GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[wdl1908]

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/12/01/bitbeat-under-fire-gaw-miners-ceo-garza-takes-on-his-critics/tab/comments/

[NeonTranceBadger]

Pictures of hardware would help, but people can and will argue about it.

Forget the datacenter. the point is the blockchain. Show us on the blockchain. Show the freshly mined coin being created and going to a customer. You are giving them mine to mine coins for you, they should be able to show us the coin.

I asked Josh that personally about 2 months ago and his response was that if I need this proof then he doesn't want me to invest. What business in their right freaking minds would deny themselves money when all they have to do is show us that they do what they say they do. I would love to see what blocks they found in the past 3 months but that will NEVER happen.

This is getting old and ridiculous.  I want you to ask Apple to show you pictures of their *internal/private* data centers... see how far that goes.

Apple would tell you to go jump off a bridge.  You don't have the right to obtain that information.  How is this any different with GAW?

umm apple have a proven record. apple dont sell you mining or things that require proof of data centres. apple max hardware like iphones which are put together i believe at foxconn. and yes people have visited and scrutinised these factorys with labour conditions. o the final thing is i have an iphone in my hand. thats called a delivered product unless its actually in my imagination. see gaw have given nothing apple have shown their business.

The funny thing is there are pictures and videos of Apple data centers.  There are a lot of tech companies that have released pictures of their data centers and look at Amazon which has being releasing pictures of their warehouses and how they work.  Apple has also released videos of their R&D department so clanbakes argument is invalid.

[jimmothy]

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/12/01/bitbeat-under-fire-gaw-miners-ceo-garza-takes-on-his-critics/tab/comments/

In investigating these claims, BitBeat viewed a bitcoin address at Blockchain.info that was cryptographically proven to belong to GAW and in which almost 28,000 bitcoins — currently worth more than $10 million – have flowed from mining operations over the past two months. We were told this was just one of a number GAW mining addresses. We also obtained a copy of the lease contract to a 150,000-square foot warehouse in Park Purvis, Miss., where GAW’s mining operation occurs, and saw photos of a new operation under constructions with hundreds of rigs stacked on shelves, high-tension wires and heavy electrical infrastructure.

Apparently proof of mining is coming from a respected third party.

https://hashtalk.org/topic/20006/media-validation-of-gaw-mining

Please please please don't be someone unfamiliar with crypto.

"We visited GAW's mining facilities and can confirm once and for all that they have a lot of machines" - wsj blogger

Did I call it or what?

Fun fact: it would have required 35 PH/s to mine 28k bitcoins in the past 2 months. (and apparently that's just one of the many mining addresses owned by GAW)

[knowhow]

With my phone android keep the service looks got some error  at sms as a call amazing.. soo this means i got my investment frozen because 2 factor authentication, soo josh own this service is that im already pissed.

About those new coin i got some units to see what is to coming but ,hyip allows 150% and last some months till run with the money soo where the hell do you guys think you will 400% here?  i bet the price will drop soo fast that i wont be able to close my eyes and see it again without cry and laugh at same time thinking fuck you are soo idiot you mined for 2 months this promise and just get 100 santoshi   .

I mined those hashpoints but i stopped after i see soo many promises to be to reach to become.... i changed to zenpool since rates not soo bad at all,why should i loose more money then im loosing already time to ROI is over 600 days soo i suppose those will take some time.

[NeonTranceBadger]

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/12/01/bitbeat-under-fire-gaw-miners-ceo-garza-takes-on-his-critics/tab/comments/

In investigating these claims, BitBeat viewed a bitcoin address at Blockchain.info that was cryptographically proven to belong to GAW and in which almost 28,000 bitcoins — currently worth more than $10 million – have flowed from mining operations over the past two months. We were told this was just one of a number GAW mining addresses. We also obtained a copy of the lease contract to a 150,000-square foot warehouse in Park Purvis, Miss., where GAW’s mining operation occurs, and saw photos of a new operation under constructions with hundreds of rigs stacked on shelves, high-tension wires and heavy electrical infrastructure.

Apparently proof of mining is coming from a respected third party.

https://hashtalk.org/topic/20006/media-validation-of-gaw-mining

Please please please don't be someone unfamiliar with crypto.

"We visited GAW's mining facilities and can confirm once and for all that they have a lot of machines" - wsj blogger

Did I call it or what?

I want to see those addresses and picture evidence of those facilities since we already know that the wsj blog can be paid off.  

[bitcoinnoisseur]

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/12/01/bitbeat-under-fire-gaw-miners-ceo-garza-takes-on-his-critics/tab/comments/

As for those who complain of losing  money, Mr. Garza cites the inherent risks in mining, where profitability is influenced by the price of bitcoin, which fell sharply from over $600 at the start of the summer to just above $300 in October. The critical comments, he said, mostly come from people who were not as adept at GAW’s “skill-based” trading model.

So now you have to have trading skills so you don't lose money. I must have missed that part of the hashlets advertising.

[maildir]

Wow lol at all of that, just before they were all whining that the author was not technically adept enough to have been allowed to write the first article "got highly sophisticated things wrong" they all said. So now inept guy is the highly respected third-party who will inspect our mining center and confirm our transaction.

Did they tell the silly blogger that is our address "trust us". Is he even capable of discerning such a technical aspect of the address without being prompted? Ridiculous.

And for the being built warehouse and the pending order, it is yet to materialize according to this little article. Some one pointed out before that GAW is re-circulation through multiple addresses single instances of transaction to make it appear that 100 transactions have occurred when only one has -- split a single transaction to multiple addresses and recoup it at the end. Something like that, perhaps they will chime in.

So bottom line:

- non tech blogger who stuffed up original article now deemed highly respect technical expert to verify it all

- warehouse in the works being put together coupled with still ambiguous statement from Bitmain, continues to reaffirm they do not have miners today, yesterday, and all the days before that. Maybe in the near future?

Simply cannot get a straight forward clean answer out of this Josh Garza and Gaw. Anything and every thing he touches turns to shit. Such a simple request is muddled even worse than before.

[zerocoder]

There is one thing in that article Garza says,

“Why would a guy that already has a ton of money, and would get thrown in jail if he was involved in anything sketchy, be involved in a scam?”

I think that's right, why?

[maildir]

He's not involved, he is his son's father  who is.

[zerocoder]

He's not involved, he is his son's father   who is.

I insure you there is no place to hide and escape for that guy, we are talking about 200k+ customers if that turns into a scam it would be the biggest one in the history or at least be a very big and prominent one

[maildir]

No questions answered today, even more riddles presented. Nothing, nothing that comes out of Gaw Miner's and Josh Garza makes sense. Everything is half-baked wishy washy sleight of hand, mumbling fidgeting, abstract gobbledygook plain unadulterated shit.

Always a sliver of something a crumb. Nothing he ever says or does pans out as a whole, its always just "a piece", a scrap.

Third party highly respected individual will review our mining operations

 Flunky blogger that they themselves say is, looks at lease of a warehouse, grainy photo of work in progress in a warehouse, gets minimal statement of mining maker, independent of said warehouse, that in a single tranche they did do something like an order.

Up to the reader to piece it all together. How about an AWB for 10,000 miners having been delivered to that address?

Shonky blogger who "got it all wrong" in the first interview now entrusted to know what a mining address is and means. "Looks like gazillion BTC coming from Gawminers did occur".

Are you sure or did they just tell you that?

What a fucking waste of time.

[raskul]

it's simple, Josh thinks he's the reincarnation of Jesus Christ and he is going to spread all his mined bitcoins to those who had faith in him.
how decadent.

[suchmoon]

"We visited GAW's mining facilities and can confirm once and for all that they have a lot of machines" - wsj blogger

Did I call it or what?

Fun fact: it would have required 35 PH/s to mine 28k bitcoins in the past 2 months. (and apparently that's just one of the many mining addresses owned by GAW)

Well done, both the prediction and the uber-complicated math that WSJ is apparently incapable of doing.

[T0urist]

[Suspicious link removed]j.com/moneybeat/2014/12/01/bitbeat-under-fire-gaw-miners-ceo-garza-takes-on-his-critics/tab/comments/

so thats his third party trusted review. a wsj blog. the author isnt a known high profile that im aware of. shouldnt the third party reviewer be trusted by the community to be valid?

notice the reviewed an address with bitcoin in it? people asked for an address with mining returns from pools that deposit into said address. the address could just have profits and holdings of customer bought goods.

a lease document of a warehouse. i can get one of these. pictures of an in construction mining centre. is it hard to give the supposed existing one?

its still all bullshit.

[zerocoder]

it's simple, Josh thinks he's the reincarnation of Jesus Christ and he is going to spread all his mined bitcoins to those who had faith in him.
how decadent.

A good explanation what can I say, will wait and see together. But if it is a scam, too early for it to collapse and I am making 35$ in each day from those hashlets who cares. Lets make some more and when time come we can sell and out. (35$ as BTC, not as Paycoin)

By the way cointellect and ltcgear still paying and it is being more than 9 months even for cointellect. If that's a scam, as I sad too early for it to collapse. Josh will pay 20$ for each of those paycoins and make you trust him. After that time, I am sure even you will want to put some money on it

[maildir]

He's not involved, he is his son's father   who is.

I insure you there is no place to hide and escape for that guy, we are talking about 200k+ customers if that turns into a scam it would be the biggest one in the history or at least be a very big and prominent one

You keep repeating that but you do not understand. Garza himself said is is skirting the law.  That is the trick. Lie bullshit, anyway you can, in other words "con"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick

He said it himself, they if they are doing anything wrong the SEC or other or whoever it was in this thread earlier, they are welcome to check if he has crossed the line.

And that is just it, he's using every smoke trick and illusion to stick his hand in your pocket and put it into his. Technically so far he might be right but dancing on the line inevitably must allow for even a single toe to cross it.

Scams and cons and ponzis are not as you keep thinking they are, throwing up your circus tent in the middle of the town square, sell tickets for the big event scheduled for the next day, and fuck off in the middle of night before, leaving everyone hanging to dry.

It is organic. "daddy" may not even be aware of the shit his son's boyfriend is up to right now.

Let us wait and see.

[ellave]

Meanwhile 5 days now & I still cant withdraw my BTC & their support is useless, all they ever say is 'Have you enabled Authy'

[T0urist]

[Suspicious link removed]j.com/moneybeat/2014/12/01/bitbeat-under-fire-gaw-miners-ceo-garza-takes-on-his-critics/tab/comments/

As for those who complain of losing  money, Mr. Garza cites the inherent risks in mining, where profitability is influenced by the price of bitcoin, which fell sharply from over $600 at the start of the summer to just above $300 in October. The critical comments, he said, mostly come from people who were not as adept at GAW’s “skill-based” trading model.

So now you have to have trading skills so you don't lose money. I must have missed that part of the hashlets advertising.

how about this. a bitcoin is a bitcoin whether its 600$ or $100000 doesnt change its minability. increased hashrate of network and difficulty does. josh as apparently got dickloads of peta hashes so his bitcoin stream shouldnt decrease. so again why should the price of bitcoin in usd affect how many bitcoin you get? unless he isnt mining and using fiat in investments to create bitcoin where $$$ a bitcoin does matter. but he said he isnt doing that remember? they keep meticulous records to show sec as all cash has to come from mining. he said it....

he just sets himself up time and time again.

[seedtrue]

I insure you there is no place to hide and escape for that guy, we are talking about 200k+ customers if that turns into a scam it would be the biggest one in the history or at least be a very big and prominent one

I think Josh seriously exaggerates the amount of customers they actually have. The GAW store is only into the 60k orders and this dates back to when they were selling hardware. I remember one point when Josh stated that the majority of sales happen in GAW store not Zencloud.

[zerocoder]

how about this. a bitcoin is a bitcoin whether its 600$ or $100000 doesnt change its minability. increased hashrate of network and difficulty does. josh as apparently got dickloads of peta hashes so his bitcoin stream shouldnt decrease. so again why should the price of bitcoin in usd affect how many bitcoin you get? unless he isnt mining and using fiat in investments to create bitcoin where $$$ a bitcoin does matter. but he said he isnt doing that remember? they keep meticulous records to show sec as all cash has to come from mining. he said it....

he just sets himself up time and time again.

The price of electricity changes (paying electricity as US $) which constitutes %53 of earnings maybe more right now unfortunately