83ed37

* miaviator should check addresses before posting them?

[Paul Revere]

So josh never had XPY?

Was that whole side of the story handled using the law vs public forums and cult members and not very well known?

Never mind that there are Emails where Josh instructs Joe Mordica to move large amounts of XPY to exchanges. Also disregard the fact that when those movements occurred that they were not simply moved over in one chunk, they were moved there using the exact same shuffle to obfuscate their origin that is still going on right now. Also disregard the fact that Josh claimed those coins were part of Zencloud payouts back then, and now the "not Josh" crooks supposedly now running Zencloud are saying exactly the same thing.

Why would you disregard any of that?

I would not and have not. You have.

[miaviator]

So josh never had XPY?

Was that whole side of the story handled using the law vs public forums and cult members and not very well known?

Never mind that there are Emails where Josh instructs Joe Mordica to move large amounts of XPY to exchanges. Also disregard the fact that when those movements occurred that they were not simply moved over in one chunk, they were moved there using the exact same shuffle to obfuscate their origin that is still going on right now. Also disregard the fact that Josh claimed those coins were part of Zencloud payouts back then, and now the "not Josh" crooks supposedly now running Zencloud are saying exactly the same thing.

Why would you disregard any of that?

I would not and have not. You have.

When?

[miaviator]

What does that have to do with Paycoin being a complete fraud ?

Josh is bored on a Sunday morning in Dubai. Maybe he should convert to Muslim and go pray at the space rock in Mecca.

Joke's on him then. While they don't have an extradition treaty with the USA, they are big on capital punishment, and once Dubai catches up with how much of a criminal he is... well... he might want to start looking for another host country if he values his life, is what I'm trying to say.

Dubai Courts: http://www.dubaicourts.gov.ae/pls/portal/url/page/dc/contactus (The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.)
Dubai Central Prison: http://www.dubaipolice.gov.ae/c1n4/
American Embassy in Dubai: http://dubai.usconsulate.gov/

[suchmoon]

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It's working for me just fine:


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* miaviator should check addresses before posting them?

You mean you accidentally gave the wrong address with a coincidentally similar amount transacted, or Josh paid up and you didn't know?

[miaviator]

Dubai Courts: http://www.dubaicourts.gov.ae/pls/portal/url/page/dc/contactus (The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.)

It's working for me just fine:

* miaviator should check addresses before posting them?

You mean you accidentally gave the wrong address with a coincidentally similar amount transacted, or Josh paid up and you didn't know?

Public Flogging!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I mean I stated there was no payment to the address based on previous assumptions without fact checking like a D-Bag.  I'm asking for clarification on what the payment was.

[MrCEO]

WTF is this garbage and is there no beliebers left on HT now that their GAWD is absent?













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I.. I think ive been overtaken by a surprior troll. i muts wetire.

[Paul Revere]

So josh never had XPY?

Was that whole side of the story handled using the law vs public forums and cult members and not very well known?

Never mind that there are Emails where Josh instructs Joe Mordica to move large amounts of XPY to exchanges. Also disregard the fact that when those movements occurred that they were not simply moved over in one chunk, they were moved there using the exact same shuffle to obfuscate their origin that is still going on right now. Also disregard the fact that Josh claimed those coins were part of Zencloud payouts back then, and now the "not Josh" crooks supposedly now running Zencloud are saying exactly the same thing.

Why would you disregard any of that?

I would not and have not. You have.

When?

Oh, for fuck's sake, stop being a motherfucking Josh. You were saying last night that the massive amounts of XPY being taken from the #1 address , shuffled and sent to exchanges were Zencloud payments and withdrawals. Well, why is it that damned near all of these coins end up being dumped from one or two accounts, and not dribbling out from hundreds of them? Why is it that this exact same shuffle and send to exchanges method was done when we know for sure large amounts of XPY were being moved so Josh could dump them, and now the exact same thing is still happening and your theory is that it is not the same thing being done by either him or the "Not Josh" crooks?  I keep saying nothing has changed because according to what you can see on the Blockchain NOTHING has changed.

[miaviator]

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I don't know if they service in english.  Anyone speak arabic want to call and ask about visiting Homero?

[suchmoon]

Oh, for fuck's sake, stop being a motherfucking Josh. You were saying last night that the massive amounts of XPY being taken from the #1 address , shuffled and sent to exchanges were Zencloud payments and withdrawals. Well, why is it that damned near all of these coins end up being dumped from one or two accounts, and not dribbling out from hundreds of them? Why is it that this exact same shuffle and send to exchanges method was done when we know for sure large amounts of XPY were being moved so Josh could dump them, and now the exact same thing is still happening and your theory is that it is not the same thing being done by either him or the "Not Josh" crooks?  I keep saying nothing has changed because according to what you can see on the Blockchain NOTHING has changed.

When you say "one or two accounts", do you mean Cryptsy accounts? How did you figure that out?

[miaviator]

That's an unexpected point of view from SpyDaz:
https://archive.is/dgQAm

@DoraTheExplorer I am confused what information you may be looking for @mrceo is Josh Garza to the best of anyone's knowledge he is also known as minerorigen on talk.paycoin.com

As far as verifiable information goes you must define who you would like to define it because there are two sides to most of the information regarding paycoin

Facts
coin launched in Late November 2014

paybase launched in December as a beta lacking many of the features expected

For a VERY short time the coin reached its $20 target price *short being minutes not hours or days

Paybase gift caoperations launched during the north american bitcoin conference and was only available again for several hours before it was shut down

Paybase withdrawals were halted several times before it was announced that it would be closed

Zencloud cloud mining was shut down shortly before bitcoin reached 250 USD and has not resumed mining and is currently pending shutdown

Coinstand Alpha was an amazon integration that allowed users to buy good from amazon using XPY it was a very limited invite launch. Currently 2 additional revisions of coinstand have been proposed one of which has been canceled the other of which is pending

Mineral.com was launched as a sudo replacement for paybase.com using the same exchange back end as coinswap and paybase it was also supposed to have a credit/debit card integration mineral has since announced it will be ceasing operations this week and has advised all users to remove their holdings

The code base for paycoin was transferred to the paycoin foundation fir further development as of now this additional development has included reduction in The prime controller stake rate, fixing an error in the local qt wallet and some other administrative fixes the foundation also holds some number of prime controllers

"Core Dev" is a term used to decribe the individuals who created the paycoin code most notably refferd to being Matt... In posession of some number of prime controllers

FastXPY was a service owned by Phil Vidal and was used to convert btc to xpy quickly Phil was also the creator of mineral.com although ownership of the domain among other things is contested. Phil is in control of so.e number of controllers

I am sure there are other facts but this is a start how all of these things happened and why have many differnt viewpoints and opinions but they are the status of things to the best of my knowledge