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May 27, 2013, 08:36:40 AM
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Well just trying to be constructive. This is some 200 Mhs for 1 BTC and we can have it in a week and start mining. I am just skeptical about BFL's ability to deliver shortly.  They have too many problems with their products.
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May 28, 2013, 02:25:44 AM
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OG, have you looked into doing a group buy for avalon ASIC chips? Buying the ASICminer block erupters is a huge ripoff, but these chips aren't too pricey in a group buy. A user named Steamboat on here has a really nice looking group buy, and also has a company sourced to produce the Klondike 16 open source PCB.

it is only ~ 1.376 BTC for 16 chips for one of the K16 boards. Each board would give 4.5GHash. The cost for the PCB and other necessities is about 100$ each

Link to the group buy is here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192916.0

He is already on his fourth group buy batch for the chips. I bought some for myself, but seeing as I just bought some seats for your fan-group, I thought you might have interest. Tongue

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May 28, 2013, 09:26:56 AM
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Well just trying to be constructive. This is some 200 Mhs for 1 BTC and we can have it in a week and start mining. I am just skeptical about BFL's ability to deliver shortly.  They have too many problems with their products.
This. We will not have BFL ASICs "very soon", we might have it in 2 months or so but not very soon.
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May 28, 2013, 09:32:47 AM
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We will not have BFL ASICs "very soon", we might have it in 2 months or so but not very soon.

I disagree and repeat that we will have more BFL ASICs very soon.

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May 28, 2013, 09:55:49 AM
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Both AVALON and ASICMINER and\or their 'subcontractors'  can beat any offer  BFL makes in the future. Of course they will promise stockpiles of miners and zillions of THash  for few bucks which will be delivered very soon. Is there really no alternatives to increase our mining power ?
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May 28, 2013, 10:33:57 AM
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We will not have BFL ASICs "very soon", we might have it in 2 months or so but not very soon.

I disagree and repeat that we will have more BFL ASICs very soon.

OK, let us see who is right. Smiley
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May 28, 2013, 10:47:42 AM
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Ok even if we got all the ordered ASICs next week I would be skeptical about our mining power per share a month later. What concerns me is our ability to prevent declining mining power per share because of difficulty. It's just my healthy constructive pessimism  Wink  Hopefully I am very wrong
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May 28, 2013, 12:26:22 PM
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OG, have you looked into doing a group buy for avalon ASIC chips? Buying the ASICminer block erupters is a huge ripoff, but these chips aren't too pricey in a group buy. A user named Steamboat on here has a really nice looking group buy, and also has a company sourced to produce the Klondike 16 open source PCB.

it is only ~ 1.376 BTC for 16 chips for one of the K16 boards. Each board would give 4.5GHash. The cost for the PCB and other necessities is about 100$ each

Link to the group buy is here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192916.0

He is already on his fourth group buy batch for the chips. I bought some for myself, but seeing as I just bought some seats for your fan-group, I thought you might have interest. Tongue

If it's only 1.376 BTC plus assembly expenses for 4.5 Ghps that would be a fair price en quite competative. I think it would be a good cause for the current BTC holdings, and with no need to sacrifice BFL orders. I do share TradeFortress's opinion that BFL won't be delivering "very soon", since they have been "very close" for a couple of weeks already, but they keep running in to (unforseen) problems.

Regardless how soon BFL will start shipping, if we want to stay competitative and keep expanding, using the current funds to buy other ASICs seems to me like the best idea. Because ordering from BFL now would put us in the back of line and even with the most optimistic estimates those orders would be shipped in a couple of months at best.

So any ASIC in that pricerange that can provebly be shipped "very soon" seems like a good bet, wether or not this is is sooner than BFL or not.

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May 28, 2013, 02:15:50 PM
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Silly question...
However; How many shares must an individual own to allow voting rights?

Thank you
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May 28, 2013, 02:43:54 PM
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Silly question...
However; How many shares must an individual own to allow voting rights?

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Every share you own counts for one vote Smiley

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May 28, 2013, 07:50:22 PM
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Silly question...
However; How many shares must an individual own to allow voting rights?

Thank you

Every share you own counts for one vote Smiley

Thank you, I though that would be the case.
I only purchased some the other day, however it states I have no voting rights under the poll section.
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May 28, 2013, 08:17:13 PM
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OG, have you looked into doing a group buy for avalon ASIC chips? Buying the ASICminer block erupters is a huge ripoff, but these chips aren't too pricey in a group buy. A user named Steamboat on here has a really nice looking group buy, and also has a company sourced to produce the Klondike 16 open source PCB.

it is only ~ 1.376 BTC for 16 chips for one of the K16 boards. Each board would give 4.5GHash. The cost for the PCB and other necessities is about 100$ each

Link to the group buy is here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192916.0

He is already on his fourth group buy batch for the chips. I bought some for myself, but seeing as I just bought some seats for your fan-group, I thought you might have interest. Tongue

If it's only 1.376 BTC plus assembly expenses for 4.5 Ghps that would be a fair price en quite competative. I think it would be a good cause for the current BTC holdings, and with no need to sacrifice BFL orders. I do share TradeFortress's opinion that BFL won't be delivering "very soon", since they have been "very close" for a couple of weeks already, but they keep running in to (unforseen) problems.

Regardless how soon BFL will start shipping, if we want to stay competitative and keep expanding, using the current funds to buy other ASICs seems to me like the best idea. Because ordering from BFL now would put us in the back of line and even with the most optimistic estimates those orders would be shipped in a couple of months at best.

So any ASIC in that pricerange that can provebly be shipped "very soon" seems like a good bet, wether or not this is is sooner than BFL or not.

Don't those chips use something like 10X the power as BFL's equipment per GH/s?  Last time I checked (admittedly has been a while), I determined that there is a good chance those chips won't even be profitable once BFL ships their backlog and difficulty/price adjusts to the new reality.  I have no interest in buying equipment for this operation that will be useless in less than a year.  There are others chasing hash rates for quick gains, we are in this for the long haul and are in a great position to benefit from the 600GH/s that has already been ordered.  I've also been in contact with BFL and there is a better than average chance we will be sending in some of our singles later this week...  Just be patient a little longer. The ASIC race is just beginning.  Panic buying inferior equipment now will almost certainly prove to be a bad investment once more products enter the market.

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May 28, 2013, 08:33:19 PM
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OG, have you looked into doing a group buy for avalon ASIC chips? Buying the ASICminer block erupters is a huge ripoff, but these chips aren't too pricey in a group buy. A user named Steamboat on here has a really nice looking group buy, and also has a company sourced to produce the Klondike 16 open source PCB.

it is only ~ 1.376 BTC for 16 chips for one of the K16 boards. Each board would give 4.5GHash. The cost for the PCB and other necessities is about 100$ each

Link to the group buy is here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192916.0

He is already on his fourth group buy batch for the chips. I bought some for myself, but seeing as I just bought some seats for your fan-group, I thought you might have interest. Tongue

If it's only 1.376 BTC plus assembly expenses for 4.5 Ghps that would be a fair price en quite competative. I think it would be a good cause for the current BTC holdings, and with no need to sacrifice BFL orders. I do share TradeFortress's opinion that BFL won't be delivering "very soon", since they have been "very close" for a couple of weeks already, but they keep running in to (unforseen) problems.

Regardless how soon BFL will start shipping, if we want to stay competitative and keep expanding, using the current funds to buy other ASICs seems to me like the best idea. Because ordering from BFL now would put us in the back of line and even with the most optimistic estimates those orders would be shipped in a couple of months at best.

So any ASIC in that pricerange that can provebly be shipped "very soon" seems like a good bet, wether or not this is is sooner than BFL or not.

Don't those chips use something like 10X the power as BFL's equipment per GH/s?  Last time I checked (admittedly has been a while), I determined that there is a good chance those chips won't even be profitable once BFL ships their backlog and difficulty/price adjusts to the new reality.  I have no interest in buying equipment for this operation that will be useless in less than a year.  There are others chasing hash rates for quick gains, we are in this for the long haul and are in a great position to benefit from the 600GH/s that has already been ordered.  I've also been in contact with BFL and there is a better than average chance we will be sending in some of our singles later this week...  Just be patient a little longer. The ASIC race is just beginning.  Panic buying inferior equipment now will almost certainly prove to be a bad investment once more products enter the market.

'Panic' buying 'inferior' hashing products when they first came available would have been a great investment as they would have recouped themselves and then some... just saying....

But I am happy that you keep having faith in BFL.... 10 months onward...
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May 28, 2013, 08:41:48 PM
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Regardless how soon BFL will start shipping, if we want to stay competitative and keep expanding, using the current funds to buy other ASICs seems to me like the best idea. Because ordering from BFL now would put us in the back of line and even with the most optimistic estimates those orders would be shipped in a couple of months at best.

Agreed for the most part. The K16 would be reasonable for a limited expansion, all else being relatively equal. 100Gh/s capacity would cost ~40-50 BTC total.

Ordering new BFL units would result in lengthy delays before receipt. Others are overpriced and based on current designs. In order to be competitive rather than struggling to keep up, it would be wise to hold some funds for the next generation of hardware - being first to order <32nm devices could provide a major lead.

In addition, with the amount of current-gen hardware due to enter service, difficulty will increase; as will price. Coin holdings offset device depreciation.

Other than that, BFL is shipping.

So does anyone have tabs on next-gen devices? No Cryonics pie in the sky dreams.
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May 28, 2013, 09:21:46 PM
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'Panic' buying 'inferior' hashing products when they first came available would have been a great investment as they would have recouped themselves and then some... just saying....

But I am happy that you keep having faith in BFL.... 10 months onward...

Ouch!  Now that's just mean.  LOL.   Cheesy

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May 28, 2013, 11:32:43 PM
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I only purchased some the other day, however it states I have no voting rights under the poll section.

The number of votes is assigned when a poll begins. When the next poll begins you will have votes for your seats at that time.

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I only purchased some the other day, however it states I have no voting rights under the poll section.

The number of votes is assigned when a poll begins. When the next poll begins you will have votes for your seats at that time.

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Og, do you know if your jalapeno is eligible for the 2 GH/s upgrade BFL is now offering? Hopefully its just a firmware update and yours is capable of having it applied to it.
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Og, do you know if your jalapeno is eligible for the 2 GH/s upgrade BFL is now offering? Hopefully its just a firmware update and yours is capable of having it applied to it.

I don't know, but I'll keep my eyes and ears open.  If faster firmware becomes available I'll definitely test it out.

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Distribution 238923 is complete. Thank you donators.

Hunger for ASIC is getting big.

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