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[OgNasty]

Just curious if there are any thoughts of adding the merge mining NastyFans is running to the pool?

We are merged mining on the pool.  We don't currently have a way to payout the alt coins to NastyFans, but this is something we will look at in the future.  Right now our alt coins are only worth a few Bitcoins total, so we're going to continue amassing them for now, with the help of our pool users.

[pyra-proxy]

Just curious if there are any thoughts of adding the merge mining NastyFans is running to the pool?

We are merged mining on the pool.  We don't currently have a way to payout the alt coins to NastyFans, but this is something we will look at in the future.  Right now our alt coins are only worth a few Bitcoins total, so we're going to continue amassing them for now, with the help of our pool users.

One idea to consider, pick an alt or two that meets/exceeds the amount you are donating to p2pool development, drop p2pool fee to 0% and then donate to developers directly with the BTC proceeds from merged mining.  It's a win-win for all and easily calculable. (also makes the BTC mining portion of the pool even more favorable vs. other pure BTC pools)

[OgNasty]

Just curious if there are any thoughts of adding the merge mining NastyFans is running to the pool?

We are merged mining on the pool.  We don't currently have a way to payout the alt coins to NastyFans, but this is something we will look at in the future.  Right now our alt coins are only worth a few Bitcoins total, so we're going to continue amassing them for now, with the help of our pool users.

One idea to consider, pick an alt or two that meets/exceeds the amount you are donating to p2pool development, drop p2pool fee to 0% and then donate to developers directly with the BTC proceeds from merged mining.  It's a win-win for all and easily calculable. (also makes the BTC mining portion of the pool even more favorable vs. other pure BTC pools)

This would create a small increase in mining payouts (0.9%) for our pool users but would also virtually eliminate alt coin savings.  I like the idea of having a diversified store of value and think it is worth more than the additional mining earnings it would generate.  The end result of your idea would be taking away from NastyFans to give to miners.  NastyFans have to be the first consideration.

[kuzetsa]

The one ounce coins interest me in particular, count me in for a few!

Yeah, I'm interested too.

I've been watching silver <--> bitcoin exchange rate ever since XE started doing tickers for bitcoin:

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=XBT&to=XAG

[OgNasty]

NASTY POOL has surpassed NASTY MINING and reached over 500GH/s!  This is in part to RSM pointing their new BFL ASICs at our P2Pool node.  A big thanks to RSM and our other miners for helping get our pool stress tested before we go live with it on NastyFans.org.  

NASTY POOL Monthly Charts:
http://nastyfans.org:9332/static/graphs.html?Month


If you would like to mine with us prior to NastyFans.org integration, just point your miner to nastyfans.org:9332 and use your BTC address as your username.

[nonnakip]

Just curious if there are any thoughts of adding the merge mining NastyFans is running to the pool?

We are merged mining on the pool.

Sorry to deny you OgNasty. The P2Pool node on nastyfans.org is not merged mining. I would like this. But I pay for this server personally and it does not have resources necessary for merged mining. Merged mining all mergable alt coins requires minimum 2GB physical RAM. nastyfans.org has 1GB physical RAM.

If opportunity funds available I will upgrade the server. 1 year ago I never expected to run a mining pool on it.

[OgNasty]

Just curious if there are any thoughts of adding the merge mining NastyFans is running to the pool?

We are merged mining on the pool.

Sorry to deny you OgNasty. The P2Pool node on nastyfans.org is not merged mining. I would like this. But I pay for this server personally and it does not have resources necessary for merged mining. Merged mining all mergable alt coins requires minimum 2GB physical RAM. nastyfans.org has 1GB physical RAM.

If opportunity funds available I will upgrade the server. 1 year ago I never expected to run a mining pool on it.

We should discuss pricing privately so I can do a cost analysis on this.

[plasticAiredale]

So any thoughts on adding a message board to the nastyfans website? Or some other alternate "official" communication channel in case this forum goes down for an extended period of time again?

[Newar]

So any thoughts on adding a message board to the nastyfans website? Or some other alternate "official" communication channel in case this forum goes down for an extended period of time again?

What would you like to discuss? We got the polls. And nastyfans got our emails (if you put it in the box.)

[plasticAiredale]

The lack of communication options without bitcointalk is currently what I would like to discuss. It would be nice to have a line of communication (both ways) open to OgNasty or nonnakip that is not through this forum. There are 79 pages currently here, and not all of them are about polls. And without this site how would I even suggest something that needs to be voted on?

Its a good point about providing an email, but nothing was emailed when the site went down, correct?  Even, at minimum, just putting the original post (with the 'currently operating', 'equipment ordered', 'current holdings', etc.) on the home page of the nastyfans site would be nice. For now I just bookmarked the image that is updated for the 'currently operating' section, so at least I can check if the miners are up.

I was mainly picturing a 'chatbox' like feature that is at the top of a lot of forums. But maybe nonnakip hasn't the time, nor desire, to implement such a feature. I just felt a little in the dark when the site went down and mainly just needed someone to hold me. 

[OgNasty]

I just felt a little in the dark when the site went down and mainly just needed someone to hold me. 

This is actually very understandable to me. I've considered asking nonnakip to implement some sort of IRC box similar to how BitFunder does it to avoid the need for any moderating. I just feel especially guilty asking nonnakip for anything right now, as I know the pool implementation and the transferring of seats to BTCTC members are currently taking up too much of nonnakip's time. I'm also not sure anyone would actually use it.

I will say that if the forum went down for any significant length of time, I would be reachable through IRC or the Bitcoin Reddit site.

[ErebusBat]

I just felt a little in the dark when the site went down and mainly just needed someone to hold me. 

This is actually very understandable to me. I've considered asking nonnakip to implement some sort of IRC box similar to how BitFunder does it to avoid the need for any moderating. I just feel especially guilty asking nonnakip for anything right now, as I know the pool implementation and the transferring of seats to BTCTC members are currently taking up too much of nonnakip's time. I'm also not sure anyone would actually use it.

I will say that if the forum went down for any significant length of time, I would be reachable through IRC or the Bitcoin Reddit site.

Isn't there an official twitter account too?

[nonnakip]

I just felt a little in the dark when the site went down and mainly just needed someone to hold me. 

This is actually very understandable to me. I've considered asking nonnakip to implement some sort of IRC box similar to how BitFunder does it to avoid the need for any moderating.

I hate IRC boxes. I could implement a message board. I would make it public for the world to read. Posting requires membership status = at least 1 seat owned. I think it should only be used in emergency when bitcointalk.org is down. Otherwise fans must check 2 places for updates and I know fans do not like that.

I just feel especially guilty asking nonnakip for anything right now, as I know the pool implementation and the transferring of seats to BTCTC members are currently taking up too much of nonnakip's time.

Asking is always allowed. Allow me decide if I have time.

[OgNasty]

I just felt a little in the dark when the site went down and mainly just needed someone to hold me.  

This is actually very understandable to me. I've considered asking nonnakip to implement some sort of IRC box similar to how BitFunder does it to avoid the need for any moderating. I just feel especially guilty asking nonnakip for anything right now, as I know the pool implementation and the transferring of seats to BTCTC members are currently taking up too much of nonnakip's time. I'm also not sure anyone would actually use it.

I will say that if the forum went down for any significant length of time, I would be reachable through IRC or the Bitcoin Reddit site.

Isn't there an official twitter account too?

Yes.    https://twitter.com/NastyMining and actually, this is the easiest and fastest way to reach me if the forum goes down.  I am guilty of rarely logging into Reddit and usually only hop on IRC when I need to have a live conversation with someone.

[plasticAiredale]

I will say now that I know I can reach out through reddit or the tweeter to OgNasty I feel comfortable with the status quo. An emergency message board on nastyfans would be great. Maybe only activated if bitcointalk is down, as I agree having one location as the main/only discussion site is ideal.

[OgNasty]

Update on the BitFunder NastyFans Pass-Thru situation:

Status: UNWINDING - You will receive a final BTC payout of +133% your share from the "last" price on NastyFans.org within the next 24 hours.

[nonnakip]

I decide to do massive upgrade for nastyfans.org. The new server has RAID-1 with 24 GB RAM. The new P2Pool node is running with merged mining for NMC/DVC/IXC/I0C.

nastyfans.org still points to old server and will point to old server until 2013-10-30.

Miners can use new server immediately by using 176.28.50.57:9332 as url.

If you are mining I recommend you wait until your next P2Pool payout before switch to new server. Otherwise you lose any work credit since your last payout. This is special true for small miners with long payout interval.

The new server is many times more cost. The mined alt-coins will cover these costs. I will use the mined alt-coins to cover costs. I expect to be many alt-coins left over. I do not decide yet what to do with extra alt-coins. Ideas are welcomed.

P.S. The nastyfans.org website is not on new server yet. Only a new P2Pool node.

[maqifrnswa]

If you are mining I recommend you wait until your next P2Pool payout before switch to new server. Otherwise you lose any work credit since your last payout. This is special true for small miners with long payout interval.

Is this necessarily true? I thought p2pool was smart enough to payout no matter where you are hashing, it's just that the graphs would look inaccurate. Graphs only show the payout for the address that was mined on that specific server, but the payout you receive is for what you earned anywhere in the world on p2pool.

[nonnakip]

If you are mining I recommend you wait until your next P2Pool payout before switch to new server. Otherwise you lose any work credit since your last payout. This is special true for small miners with long payout interval.

Is this necessarily true? I thought p2pool was smart enough to payout no matter where you are hashing, it's just that the graphs would look inaccurate. Graphs only show the payout for the address that was mined on that specific server, but the payout you receive is for what you earned anywhere in the world on p2pool.

I am not a python person. But from my understanding of p2pool/work.py:got_response() the accepted work of miners is stored local until a P2Pool share is reached. Then the P2Pool share is published.

I see now that this is no relation to P2Pool payout. Instead you must manually monitor the payout stats until your payout amount increases. But this is probably is not worth your time. If you are a small miner the payout is almost nothing anyway. If you are a big miner you probably earn new shares often. I guess everyone should switch whenever is convenient.

176.28.50.57:9332

[nonnakip]

If you are mining I recommend you wait until your next P2Pool payout before switch to new server. Otherwise you lose any work credit since your last payout. This is special true for small miners with long payout interval.

Is this necessarily true? I thought p2pool was smart enough to payout no matter where you are hashing, it's just that the graphs would look inaccurate. Graphs only show the payout for the address that was mined on that specific server, but the payout you receive is for what you earned anywhere in the world on p2pool.

After more code studying I see you are correct. The accepted work of miners is only used for graphs. This means there is no reason for miners to continue mining on the old server. No work is lost by switching now.

Sorry for posting misinformation.